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Nolder Spam Master

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Imo, there's really no other lynch worth considering. Nolder's flip can potentially break this game WIDE open. If he flips scum, then that will give so much info on others it's insane.

Ah the "for information" argument. You could make the same argument about almost anyone at this point.

Some are better choice than others I'll admit but the fact remains "for information" leaves you with a lot of options so why are you focused on me? And no matter who's lynched we will get information. And when mafia kills someone we get more information. Information is not what we need we need to lynch scum and that's not me.

 

I'll also note that you've gone from crucifying me over voting Ice and hammering Jack to wanting to lynch me for information.

It's no longer about what I've done but what my death "can do". You're just trying to sell it to the town. I don't know if you're scummy because this is something I do as town myself but if you're not scum get your head back in the game and out of the cloud of possibilities. I haven't done anything scummy that several other people haven't also done (voted jack). If you've got a case beyond that I'd like to hear it.

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Nolder Spam Master

Nolder

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so, who other than Lewis would you see as scum?

I'm not sure anymore.

I kind of turned my game upside down when I decided to believe Darthe was town.

If there's scum on multiple teams it could be almost anyone.

I think my next best guess after Mynd would be AJ.

He's coming at me with the same arguments, just echoing Mynd really.

Nolder Spam Master

Nolder

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so, who other than Lewis would you see as scum?

I'm not sure anymore.

I kind of turned my game upside down when I decided to believe Darthe was town.

If there's scum on multiple teams it could be almost anyone.

I think my next best guess after Mynd would be AJ.

He's coming at me with the same arguments, just echoing Mynd really.

hazelkrs1 Spam Master

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Imo, there's really no other lynch worth considering. Nolder's flip can potentially break this game WIDE open. If he flips scum, then that will give so much info on others it's insane.

Ah the "for information" argument. You could make the same argument about almost anyone at this point.

Some are better choice than others I'll admit but the fact remains "for information" leaves you with a lot of options so why are you focused on me? And no matter who's lynched we will get information. And when mafia kills someone we get more information. Information is not what we need we need to lynch scum and that's not me.

 

I'll also note that you've gone from crucifying me over voting Ice and hammering Jack to wanting to lynch me for information.

It's no longer about what I've done but what my death "can do". You're just trying to sell it to the town. I don't know if you're scummy because this is something I do as town myself but if you're not scum get your head back in the game and out of the cloud of possibilities. I haven't done anything scummy that several other people haven't also done (voted jack). If you've got a case beyond that I'd like to hear it.

 

 

:laugh:

 

Yup, you're def flipping scum. I can feel it.

 

Way to use the most common scum tactic ever of trying to make me look like the only reason I'm voting you is cause info lynch. I have stated several times that I think you're scummy, and why. There was a lot of other circumstances to consider however, so yes, I considered which lynch would give the most info.

 

Your lynch gives the most info by far.

 

This doesn't mean you're an info lynch and that's it. I think there's a VERY good chance of you flipping scum at this point. The point is, this way we not only lynch someone who has a considerable amount of evidence against them, but we also can get some valuable information on everyone else.

 

Oh and I like how you pretty much keep refraining from mentioning Lewis or Mynd or your connection to him. You sly dog

 

:wink:

Nolder Spam Master

Nolder

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ok. Well, what made you decide Darthe is town, and can you be certain that he is?

 

If Darthe turns up scum, who would be his buddies?

Of course I can't be certain.

You should be wary of anyone in mafia who seems to know to much or who sells you garbage about being 100% sure about anything.

 

As for what made me decide Darthe was town.

Well it was a mixture of his and Mynds actions.

Mynd was calling Darthe my scummate but was refusing to vote him or me and Darthe meanwhile was playing it cool and trying to reason with both of us. It was at that time that I figured if these guys were both scum together like I originally thought they're putting on the act of a lifetime. Their behavior just didn't match that idea and while I could have shifted my focus to the greeks there was still the problem of Mynd being totally inconsistent between his words and actions. I feel like I'm over explaining this. Do you understand what I'm saying?

Nolder Spam Master

Nolder

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Way to use the most common scum tactic ever of trying to make me look like the only reason I'm voting you is cause info lynch.

Lol since when do scum do this?

The claim can only be made if the attacker is using info as a reason.

 

I have stated several times that I think you're scummy,

You can state it several more times, wont make it true.

 

and why.

Go over it again would you?

I don't recall you saying anything besides harping on my votes on Ice or Jack.

Did you have anything else or was that it?

 

Oh and I like how you pretty much keep refraining from mentioning Lewis or Mynd or your connection to him. You sly dog

I don't even know what you're talking about here.

What connection?

