[BASIC] Physics Mafia: GAME OVER, Town and Lenlo wins!

[Nolder]

Vote Des

 

You're trying very hard to make me look bad over small things and failing terribly at it.

[dawnflower8]

 

I'd like to hear any thoughts Dawn might have on the game. 

 

 

Oh, and Ice, too.

 

 

I don't get this at all. You know both are newer players Lily, and thus will both be much harder to read and much easier to make look scummy, and you seem so intent on hearing from them? This combined with your fascination with Kronos in your reread posts makes me feel really good about my scumread on you.

 

I can't tell who seems scummy though...

 

MAYBE LILY IS. I BET SHE IS.

[Nolder]

Dawn can you give us a brief rundown of what you think of everyone?

Also if you wouldn't mind including WBK, the player you replaced, that'd be great.

[dawnflower8]

I'm not sure about everyone. I'm pretty sure Ice is not scum, since he's pretty obvious and I probably would have been able to figure it out IRL. Lily seems suspicious. I'm not sure of anyone else...yet. (Although a lot of people seem to think Jack might be scum)

[Nolder]

Can you expand on why you think those things?

Ice made like 3 posts if I recall correctly and none of them were very heavy. 

I think all he did was say hi actually.

Why does Lily seem suspicious to you?

[WWWwombat]

Despo has either gone back to ice cold mode or he rolled scum.

[amegakure]

@jack 

 

why cloud over dap? do you think a lynch on him would provide more insights?

[dawnflower8]

Can you expand on why you think those things?

Ice made like 3 posts if I recall correctly and none of them were very heavy. 

I think all he did was say hi actually.

Why does Lily seem suspicious to you?

Just her asking me all this stuff about what I think, it sorta seems like she's doing it to make me less suspicious of her. And Ice is my BROTHER who cannot keep a secret and would probably make it super obvious to me that he is.

[Nolder]

Well the reason she (and I) asked so many questions is that we haven't heard much from the person you're replacing so we're eager to get some kind of a read on you and your relation (if any) to other players. It's also helpful to have fresh eyes look at older arguments to maybe catch something others missed.

 

As for your brother, again aside from saying hi he hasn't really said anything else.

How obvious do you expect him to be if he's mafia? Just flat out say it?

The best way to keep a secret is to not say anything right? And I'd say he's on that track so far.

[Tyler Glembo]

Deadline approaches

[Tyler Glembo]

X has asked to be replaced and his replacement is coming in shortly.

[Hayl3y]

For the moment, my reads... don't think i'll post much today

 

Jack - I found him quite jumpy at the beginning. But he may have been fishing for reactions. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt so far.

Lily - I didn't understand her focus on Kronos. So far, I find her active and she does read the wot, it could count as a sign if scumhunting. Leaning town.

Wombat - Quite constructive in his posts, but there's nothing really relevant at the moment. it's a null for me.

Ame - I found his vote against Jack having not enough substance, but his lasts posts are better. I wouldn't vote him now

Vos - Seeing how much Nolder is on his back, i may want to give him the benefit of the doubt too (see post 308).

Despo - I didn't like his post about being the only one to do stuff on D1 and leave unpunished. I'd give him a null read though as I dont think he'd have posted

Replacement/Xtrax - too soon

Ice - too soon

Lenlo - don't have reads

Dap - Well i'm a bit confused by him using the punctuation Kronos used to say he could be scum ... it looks a bit overdone. First he said not much, then with his post 291 he uses real details to push ideas.

Dawn - too soon

Nolder - I don't like his vote against Des. It looks a lot like it's only a way to defend himself, as he had reads about others.

His posts make him look like a veteran with a lot of material and all, could be trying to build himself some credit.

Cloud - less active at the moment, so null for me. Helpful with the replacement, i note. Asked interesting questions in the beginning of the game.

 

votes dap

[Nolder]

Just a quick question, did you read what Des was accusing me of and my rebuttal?

