[Advanced/Experimental] Mass Effect I - Hydra Game - Game Over

[hazelkrs1]

 

Yo

Tell me it was you in the garage with the bass.

 

Confess.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g5Hz17C4is

[Darthe]

 

 

whatever dude.  you're blinded by your own idiotic biases

 

umad?

 

No.

 

He's afraid.

 

 

Of a game?  

[hazelkrs1]

I forgot how much I liked that song

 

[Verbal32]

Yeah, I'm willing to tackle this.  We've actually got some traction in this game and I can see the direction that things are going.  You think I'm going to lay down and take it Des?  Never have, never will.

 

What if he bought you dinner first?

[hazelkrs1]

Also meant to mention that I DID go look up the role name in the Spider Country game, where I saw Ithi's crazy google doc and everything.

 

I wanted to link the wiki on the role however so that any not familiar with it could see for themselves how it worked

[hazelkrs1]

 

Yeah, I'm willing to tackle this.  We've actually got some traction in this game and I can see the direction that things are going.  You think I'm going to lay down and take it Des?  Never have, never will.

 

What if he bought you dinner first?

 

 

[Darthe]

 

Yeah, I'm willing to tackle this.  We've actually got some traction in this game and I can see the direction that things are going.  You think I'm going to lay down and take it Des?  Never have, never will.

 

What if he bought you dinner first?

 

 

Sushi or Taco Bell?  It makes a difference.

[Darthe]

 

 

Yeah, I'm willing to tackle this.  We've actually got some traction in this game and I can see the direction that things are going.  You think I'm going to lay down and take it Des?  Never have, never will.

 

What if he bought you dinner first?

 

 

 

[Verbal32]

 

 

Yeah, I'm willing to tackle this.  We've actually got some traction in this game and I can see the direction that things are going.  You think I'm going to lay down and take it Des?  Never have, never will.

 

What if he bought you dinner first?

 

 

Sushi or Taco Bell?  It makes a difference.

 

 

This got awkward.....

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

 

 

whatever dude.  you're blinded by your own idiotic biases

You shouldn't call people names.

 

It's not nice ... or necessary.

 

 saying that he has a bias or that it is stupid isn't saying that he is stupid or biased.  amazing that you can make those distinctions and yet fail to make even the most basic of others.

 

If you think I'm mafia then surely I'm doing that on purpose ... rather than just failing.

 

 

Are you arguing that you're doing so intentionally or just that you want me to think that?

I had to go put what you said back in again because you'd edited the post to cut out what you'd said previously.

 

You said that I'm failing to make the most basic of distinctions

 

I replied that if you think I'm Mafia, why would you say I'm failing? If I was mafia I'd be wilfully doing whatever it is you think I'm doing. For you to say I'm failing seems to suggest you believe I'm Town.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I think it's time I made my excuses and left.

 

It's late and I'm sleepy.

 

Keep on trucking.

[Darthe]

2 things.

 

You once more ignored my point in favor of your own statements.  That's my biggest problem with you atm.

 

Fail to ____ is a way of stating that you are unsuccessful.  It isn't a comment on your nature.  

[Darthe]

@Des

 

http://www.movshare.net/video/ykzbsr4zx7n6u

[Ithillian Turambar]

2 things.

 

You once more ignored my point in favor of your own statements.  That's my biggest problem with you atm.

 

Fail to ____ is a way of stating that you are unsuccessful.  It isn't a comment on your nature.

Darthe - you're going to have to try and be less clever - I don't really know what you're going on about. I've not ignored you. I answered your point with my own. I just did it. I know fail means unsuccessful - I'm just not sure anymore what I've been unsuccessful at.

 

Dap tried doing a code once and I didn't get that either.

 

And I'm really tired.

[hazelkrs1]

Alright miniwot coming, but two quick things first:

 

HaXorZ is still LOCK CLEAR for the reasons Crunk mentioned pretty much. Even if Crunk is scum HaXorZ is still town imo.

 

And more importantly, I think the best thing for the thread tomorrow is if YOLO and Clarthe thunderdome. Gauntlet thrown beotches!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjE2sxCQ_rU

[Hallia]

*likes where this is going*

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

It was probably Len what done it though.

 

He's been sneaky all game.

 

 

 

D: Have not!

 

Youve not really posted anything proper good that I remember since your long list of stuff that happened.

 

Have you been making a new one?

 

@ darthe - turin says he go through yours and clouds stuff later tonight/tomorrow when he is stopped and try and make sense of it cos you frequently too esoteric for your own good lol.

 

nanihgt :)

[Tommyrod]

Hi guys

I haven't read ~anything yet

I'd guess TG is town

[Verbal32]

Alright miniwot coming, but two quick things first:

 

HaXorZ is still LOCK CLEAR for the reasons Crunk mentioned pretty much. Even if Crunk is scum HaXorZ is still town imo.

