[Basic] GODZILLA MAFIA WINS

[Tyler Glembo]

@TG - Welcome back to sobriety lol

 

Why Amega?

 

My first real vote is always based on how bad somebody's first post is.  Player's was the worst, but since he/she is new I voted Amega.

 

lolz at tg..

 

 yes i know and thats what i was trying to explain to des. I feel like if he actually had you as scum in his sights he would find any thing real or fabricated to make his allegations aka WIM. Instead he just accuses me of defending you.There for i feel like he is showing WIL. i should have explained that more thoroughly.

 

tg you do realize player is new right... i no that doesnt excuse him later on but his "setup" talk seemed harmless enough

 

I do, which is why I'm not voting him.  And it's also why I called him out for it so that he learns.

 

Watch this: 

 

Trying to hard.

 

 

Lol hold it right there cowboy. I was actually expecting you to do a sudden 180 on me if you were town and explain how it was just a trap and all that jazz. You however have made it very clear with this post that your scum read on me, and your pushes for my lynch based on absolutely nothing, were actually sincere. This leads me to believe that you are most definitely scum. You continue on saying that your scum read on me was actually a meta read and that I failed your reaction test. You are trying to validate past reads by using present information which is scummy. I want to hear from you what that meta read and reaction test was and how I failed it.

 

 

 

Bolded for reference and to see response from Des.

 

 

Either you're intentionally twisting my words or you don't see the whole picture but either way I still find it suspicious that you would be happy to lynch Des, Jack, or Ice and yet the only one of the three in your rallying call is Jack. Especially while you're voting elsewhere. Your explanation didn't jive with your posts either.

 

Your "lynch him" was definitely a command and evn if you didn't mean it in your heart it sure appeared that way on-thread. You shouldn't make imperative statements if you don't mean them, especially if it's not obvious you don't. That statement also doesn't constitute bullying in my book, so throwing that in there makes it seem like you're trying to justify it with an emotion-producing response (since no one likes bullies). Lastly, you had already expressed your dislike of Jack's play and your willingness to lynch him earlier in your post, so it comes back to why you made that statement and why only Jack?

 

I can't help it that you don't like the direction I've chosen but I think you're grasping now and I don't believe I'll be taking my vote off you anytime soon.

 

 

Good vibes from Krak.  Toss him in the town pile

[Tyler Glembo]

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10) The town win condition is not posted in their role PM's.  It is: You win when all mafia are eliminated.

 

Since nobody else has commented on it yet, anybody else notice this? 

[Krakalakachkn]

I seent it.

 

I was going to wait until he posted another scene before commenting on it.

[michellem]

Just because they're flavour only, doesn't mean he can't hide fun things in them. Doesn't mean they're gamerelated fun things.

[Tyler Glembo]

I seent it.

 

I was going to wait until he posted another scene before commenting on it.

 

Just because they're flavour only, doesn't mean he can't hide fun things in them. Doesn't mean they're gamerelated fun things.

 

Or they are game related but won't help us in any way.  E.g. scene 1 hints at mecha with the flash of metal but that is entirely unhelpful.

[Andrej]

 

I seent it.

 

I was going to wait until he posted another scene before commenting on it.

 

Just because they're flavour only, doesn't mean he can't hide fun things in them. Doesn't mean they're gamerelated fun things.

 

Or they are game related but won't help us in any way.  E.g. scene 1 hints at mecha with the flash of metal but that is entirely unhelpful.

 

I spotted that too and agree. Not worth much speculation at this point until we have a few more scenes to look at IMO.

[Tyler Glembo]

Just posting the little I have right now    : _CLOUD seemed rather fidgety towards Despo's read on him. His reaction makes no sense to me. If it were me in his position, I wouldn't have sweated it. Wouldn't have even been too serious on trying to clear myself/be overly concerned about Despo since it is just the first day with just two/three pages. Doesn't seem Town like at all to me. However seems weird for scum to act that way on the first day, unless he has a special role, like a "Bomb" or something and is trying to get lynched? I am not sure if that makes any sense though. Scum Lean for me. 

 

I think Despo is alright. He seems very focused on scumhunting, which is a good Town sign. 

 

Thoughts on anyone else?  What do you think of Jack_D getting pushed a bit?  What do you think of Mish's miller claim?  Any thought on Amega?  etc.

[Andrej]

@Krak - I don't understand how you went from a town read on Cloud to suddenly voting him at the realization that he wasn't voting one of his scumreads. The posts that you were using against him with his 'rallying cry' are the same ones that gave you the original town read, apparently. Weird flip flop IMO, even after you explained.