He's either very absentminded this game (not usual for him) or he's trying to lie about me.

For example he said that I said I'd do my WOT "within seconds" when I clearly said I'd do it tomorrow.

He twisted, stretched, and forgot other key facts which I've all addressed.

 

It's cool if you want to give him the benefit of the doubt, that's your prerogative, but how do I come out of that looking like the bad guy?

[Hayl3y]

well, i think he's more getting reactions than anything else  has a special way to play mafia which is not my own at all.

and for u coming out of looking like the bad guy, i'll go on trying to make an opinion by myself

[dapianoplay3r]

First cos no one seems able to read

(chae looking at you especially here)

 

Here is when i gave my reason (literally directly above the vote)

Brb, just finding a VC. If I can I'll even the train on Vos. If it's already even then WKB is my vote

And here is where i restated it cos you asked

 

 

vote Vos

 

VOTE COUNT

 

WKB (1): Nol

Vos(4): Wombat, Jack, lily, Dap

Jack (4): Despo, Cloud, Vos, amega

Not Voting (6): X, Zanube, Len, Chael, WKB

*smirk

 

Again, why Vos?

 

You are like the 3rd person to ask.

Seriously it's explained in the last line of the post above the quoted.

 

Nevermind Player I saw your reason in your WOT.

So you were just trying to make competing trains?

Ok. Wish you would have made that clearer from the beginning though.

 

I can already see this is going to be one of those games...

Even Nol talks about it 2 posts before you ask me about it again. Come on

 

Anyway I'm going to do a mini wot (I'll try keep it brief)

Be back soon

 

Does no one ever click the arrows

 

And now this is where ive stated it again cos you keep asking

 

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Right

Amega

 

 

 

 

Vote Chae

 

Your number 11. We all know what that means

We do?

 

11 according to my day 1 tradition is always scum. I've self voted and voted every single person to placed at that spot

 

However your jumpy questioning to an obvious joke vote is noted. Hmmmm

 

jumpy questioning? where talking a total of two syllables. Are you that desperate for reactions?

 

This is what I would consider the first part of your defending. However I can see how this could be not intended as that so i guess ill just have to get more examples.

[dapianoplay3r]

i think your jab at wolf was opportunistic.

Here is where I see you defending Wolf again. Of course it is not a direct defence (same as how I am defending Jack whether i like it or not by attacking you here, for this post)

you say it was a prod but looks like your laying ground work for and Fos. Im assuming that should say “for A FOS”? Eitherway you are undermining groundwork for a FOS with this sentence, before one has even been placed. (Personally i don’t get why people get so worked up about a FOS. Its just 3 letters and not even a vote).

Anyway, you are suggesting that jack is scummy for doing it this way and therefore shouldn’t be listened to. Ergo you are helping to defend WKB because the main person against him is too scummy to be trusted

Your theory on "we do" was a joke man. "no we dont" might have fit the description your trying fill but not this. So feel free to add my vote to that! You really think des is going after you because your old school.. come on duude your misreping and making mountains out of moles hils.

Then we get the mountains out of mole hills. So, so far you have called his jab “opportunistic”, Scummy (not directly but inferred), misrepped, and now also exaggerated. All of which are aimed at the points against WKB.

You cannot deny that is defending him. You are the spearhead for the “attack of those against WKB” at this point in the game

 

Dap i may be inexperienced but come at me bro. Ill drop you like a rock... something something gravity!

Then you also throw this at me. (the other main person who was again WKB at the time. The only other was Nol I believe)

Furthermore all I had said was “I think it will be funny watching amega realise you have the upper hand in this”

Which was aimed at Jack. I thought jack would win this argument, i wasn’t really intending to get involved. Yet you take it as an attack.

 

VOTE JACK

[dapianoplay3r]

I mean seriously.

You are defending. Just grow a pair and admit it.

Its not so bad as to be defending someone, unless of course you know that defending the said person can end badly for yourself...

