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[WWWwombat]

Okay went digging

 

Des looks really paranoid on a readthrough, salami looks sloppy and emotional as hell and I see mish going back to the mediator thingshe does. I would lynch any of them.

 

 

Good lookin' Darthe.  WIM

 

So TG's post came directly after the one above from Darthe- Darthe had lobbed a few pretty bad fos's, so TG saying Darthe had displayed WIM there is pretty gross.

 

HOWEVER.

 

Tommy look at this exchange and tell me this isn't just boldfaced scummery from Darthe.

 

 

You would lynch me for wanting this game not to end up like Machine of Souls almost did? Good thinking Darthe.

 

Three things wrong with this.  

 

1) I would lynch you for attempting to mediate.  That isn't a town action, it is the action of someone attempting to fake being town.  I can explain this in more detail if needed.

2) Town won machine of souls and that is an entirely different scenario where we both knew who the mafia was and we all HAD to cooperate to win so we couldn't test the waters like we can here, making this argument logical fallacy at best and manipulative at worst.

3) This reads like a passive aggressive WHYME FRYME.  So with that in mind unvote vote Mish

 

 

So here Darthe votes Mish (keep track of the timestamps for this and the next couple of posts)

 

I'm not trying to mediate Darthe; I'm trying to tell them both to shut the fudge up about whatever issues it seems they have between them, so we can have a fun game that doesn't get affected by it. I'm here to play mafia, not watch quarreling.

 

And I said ALMOST. There was a good while in Machine of Souls I had absolutley no hope we'd make it, because several people were refusing to co-operate. It almost ruined the fun of the game for me then, and I didn't want this game to be the same.

 

Here's Mish's defense

 

I don't agree with your thoughts Mish but you being wrong doesn't make you scummy.  Unvote vote Des 

 

And just a bit later, Darthe unvotes in his very next post. Says she is wrong but not scummy. WHOA @ THAT INSTANT BACKTRACK.

 

Don't agree that Despo vs csarmi was staged. Looked like pretty normal razzing to me. Mish trying to play it off as personal attacks pings, especially since she knows Des well.

 

unvote

vote mish

 

A little while later Womby votes Mish...

 

I actually think not Womby.  I no longer trust scum tells here because the town/scummy behavior ratio is approaching 1:1.  You may as well play random and have fun mate, it won't matter.  

 

Even ignoring the nihilism presented above Mish is not worth the vote atm.  She may become so if I see a bit more heat for voting her then removing it.

 

... which prompts Darthe to instantly come to defend her.

 

 

So Darthe votes Mish, unvotes her instantly after she defends herself once, then in his next post is defending her. Blatantly scummy.

 

Even worse, LOOK AT THIS WORDING:

 

Mish is not worth the vote atm.  She may become so if I see a bit more heat for voting her then removing it.

That's just SUCH an incredibly scummy thing to say. If he gets more heat for unvoting her he might put his vote back on her?

 

Just turrible.

 

 

This is your original "case" Despo.  You mentioned the backtrack aspect twice.  You mentioned the heat aspect at the end and bolded the quote.  That's pretty much equal prominence in my eyes.  So how you get off ignoring my criticism of half of your argument and painting it as me ignoring you, I don't know.

[WWWwombat]

I retract my town read on Turin. Add him to the list of wolves.

 

Also, if you could elaborate on this, that would be nice.  Because right now, it just looks like knee-jerk retaliation.

[amegakure]

she did! It was a Turrrrible analysis of her she said

[hazelkrs1]

Amega youre now added to my hate list. For the last time, IMA DOOD you numbskull.

 

If you refer to me as female one more time, I will literally spend the rest of my entire mafia career ensuring you die as quickly as possible in every game. I can only assume you are doing so to try to get under my skin cause Darthe told you in scumchat if you get under my skin it throws me off my game. It won't work.

 

Wombat, you are straight up deliberately obfuscating.