 

And more importantly, I think the best thing for the thread tomorrow is if YOLO and Clarthe thunderdome. Gauntlet thrown beotches!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjE2sxCQ_rU

 

They can't handle our #swag.

[Verbal32]

Hi guys

 

I haven't read ~anything yet

I'd guess TG is town

lol

[Lenlo]

 

 

It was probably Len what done it though.

 

He's been sneaky all game.

 

 

 

D: Have not!

 

Youve not really posted anything proper good that I remember since your long list of stuff that happened.

 

Have you been making a new one?

 

@ darthe - turin says he go through yours and clouds stuff later tonight/tomorrow when he is stopped and try and make sense of it cos you frequently too esoteric for your own good lol.

 

nanihgt :)

 

Yeah its bout halfway done. Im picking up on the page I left off at which means it will probably be many times longer and split into two posts cause the first one was bout 30 pages and weve gone up 60 since then

[hazelkrs1]

Spoilered cause I'm in a generous mood

 

 

 

Really Des? I have mentioned this before but it seems to be a continuing trend. You go after somebody and if that person dies and flips town, it is because they played bad/scummy. You did the same to me last game and you are parroting the same to Andrej today. In hindsight, he had pretty good points D2 and strongly called out your play yesterday.

That said, his flip does change my view about your alignment. I don't think a scum would go hard creating two townie trains, especially with the counterattack/heat on you. Any of them flipping town would put a crosshair on you and that added attention is unwanted.

 

Initially, I thought both you and J-Tag were scum, especially with both of them missing from the SH train and not coming during the deadline. Your sudden switch from J-Tag to us kind of confirmed that assumption. I assumed that your whole intention was to vote us and the initial J-Tag vote was a mask. It made sense at the time as if you get us lynched, J-Tag would get a good town cred. If J-Tag gets lynched, VD would get a good town cred. Your D1 actions were terrible in hindsight and the primary reason for me to get that feeling on you. But, with them flipping town, it blows my theory out of the water. It doesn't look at all that you would be going hard at two town at the same time, which is what is making me look at this differently. 

 

 

post

 

Ok, peeps.  This is how this needs to go down.

 

One of the teams (at a minimum) on that train is prob scum to ensure we reached the halfway point before J-Tag revealed their town result.  We lynch them all.  If you want to start with Des and I, fine.  I still think PFG is scum, and they are my top pick.

 

 

Yolo

SS

Clarthe

Hax

 

All on the train.  I personally don't think there is more than 1 scum in here, so from my POV that is either SS, Clarthe, or Hax.  If I had to choose, I'd prob choose SS - Leelou has been defending me all game, and she likes to do that as scum.  I read her well, but her internet problems haven't given me the opportunity, and my game life is probably numbered now, so I can't.

 

Des and I have had arguments & interactions with most of the game - it is not a poor play to simply lynch us tomorrow.  I have no problem admitting that.

 

 

Honorary mention to the super clean game both Cloud and Darthe have played, while both being less active than normal....which helps play clean.  Of that train, my ranking is:

 

1. SS

2. Clarthe

3. Hax

 

Good luck.

 

This is a good idea but I'm going to amend it:

 

Because I think HaXorZ is still LOCK CLEAR, I don't think they should be lynched out of that group.

 

And I know we're town, leaving imo at least one scum between SS and Clarthe

 

Fwiw I'm still reading Leelou as town, at least enough to put our neck on the line enough to thunderdome with Clarthe. If I'm wrong... /shrug

 

Also, has HaXorz given out a list of reads at all?

 

A. HaXorZ is LOCK CLEAR

B. Hallia actually gives reads lists more often as mafia. She hasn't seemed concerned with how she looks this game, def a strong towntell for her

C. Stop with the opportunistic fos's

D. FOS

 

 

 

Pretty obvious who they viewed

Come @ me scumzos

Despo, he has issued you a challenge.

 

 

Dude, you should just stop posting.  I already explained what the go-forward situation should be.  Even if you think we are scum, I'm proposing that we'll need to be lynched.  Holy crap you're making yourself look bad.

 

Chillax, and you'll get to see us swing sooner rather than later.  Keep pushing like somebody who isn't paying attention, and you'll end up accidentally defending us.

 

 

 

I'm disliking Yolo more and more.

 

Another opportunistic fos. What's worse about this one is that Krak acts all coy about it, when the fact is YOLO became a fairly easy mislynch opportunity once J-TAG got Executed. Town would be more likely to instantly distrust us, scum more likely to nudge the suspicion on.

 

So yeah, Spliffanity officially added to my suspects list

 

 

This post makes me almost certain you are scum.  You know that after J-Tag, you guys are our top pick for scum, and this is your way of clearing your name for our eventual flip as town.