 

 

well i was the one who pointed it out but sure if thats parroting stick with it.

 

SO that was in refrence to Jack calling out the post before this one im replying to.

Remember that bold?

Well....

 

 

Vote Jack for trying to turn molehills into mountains

 

So I guess its not a direct quote. Would you prefer it was called Embellishing?

Boils down to the same thing really.

Then there is Vos calling out Jack, as well as Len calling it out I believe.

So while you may of been the first to write it like you did, you were not the first to have the idea.

Titanic may be very different to romeo and Juliette, but it is still the same story. Just one was on a boat and had a bigger budget.

 

Then we get WKB playing it cool....

But quickly coming back to explain himself further.

(like in an interrogation when you just stay silent and the interrogated starts trying to fill the silence and ends up digging their own grave. Figuritively)

 

 

i was literally the second post after you made your comment about him being jumpy...

yet all you said was that he was desperate for reactions. You only managed to make the full post after others had commented and you had been prompted on thread

 

Sometimes I wish i had a dime for every time scum said they where looking for reactions. Especially when they follow up with WIFOM and misrep the people on their train and skim the thread ;)

I would actually like to see the figures on this. Im pretty sure it would be more towards the other way. A richer man would have the dime of the town. But eitherway thats just musings

 

I like nolder's vote on Wolf. id think he'd have more to say regarding his own comment and jack's response. Laying low and waiting for people to show isnt an effective game strategy unless your a professional lurker.

So if i had voted WKB it would of been happy days in your world?

Also if anyone could be called a professional lurker it would be WKB

[dapianoplay3r]

Also regarding your comment about me making mountains into ranges? whats your thought process on that. ive made 3 post on the subject stating it was a scummy move? Care to elaborate or is this just more misrep?

Well you have spent a lot of your game time going for Jack just over that one thing really.

In fact, it seems it has convinced you Jack is mafia. Without a doubt apparently.

So yea you have taken this to an extreme (not a bad thing IMO but the way you react when people point it out bothers me)

 

I dont have this game or anyone else figured out. Theres more than one scum and im not sure who they are. The way you phrase this suggests you know one of the mafia. One can only assume you mean Jack from the way you have been posting, therefore i think it is safe to assume those “3” posts you made have demonstrated your transition from null read on Jack to solid mafia. “making mountains into ranges” some could say...

 

Cloud voting for no reason doesnt really appeal to me as a scum tell. people do it all the time as either alignment so its null. I wouldn't mind hearing his own opinions on your follow up post though.

Doesnt mean we should ever encourage such behaviour. It does give the mafia a place to hide and unreasoned votes should always be questioned (my vote was reasoned in the post above before you even try that)

 

Vos may have been parroting and sheeping but their only so many ways you can sing a case to make it sound different. Not sure what your expecting.

kinda like the tune you are singing about Jack? Its only what, 5?, posts on the subject so dar (your numbers not mine) and yet youve sung him all the way to LOCK SCUM.

Not sure what youre expecting

(you need to work on your you’re’s)

 

As for not taking everything you say into consideration. That's false, their a reason i didnt immediately vote you for your prod on wolf, and instead asked you a question about it. Initially it was just suspicious. it was your reply to me and des that makes me dubious.

True, but he kind of has a point that you have written him off as mafia already...

 

this last post from you is actually the best one ive seen from you its making me consider upgrading you to null.

Jesus Christ. WE are still in the same post you just said “Theres more than one scum and im not sure who they are”. That implies you know one. SO if Jack is not it then who is the other?

Me?

Or are you just fickle with your reads?

 

And to be clear i was not part of the In joke delima, i read wolf's post as a serious question, since i have never heard of this #11 rule. It almost mirrored my own thoughts when i read the thread. Then you made something potentially scummy out of it, in a way i doubt Des would have been able to replicate. Not really sure why you brought despo into this but ok. Anyway, weren’t you the one who thought WKB was joking around. I know i mentioned someone was in my last WOT. If it wasn’t you i apologise. If it was then make up your god dam mind.