[hazelkrs1]

 

(edited out case because of too many nested quotes, if you wanna see it again just click on the top right corner)

This is your original "case" Despo.  You mentioned the backtrack aspect twice.  You mentioned the heat aspect at the end and bolded the quote.  That's pretty much equal prominence in my eyes.  So how you get off ignoring my criticism of half of your argument and painting it as me ignoring you, I don't know.

 

lololololol

 

First of all, you're BLATANTLY wrong that that was my original case on Darthe. What you quoted was basically the summary of the slip I found on Darthe for Tommy's sake. I included the part about Darthe backtracking to help give him the context it came in.

 

If you ACTUALLY read my posts, you'd see that there has been one thing I've constantly brought up and referenced in my view on Darthe. Let's take a gander!

 

 

I actually think not Womby. I no longer trust scum tells here because the town/scummy behavior ratio is approaching 1:1. You may as well play random and have fun mate, it won't matter.

 

Even ignoring the nihilism presented above Mish is not worth the vote atm. She may become so if I see a bit more heat for voting her then removing it.

What what WHAT?

 

That's like the scummiest thing Ive ever heard you say Day 1.

 

And you're Darthe.

 

Unvote, Vote Darthe

 

Here's where I originally caught the slip. If you look carefully, you'll notice I make no mention of him backtracking on Mish.

 

 

 

 

I actually think not Womby. I no longer trust scum tells here because the town/scummy behavior ratio is approaching 1:1. You may as well play random and have fun mate, it won't matter.

 

Even ignoring the nihilism presented above Mish is not worth the vote atm. She may become so if I see a bit more heat for voting her then removing it.

What what WHAT?

 

That's like the scummiest thing Ive ever heard you say Day 1.

 

And you're Darthe.

 

Unvote, Vote Darthe

 

 

It isn't "scummy" if you find it odd, you simply find it illogical or disagree with it.  So state that first, because if you can't argue against the intrinsic value of the statement then you don't understand it and if you don't understand it you can't weigh it for value.  

 

It's ridiculously scummy that you say if you start getting more heat then you might have to put your vote back on Mish.

 

That's just... I don't even know how you think that would be okay to say in a mafia game. As town, your vote goes to where you think the best chance of catching scum is, unless you're doing a trap vote or something. Something NO townie should EVER be concerned with is putting their vote somewhere in an attempt to lower suspicion on them.

 

That is just a blatantly scummy motivation for moving your vote. Like, how can you even defend that?

 

Here's where I explain the slip to Darthe. Again, no mention of the backtracking.

 

Dr. House, can you think of any way Darthe could be town after such a slip like that?

(edited out gif and schtuffs)

 

I once again mention the slip, and again don't bring up Darthe backtracking.

 

 

Even ignoring the nihilism presented above Mish is not worth the vote atm.  She may become so if I see a bit more heat for voting her then removing it.

Darthe, please explain this statement.  Just the bold.

 

Here's Peace pretty much seeing the same thing I am.

 

 

 

 

Even ignoring the nihilism presented above Mish is not worth the vote atm.  She may become so if I see a bit more heat for voting her then removing it.

Darthe, please explain this statement.  Just the bold.

 

I think I know what he was getting at with that line but if he wants to clarify that would be alright. If I am right tho I could see how he might not want to just yet.

 

Either way I am leaning more town on Darthe despite his overuse of big words.

 

 

that Despo is convinced that it is a blatant slip is troubling. Add in the CS thing and I'm thinking that he is likely mafia. 

 

VOTE DESPO

 

Here's Turin acknowledging it, but he seems to think he knows Darthe's motives for saying it. Notice how he doesn't put words in Darthe's mouth tho, like you do?

 

 

 

Even ignoring the nihilism presented above Mish is not worth the vote atm.  She may become so if I see a bit more heat for voting her then removing it.

Darthe, please explain this statement.  Just the bold.

 

 

This,

 

In fact give me a minute

 

Here's BFG seeing it as well.

 

 

I actually think not Womby.  I no longer trust scum tells here because the town/scummy behavior ratio is approaching 1:1.  You may as well play random and have fun mate, it won't matter.  

 

Even ignoring the nihilism presented above Mish is not worth the vote atm.  She may become so if I see a bit more heat for voting her then removing it.