 

@Player - What about Despo's posts do you like? Most of his reads are based solely on meta, which you being a new player on this site, wouldn't know or recognize. So how is it that you are able to agree or find them strong?

[Andrej]

 

Vote Lenlo.

 

I blaaaaaame... Wombat. Definitly.

Almost everything you say is suspicious

Almost eh? What did I miss, cause apparently I slacking on the job.

 

 

follow the leader much jack...doesnt seem like your style.. and you should know im acting very town right now ;) 

 

 

##vote jack :)

 

Im sorry but this? The bold? Massive ping joke or not.

 

##Vote Amega

 

Could you expound on this a bit?

[Andrej]

 

I like where my vote is currently. Especially after the ^ above post. Still not following his 'case' on Leno. What does it matter if he says he doesn't like using meta and then uses it to point out something that stands out to him? How is that a scumtell? Stretch McStretcherson. Not digging the 'could lynch these peeps too' thing without giving any reason to back it. Looks like you're just trying to sheep Despo after he townread you.

 

Len's rebuttal and return to jokes is a bit underwhelming.

 

Dice is basically saying Cloud is either town or scum, bravo.

 

I would like to hear from more of the newer players, get them involved and talking. Player/IceKnight, let's hear your thoughts.

 

TG looked pretty good from his OP imo.

 

I actually agree with Des that too many people aren't using their votes. We'll be nearing the 36 hour mark until DL soon and there doesn't seem to be a legitimate lynch wagon in sight, not a very good start.

You like your vote on me but you don't like the responses Lenlo gave after my questioning lolz

 

Yeah?

What point are you making here?

 

I didn't say I found Len's responses scummy or anything like that, just that they wasn't much UMPH to them I guess. Kind of hoped he'd come back with a little more after being called scum and voted for something I view as pretty inconsequential.

[Andrej]

I think we're getting close to the 24 hour mark to DL.

 

Can we get a VC @ Darthe?

[Tyler Glembo]

J-TAG!

 

Aka AJ is standing atop the town pile

[hazelkrs1]

I'm not sure how others are townreading AJ. Imo his fos's are extremely opportunistic and he's oversimplifying things and coming close to misrepping. Also doesn't seen to be actually scumhunting as much as he is nudging other stuff along.

 

Cloud, here's how you failed the reaction test: town!Cloud would have seen my initial push as just me trying to start games the way I usually do- semi-randomly push in different directions to start getting reactions and building interaction quickly. I think you most likely would have just let it roll off and continue trying to look for stuff elsewhere. Instead, I think you got jumpy because I have fingered you as scum so many times in the past so you did a quick OMGUS that didn't really make sense. After all, the entire crux of your "case" against me is that I am justifying my vote after the fact, and then quickly dismissing the fact that I often or even always start off games with reaction tests like this. You even try undermining me by trying to say "Oh, he'll prob come back and say he acted scummy as a reaction test, but I don't buy it" but I NEVER ACTED SCUMMY. I trumped up a vote on you to see how you'd react yes, but there's nothing scummy at all about that.

 

Anyways, I haven't seen anything to change my mind about Cloud so far. He isn't looking at the game like a townie should, weighing things out to see if someone might be town or scum. He's just going through the motions imo, carrying out interactions like that's all he cares about.

 

Gonna go back through and look for more specific stuff to respond to in a moment.

[hazelkrs1]

Little mini-wot:

 

 

 

Lol Krak.

##vote Jack for over explaining his vote.

 

Cloud votes Jack... for overexplaining his vote. Even tho Jack ALWAYS votes #11. This was the first ping for me.

 

Morning.

 

I'm a miller.

 

 

Dammit :/

 

And this was the second. Cloud's immediate reaction to Mish's Miller claim was very wolfy. Seemed to buy it immediately, and he seems bummed out....

 

Why?

 

A townie should be happy that a negative utility role is claiming like this if they believe the claim, that way it prevents a cop from viewing a miller and leading town to a mislynch. Moreover revealing to be a Miller immediately lowers the wifom and distraction of a Miller claim later on.

 

So this looks like scum bummed out that they won't be able to use the Miller as a smokescreen for themselves, and also possibly like Cloud trying to look like town but failing

 

So I found enough to place my first vote, not much but there WAS still stuff there. I don't always need to explain my vote instantly, I'm too top tier for that.

 

How is Krak lock clear and what is your opinion about Dice?

 

 

This is after I vote Cloud, check out his reaction to it. Could be said to be buddying me by asking about Dice, or even possibly trying to distract by talking about someone else.

