[Advanced] Catching Fire mafia - Game over!

[BFG]

 

 

Re: Krak

 

Early on he looked to be all over the place - he cased Salami, and then agreed with him.  He went back to his original vote (TG), and also cased X a little.  But there was a lot of fluff in there as well, so it is hard to get a read on whether he's unfocused due to being scum, or lazy town.

 

I'd say I'm even on Krak and X, with Amega being the most scummy for me.

 

Verbal comes back with his read on Krak and has a scum feeling on krak, along with Amega and X. Amega flipped town. X is also looking town based on the earlier comment.Which leaves Krak. I think Verbal would try to include at least one scum in that list and based on my earlier read on Krak, it just reaffirms that he is leaning scum.

 

 

Well seeing how I know my alignment, I'm going to disagree with you.  I think it's more likely he was going to bus X and hope the lynch didn't go through, or if it did he would use the town cred (L-2 is a pretty safe spot).  I think it's more likely he included me as a scum read particularly because he never did that ISO on me.  Also, most of the active town at the town had me on their likely scum list.  I think he was trying to blend in and not make waves.

 

This is awful. First accusation of X being mafia, without a vote.

 

 

No. It means I go perfect the rest of the game on gut reads.

 

For example, X is scum.

 

Awesome, and the rest of your gut reads are...

 

So out of curiosity, do you plan on voting X or just proclaim him scum?

 

Lol, but seriously, another nudge on X

 

 

Strangely, you hadn't heard the bell toll. It was almost like the gamemakers got distracted playing Sims or something.

 

 

 

haha!!

 

Sorry about my absence so far this day - was out after work with some of my coworkers and got home very late, then our House mafia game was winding down and I wanted to give that my full attention.

 

I feel feverish right now, but if I feel better later tonight I will go through and update my notes - if not, will be tomorrow afternoon.

 

 

Feel better!

 

Yep, glad to be able to focus now!

 

But seriously, part of me wants to take you up on the vote Monk thing.

 

Focus, please.

 

Sorry I'm really pressed for time in my life ATM

Did X ever claim?

 

If so I can't find it right now (granted I hardly even skimmed)

 

But I think that's the best lynch for us today

If X flips mafia we know to look for the last mafia in the people not on the train. If X flips town then we know the mafia were probably on that train as they would of wanted a town lynch to occur that day.

People often ask what I mean by info lynches. This is one.

 

If I've missed something that mean this wouldn't work at all let me know. I'm kinda a mess ATM. I think I've been having an extended panic attack lol

 

I can almost see an argument for the info lynch, as there would be 2 serious trains to analyse, but I can't remember the initial case for his first train, I do remember Verb nudging it a little tho.

 

I freely admit that it was an oops with the vote thingy, so if you want to lynch me over that be my guest.  I'm vanilla town anyways.

This is bleurgh. The case on you isn't your failed vote.

 

 

 

Sorry I'm really pressed for time in my life ATM

Did X ever claim?

 

If so I can't find it right now (granted I hardly even skimmed)

 

But I think that's the best lynch for us today

If X flips mafia we know to look for the last mafia in the people not on the train. If X flips town then we know the mafia were probably on that train as they would of wanted a town lynch to occur that day.

People often ask what I mean by info lynches. This is one.

 

If I've missed something that mean this wouldn't work at all let me know. I'm kinda a mess ATM. I think I've been having an extended panic attack lol

 

I think this actually makes sense.  We're in a good position as town right now, and I think this would make a good info lynch.

 

Then why not vote now?

 

 

 

The bell tolls three times. Two screams echo on the wind.

 

 

This will go into effect in 17 minutes, I'd rather just do it a tad early so I don't forget again ;)

I was affected by this. I take one extra vote to lynch for the next 24 hours.

 

 

 

Up to page 27

 

 

This may be important. So far no one else has come forwards. But we may need an extra person able to vote!

 

I recognize that my play isn't the best.  I'd say one of the quieter people.

I generally like your play, but you've not given reads yet. In your opinion who are the quieter people?

[BFG]

 

• Dap: I liked that he started by asking out the CS/Hally buddying, I didn't like his post middle-game post middle game "small mercy i haven't missed much but sucks to be so quiet" <-- that sounds bad.. mixed
• Vos: i liked the carefree way he started the game, his general tone... he answered my question about why he not assume me derailing just fine, townish
• Hally: absolutely nothing except for some speculation about jester and some buddying here and there (and also claiming the LP)... null
• Monk: "is excited" at start, not much afterwards but he makes sense and that's weird from him... will watch closely
• Len: seems less relaxed as usual, fishes for actions (bad), nudge at csarmi (when Darthe asks about why I don't vote him) "perhaps to see if others were to commit?" but no vote

  "He can blame you for it because it was a completely random. artificial direction created by you. If you hadnt made such an outrageous weird claim then we would be in a completely different situation. Personally I dont care we have picked up and im glad for it. " <-- that actually makes sense on second read but something feels off

  Leaning scum, but slightly... too much speculation and some playing both sides make me edgy

• Rhea: she looks alright, didn't add much, but I like how she asked Dice about how he got to his speculation A8bout who wasn't affected). wouldn't say I can read her at this time, but leaning town

 

I find it odd that you're able to pick up on something being "weird" when the guy has about 100 posts in his entire DM career.