 

That sounds like confirmation bias, Verbal. At that point, no matter what I said, you would have used that to misrep as scummy. What you are suggesting is a short term band-aid, which makes it seem like an over-reaching point.  

 

You don't know what we might have done had you not posted such a wolfy post. All you keep spewing out it "Yolo is misrepping everything I say!" without showing how were doing so.

 

And Verbal's plan has an EXCELLENT chance of catching at least one scum. Your reluctance to go along with it is noted however.

 

 

 

That is a godawful argument.  I have three people that I think AJ may have viewed.  I sincerely hope you were it and get NK'd.

 

 

And, why do you think it so? What part of Verbal's statement sounds as a plausible, long term solution for scum? When i have seen verbal and des twisting so many of my statements, why would I not think he is doing the same again?

 

 

Darthe's comment could possibly be distancing, and Pray just continues spewing out that we're misrepping him

 

 

ItV ithi.  Her play here is nothing except AtE and fearmongering, a sheer attempt to get under another players skin and make them slip up so that she can continue to ignore the points made against her.  Specifically, Ithillian has completely ignored the fact that she did indeed push information without consideration of the facts behind said information and she will not respond to the accusations made against her, instead preferring to pick at others for semantic and emotionally based reasoning.  Note that she is using things that happen on thred to justify her beliefs in PREVIOUS events.  Using the present to validate the past.  This is the definition of someone flopping when they attempt to play crowd control on thread.  

 

Bold: buzzword buzzword buzzzword buzzzzzzzzword

 

Italics: Unintelligible fluffbabble saying nothing

 

 

If I had to guess who pulled that trigger on the Executioner, I'd guess Clarthe.

I think I would have unvoted after doing it, but we four who were on the train are good options. Im not game for your plan of lynching everyone if we ignore people outside of it to do so btw. Thats a great way to pidgeonhole a group and make mistakes. However, it seems pretty clear that at least one was on it.

 

First part is wifom but more importantly pay attention to Darthe's reaction to Verbal's plan in the next few posts. So here Darthe is fencesitting on the idea, even tho this is normally the kind of idea town!Darthe would leap at

 

You've been playing long enough to know better than that.  You are saying

 

"I AM NOT LYNCHING OUTSIDE OF THESE FOUR PEOPLE"

 

That's a crap argument and unless the entire remaining scum team is on that train it *100%* LOSES us the game.  

 

With 9 slots left that is 4 lynches which means 8 total deaths coming out to a mafia victory.  

 

I am arguing that we cannot ignore the 5 people outside of the train.  They get lower priority, yes, but we CANNOT afford the risk taken in your course of action.

 

Now Darthe is apparently against the plan, and hardcore, but more importantly he says that we should both put higher priority on lynching within Verbal's plan, and watching everyone else as well.

 

You can't choose one or another verb.  You can play to lynching the group or to not lynching the group but trying to play to a halfway point invalidates the entirety of the discussion that we have been having because it is set in distinctly different premises.  

 

Yet here Darthe completely contradicts himself by saying you can't do both, you have to either do Verbal's plan or not at all. But Darthe was JUST saying to both place higher lynch priority on the group Verbal mentioned as well as paying attention to everyone else... so yeah Darthe is scrambling here

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@Des

 

http://www.movshare.net/video/ykzbsr4zx7n6u

 

Noice! The lost Raptor Archer pilot! Swwet!

 

 

We're still thunderdoming tho

 

(adult language alert)

 

 

 

 

[Krakalakachkn]

Alright here's what I wanted to point out real quick before moving on to other stuff:

 

Confrontational Darthe is confrontational.

 

Still down for those dak pics? lol

 

I have a question for you Darthe. Could you explain your linking scenario a little more for me? You're voting Straw Hats, I believe... but also putting down RTE's reads post as a psy-scum tell.

 

Therefore you think Straw Hats is scum as well as RTL.

 

RTL is now voting Straw Hats.

 

Does this disrupt your scenario in any way?

 

How does me pointing out your statement towards RTE make me scum with Straw Hats (if they are scum) and RTL more likely to be town?

 

So here's where AJ first soft defends SH by pointing out that Darthe is voting alongside RTL, another scum read of his.

 

Now, AJ makes this point on D1, a horrible time to be pointing something like this out. Darthe responded accordingly, and basically said he knew he could be wrong on reads, especially early in the game, so he tends not to weigh associative tells too heavily. Perfect answer, as this is the mindset any solid scumhunter should have in the early goings of a game.

 

Didn't find Pral's entrance very moving either. Scum lean in that direction.

 

This was AJ's first mentioning of Pray- says he has a scumlean.