 

Cloud says he had a town read on Dice before this, but he doesn't say so. Asks my opinion, I give it readily. Cloud agrees with it. Yet he never brings up how this affects his later scumread on me- if I instantly agreed with him on someone instead of leaving Dice for an easy mislynch, I don't think town!Cloud continues thinking I'm scum.

 

I'm trying to avoid using the word why in mafia games :P I'm interested in hearing what makes you convinced that I'm scum. I agree with you about Dice btw.

 

See? "I agree with you about Dice btw" SCREAMS buddy attempt to me. If you think someone is scum, you don't think they have legitimate reads. I think Cloud fumbled his instant reaction to me and later tries to turn it into an OMGUS.

 

Is miller a basic role? Huh.

 

This is part of why Lenlo is LOCK CLEAR. Doesn't instantly buy the claim, seems like he's trying to consider how likely it is to be in the setup. Town points for him.

 

I thought you don't like to use meta. Hmmmmm

Also mish's claim is convenient. I'm reserved on it for now. That's how I'd play it so I'm out on the subject.

##unvote and vote Lenlo

 

 

To me this looked like a legitimate read from Jack. Doesn't look trumped up, looks like Jack actually thinking he found something. And for all I know, he could have. For now tho I have Jack and Lenlo as town/town.

 

Despo has either lost his mind or is scum and I'm betting it's the latter. His refusal to explain his town read on Krak and his scum read on me, and not to mention his continuing pushes for my lynch which appear to be completly baseless, is scummy as hell.

 

 

##Unvote Jack. Vote Despo.

 

 

Everyone knows that in each game Jack plays in he votes for the player who holds the eleventh slot so why would he all of a sudden now feel the need to justify his vote to Krak? I'm not saying that I think he is scum, but next to Despo's opening his was the one which has stuck out the most to me.

 

I'm convinced that Mish is speaking the truth because early game gambits aren't her thing, but even if you doubt her the fact that she claimed Miller at the start of the game means that she is fine with getting lynched so we should just focus on scumhunting and not let the thread get derailed with a discussion about the usage of the Miller role.

 

First part against me is terrible. Says my pushing for his lynch is completely baseless, which is kind of a stupid thing to point out on page 3 of a game. Almost everything is going to be somewhat baseless.

 

I will say tho that I was gonna chop out the rest of this quote (I did chop out Lenlo's quote to trim the # of quotes), but after reading it again it does seem to contain a glimmer of town!Cloud in it. Could be him doing a better job of faking it tho.

 

You definitely aren't looking too good with him pushing you atm. Why do you think he's pushing you?

 

I took Jack's OP for what apparently he meant it to be, a joke. The #11 thing is sort of cliche but the stuff afterwards read as sarcasm to me.

 

Bolded: I agree on the part about showing she isn't afraid of being lynched. There is no guarantee that we wouldn't have strung her up right away, so definitely don't see scum taking that risk. Thought this was a pretty villagery statement.

 

Didn't like this post at all. Nudge's the train on Cloud a bit at first, only to buddy up to Cloud a bit at the end.

 

The "Why do you think he's pushing you?" comment is making me think it's possible AJ and Cloud could be scum/scum. Especially considering the way AJ has seemingly backtracked off his nudge on Cloud. Would still find AJ somewhat scummy even if Cloud was town however.

 

 

"Interested in hearing what makes you convinced that I'm scum"

 

is a freaking wolf claim from Cloud. Bahahaha so easy!

 

##Lynch Cloud

 

So you're metagaming to justify your vote after the fact?

 

 

This was a post that was bordering on misrepping. I throw out votes at the start of games all the time, and then either change my vote again or leave it if I feel there might be something there.

 

AJ tries using buzzword phrasing to make it look like what I did was scummy, when it wasn't and isn't. Meta is a part of everyone mafia game, but more importantly I wasn't heavily relying on meta either in my push on Cloud.

 

Des if you want to convience me on your whole cloud affair i dare say you try harder. Ive seen you bury people with evidence as scum and right now you're up to bat with a meme and a sentence. 

 

This hard defense of Cloud makes no sense. There were ~3 pages in the game at this point, expecting me to have a mountain of evidence against Cloud already is complete bullcrap.

 

 

Why do you think he's pushing you?

He is either scum or is acting scummy on purpose to kickstart the game and force reactions from the other players, and it’s difficult for me to tell the difference right now because he knows his own meta too well. I find this kind of play really annoying because it's too easy to claim that it was just a trap.

 

So you're metagaming to justify your vote after the fact?