 

 

 

Ah, ok.  Nevermind then, I retract my comment.

Ok, it seems odd to me that Verb picks out Csarmi read on Monk over the others, X called out a lot specifically

 

 

 

One more thing that I noticed Csarmi, you said that you dislike Verbal nudging your scummyness. What do you mean? Are you stating that his nudging hit a mark and his nudging was to something thats there?

 

This is a weird comment - are you expecting Salami to just admit that I was "on to something" with a response to this?

 

This is the first time Verb mentions X on thread.

 

 

Oh crap, that's right - I was affected by a wedge over the weekend.  I don't know which "scream" was me, though - wasn't online.  But I took 1 less to lynch for 24 hours.  Maybe I'm in the unknown group of people that haven't revealed their wedge effect yet?

Think this is 2 o clock.

 

 

 

@CS-

1. There hasn't been much going on. So since people have posted quite less shouldn't they be a null read?

 

For instance your read on Rhea-You say she hasn't posted much, only a question to Dice about how he came up with his list of players. And that makes you lean town on her?

Dap's post-where he said that it was good that he didn't miss but that the game is very quite. That gives you a bad impression and a mixed read.

You read Amega as leaning scum because he said all the talk about Darthe's claim is making his brain hurt, asking if mafia would lurk and commenting on Darthe's play.

 

All of your reasons are nothing solid but you read them as leaning town/mafia?

 

2. I have no comment on that. But Hallia post to which you refer was just part of the initial fluff.

 

Oh ok.

 

My opinion on Darthe's jump starting post. I was giving my thoughts on two possible reasons he may have said so. I also said that it caused quite a bit of confusion, derailment and is wifom. So I will follow what comes next closely.

 

One more thing that I noticed Csarmi, you said that you dislike Verbal nudging your scummyness. What do you mean? Are you stating that his nudging hit a mark and his nudging was to something thats there?

 

I feel like this is the post from X that is causing some votes for him.

 

 

 

I'm on the fence with this.  On one side, he seems to be talking things through out loud (like his response to Darthe's "reveal"), which to me is indicative of town behavior.......but then the way he responded to Salami seemed to be in a way to keep the discussion flowing through him and feeding that distraction.  I admit it worked on me, at least.....but that doesn't mean he's scum.

 

50/50 for me, tbh.

Nudges, he also withholds a vote until pretty late in the day, where there's nowhere else to go.

[Lenlo]

Im torn. Im equally ok with either of these lynchs... Think ill trust the intuition of our tracker this time.

 

##Vote Hallia

[Tyler Glembo]

Hallia is at L-1.  Let's get a claim out of X before we lynch.

[Krakalakachkn]

Or at least a set of reads from Hallia.

[nervositee]

Hallia is at L-1.  Let's get a claim out of X before we lynch.

 

 

Or at least a set of reads from Hallia.

 

 

You gonna be available? Because we are at T - 7 hours before DL. 

[Tyler Glembo]

I'll be around to hammer. 

[BFG]

Official Vote Count:

 

Xthrax (4): Monk, Hallia, Dap, Tress

Hallia (4): TG, Vos, Xthrax, BFG

 

Not Voting (3): Krak, Len, Pral

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=1375&iso=20140318T0001

 

 

Im torn. Im equally ok with either of these lynchs... Think ill trust the intuition of our tracker this time.

 

##Vote Hallia

TG can't hammer.

[Xthrax]

 

 

Wow X, did you really just call Hallia out for sheeping while you took Vos's post just above yours and copied it almost word for word?

 

WOW

Nope, I didn't-read closely. What Vos said was about her sheeping and mafia number which I've said. The rest of what he said consisted of how she might know my alignment and what would they get for voting me.  The rest of what I said talked about her defense, her evasion and responding with rhetoric instead of logic and her very early claim and don't care manner. 

So if you notice, it wasn't 'word for word'

 

 

I said "almost word for word."  Which you did.  You have a very short time to claim or do something noteworthy or I'm switching my vote and putting you at L-1.

 

Cases on both you and Hallia are solid, IMO, and I like what Tress had to say, especially about how you snuck through without a claim.

 

Ok. For instance, I've tried to do my part, got out my reads and I'm trying to scum hunt. What is your case on me?

 

Why exactly do you need me to claim? If I claim my role, I'll be a easy target for mafia to kill that night. And that is completely anti-town, because it easily provides them with an easy target. If it is at L-1 fine, but I'd like to see your reasoning.

Like I said, I was very caught with RL and almost forgot about the game. I realize that it hasn't helped anyone least of all me but that's what happened. Specifically I came back to this game few hours or so into night. When Day came, I had my set of reads formulated and suspected three of which one was Hallia. Coupled with her anti-town play, it gave me quite a lot of incentive to vote her. 

 

There are now 6 hours before deadline. That's plenty of time for Hallia to come, defend herself and pick it up. I know she has claimed, but there is still stuff to be done.