Thane Vakarian Grand Master

Thane Vakarian

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ok. Well, what made you decide Darthe is town, and can you be certain that he is?

 

If Darthe turns up scum, who would be his buddies?

Of course I can't be certain.

You should be wary of anyone in mafia who seems to know to much or who sells you garbage about being 100% sure about anything.

 

As for what made me decide Darthe was town.

Well it was a mixture of his and Mynds actions.

Mynd was calling Darthe my scummate but was refusing to vote him or me and Darthe meanwhile was playing it cool and trying to reason with both of us. It was at that time that I figured if these guys were both scum together like I originally thought they're putting on the act of a lifetime. Their behavior just didn't match that idea and while I could have shifted my focus to the greeks there was still the problem of Mynd being totally inconsistent between his words and actions. I feel like I'm over explaining this. Do you understand what I'm saying?

 

Yes, i do understand what you are saying, and Mynd is solid second on my not-town-list.

 

@dice: any more information from you besides questioning Dawn's action, like, who are your scumreads?

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@ Dawn: any info on why voting Lenlo?

I think he is scum. Everything about his play has seemed scummy to me. 

 

Just wondering, do we win this game based on team or town vs. scum? If it's based on team, I'll unvote Lenlo.

Darthe Spam Master

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@ Dawn: any info on why voting Lenlo?

I think he is scum. Everything about his play has seemed scummy to me. 

 

Just wondering, do we win this game based on team or town vs. scum? If it's based on team, I'll unvote Lenlo.

 

TOWN VS SCUM.  How do you think the other could possibly work?

Darthe Spam Master

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ok. Well, what made you decide Darthe is town, and can you be certain that he is?

 

If Darthe turns up scum, who would be his buddies?

 

It may have a bit to do with me playing the towniest game of this entire thread.  You know, the thing that gets people to townread you?  

 

I like your style but we gotta work on those accusatory questions a bit if you don't want to get snipped at.  All it ever does is create bias and contention.

 

 

 

Imo, there's really no other lynch worth considering. Nolder's flip can potentially break this game WIDE open. If he flips scum, then that will give so much info on others it's insane.

Ah the "for information" argument. You could make the same argument about almost anyone at this point.

Some are better choice than others I'll admit but the fact remains "for information" leaves you with a lot of options so why are you focused on me? And no matter who's lynched we will get information. And when mafia kills someone we get more information. Information is not what we need we need to lynch scum and that's not me.

 

I'll also note that you've gone from crucifying me over voting Ice and hammering Jack to wanting to lynch me for information.

It's no longer about what I've done but what my death "can do". You're just trying to sell it to the town. I don't know if you're scummy because this is something I do as town myself but if you're not scum get your head back in the game and out of the cloud of possibilities. I haven't done anything scummy that several other people haven't also done (voted jack). If you've got a case beyond that I'd like to hear it.

 

 

:laugh:

 

Yup, you're def flipping scum. I can feel it.

 

 

I can't at all, fill me in.  

 

So, I've decided to ##Vote Nolder.

 

Imo, there's really no other lynch worth considering. Nolder's flip can potentially break this game WIDE open. If he flips scum, then that will give so much info on others it's insane. To start off with, I'd pretty much be ready to put AJ in my LOCK CLEAR category. He's pointed out a lot of the same things I have seen regarding Nol, and when AJ is town we seem to mindmeld a lot, and has consistently applied pressure to Nol, doesn't look even close to a bus move. Nol flipping scum would also give more evidence for Lewis/Mynd being scum imo, since he talks over and over about how scummy Nol is, yet isn't voting Nol and is the SOLE vote on Dice. Yikes. A scumflip on Nol and Mynd would pretty much make Dice LOCK CLEAR as well, since I don't see Mynd as scum trying to sacrifice TWO teammates to make himself look better.

 

If Nol flips town, then Darthe is LOCK CLEAR, since it would make no sense at all for Darthe to hard defend a townie in these circumstances. Mynd would still look bad, mebbe even worse if Dice was town in fact. A townflip on Nol would also pretty much CONFIRM that the other partner in their QT was scum, since they apparently haven't given the okay for Nol to reveal themselves on thread, and if they let Nol get lynched without trying to defend them it would make them look AWFUL. This is sort of assuming some kind of uniform distribution of scum, but even if it's random imo it would still look terrible that they didn't want to be outed on thread.

 

It's not often that someone's flip can give this much info. This is who we're lynching today.

 

Darthe, I too see Lewis as really dirty looking, and if he's now trying to placate you after earlier talking about you "diarrheaing" across the thread, I find that even more incriminating. However, look at how much Mynd is posturing regarding the Nolder lynch. Doesn't it fit scum distancing from a teammate to a T? Even if Nol flips town, Lewis will still have stuff to answer for, only we'll have that much more info on everyone else. Don't see any big drawbacks here.

