[Advanced] Catching Fire mafia - Game over!

[Verbal32]

In a game that includes just a single survivor, however, it makes a lot of sense for a survivor to claim "survivor" (and not town). Thus, when someone claims town, that's not null anymore. See what I'm getting at? Note that it's the most basic and simple example, in advanced/experimental games things might get much more complicated.

 

No.  On DM, we've shown that we lynch survivor claims a lot.  Just because somebody won as survivor recently does not mean it is a play that consistently works.  Most of the time, a 3rd party claims gets you killed.

 

You're just arguing for the sake of it, now.

[csarmi]

>>I<< am arguing for the sake of it?

 

That's rich.

[Verbal32]

You imply I argue for the sake of it.  Which....would be a ridiculous argument coming from you.

[csarmi]

I think I've made my stance pretty clear about what claims mean and how they're different. Also that in advanced/experimental games you shouldn't take things (like some kind of claims being null) for granted.

 

I'm not interested in arguing at all.

 

I don't care much for Darthe's deliberate misrepping and spreading misinformation though.

[csarmi]

You imply I argue for the sake of it.  Which....would be a ridiculous argument coming from you.

Well... what are you argoing for - or what are you arguing about?

[Verbal32]

Somebody give me a pencil.

[csarmi]

Well, I leave you alone with your.

Pencil.

 

Good night.

[Verbal32]

Is this where you post 14 more times after the goodnight post?

[Lenlo]

 

In a game that includes just a single survivor, however, it makes a lot of sense for a survivor to claim "survivor" (and not town). Thus, when someone claims town, that's not null anymore. See what I'm getting at? Note that it's the most basic and simple example, in advanced/experimental games things might get much more complicated.

 

 

No.  On DM, we've shown that we lynch survivor claims a lot.  Just because somebody won as survivor recently does not mean it is a play that consistently works.  Most of the time, a 3rd party claims gets you killed.

 

You're just arguing for the sake of it, now.

This is correct. I've only seen... 3 or 4 instances of a survivor claim not getting lynched on the spot in the entire time I've played here and I was playing the survivor for one of those.

 

Also 5% is not common. It's actually pretty uncommon.

[monk2310]

Alright, I was affected when the bell tolled 9. I became lynchproof for 24 hours.

 

I disagree with Len that everyone should come up and tell what happened to them. Players can make their own judgement call on whether to reveal based on the ability and go ahead with it. In my case, it is better that the town knows that some people may get the lynchproof ability and act accordingly.

 

That said, I think Darthe had got a similar ability which could be the reason why he claimed what he said. 

 

I disagree very much with this. Think about it, its only for twenty-four hours. What happens after that?

 

Also, why would you claim that if you are town, even if you are lynchproof? If you aren't mafia, you are purposely misleading town by claiming that.

 

I really don't see why a townie would claim scum. It's just I don't see why a mafioso would do it either.

 

I never try to sound smart Verb, I just talk as I talk, but I acknowledge that it does get me killed a fair bit.

 

Hahaha, we agree to disagree here.  I think you beef up posts with nice vocab words sometimes.  I imagine you sitting there with your cappuccino, leafing through a thesaurus and trying to find the perfect word to fit your pretty sentence.

 

 

 

Yes, you might find it weird that I thought of that.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, I think so too.

 

Yeah, I kind of caught a bit of snootiness coming from Darthe's posts. Is that common for him?

[Darthe]

Yes.  Welcome to me.

 

I'm better than you.

 

Have I confirmed your beliefs of me yet?  

[nervositee]

Will someone wake me up when you are done with the off-topic "how-to-play-mafia"-bickering and people start playing again? 

 

Claiming alignment is null, no matter what, especially day 1. 

 

Leave it at that? 

 

I'm happy with my vote on Darthe, because diverting attention away from gameplay and onto a game-unspecific discussion that he knew people would jump on is anti-town.

 

Claiming scum while being scum, null or not, would be so stupid no-one would think of anyone doing it. Might be a double-win for Darthe both seeming town AND diverting attention. 

 

Rest of the scum-team is probably inactives at this point. 

[wheeloftime13]

I swear, day 1 is used for frying people's brains...

 

so if Darthe also got the lynchproof ability with the bell toll, then it seems a likely possibility that everyone or maybe a little over half the people get the same thing...

 

i agree with darthe on the null claim...however, it is not a null claim if it is somehow proven (and even then, there could be a mafia counter role for those who check people... and the counter role is only 1 out of a bunch of people), and on day 1, there's no way to prove anything unless you have a day role (ex. day vig)...

 

and more than likely, tomorrow will be the same although you might be inclined to believe them depending on if you feel they are town based on their play or not

[nervositee]

 

so if Darthe also got the lynchproof ability with the bell toll, then it seems a likely possibility that everyone or maybe a little over half the people get the same thing...