 

Now i dont know how old school players where taught how to play I find the use of the word TAUGHT very off here. Learned would of been better, Coached far worse. See where im going?

, and i consider myself inexperienced by far compared to most, but Im not sure why you want me to ignore a nudge on Wolf? Is this something you would do if the roles where reversed.

Then there is this super weird appeal to Jack, then a quick throw back at him. Its all just aimed to make jack go “oh of course. Sorry, I woulda done the same”.

 

Also is that some slight buddying between you and Dap? A little passive agressive distancing thrown in there to?

You mean like your last paragraph? How you go for his actions but appeal to his person?

 

Wolf is suspect. But the people going for him are bad!

 

The train on vos is interesting to say the least. everyone is going after him for having weak sauce but what exactly are your guys cases for voting him? I wouldnt consider them strong.

Noone seems to understand irony...

 

 

 

If you aren't making mountains out of molehills on D1, then you're not playing hard enough.

probably true but an ambiguous way to take both sides. Doesn't address switch to Wolf

 

First you go after my vote, yet only quote the vote, not the reason.

Second you prod, nudge, set up, Wombat here as a bit scummy for not addressing the WKB vote. It seems really odd that the one person from the train you haven’t really mentioned before you take the time to add a whole sentence about to call out rather than just another weak.

Were the others already founded enough for you to just leave it at weak?

 

[dapianoplay3r]

Post 166 is basically a repeat so here is the main stuff i wanna talk about

I feel a town player wouldnt worry at all regardless of the case. town wins as a whole so if you died you would still have provided plenty of day one information that potential gives us the win over the scum team.

You clearly start setting up for a town flip

 

im not sure what your trying to ask for lily. I had alot to say..you should probably pay attention to everything or you might miss something

You better be reading this carefully. We wouldn’t want another gruffalo situation again now would we?

 

if i had two votes i would vote lily to. I feel as if im coming into my own here and put a good foot forward with my casing. And its tooo long for lily to be bothered.

God you are getting cocky aren’t you

 

i didnt say i want to lynch you as town. im saying your not proving your not scum yet.

No, that would be far too obvious. You just gave yourself the out to claim “we got good info” if a town flip happens.

 

And yes i think your scum, why shouldnt i. no one is above suspicion.

Except yourself. Every point against you is a misrep, an exaggeration, or lies it seems

 

And if you can actually make a pertanint case agaisnt me proving im scum regardless of the fact that im town.

i'd be glad the info would probably lead to a lynch on you for being scum and all your scummy friends later on.

You keep stating you are town over and over again.

The lady doth protest too much

Nothing in the WOT I really wanna talk about. I feel most of those points would be a repeat at this point

 

dap your a dirty liar. Me going after jack for a prod in no way imply's im defending wolf. I dont know how stupid you think i am but if i was scum mates with him i wouldnt have bother'd with it on page 3.

 

There is no motive to protect him as scum on the first day. This is purely about jack's prod. and his subsequent posts.

I don’t think you are stupid. I think youve got cocky and are making mistakes cos of it.

Eitherway I feel this has shown you to be defending WKB, even if you don’t directly say “Leave Wolfie alone *crying*, hes town”, your posts all seem to work towards helping him until you suddenly switch to agreeing that he is scummy when the general consensus on thread seems to be he is scummy.

 

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This is all new to me. So ill be commenting on more than just Amega potentially

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@Nervo

Third vote on a train is mafia

@wombat

The third vote thing I brought up cos everyone was getting their panties in a twist about the #11 thing. I thought it was a funny parallel.

 

 

@nolder that post makes alot of sense and when i look at it from that way it makes sense. and i suppose it started that way and ended up into tunneling. And i believe you are being sincere in your lecture. i frankly enjoy them when they are comprehensive like the last but adding dumb to begin your lecture isnt helpful :)

 

Unvote jack

 

vote dap

Weird change of vote.