 

Pral's game entrance gave me bad juju as well but I like how he is pushing the SS girls. He is usually an outlier when it comes to voting as town I have noticed, so I retract the early scum read. Would like to see more from BFG though, if she is town it will soon be apparent.

 

And this is AJ's very next mention of Pray... notice how he clears him for really bad reasoning?

 

Again, early on associative tells are weak. So him also suspecting the same people you do should NEVER clear him on D1. The "outlier as town with voting" thing is just bad. There's nothing you can do to convince me you would go from scumlean to town for that kind of reasoning.

 

Something else to note is how AJ likes Pray for pushing the SS girls...

 

 

partially answered before. I would still like to hear if you both think that Lenlo's reasoning is sound. Do you follow what he is basing his reads on. Or if you would do you think he is genuine on his beliefs or is he trying to sell something.

 

Lily currently has mafia reads on the following:

RTLenlo

Haxorz

WiFuM

Straw Hats 

 

Do you agree with those? I assume that you do agree with RTL and most likely HaXorz, how about WiFuM and Straw Hats?

 

Lily is voting a scumread along with her other scumread.

 

Curious.

 

Evil Sibs can slide to leaning scum.

 

Yet 20 mins later, AJ says Evil Sibs can slide to leaning scum.

 

Meaning he didn't have her as scum before this.

 

Meaning he thought Pray could be town for pushing against the SS girls even tho he didn't have them as a scumread yet.

 

Yeahhhhhh..... this is a wolfclaim yall. Guess AJ had already mentioned in the QT to go after the SS girls but forgot that he hadn't done so in thread yet. LAWLZ.

 

 

Anyways, back to my real point.

AJ slides SS to scum because he says they're voting along with a scumread of theirs... on D1, when townie's reads are most likely to jump back and forth a lot. Again, this is piss poor thinking for any scumhunter worth their salt. AJ isn't this bad.

 

 

So you see how the Straw Hats are getting voted? Do you find it odd that AJ is working so hard to defend and stop their lynch?  At least that is how it looks to me.

 

You don't find how they're getting voted to be odd?

 

yep yep aj must be mafia.. who would want to stop a towny from being lynched... like omg guys

 

A good townsman who would rather lynch mafia

 

After catching up I find it oddly amusing that Amega and the new guy are the leading wagon on D1. I don't think we're paying enough attention to who is voting who and why.

 

AJ stresses again that he finds the voting patterns odd, makes it seem like more people should be seeing that Straw Hats aren't scum because everyone is voting along with their scumreads on D1.

 

Dude seems to have a complex about it lol

 

 

Now, I could have quoted like 8-9 other examples of AJ either hard or soft defending Straw Hats to help supplement this, but yeah honestly everyone needs to go back and read AJ's iso. Then come back and tell me what you think about how AJ defended SH, and if it seemed like he had good reasons too, or was instead overly concerned with helping a teammate stay alive.

 

 

I don't understand why you continually bring up AJ defending Straw Hats.  Belaboring the point to which you've belabored it reads to me as scummy.  AJ has admitted and defended his actions concerning Straw Hats several times.  You bringing it up is just filler.

 

@bold/underlined - I'm either really misreading or Des screwed up and mixed up the Evil Siblings and Sexy Sisters when casing AJ.  Such a blatant misrep.

 

 

The rest of it is a pretty trashy case without much to go on.  Reads like Des is just flinging mud and hoping it sticks.

[Darthe]

And thunderdone we shall but not in such a negative environment. Im considering revealing because I feel rash today and that would be bad.

[hazelkrs1]

YOLOHASHSWAG

HaxorZ

 

WiFuM

 

Crunk

SS

RTL

Spliffanity

PFG

Clarthe

 

Here's where I'm at atm. HaX and us are LOCK CLEAR. I wanna put WiFuM and Crunk as LOCK CLEAR as well since well, I REALLY trust my town read on both, but eh this game seems like it might require mucho tinfoiling potentially. But either way not lynching there anytime soon. SS and RTL are question marks, altho I still have slight town reads on both. SS is still a good lynch candidate because of Verbal's plan, but eh. RTL looked more likely to be town to me based on the assumption that J-TAG was scum, but since they're not my town read on Lenlo isn't quite strong enough to completely outweigh the pings that have come from RTE this game.

 

Either way, that red group looks pretty good to me at having the last two scum in it (obv assuming 3 scum total). Spliffanity has had some opportunistic fos's lately and is sideline sniping. PFG has looked scummy for a while and Pray's recent posts haven't changed that. Haven't iso'd BFG yet which AJ really seemed to want me to do, might do so tonight. But again, when reading BFG's posts in realtime and on first reread, none of her usual town!self was shining through. As for Clarthe, they look like LOCK SCUM to me at this point. The change in activity and tone in Darthe's post once the Cop got executed is too big to look past imo.