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[Darthe]

Tommy I'm not carrying over drama from outside the game. Darthe continuously disrespected me THIS game and went personal, even tho I never did.

 

I called you ignorant, a word you seem to be ignorant of the meaning of.  

 

Sorry if that upsets you.

[hazelkrs1]

Well Des I really hope you bring that same enthusiasm and self-starterish-ness to attempting to vig me.

Self-starterish-ness?

 

 

And you and Pray BOTH seem to be confident my vig shot won't hit. So your team DOES have a RBer, huh?

[BFG]

Just quickly, Halloa is there any reason why Des got included with your list of reads instead of being left in the null pile with the others?

[Tyler Glembo]

EBWOP: @Tommy: Not sure yet about Hallia.  I think she is sliding, but I don't think that makes her scummy yet, especially not in a game that moves as quickly as this one.  I'd say we push her to give specificopinions for a day or two and it should become much clearer.

[BFG]

Ebwop Hallia not halloa, stupid auto correct :(

[Tyler Glembo]

Jeebus, triple ninja'd.

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

Tommy I'm not carrying over drama from outside the game. Darthe continuously disrespected me THIS game and went personal, even tho I never did.

I called you ignorant, a word you seem to be ignorant of the meaning of.

 

Sorry if that upsets you.

You called me ignorant. Didn't say what I might be ignorant of, just that I was ignorant.

 

I am NOT ignorant of the meaning of it in the context you used. It was a personal attack man. And your lame duck apology won't help you.

[Darthe]

Thankfully I don't need help.

[Hallia]

I nearly always have a town read on him.  It's hard, because he posts so much, and his posts pretty much always sound sensible to me.

[Tommyrod]

EBWOP: @Tommy: Not sure yet about Hallia. I think she is sliding, but I don't think that makes her scummy yet, especially not in a game that moves as quickly as this one. I'd say we push her to give specificopinions for a day or two and it should become much clearer.

Noted. Please keep me abreast of the situation. You're in charge of that. Anyone else pinging you recently that you haven't mentioned? What can you tell me about Amega?

[Tommyrod]

Just quickly, Halloa is there any reason why Des got included with your list of reads instead of being left in the null pile with the others?

I don't think I've played with you since that game Salami hosted. I remember you as level headed. Top scum suspects as of right now?

[Darthe]

Hey Tom!  Let's chat?

 

I would like to talk Wombat and Lenlo with you.

[Tommyrod]

Hey Tom! Let's chat?

 

I would like to talk Wombat and Lenlo with you.

Drop some heavy on me br0.

[BFG]

Right now Pral and Turin. But I've only skimmed so far, am rereading now and will pull out why as I go.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

AJ didn't call Des scummy in that post

 

He said the opposite

 

Learn2read

 

(Typo)

Effect is often more important than expressed intent. Learn2ReadBetween.

Explain this one when you come back

 

 

AJ's vote had the effect of removing momentum from TG and possibly adding it to Des.  All while he wasn't voting Des and seems to be town-reading him.  When votes and motives don't match up like that, I tend to think scum.

 

 

Tommy, You asked about why I find AJ's unvote of Tglems suspicious. 

 

Well, I placed my vote on Tglems and that put him at 6, which I consider the danger zone for a lynch.  If AJ was bussing earlier or voting his team mate earlier as a distancing move for later game play then removing his vote at this time is a team mate saving move.

 

So, it is suspicious.

 

This too.  Peace is on fire this game.

 

 

 

Please recall that I had to catch up on multiple pages at once.  I responded to what stood out to me.

 

Then you came with this:

 

I agree that most of the stuff you called fluff wasn't really fluff... but Wombat still disappointed me somewhat.

 

@Wombat: Explain why you think I'm most likely to be scum atm. You said I posted a gif instead of casing Darthe, but I obviously did. I even linked it again for Darthe recently. Did you miss it? I can link it for you as well

 

Telling me look for the case you linked.

 

 

Here you go Darthe, I'll be a pal and link it for you!

 

 

 

Here is you linking said case.  The link leads to the same post I quoted.

 

You are full of poop.

 

I NEVER said that was my original case tho. You said I was spamming gifs instead of casing Darthe. But soon after I posted some gifs I also cased Darthe and summarized the points against him for Tommy. I linked it for Darthe since he kept ignoring it, and then redirected you to the link to see I HAD cased him even after I was posting gifs, which proved you completely wrong on your first fos on me.