 

 

I'm under the impression you are only lynchproof while in the active zone?

[Darthe]

Claiming alignment is null, no matter what, especially day 1. 

 

 

I'm happy with my vote on Darthe, because diverting attention away from gameplay and onto a game-unspecific discussion that he knew people would jump on is anti-town.

 

Wut?  The claim is null but the effects of the claim are scummy and my fault?

 

 

i agree with darthe on the null claim...however, it is not a null claim if it is somehow proven 

 

Obviously.

 

I agree that mafia isn't going to be too active atm.  This was intended to garner reactions and all it has done is shown that Salami doesn't have a firm grasp on inference and math.

[Darthe]

 

 

so if Darthe also got the lynchproof ability with the bell toll, then it seems a likely possibility that everyone or maybe a little over half the people get the same thing...

 

 

I'm under the impression you are only lynchproof while in the active zone?

 

 

I was too, and I also thought that different zones had different effects.  

[wheeloftime13]

that's what I meant... all the people in that zone is what I was talking about... not everyone in the game..

[wheeloftime13]

what I was saying was that depending on the time zone, then whatever reaction it causes, then its possible that the people in that zone get it... I understand that different zones have different effects...

[nervositee]

 

Claiming alignment is null, no matter what, especially day 1. 

 

 

I'm happy with my vote on Darthe, because diverting attention away from gameplay and onto a game-unspecific discussion that he knew people would jump on is anti-town.

 

Wut?  The claim is null but the effects of the claim are scummy and my fault?

 

 

Well, you have to admit all it has done for now is divert attention. I understand you might have wanted to garner reactions, but what did you expect? "Hah! You're lying! I'm mafia and you're not in my team, so you must be lying"?

[Darthe]

I expected reactions and attention.  I don't see how you can blame me for it though as it isn't something that warrants blame.  It is the direction of the game.  That would be like blaming me because we have a countdown until night.

[Lenlo]

I expected reactions and attention.  I don't see how you can blame me for it though as it isn't something that warrants blame.  It is the direction of the game.  That would be like blaming me because we have a countdown until night.

He can blame you for it because it was a completely random. artificial direction created by you. If you hadnt made such an outrageous weird claim then we would be in a completely different situation. Personally I dont care we have picked up and im glad for it. 

[amegakure]

 

Claiming alignment is null, no matter what, especially day 1. 

 

 

I'm happy with my vote on Darthe, because diverting attention away from gameplay and onto a game-unspecific discussion that he knew people would jump on is anti-town.

 

Wut?  The claim is null but the effects of the claim are scummy and my fault?

 

 

i agree with darthe on the null claim...however, it is not a null claim if it is somehow proven 

 

Obviously.

 

I agree that mafia isn't going to be too active atm.  This was intended to garner reactions and all it has done is shown that Salami doesn't have a firm grasp on inference and math.

 

So im not saying your wrong here but your kinda coming off as a D&*k. 

 

Will someone wake me up when you are done with the off-topic "how-to-play-mafia"-bickering and people start playing again? 

 

Claiming alignment is null, no matter what, especially day 1. 

 

Leave it at that? 

 

I'm happy with my vote on Darthe, because diverting attention away from gameplay and onto a game-unspecific discussion that he knew people would jump on is anti-town.

 

Claiming scum while being scum, null or not, would be so stupid no-one would think of anyone doing it. Might be a double-win for Darthe both seeming town AND diverting attention. 

 

Rest of the scum-team is probably inactives at this point. 

What makes you think they are inactive.. 

[michellem]

 

Official vote count

 

Dice (1): TG

TG (1): Krak

Darthe (1): Vos

 

Not voting: Amega, Darthe, Csarmi, Xthrax, Pral, Monk, Dap, Verb, Krak, Time, Dice, Hallia, Lenlo, Rhea.

 

A deadline is now in effect http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140306T0001&p0=1375&msg=End+of+Day+1

[michellem]

The bell tolls nine times. You hear two screams.

[Darthe]

 

 

Claiming alignment is null, no matter what, especially day 1. 

 

 

I'm happy with my vote on Darthe, because diverting attention away from gameplay and onto a game-unspecific discussion that he knew people would jump on is anti-town.

 

Wut?  The claim is null but the effects of the claim are scummy and my fault?

 

 

i agree with darthe on the null claim...however, it is not a null claim if it is somehow proven 

 

Obviously.

 

I agree that mafia isn't going to be too active atm.  This was intended to garner reactions and all it has done is shown that Salami doesn't have a firm grasp on inference and math.

 

So im not saying your wrong here but your kinda coming off as a D&*k. 

 

 

If pointing out holes in logic, pushing cases and attempting to figure out peoples statements makes me a jerk then I will be a jerk.  My popularity is not something that I value much except as a moderator.