Unlike Turin, I don't understand this.

 

 It is.  Linking is valid, people just misuse it because they don't know how to read and critically analyze.  It is generally misplaced titling of interaction.  Real linking is a logical form of conjecture and must apply to situations rather than people.  I recognized that she believed her words and that lessened my suspicion to the point that I did not think it warranted a vote.  Whether or not her responses are or, in this case, aren't satisfactory is secondary to the way that she says them.  Simply stated I read her post as being very genuine and mafia are not genuine.

 

This seems to explain the unvote, not the catching heat thing?

 

And here's BFG pointing out that Darthe didn't explain the catching heat thing in the post you said he did.

 

 

It's ridiculously scummy that you say if you start getting more heat then you might have to put your vote back on Mish.

That's just... I don't even know how you think that would be okay to say in a mafia game. As town, your vote goes to where you think the best chance of catching scum is, unless you're doing a trap vote or something. Something NO townie should EVER be concerned with is putting their vote somewhere in an attempt to lower suspicion on them.

yea. I agree with you here and elsewhere. Just showing the suppost

 

Here's Dap agreeing with me about the slip

 

Apparently logic now ewuals psychobabble to the ignorant Dezpothera

 

So now, after a few people have agreed with me that Darthe slipped, instead of trying to explain himself, Darthe just launches a personal attack against me.

 

(and YES, this WAS a personal attack)

 

I agree with Des that the statement from Darthe warrentls looking at. I'd like to hear an explanation from Darthe s well on it. 

 

Here's Kaylee agreeing that the post from Darthe deserves an explanation.

 

As for Darthe, that dude is megascummy. Instead of explaining his slip, or even addressing it whatsoever, he takes a cheap shot at me and tries buddying Tommy. I think he's thirsty for more votes on him.

 

Here's me restating my feelings on him in one of my wots, you can check back if you like- I never mentioned the backtracking. But I again reference the slip.

 

Imma check that out for context and find the slip I found from Darthe, see what you think

 

And then here's the post preceding the "original case" you quoted which was really just me summarizing the case on Darthe.

 

---

 

All of these came BEFORE the case you quoted of mine. And again and again I made reference to the slip, but the ONLY time I actually mentioned the backtracking was in that summary for Tommy.

 

So tell me again how the backtracking thing was of equal prominence in my case on Darthe.

 

 

And notice how Peace, BFG, Dap, and Kaylee all agreed that the slip seemed very questionable and that Darthe should explain? Turin was the ONLY one besides yourself to reference the slip and act like it wasn't a big deal.

 

So if I'm crazy for thinking it scummy, or scummy for thinking it scummy, then apparently you must find all those people scummy too. Eh?

[hazelkrs1]

 

I retract my town read on Turin. Add him to the list of wolves.

 

Also, if you could elaborate on this, that would be nice.  Because right now, it just looks like knee-jerk retaliation.

 

Oh and I forgot about this - Before, when Turin had finally caught up, he mentioned a couple of people - Salami and myself. But then after disappearing for a while, he comes back with this long and detailed post only about me, that was FULL of misreps (he summarized my cases on pretty much every person wrongly). I feel like he himself might be trying to mask his meta by just tunneling me yet again.

 

Town Turin will pretty much always suspect me, but will at least mention other people more regularly. Scum Turin isn't afraid to just tunnel me and try to get me lynched early on. Gotta call him out on that kind of behavior.

[keyholder21]

Sorry I wasn't around much this weekend, was pretty busy.  Luckily I had a lovely comod to handle things.

 

I'm back now though

 

 

MODS, did you ask TG to delete his post? I saw that they asked Despo to remove the profanity thingy that replaced his gif(another good reason to spoiler the things)

 

 

No, we didn't. 

[keyholder21]

Official Vote Count:
 
Darthe (3) - Despo, Kaylee, Peace
Despo (4) - Darthe. Turin, Wombat, Amega
TG (5) - Mish, Tommy, Leno, AJ, Hallia
Lenlo (1) - TG
 
Not Voting (3) -  Dap, BFG, Pral
 
With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

 

 

Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140226T21&p0=70&msg=End+of+Day+1

[keyholder21]

Yeah dude that show was great.