 

Incidentally that is one thing, thats pinged for me. I do not believe in claiming when there is the slightest bit of pressure on you-IMO you should claim when Town is absolutely relentless on a mislynch.

 

Hallia had plenty of oppurtunity to comment on her train, on her views etc. instead of choosing to on trivial things.

[Xthrax]

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Xthrax (4): Monk, Hallia, Dap, Tress

Hallia (4): TG, Vos, Xthrax, BFG

 

Not Voting (3): Krak, Len, Pral

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=1375&iso=20140318T0001

 

 

Im torn. Im equally ok with either of these lynchs... Think ill trust the intuition of our tracker this time.

 

##Vote Hallia

TG can't hammer.

 

 

It upto what Krak and Pral decides to do. 

[Krakalakachkn]

I'd like to hear from Pral before voting.

[nervositee]

 

 

Why exactly do you need me to claim? If I claim my role, I'll be a easy target for mafia to kill that night. And that is completely anti-town, because it easily provides them with an easy target. If it is at L-1 fine, but I'd like to see your reasoning.

 

[...]

 

There are now 6 hours before deadline. That's plenty of time for Hallia to come, defend herself and pick it up. I know she has claimed, but there is still stuff to be done.

 

Incidentally that is one thing, thats pinged for me. I do not believe in claiming when there is the slightest bit of pressure on you-IMO you should claim when Town is absolutely relentless on a mislynch.

 

 

 

Well, it's a fine line there. If you claim when you are at L-1 30 min before deadline, we'll prob. go to no-lynch (again) with no-one having time to CC or start another thread. 

 

Plus, I'm not sure if I buy your explanation that you "forgot about the game", while at the same time softly hinting at a PR. 

[Krakalakachkn]

Yeah that wasn't a soft hint.

[Xthrax]

 

 

 

Why exactly do you need me to claim? If I claim my role, I'll be a easy target for mafia to kill that night. And that is completely anti-town, because it easily provides them with an easy target. If it is at L-1 fine, but I'd like to see your reasoning.

 

[...]

 

There are now 6 hours before deadline. That's plenty of time for Hallia to come, defend herself and pick it up. I know she has claimed, but there is still stuff to be done.

 

Incidentally that is one thing, thats pinged for me. I do not believe in claiming when there is the slightest bit of pressure on you-IMO you should claim when Town is absolutely relentless on a mislynch.

 

 

 

Well, it's a fine line there. If you claim when you are at L-1 30 min before deadline, we'll prob. go to no-lynch (again) with no-one having time to CC or start another thread. 

 

Plus, I'm not sure if I buy your explanation that you "forgot about the game", while at the same time softly hinting at a PR. 

 

 

Indeed it's a fine line. But Vos, if I do reveal-its an easy kill for mafia 'cause they have a claimed townie. Indeed, that is why I asked Hallia to do something. If she defends or doesn't it won't have to come to that situation

 

Well that's what happened. 

[Xthrax]

Yeah that wasn't a soft hint.

Huh?

[Krakalakachkn]

Hallia should check in on her lunch break. She usually doesn't get any time to play during the day otherwise.

[BFG]

???

[Tyler Glembo]

X, the reason that you claim a day before DL is to give people a chance to see it and react.  Doing it right before DL only makes it impossible for town to have a chance to weigh your claim and make an informed decision about it. 

[Krakalakachkn]

Wut?

[Tyler Glembo]

In for the lulz.

[Xthrax]

X, the reason that you claim a day before DL is to give people a chance to see it and react.  Doing it right before DL only makes it impossible for town to have a chance to weigh your claim and make an informed decision about it. 

 

I get that. What I also think is that, if you claim when you are not the lynch for the day and night rolls around-there is a confirmed target for mafia which they will pick off.

 

I guess Hallia's lunch break would be around now or 2 or so if she's living in the US. If she has a solid case or hasn't responded to anything after an hour or so. I will claim

[nervositee]

 

X, the reason that you claim a day before DL is to give people a chance to see it and react.  Doing it right before DL only makes it impossible for town to have a chance to weigh your claim and make an informed decision about it. 

 

I get that. What I also think is that, if you claim when you are not the lynch for the day and night rolls around-there is a confirmed target for mafia which they will pick off.

 

I guess Hallia's lunch break would be around now or 2 or so if she's living in the US. If she has a solid case or hasn't responded to anything after an hour or so. I will claim

 

 

You know that by this point, you have more or less already claimed a super-power-role, right? 

[Hallia]

Its 11 am, on my phone, lunch in 2 hrs. X's retort and soft claim stinks to high heaven.

 

Town read on bfg, tg, Dap and nerve.

 

Scummy on x and guessing last one on one of those left

[Pralaya]

I don't think either Hallia or X is scum. I have given my reasoning on X before. Hallia has sheeped blatantly this game. But, she is more careful when she is scum. Not a fan of either of the lynches. 

 

Anyway, the deadline is like 3 AM my time. I will be fast asleep. Between the two, I would consolidate on Hallia but that would have to happen in like 1 hour before I go to sleep..

[BFG]

Pral, who are your reads.