What is your opinion about Despo? You first stated that I didn’t look good and now you are all of a sudden defending me. I don't like how you are playing both sides.

 

 

First comment: See I never "acted scummy" in the first place so yeah, fail. You're just throwing out the word "scummy" a bunch to try and support your case, which is incredibly wolfy. I voted you, concealed my reasoning, and you didn't respond well to my vote. There is nothing scummy there in my actions.

 

Second comment: This is where I could maybe possibly see Cloud as town, for noticing that AJ is trying to play both sides of the fence.

 

yea best buds. if you wanna use the 3 pages so will i. You dont have anything to go on in 3 pages and you really think he's scum you would be pushing way harder. 

 

Again, the hard defense here makes no sense. "You don't have anything to go on in 3 pages" is a freaking joke, and considering how much had happened so far and the fact that I'm off atm, I think I've been pushing at Cloud at a completely reasonable level for what stage the game is in.

 

Des lock clears someone for defending him blantanly but me calling him out for having WIL (aka defending) gets an fos.  Hypocrite.

 

LOL. Lenlo isn't LOCK CLEAR for defending me, way to put words in my mouth there.

 

And saying I have WIL this game even tho so far I'm one of the top contributors is

 

 

1. No, I didn't say that. I actually pointed out something a few posts back where I found one of your statements to be pretty villagery. I don't put a lot of value in 'reaction tests' and 'over-reactionary' stuff because frankly I think GOOD scum will be able to compose themselves better. You do look a bit jumpy but the quick OMGUS indicates IMO that you are likely innocent.

 

2. The defense is only through extension because you are the one in question by the person I am questioning. My intent is to get Des to clarify, not to help you. No offense lol. To me it looks like he pulled his 'scumread' on you out of a hat and then later is using meta reasons to justify it, which I why I asked for clarification since as you pointed out he never really explained his view on you in the first place. My opinion on Des is that he is firmly null to me until something drastic happens. We just finished a game where I was given a bad reminder of how I can be 100% sure he is scum and STILL be wrong, so yeah. I think he is playing Stretch Armstrong with this case on you but him reaching is more or less a null tell IMO.

 

 

(this is a response to Cloud btw, trimmed out the quotes)

 

Don't like how AJ backtracks here, and how he also lays the foundation for being so "wrong" about me.

 

Good news everyone. Mish, Lenlo, Amega and AJ are all LOCK CLEAR.

 

Thinking scum!Cloud could be trying to slip a scumbuddy into the LOCK CLEAR names here. Obv since I have Mish and Lenlo as town atm, I would say it's one, or both, of AJ and Amega.

 

##vote Jack

 

Is it just me or do most people here feel like were about to enter a vortex lolz

 

Get the snipe-post vibe from this.

 

@Jack - You didn't answer my question for you earlier in regards to your vote on Leno.

 

Please do.

 

AJ ditches the me/Cloud situation in favor of voting Jack for a fluff post. Do not like.

 

In fact, this post and vote looks a lot more like a snipe post than the one he quotes.

 

I like where my vote is currently. Especially after the ^ above post. Still not following his 'case' on Leno. What does it matter if he says he doesn't like using meta and then uses it to point out something that stands out to him? How is that a scumtell? Stretch McStretcherson. Not digging the 'could lynch these peeps too' thing without giving any reason to back it. Looks like you're just trying to sheep Despo after he townread you.

 

Len's rebuttal and return to jokes is a bit underwhelming.

 

Dice is basically saying Cloud is either town or scum, bravo.

 

I would like to hear from more of the newer players, get them involved and talking. Player/IceKnight, let's hear your thoughts.

 

TG looked pretty good from his OP imo.

 

I actually agree with Des that too many people aren't using their votes. We'll be nearing the 36 hour mark until DL soon and there doesn't seem to be a legitimate lynch wagon in sight, not a very good start.

 

This whole post is turrible.

 

If Jack was trying to sheep me, why wouldn't he vote Cloud along with me, or agree with any of my scumreads? Instead he votes for someone I put in the LOCK CLEAR crowd. Yet he's sheeping me? Puhlease.

 

Then, even tho AJ says he likes his vote on Jack, he says Lenlo's rebuttal is underwhelming. Playing both sides yet again.

 

Dice has a penchant for making posts that don't really say much. Opportunistic fos is opportunistic.

 

Asks for more posts from newer players. I don't like this much personally. Newer players are harder to read, and easier to make look bad if they are town, so this could be an attempt to derail better discussion. I want everyone to be vocal, not specifically newer players.