 

Also Turin I don't see post deleting as within the confines of an edit.  Perhaps I am wrong though, it is the mod's rules.  But then waht is to stop me from posting something like "go to this link if you're town and we can privately chat, Turin" and then deleting it?

Because:

 

* Do not discuss the game outside of the game thread, except for your PM thread and your mod-provided QT if you have one.

Do NOT post a link like that. When you subscribe to a thread, you get email notifications, so I will see it at least - not sure if Tress is subscribed or not.

 

As also stated in the rules, editing is allowed. If you want to edit your entire post away, then that's your decision, but you will probably (as TG is) draw flack for it and all those subscribed will see it anyway.

[WWWwombat]

Please recall that I had to catch up on multiple pages at once.  I responded to what stood out to me.

 

 

Then you came with this:

 

I agree that most of the stuff you called fluff wasn't really fluff... but Wombat still disappointed me somewhat.

 

@Wombat: Explain why you think I'm most likely to be scum atm. You said I posted a gif instead of casing Darthe, but I obviously did. I even linked it again for Darthe recently. Did you miss it? I can link it for you as well

 

Telling me look for the case you linked.

 

 

 
Here you go Darthe, I'll be a pal and link it for you!

 

 

 

Here is you linking said case.  The link leads to the same post I quoted.

 

 

You are full of poop.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

I retract my town read on Turin. Add him to the list of wolves.

 

Also, if you could elaborate on this, that would be nice.  Because right now, it just looks like knee-jerk retaliation.

 

Oh and I forgot about this - Before, when Turin had finally caught up, he mentioned a couple of people - Salami and myself. But then after disappearing for a while, he comes back with this long and detailed post only about me, that was FULL of misreps (he summarized my cases on pretty much every person wrongly). I feel like he himself might be trying to mask his meta by just tunneling me yet again.

 

Town Turin will pretty much always suspect me, but will at least mention other people more regularly. Scum Turin isn't afraid to just tunnel me and try to get me lynched early on. Gotta call him out on that kind of behavior.

 

 

I'll keep this in mind if you flip town.

[WWWwombat]

Otherwise, I don't trust anything you say.

[Pralaya]

 

 

Fishing, Wombat?

Are you scum?

 

I'm town. I win with town. That's the only way I can win.

 

 

Fishing, Wombat?

Are you scum?

 

Why do you ask me in particular?

 

Just curious.

Why so serious?

So so contrived

That whole interaction feels hollow

 

Contrived? No. Pointless? Maybe.

It was at a time when the game was not even properly started. Although, it is good that you pointed it out. Getting a town feel on you.

 

Most of the people went for the easy-prey Csarmi.

Des did. TGlems did, although he deleted that post, I think.

 

Darthe and Amega went after Des though, for similar responses.

 

I bet a couple of scum are lying in these names.

[michellem]

Morals aren't a good way to bet away a game.  I agree with you, but it seems unlikely.

 

Also... you guys actually follow threads and get email notifications?

 

Nope. Can't deal with thousands of email flooding my inbox.

 

 

 

I have already said why I thought his moves were scummy. It looked like he had more information than the rest of us; I'm not taking into consideration that you guys are saying it's about another ongoing game; I don't know what you're talking about, AND since using ongoing games is a big no-no and I don't think TG would do that, I still think he had too much information. Then he started getting attention for it, and someone else in the thread game him the excuse to use that it was about another game. And these things I already explained in my original post and you trying to make it seem like I didn't give any explanation... Not liking it, Des.

 

A vague game in SG some time ago. Nice. Real hard-hitting argument there.

 

Bold: TG admitted that he did so Mish. Nice try white-knighting him as a person while still saying you think he's scum.

 

 

I brought in something from another game, which is outside the spirit of mafia.  I apologize for that (especially to CS) and don't want it to interfere with either game, so I deleted the post you are both referring to. 

 

Right here. And oh look, who's the very next person to post after him?

 

*facepalm*

 

I do hope you asked the mods for permission before doing that.