 

You then tried to say that was my original case, and that the backtracking seemed like it was of equal prominence to the scumslip in my case on Darthe. Both of those statements are patently false. I first pointed out the slip, and referenced that slip multiple times, other people commented on it, and I myself never brought up the backtracking till that summary. Yet you were completely ignoring the slip at first when defending Darthe.

 

So either you're not reading the thread, or you put out an incredibly weak and poorly thought defense of your teammate Darthe, prob counting on the likelihood that you could make it look like I was just going for Darthe cause that's what I do or something.

 

 

Semantic obfuscation and overzealous rhetoric.  Gross.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

 

Lol is this a serious question?

 

 

It was meant to be coupled with my immediate following post.

 

 

Still a silly and useless question.  Criticizing people for having a good vocabulary is heinous enough.  Doing it hypocritically is even worse.

 

 

TG said Darthe was being passive aggressive in response to a case in order to discredit it. That has nothing to do with Darthe's vocabulary, it has to do with his tone.

 

 

Lol.  You really don't see it.  You dismissed Darthe's posts because they contained words you don't know.  Darthe was pointing out your hypocrisy.  I don't care if it was passive-aggressive or overly sarcastic, because it was true.

 

 

 

Pral is on-meta, which is to say he's playing an annoyingly lazy game.  He also lives halfway across the world from most of us which further compounds the matter.

 

Kaylee, I will have to examine in further detail tomorrow morning.

 

Something I thought about after seeing this post- I have never seen Wombat try to rely this much on meta reads before. He knows how unreliable meta can be, and yet he is taking hard stances on a number of people based on meta instead of on gameplay ITT. Never seen him do that this much.

 

Def thinking Scumbat is in the house.

 

 

I use what I have.  And the only people who I'm really applying a lot of meta to are you and Darthe.  And that is largely a result of you trying to turn the entire game into a 1v1 between you and him.

 

 

 

 

 

Pral is on-meta, which is to say he's playing an annoyingly lazy game.  He also lives halfway across the world from most of us which further compounds the matter.

 

Kaylee, I will have to examine in further detail tomorrow morning.

 

Something I thought about after seeing this post- I have never seen Wombat try to rely this much on meta reads before. He knows how unreliable meta can be, and yet he is taking hard stances on a number of people based on meta instead of on gameplay ITT. Never seen him do that this much.

 

Def thinking Scumbat is in the house.

 

 

He's hardcore skimming, and I'm growing weary of it. Let's see what he says today. I'd say he's currently in the... danger zone!

 

 

No, I'm softcore skimming.  And trying to base a case off of that when I warned I would be less active than usual in the signup thread is gross.  FoS.

 

 

I know I'll never be on the list of good players Darthe. I accept it, but thanks for the vote of confidence. All I can do is play my best and have fun.

 

You would be if you tried harder.  You have great instincts, but you're hard to read when you don't post much.

 

 

2 more things.

 

1) @Pral: Who do you think Darthe's scum partner is.

 

 

2) Whoever said the word turrible is Despo's is wrong.  It is Charles Barkley's and we are all free to use it.

 

I can confirm that the original source is indeed Sir Charles.

 

 

 

 

 

If you had to rank them, how would you order those players from scummiest to least? I want more gutspill from you so I can discern your alignment. I asked for a list of reads earlier, please get back to moi.

 

Yes, if you ask me something when I am fast asleep, you are not going to get a replay within 10 minutes. So, patience. Similarly I am not expecting a reply from you on this within an hour or something and the cycle goes on.

 

LIke I have already mentioned, Des and Darthe are the ones stand out. Des for his blatant vote hopping (see next point). 

Below is Darthe trying to push an opportunistic train to take out the heat on him or his scum partner.

 

@Kaylee, I wanted to say it in that way and so I did.  It felt right to see who would react and in what way, despite being something that I could have phrased better.  Additionally I found the heat on me to be very... fake for lack of a better word and so it looked like she may be being protected.

 

unvote; vote Pral

 

There's a lot of content that I've missed but some pretty good stuff to read through. I'm reconsidering my read on TG after my previous post that he answered some of my questions pretty well after restating his thought process. What Darthe says is true in a way of Despo. I personally don't think he is scum this game based on how he is adding anyone who counters him to his wolf-list, but generally I find myself unsure of his play. I don't agree with most of his points but I've noticed Despo kind of has a way of only seeing things from his perspective when it comes to what he considers scummy. Pral's recap of his posts with literally 0 analysis except to call each of his vote changes scummy is suspect and looks like an easy way to jump onto the lead wagon. I'm still not liking Dap this game. Ducking out comments aside, I find most of his posts lacking any real content. His OP contains him saying all the current wagons at the time to be odd, but with no explanation why. His last post was basically just an agreement with what other people have said where he states he finds both Darthe and TG scummy without really expressing why. I'm also uncomfortable with how he is allowing Despo to buddy up to him without calling him on it when in the last game we played together he was quick to call out another player for a joke vote as a form of buddying him. I would be comfortable with voting either of these two atm.