 

TG looked kinda lazy in his OP and first posts imo.

 

Agrees with me even after fos'ing me not long before this post. Blech.

 

Lol Despo, although I don't think this topic is very important, I understand the premise.

 

I'm saying the PHRASE is stupid because at the core it is inaccurate. A slot can't have a greater probability than what is already predetermined (3:1 most commonly). I understand the way you are applying it though.

 

You could just say I'm leaning town/scum on a player for the same (and more statistically accurate) purpose.

 

Nope, you still don't understand how I'm using it then. I'm not saying the slot itself has a greater probability than what is already determined, that's straight up silly. Obv my read is on the player IN the slot.

 

The >rand thing has NOTHING to do with being statistically accurate, you're just going off the deep end there. If I wanna use cute phrases or wording to get across my feelings about players, it's my prerogative.

 

Nothing about this is correct.. like i actually laughed out loud when i read it... i dont believe i have a scumtell yet and the hydra was my first mafia experience besides when i was 17. 

me being scathing happens in every game including the hydra where i came into a pretty much doomed situation. 

 

all im seeing is poor attempts at fake scum hunting. and im a little weary you got jack as town all of a sudden.... 

 

question...was jack ever scum in those last 4 games...if not. why is he "lock clear" now? 

 

More condescending sarcastic scathing tone from Amega. I'd be up for lynching him solely for his rude disposition this game to be honest.

 

If you have to resort to personal attacks to try and win your arguments in mafia, you're doing it wrong.

 

Amega, if you come back with another condescending and insulting tone like this, I'm likely to disregard the rest of your posts this game and just make it my mission to silence you as quickly as possible. Consider this advance notice.

 

mish... beside the whole you could have been coached idea... you are probably the closes to being CT. whats your opinions?

 

 

This post is gross. Brings up the wifom on Mish again before saying she's close to confirmed town... then tries to buddy her.

 

About as scummy as it gets folks.

 

Jack has resulted to whyme-fryme and trying to direct the attention away from himself and onto Lenlo. Lynch him.

 

Uh.... no he hasn't. Horrible misrep here. Blech.

 

And did you forget you were supposed to be cheerleading my lynch and not his?

 

 

I explained in my posts why I think that both Despo and Jack are scum. If I had two votes I would have voted both of them, but alas. The "lynch him" part wasn't a command and shouldn't be mistaken for one; I'm not the kind of player who bullies people into voting the ones he thinks is scum. I chose to use those words to convey my dislike about Jack's play in this game and to explain that I would like to see him become a lynch target.

 

Nope, the "Lynch him" was taken exactly as it was meant to be taken- you trying to cheerlead Jack's lynch.

 

And your "I would like to see him become a lynch target" is a transparent attempt to set up lynches.

 

Obviscum.

 

(chopped out Darthe's rules and the emphasized points about them being flavor/possibly containing fun things)

 

Since nobody else has commented on it yet, anybody else notice this? 

 

 

Wasn't impressed by TG's earlier posts, and this here looks like it could be an attempt to derail town here. Why bring this up now, when we haven't even really seen any scenes yet which could or could not have hidden clues or something?

 

Day 1 isn't even close to the time this post should have come out. FOS.

 

 

Just posting the little I have right now    : _CLOUD seemed rather fidgety towards Despo's read on him. His reaction makes no sense to me. If it were me in his position, I wouldn't have sweated it. Wouldn't have even been too serious on trying to clear myself/be overly concerned about Despo since it is just the first day with just two/three pages. Doesn't seem Town like at all to me. However seems weird for scum to act that way on the first day, unless he has a special role, like a "Bomb" or something and is trying to get lynched? I am not sure if that makes any sense though. Scum Lean for me. 

 

I think Despo is alright. He seems very focused on scumhunting, which is a good Town sign. 

 

Thoughts on anyone else?  What do you think of Jack_D getting pushed a bit?  What do you think of Mish's miller claim?  Any thought on Amega?  etc.

 

 

And then this one didn't seem great either. Could have been collusion on TG and AJ's parts as well. AJ asks for new players to chime in, and TG goes for the easy pickings in trying to make newer player look bad.

 

 

TL,DR: Was considering a possible change of my vote to Amega mebbe until I saw Cloud forget that he was supposed to be cheerleading my lynch and not Jack's. This is a perfect indicator of what I just mentioned- Cloud is more concerned with trying to keep the appearance of being active and having meaningful interactions with others but isn't interested in actual scumhunting.