 

 

Yeah.... not looking good for you Mish.

 

So you are the very next one to post after TG SAID he brought something from another game and that it was outside of the spirit of mafia, and yet now you're trying to act all noble in your view of him - "I don't think TG would do that".

 

So were you not reading his posts? Cause right now you look INCREDIBLY scummy and opportunistic in regards to TG- you want to act like you still suspect him even tho you unvoted, and you say you don't think he would bring something in from another game... even tho you were the first to respond AFTER he straight up admitted to doing so.

 

Pretty tempted to vote you as well.

 

 

 

How about the fact TG was posting and being happy from after he made his post, until he started getting heat for it, Then suddenly he felt awful bad about and removed it after he got heat for it and then said it was because he'd used something from outside this game. Since I have no way of knowing if that is true, I'm gonna treat it as gameplay. Just like I would if someone made a suspect post and then the day after, after getting said, said "oh I was drinking yesterday I don't even remember writing that lol". If it's in this thread, it's gamepplay and I will think what I will of it. I don't think TG would do something like that; I think it's easier to try and blame it on bad form and try to escape the heat. And even if his first post was about something outside this game... Why remove the whole thing when getting heat instead of just saying "yeah, my bad, I messed up". Removing it looks really, really bad, and if you can't see that, well that's your problem.

 

 

And lol, I didn't unvote. My vote is still on him mister.

 

Your continued defense of him and hounding of me over it is duely noted though ;) As is you wiggling away from trying to find proper proof about me "hiding behind AtE" when you accuse me of it.

 

Sorely tempted to move my vote over to you now. And I guess you'll use that as the ultimate proof of that I'm mafia, since everyone who FoS'es you this game has ended up on your mafia list.

[Pralaya]

Speaking of which how many people has Des voted already?

Turin. Joke vote.

Checking in!

Vote Turin

Cause he's prob already tunneling me.

Early fishing vote
 

Bolded=buddying. First actual ping of the game. Let's start here.

Unvote, Vote Wombat

Scummy csarmi vote
 

 

My opinion is that when you're town, you tend to hurt town more than help it.

 
1. Coming from you, this is freaking hilarious. There's a reason your play gets compared to EP and Ley a bunch.
 
2. Just wildly untrue. I almost never lose as town, and when I do it's usually cause I was NK'ed early.
 

4. I don't even think you believe this.
 
Unvote, Vote Fishlami.

 

OMGUS amega vote
 

I'm FAR more often town than scum. It must be Darthe or Cloud you're thinking of, those dudes are ALWAYS mafia.
 
And you just started playing again after like, a year hiatus. Small sample size alert?
 
Also could be fake imo. Plus it's a nudge. Me no likee nudges.
 
Vote Amega.

A reasoned vote on Darthe
 

What what WHAT?

That's like the scummiest thing Ive ever heard you say Day 1.

And you're Darthe.

Unvote, Vote Darthe

Not to mention hundreds of nudges in between.

He isn't town. Nope.

vote Des

[Pralaya]

 

 

 

Lol tom you may as well read this. Youll have a field day

 

Hehe buddying Tommy eh? How surprising. You want him to rescue you out of the hole you're in, dontcha?

 

Okay Tommy you are LOCK CLEAR

 

 

And thank you or reminding me about Pray. Yeah that interaction between him and Salami looks bad for both of them. Pretty sure there's at least one scum in there, possibly two if it was a weak distance attempt.

 

Anyone else seeing the irony?

[Pralaya]

I have a lot of problems so far

1) Scumlaya is basically ignoring the thread events outright

 

 

Nothing new here. I was inactive on the weekend like I am all weekend.

[keyholder21]

 

Morals aren't a good way to bet away a game.  I agree with you, but it seems unlikely.

 

Also... you guys actually follow threads and get email notifications?

 

Nope. Can't deal with thousands of email flooding my inbox.

 

You can choose to have it send you updates only once a day, if you want. That way you still get original posts, but it doesn't flood your inbox.