I'm amazed that Des would vote Nol.  @Tress, I hope you shoot mynd if he makes it to night.

 

I have two reasons for picking Mynd over Nol.  One is objective and one is subjective.  

 

Before I get to them, let me state that the "this person provides more information" route is abolute bullshanks and always has been.  Nol provides: assurity on the flip of his unknown teammate (to anyone but the scum team most likely) who we can figure out anyways over the next day so that is moot and even if it wasn't it isn't worth the life of a potential townie, provides a potential town-read *FOR YOU* on AJ that we would also get if mynd flipped scum which would also go a long way towards validating the 1 per QT theory and help with solving the game based on the likely mostly truthful statements he was pushing for cred before he started to WIFOM the game.  Those are three bigger points than anything mentioned above.  

 
Here is what is unsettling to me though.  Des says (which I bolded above) "Mynd would still look bad, mebbee even worse if Dice was town in fact."

This one should be easy enouugh that you all get it and can agree on.  Dice is alive.  We don't know Dices alignment and Des is saying that Mynd def. needs to go... right after Nol.  This little statement, I am fairly confident, is a mistake on his part.  This tells me directly that Des doesn't want to lynch Mynd next, he wants to take down Dice.  

 
Considering that Mynd has been pushing DICE and NOL all day this very clearly says to me that those two have the same agenda.  
 
Once we make it to night with Nol dead I will be cleared as town, just like Des said, by the Nol flip.  However I also am the obvious NK beyond all regards.  This gains the town nothing and as soon as Nol and I are gone you're all going to get sweeped because you're frankly not going to play well enough or think critically enough to outsmart one of both of them.  Not after 72 hours of them convincing you that you can get to them tomorrow after trying ____.  
 
Nol is town and mynd is mafia: 
 
Objectively His play has been perfectly consistent through the entire thread and he has pushed unpopular angles simply because they fit his beliefs about the game and about the players in it.  Any quick analysis of Nol can tell you that he sincerely believes what he is saying and that he has been going from that, yet he has remained malleable enough to recognize when he was wrong and adjust accordingly.  Better still, he becomes frustrated when the players gang up on him and reacts in such a manner instead of becoming angry, spewing WIFOM, attempting to redirect or dropping his reads.  In essence his play is exactly town.  Not perfectly logical, not the strongest in the game, not entirely right.  However, it is still town. Mynd has displayed each and every single one of these.  Unless you lot forgot how to towntell or scumread (which I doubt of the four on his train) you're simply playing to whatever confirms your theory of events and you're getting waylaid by Mynd and your QT partners pushing you in a different direction.
Darthe Spam Master

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@Des, let's say that Nol flips scum.  What does that say about the alignment of AJ or myself?  

 

 

HOLY HELL HOW DID I MISS THIS?

Des is arguing that Nol will flip town and that his doing so validates the half dozen or so things Des suspects.  He hedges each and every single one of those, saying it will mean that ___ is likely or etc.  Not only does that allow wriggle room for him but it also means the lynch is irellivent.  However, here is what I missed.

 

This assumes beforehand that Nol is town.  He is lynching him to psuedo-confirm something that he already assumes.  The lynch is worthless to him as evidenced in his own post.  Even more basic than that... why would you want to lynch a townie?

Darthe Spam Master

Darthe

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Wow, Des your tone has really really improved.  You had me fooled and would have had I not really been playing the hell out of this game.

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Finally caught up...by massively skimming the last 10 pages.

 

No way on earth the setup is 1-1-1-1.  That theory is stupid.  My money is on the mods using Random.org to assign, you know, like what happens in every BASIC game there is.  So we can't trust our QT's but we don't have to assume 1 scum in each.

 

Des has gone from mixed feelings to LockScum for me.  Everyone go back and read a few of his posts, especially #601.  Massive hedging.

Darthe looks town.  Thoroughly engaged and not letting ish slide.

Lewis is LockScum.  Everything he posts reads dripping with pondscum to me.  Outright primordial.

AJ is looking scum to me. 

Tress is obvtown.  Sucks that the QT influenced the kill when what was on thread would have been enough to keep Wombat alive.

Lenlo is still SCUM.  How is he not the leading train?

Thane is coming off as town newbie trying hard.

Nolder is being a curmudgeon which makes me feel good about him actually.  Well, better than the Lewis/Des/Len/AJ scum team.

 

If I had two votes I'd vote both Lenlo and Lewis.

 

##vote Lewis

 

I'd prefer a Lenlo lynch but I'd rather use my vote to push Lewis' train than allow for people to lazily jump on the Nol train with so little time left.

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