 

@Mish - do you still find TG scummy?

@Kaylee - who else would you consider voting for since you don't seem able to reconcile your read on Darthe?

 

This kind of post is why AJ is essentially lock town for me.

 

Turin - Unsure, but leaning town for now.  Although I disagree with him on one point I like that he's making real effort.

Amega - Unsure leaning scum - Need to hear more from him, but I don't like the way he just nudged, didn't vote, and then vanished.

Mish - I have a town read on her for now.

Des  - I can't read him >.<

Kaylee - Although she is going along with the flow, she explained herself after I posted this, so I'm willing to lean town a ways with her so far.

 

And this kind of post is why Hally's name will never be on a best players list.  Five people and four of them are floaty answers but one says nothing at all?  You deserve to get lynched every time you pull something like this.

 

Unvote vote Laya.  

 

 

Also, this

 

 

This was pretty weak; I think we all need to have a chat about what is and is not scummy behavior, because there's a lot of stuff flying around in this thread that shouldn't have left the ground (including a lot of what Des has said is scummy). Like I said above, a developed reads list from you would be nice. 

 

It is not about what is being done but rather about who is doing what and when. A lot of the reads develop by being familiar with the playstyle of the  person you are reading and comparing what he is doing here. 

 

Bolded: Explain this more plz. Who are you viewing as Darthe's partner that he's trying to defend? Several others have already touched on this but your last line is very generic sounding.

 

Unvote, Vote Pray btw. It was a scummy opportunistic vote on me, and I'll handle Darthe tonight. Don't think the case on TG is all that strong and the people pushing it make me think he's more likely to be town.

 

You know Darthe who is your primary scum read is voting Pray, right? I have no idea what to think of you this game dude. You think he'd bus like that?

 

 

Pral is on-meta, which is to say he's playing an annoyingly lazy game.  He also lives halfway across the world from most of us which further compounds the matter.

 

Kaylee, I will have to examine in further detail tomorrow morning.

 

Something I thought about after seeing this post- I have never seen Wombat try to rely this much on meta reads before. He knows how unreliable meta can be, and yet he is taking hard stances on a number of people based on meta instead of on gameplay ITT. Never seen him do that this much.

 

Def thinking Scumbat is in the house.

 

Worth keeping an eye on. I'm also skeptical of how he is able to clear Pral through meta.

 

 

Wombat I really have no idea what point you are making. It first sounds like you are saying that I am pushing Des indirectly but another one of your posts makes it sound like you think I am trying to stall his wagon. Which is it? Clarify plz so I can understand.

 

I would put Wombat and effectively null currently. He calls me scum in every game I've played with him so that's meh but I can see his POV in thinking Des is scum although I don't agree. Where is your town read on Pral coming from? Do you agree with his statements that every vote switch by Despo had scum motivation?

 

@Tommy - I don't feel like MQing from my phone cause it's a PITA but basically I liked how TG responded to my questions for him. Once he clarified how he viewed CS claiming town over a role I was able to see how his original doubt of it had lessened. I am also able to see how he would my early comment on Dap could be scummy although I think he is not seeing it the way I did. This could be due to me not making my statement clear enough. I think your case on him is good and not a bad D1 lynch but I would prefer lynching someone I view as more scummy. If Pral were to flip scum, him voting Des over TG as the two leading wagons at the time could be telling.

 

Well, it's okay for you to think TG got more villagery, but that's easy when he's starting from scummiest player ITT. I agree with you though that what Wombat said makes no sense, it seems like he's skimming too hard. Whether that's scum driven or not -- dunno yet. You agree with me that Pral is sketch city as of right now, yes? He's my #2 of the moment.

 

 

 

Have you ever seen me play Pray? Like at all? Cause vote-hopping is nowhere near a scumtell for me. It is at best a nulltell. As is casting a wide net of fos's. Turrible vote.

 

Yes, I have seen you play and that is exactly why my vote is there. You vote hop but not to this extent. You are throwing your votes here like beads at Mardi Gras. 

 

This is possibly the weakest follow-up to the weakest reason we've had for a vote so far in this game. 

 

 

And Des, you can probably find someone who is scummier than Darthe if you take your blinders off and look around the entire thread.