 

AJ misrepping and playing both sides of the fence in multiple circumstances is extremely disconcerting. I def don't like how he first nudged the Cloud thing, got involved in the stuff between Cloud and I for a sec, just to then all of a sudden throw a vote on Jack. Looked totally fake to me.

 

Amega is just looking bad in general. Thinking he's either white knighting Cloud as town or hard defending a scummate. Has awful defensive and rude tone in his posts, and is more concerned with defending than trying to find scum. Turrible.

 

TG is meh to me so far. Seeing slight pings on him.

 

Don't have any moar to add to the LOCK CLEAR crowd yet unfortunately. Still Krak, Mish, Jack, Lenlo and.... me I guess. Will be on the lookout for others.

[Darthe]

Official Vote Count:

Jack (2/7): AJ, Amega

Des (1/7): Cloud

Cloud (3/7): Des, Krak, Player

Amega (3/7): TG, Jack, Len

Dice (1/7): Mish

 

 

 

Not Voting (2/12):

Dice, Ice

 

Countdown link (29 hours)

[Sedai]

Does Len have 2 votes?

[Darthe]

[amegakure]

really des.. personal attacks? where did i do that? saying that what your doing looks like fake scumhunting? for realz your a big boy you can do better than that. 

 

and if its your attitude to ignore my post. then be my guest but who is that helping in the end. certainly not town 

[Andrej]

Just got home from a job interview.

 

About to get on this Despo WoT here in a sec

 

 

First thing's first though:

 

##vote Despo

[hazelkrs1]

really des.. personal attacks? where did i do that? saying that what your doing looks like fake scumhunting? for realz your a big boy you can do better than that.

 

and if its your attitude to ignore my post. then be my guest but who is that helping in the end. certainly not town

When you post in such a condescending and patronizing tone, imo you are impuning upon the intelligence of the person you are arguing with. It comes off as rude and obnoxious and makes me want to lynch you.

[hazelkrs1]

 

@

 

Just got home from a job interview.

 

About to get on this Despo WoT here in a sec

 

 

First thing's first though:

 

##vote Despo

@ Obviomgus

[amegakure]

on the contrary i think you are one of the most intelligent people in dm mafia. i think you let that get to you sometimes. And i feel the only way to get in a word otherwise is to be a little rough around the edges.. espically if your scum cause you're good at getting under people's skin. 

[amegakure]

and btw how is asking mish about her opinion buddying? 

[Andrej]

The lady requested my help making dinner so I think you guys know how that went for me This post turned into a formatting nightmare, but I tried to salvage it as best I could.

 

 

 

 

Despo has either lost his mind or is scum and I'm betting it's the latter. His refusal to explain his town read on Krak and his scum read on me, and not to mention his continuing pushes for my lynch which appear to be completly baseless, is scummy as hell.

 

 

##Unvote Jack. Vote Despo.

 

 

Everyone knows that in each game Jack plays in he votes for the player who holds the eleventh slot so why would he all of a sudden now feel the need to justify his vote to Krak? I'm not saying that I think he is scum, but next to Despo's opening his was the one which has stuck out the most to me.

 

I'm convinced that Mish is speaking the truth because early game gambits aren't her thing, but even if you doubt her the fact that she claimed Miller at the start of the game means that she is fine with getting lynched so we should just focus on scumhunting and not let the thread get derailed with a discussion about the usage of the Miller role.

 

First part against me is terrible. Says my pushing for his lynch is completely baseless, which is kind of a stupid thing to point out on page 3 of a game. Almost everything is going to be somewhat baseless.

 

I will say tho that I was gonna chop out the rest of this quote (I did chop out Lenlo's quote to trim the # of quotes), but after reading it again it does seem to contain a glimmer of town!Cloud in it. Could be him doing a better job of faking it tho.

 

You definitely aren't looking too good with him pushing you atm. Why do you think he's pushing you?

 

I took Jack's OP for what apparently he meant it to be, a joke. The #11 thing is sort of cliche but the stuff afterwards read as sarcasm to me.

 

Bolded: I agree on the part about showing she isn't afraid of being lynched. There is no guarantee that we wouldn't have strung her up right away, so definitely don't see scum taking that risk. Thought this was a pretty villagery statement.

 

Didn't like this post at all. Nudge's the train on Cloud a bit at first, only to buddy up to Cloud a bit at the end.

 

The "Why do you think he's pushing you?" comment is making me think it's possible AJ and Cloud could be scum/scum. Especially considering the way AJ has seemingly backtracked off his nudge on Cloud. Would still find AJ somewhat scummy even if Cloud was town however.

 

 

Why do you think he's pushing you?