Considering...

Dap has made some points and i actually agree with a few of them. im not going to peg him as the next scum member just because he dosent agree with some of my post. Lenlo as well has a few disagreements. nolder to. Do you want me to find all the post's where people have stated they dont exactly agree with my line of thinking? and how i havent said a word in protest to their opinions.

I don’t think ive posted since youve posted this (atleast nothing of substance)

So what has changed in those last 2 pages that I warrent the vote now?

 

Oh here it is!

Well I still think jack is scummy but I'm at a loss on how to convince town the people voting him now are convinced. The ones not voting seen impossible to convince. I also would like to see if jack will put his money where his mouth is If pressure on dap started.,

You post a case. A case that you logically lay out a reason someone is mafia.

Like in a court room.

But i like how you vote me to get on Jacks good side. Harks all the way back to your post

153 (http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/88294-basic-physics-mafia-day-1-vectors-and-kinematics/?p=3195793)

Which i already talked about.

I guess if you are going for the same person he wont be going for you.

 

unvote Ameg and vote cloud

 

Ameg is probably my highest list for townie ATM, his overt defense and tunneling and brash statements seem just like an ignorant townie then a bullish scum.

 

Cloud lynch FTW. For other previous statements and as I said cloud and dap would be splendid lynches.

 

Also Desp. I did defend but when it got ridiculous and I just kept repeating myself I just was in it for the lolz

Ill be dammed. He is doing exactly that. He has you as town and all is well in the world

[dapianoplay3r]

Christ sorry about all that, quotes got all messed up and shit got weird

 

unvote vote Amega

[Tyler Glembo]

theWolverine is replacing Xthrax

 

Vote Count

amegakure(2): LilyElizabeth, dapianoplay3r

Jack_D (3): Despothera, _Cloud, nervositee

Nolder(1): Lenlo

_Cloud(2): WWWwombat, Jack_D

dapianoplay3r(2): amegakure, Chaelca

Despothera(1): Nolder

 

Not Voting (3): theWolverine, iceknight, dawnflower8,

 

Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140323T16&p0=263&msg=Physics+Mafia+Day+1

 

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

[Tyler Glembo]

Physics Fact of the Day

 

You might have heard of huge uncertainty principle. It states that at the quantum level you cannot know both an objects position and velocity at the same time. The more precise you are about one, the less precise you'll know the other.

 

What is interesting is what happens in empty space because of the uncertainty principle. If you zoom in on a specific point in empty space then you know exactly where is is very precisely. However, since you can't know both the position and velocity the more you zoom in on empty space the crazier the velocity goes! This takes the shape of highly energetic quantum fluctuations in outer space! Yup, even in nothing there is still something. Lots and lots of highly energetic something.

[Nolder]

Unvote

Vote Cloud

 

Also your link is bad TGlems

[Sedai]

@Ameg dap has decided to play this game from his very non committal starting point. Still feel uneasy about him, but I think cloud is the way to go ^^

[nervositee]

Just dropping in to say sorry for not following up with my reads list and lack of proper commitment these days. Lots of shit hitting the fan, so to speak. I'll try to get it done today but no promises, unfortunately. 

 

We're in a very interesting position here with the votes. Lots of different votes all over the place. Will make D1 interesting to look back on later with some flips. 

 

The down side is that the biggest train is 3 votes out of 8, and a little less than 7 hours until deadline. NL will result in a no-coroner mod-kill, so we should certainly try to avoid that. 

 

Really put out by all the policy-BS clouding this thread (no pun intended Cloud). Do this, do that, don't do this. Mentoring in a game like this is pointless as you'll never know who has who's best interest at heart. 

 

Especially wierded out at Nolder giving me a hard time and a lecture for just providing one sentence explanation, saying that everyone else is not mind-readers... one should always explain ones vote with a logic case. And then he drops a unvote vote cloud out of the blue? Not even sure what to say here.