[keyholder21]

Official Vote Count:
 
Darthe (3) - Despo, Kaylee, Peace
Despo (5) - Darthe. Turin, Wombat, Amega, Pral
TG (5) - Mish, Tommy, Leno, AJ, Hallia
Lenlo (1) - TG
 
Not Voting (2) -  Dap, BFG
 
With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

 

 

Deadline: http://www.timeandda...sg=End of Day 1

[Tyler Glembo]

 

Pral's joke? Was that supposed to be a joke? They went back and forth like 5 times and he hasn't done anything substantive.

 

 

As to Pral, now he's back so why don't you ask him if he was joking around or not?   In fact, Pral, were you joking around when  you asked CS if he was town?

 

 

Peace, Turin, Mish, Wombat, Amega, BFG lock town.

 

Des, Len, one of TG/AJ lock scum.

 

The rest of you need to step your game up.  

 

You may as well go ahead and bookmark this post for endgame.  

 

Care to explain any of those reads? 

 

 

Darthe - The whole Mish comment made no sense at all, and neither have his retorts.  One of my top two scum reads.

TG - My other top scum pick.  Said he'd call out Despo if his play wasn't consistent, but reading through Des seems fine to me, then he engaged in more sniping at  people, and voted Darthe, then his silly OMGSUS vote on Len was just awful.

 

Anyone not listed I haven't been able to get a real opinion on.  Be happy to switch between the two.

 

 

 

 

 

Bolded is gross.  First Hally basically repeats what has already been said and then she says she'll happily help lynch whoever. 

 

 

MODS, did you ask TG to delete his post? I saw that they asked Despo to remove the profanity thingy that replaced his gif(another good reason to spoiler the things)

 

 

No, they didn't ask me to.

 

Salami - I don't care about him claiming town, claiming town is null obv in mafia, and even more so in Salami's case since he does so every game right when he joins usually. What I called him out about was his LD response to a simple "Are you town?" question.

 

 

Go back through and check every single one of CSarmi's games.  He has never once early claimed town as scum that I've ever seen.  However, when he is town, he has done it often.  From anybody else, I'd take it with a grain of salt, but not from him with his history.

[Darthe]

Des used the word inextricably.

 

Des, stop using big words to try and look smart. If it has more than five letters you shouldnt say it.

[Darthe]

And he used obfuscating!

 

Omg so scummy. He is clearly trying to talk over our heads and look intelligent to make us think we need him.

 

So scummy.

 

So very scummy.

[Tyler Glembo]

And he used obfuscating!

 

Omg so scummy. He is clearly trying to talk over our heads and look intelligent to make us think we need him.

 

So scummy.

 

So very scummy.

 

Darthe, when players are passive-aggressive and use it to try and discredit someone's case rather than responding to it, would you view that as scummy?

[Tyler Glembo]

Because that is what you're doing and it pings.

[Darthe]

Speaking of which how many people has Des voted already?

 

Turin. Joke vote.

Checking in!

 

Vote Turin

 

Cause he's prob already tunneling me.

 

Early fishing vote

Bolded=buddying. First actual ping of the game. Let's start here.

 

Unvote, Vote Wombat

Scummy csarmi vote

 

My opinion is that when you're town, you tend to hurt town more than help it.

1. Coming from you, this is freaking hilarious. There's a reason your play gets compared to EP and Ley a bunch.

 

2. Just wildly untrue. I almost never lose as town, and when I do it's usually cause I was NK'ed early.

 

 

4. I don't even think you believe this.

 

Unvote, Vote Fishlami.

OMGUS amega vote

I'm FAR more often town than scum. It must be Darthe or Cloud you're thinking of, those dudes are ALWAYS mafia.

 

And you just started playing again after like, a year hiatus. Small sample size alert?

 

Also could be fake imo. Plus it's a nudge. Me no likee nudges.

 

Vote Amega.

A reasoned vote on Darthe

What what WHAT?

 

That's like the scummiest thing Ive ever heard you say Day 1.

 

And you're Darthe.

 

Unvote, Vote Darthe

Not to mention hundreds of nudges in between.

 

He isn't town. Nope.

 

vote Des

We got a bus vote over here