 

He is either scum or is acting scummy on purpose to kickstart the game and force reactions from the other players, and it’s difficult for me to tell the difference right now because he knows his own meta too well. I find this kind of play really annoying because it's too easy to claim that it was just a trap.

 

So you're metagaming to justify your vote after the fact?

 

What is your opinion about Despo? You first stated that I didn’t look good and now you are all of a sudden defending me. I don't like how you are playing both sides.

 

First comment: See I never "acted scummy" in the first place so yeah, fail. You're just throwing out the word "scummy" a bunch to try and support your case, which is incredibly wolfy. I voted you, concealed my reasoning, and you didn't respond well to my vote. There is nothing scummy there in my actions.

 

Second comment: This is where I could maybe possibly see Cloud as town, for noticing that AJ is trying to play both sides of the fence.

 

Bolded: 3 quotes in a row here where Despo is beginning to lay the foundation for post-Cloud flip. Extremely transparent maneuvering here. Notice how he is saying that even if Cloud flips town, he'll still find me scummy. Blatant projection.

 

Red: You can't downplay how someone else views your actions. It's not your interpretation of what you do that matters, but how others perceive it. How did you really expect Cloud to react when you called him LOCK SCUM after literally one post in the game and then refused to explain yourself? That's absolutely ridiculous, especially now that you are trying to brush it all off and justify it as a 'reaction test'. As I stated before, Cloud's reaction strongly indicates innocence IMO. He knows his alignment, so when you come out pushing a case of nothing like it was legitimate did you really expect him just to let it go? Your assumption that Cloud would accept it as your meta is pretty bad because you are unable to control his thought process. Just because you THINK that's how he should've reacted or seen it doesn't make how he actually did a scumtell.

 

This is like PSY101.

 

 

 

"Interested in hearing what makes you convinced that I'm scum"

 

is a freaking wolf claim from Cloud. Bahahaha so easy!

 

##Lynch Cloud

 

So you're metagaming to justify your vote after the fact?

 

This was a post that was bordering on misrepping. I throw out votes at the start of games all the time, and then either change my vote again or leave it if I feel there might be something there.

 

AJ tries using buzzword phrasing to make it look like what I did was scummy, when it wasn't and isn't. Meta is a part of everyone mafia game, but more importantly I wasn't heavily relying on meta either in my push on Cloud.

 

Weren't using meta??

 

 

 

I'm trying to avoid using the word why in mafia games :P I'm interested in hearing what makes you convinced that I'm scum. I agree with you about Dice btw.

 

"Interested in hearing what makes you convinced that I'm scum"

 

is a freaking wolf claim from Cloud. Bahahaha so easy!

 

##Lynch Cloud

 

I will say that strangely, I'm kinda getting the feeling Jack is town this game. Strange, the first one after like 4 in a row that he seemed scummy to me

 

Call my read on Cloud meta if you will. But he failed my reaction test big time, and his immediate OMGUS just smells of him trying to oversell an interaction with me. I'm pretty confident in my read on him atm.

 

 

 

Looking back on this the green bit is actually stands out a bit more for me. Potential town spewage of Jack IMO. I find it odd that you would say you found him scummy in your past few games but suddenly you are town reading him in this one. He hasn't done anything to give me good vibes this game, so I think here you slipped up a bit and subconsciously hinted at knowing which team Jack is on.

 

 

1. No, I didn't say that. I actually pointed out something a few posts back where I found one of your statements to be pretty villagery. I don't put a lot of value in 'reaction tests' and 'over-reactionary' stuff because frankly I think GOOD scum will be able to compose themselves better. You do look a bit jumpy but the quick OMGUS indicates IMO that you are likely innocent.

 

2. The defense is only through extension because you are the one in question by the person I am questioning. My intent is to get Des to clarify, not to help you. No offense lol. To me it looks like he pulled his 'scumread' on you out of a hat and then later is using meta reasons to justify it, which I why I asked for clarification since as you pointed out he never really explained his view on you in the first place. My opinion on Des is that he is firmly null to me until something drastic happens. We just finished a game where I was given a bad reminder of how I can be 100% sure he is scum and STILL be wrong, so yeah. I think he is playing Stretch Armstrong with this case on you but him reaching is more or less a null tell IMO.

 

(this is a response to Cloud btw, trimmed out the quotes)

 

Don't like how AJ backtracks here, and how he also lays the foundation for being so "wrong" about me.