 

Nope. They're not blinders on, I can see fine thank you. I've dealt with Darthe's unbelievably poor sportsmanship for I don't know how long now, I've learned how to just disregard him if he's town. He's not in this game tho. Once he finally explained his slip, it was "Oh I did that on purpose for reactions".... which is just awful defense, yet town had already moved it's focus off of him so he got away with it. For a little while longer at least

 

And as far as the other stuff in your post, that my playstyle isn't doing enough to get people to like me or w/e, I stopped worrying about trying to play in a way that engendered myself to others in mafia a long time ago. I play the way I play, if others want to disregard my opinion, then that is their prerogative. But I have proven more than enough times that my opinion SHOULDN'T be discounted. 

 

Agree to disagree then, but my ultimate point is this: you'll make better reads overall if you allow yourself to "reset" and re-compile all the info you have available every 1-2 days so that you don't get stuck on conditional reads that could be based on a false premise. I've started to do that myself because I kept embarrassing myself by hard pushing bad lynches. 

 

Yes we can agree that Pral is sketchy as hell. His replies today are seriously lacking any sort of serious thought process, although I hope this isn't because he is just too busy to play. Either way, I didn't like how he jumped onto the Des wagon. I am not satisfied with his responses. And lastly I don't like his theory that suddenly Darthe switched to him in order to save a teammate. I'd like him to clarify which person he thinks this applies to as the only other major two players getting heat at the time (vote wise) were TG and Des, but Des is his other scum read.

 

I think TG is starting to step it up again.

 

The rest of your quotes that I left in are stuff that I agree with. Des just lost some cool points in his favor for voting with his scum read and basically just telling Darthe he is gonna OMGUS-kill him tonight.

 

 

Um yeah, I didn't clear Pralaya.  I said I didn't think he was scum.  That's very different.

 

 

 

I know I'll never be on the list of good players Darthe. I accept it, but thanks for the vote of confidence. All I can do is play my best and have fun.

Its ok. The good list of players is filled with boring people and their massive WoTs and their big words.. Its the mediocre list with me and everyone else thats the most entertaining.

 

 

 

Lenlo is still the scummiest player in the game and needs votes.

 

Anything new to add from what you were saying before, or are you just gonna try some subliminal messaging and hope everyone follows along?

 

 

That statement was about as subliminal as a punch in the face.  He said you're scummy.  You just confirmed it.

[WWWwombat]

TG has become very villagery today. I haven't even read back yet and already think he's entering town territory. He wasn't even close to this aggressive and engaged as scum in the last game. He's back in the flow of the thread.

 

I like Pral wagon AORN. Votes on both TG and Des are now best served on Pral. Gonna look for another; maybe Kaylee or Wombat.

 

I agree on TG.  With Des claiming and playing the clown even harder, I'm also inclined to agree about that too.  He might just be derptown.

 

 

Des. I've got a fresh trout here. It's hard to keep a hold on it. It's constantly trying to wriggle free from my grasp. It takes immense concentration and physical exertion to wield its tail in my hands. Yet I am going to use all of my strength and focus to do it so I can slap you right upside the face with said fish. You have a way out though: just relax. Ultimately, it's a game. We talked about this before this game started. Don't carry drama over from previous games. It doesn't help anyone and I would rather avoid more emo-subbing if possible. Focus on the in-thread justifications please. Think Darthe is lock scum based on his play? Fine. Gonna use outside of the game reasons to work up the courage to shoot him? Bad. I shouldn't even have to tell you this. And I ain't even mad, just think you need to take a step back.

 

 

 

 

Tommy I'm not carrying over drama from outside the game. Darthe continuously disrespected me THIS game and went personal, even tho I never did.

 

I called you ignorant, a word you seem to be ignorant of the meaning of.  

 

Sorry if that upsets you.

 

 

This is getting a bit stale.  Quit trolling and enlighten Des as to the nature of ignorance.

[WWWwombat]

Also, to answer your earlier question, Tommy, I read a bit more of Kaylee.  She seems to be critically analyzing posts, so town lean on her.

[WWWwombat]

unvote

 

I'd like to see a VC before I place a new vote.

[WWWwombat]

And Des, if you're town, step your game up.

[Darthe]

Sorry about the wait, I was pulled away by work.

[Lenlo]

Quick Q from the unenlightened. What does EBWOP stand for?

[Darthe]

Edit by way of post

[WWWwombat]

I still don't get WIM or WIL.  Need to lurk moar.

[hazelkrs1]

I still don't get WIM or WIL. Need to lurk moar.

Want It More, Want It Less. Motivation basically.