 

Explain how I'm backtracking in this quote. Cloud asked me directly if I agreed with your scumread on him, which I immediately answer in a direct and to the point manner. I explain that I had previously pointed out one of his posts that I liked regarding Mish's claim and the motivation behind it. I did say that I didn't think he was reacting well to your push, that is true, but I also expound a bit and explain my opinion on OMGUS and reaction tests. They're faulty.

 

Fair point on the 2nd point, not much I can say there besides that it's a genuine feeling. The Hydra game we just finished is a good example. I was actually trying to give you some time to solidify a better read on you, which I explain by keeping you null until a later part of the game. Your casing since then has been pretty unimpressive and this nudging on me while letting Cloud's train build reeks, hence my vote.

 

 

I like where my vote is currently. Especially after the ^ above post. Still not following his 'case' on Leno. What does it matter if he says he doesn't like using meta and then uses it to point out something that stands out to him? How is that a scumtell? Stretch McStretcherson. Not digging the 'could lynch these peeps too' thing without giving any reason to back it. Looks like you're just trying to sheep Despo after he townread you.

 

Len's rebuttal and return to jokes is a bit underwhelming.

 

Dice is basically saying Cloud is either town or scum, bravo.

 

I would like to hear from more of the newer players, get them involved and talking. Player/IceKnight, let's hear your thoughts.

 

TG looked pretty good from his OP imo.

 

I actually agree with Des that too many people aren't using their votes. We'll be nearing the 36 hour mark until DL soon and there doesn't seem to be a legitimate lynch wagon in sight, not a very good start.

 

This whole post is turrible.

 

If Jack was trying to sheep me, why wouldn't he vote Cloud along with me, or agree with any of my scumreads? Instead he votes for someone I put in the LOCK CLEAR crowd. Yet he's sheeping me? Puhlease. 

 

Then, even tho AJ says he likes his vote on Jack, he says Lenlo's rebuttal is underwhelming. Playing both sides yet again.

 

Dice has a penchant for making posts that don't really say much. Opportunistic fos is opportunistic.

 

Asks for more posts from newer players. I don't like this much personally. Newer players are harder to read, and easier to make look bad if they are town, so this could be an attempt to derail better discussion. I want everyone to be vocal, not specifically newer players.

 

 

I have a whole lot of issues with this one. My quote is right there for all to see, but you are stuffing words into my mouth in a rather obvious way. You're applying a malcontent to my words which isn't there, which is uberscummy.

 

Jack sheeping: That comment came after Jack had his vote parked on Leno and suddenly agreed and voiced approval of the Cloud and Amega trains, two people that I don't have as scumreads. This gave me bad juju.

 

Leno's rebuttal: It was underwhelming lol. He basically doesn't even defend himself except to say 'I disagree' and then how he can get behind the whole LAL thing. Again though, you're applying a negative connotation to my words that simply isn't there. I never FOS'd Leno or said that his response was scummy, as I have explained already in a previous post in response to Jack.

 

Dice: Another example. Where do I FOS Dice? Also don't like how you're trying to throw a buzzword in there to make it seem more legit.

 

Newbs: Meh, wasn't my intent. I was attempting to draw them out so that I COULD try to read them. I don't see how you're pushing that this was an attempt on my part to derail 'better' discussion when really there hadn't been a ton of stuff going on that I hadn't already given my opinion on or was directly involved with.

 

 

 

TL;DR

 

Despo is scum.

 

First he comes out with vote on Cloud after 1 post, calling him LOCK SCUM and then continues to antagonize him when Cloud demands for him to explain (see internalized innocence and reactions to false accusations). Later tries to downplay this as a reaction test that Cloud has failed. Says he based the read mostly on meta and then later says that it wasn't meta, but Cloud's reaction. He throws around reads within the first few pages, calling Mish, Krak and Len all LOCK CLEAR and also a town-lean on Dice (see TMI). Potentially town-spews Jack who I think is currently not a very popular townie figure atm. Lays the foundation for absolving himself of Cloud's flip in advance while also beginning to push me as a secondary scum read to potentially pursue the next Day, all the while staying on the Cloud wagon which is tied for 1st with 24 hours to DL (see vote parking & projection). Now he is applying false pretenses to my statements that aren't there.

[Andrej]

 

really des.. personal attacks? where did i do that? saying that what your doing looks like fake scumhunting? for realz your a big boy you can do better than that.

 

and if its your attitude to ignore my post. then be my guest but who is that helping in the end. certainly not town

When you post in such a condescending and patronizing tone, imo you are impuning upon the intelligence of the person you are arguing with. It comes off as rude and obnoxious and makes me want to lynch you.

 

This is a tough pill to swallow coming from you Des.

 

Let's be honest here.