[Advanced] Star Wars Thrawn Mafia, Heir To The Empire, Town and 3rd party win

[Tommyrod]

Unless he is actually this bad at being mafia... I don't think I've seen Krak be mafia before.

[Tommyrod]

I guess there's actually more to support him being mafia: Darthe calling me town right away, both of them doing nothing, and the way he told TG to stop faking innocence after TG said "Bah. Go town." and yet didn't actually vote for him.

#trolololol

[Turin Turambar]

So if he is a survivor we just leave him be then right?

 

[Tommyrod]

So if he is a survivor we just leave him be then right?

 

 

Let cops sort him out while we lynch you. 

[hazelkrs1]

TG spew schtuff (did a full reread again tho, so some other stuff mixed in as well) Pt. 1:
 

 

I agree with Despo on the bolded part.
 
"You play crap but you would cause I seen you play like that as town." <-- classic
 
unvote vote TG
 
I think he knows I'm town.

 
First person to ever vote TG- and Salami kept his vote parked there for a while before unvoting in preparation for a hammer. Could actually be a distance move but I don't see it. Solidifies my town read on Salami slightly.
 

Activity is goood. Gooood.

This game does need a shot of Darthe though.

Nol looks grumpy here. I want to get pressure there so vote nol

Des is moderate town
salami is acting dumb and thus town
Tom is town
Corey and Puppets are slight town (also hi guys im ToD)
Peace is town.

Kill everyone else and come back to me at endgame.

 
I could be reaching, but bolded to me looks like a possible slip- Darthe knowing he'd be around @ endgame even tho he points out a lot how he is normally a lodestone for NA's, often leading to his early demise.
 
Darthe also doesn't mention TG's scummy scummy OP, even tho he ascribes to the First Church of OP Analysis.
 

Pretty much, he always looks scummy.  The best way to pick him out is to frustrate him over time (also how to get him killed when you're mafia) or to overwhelm him early on so that he makes mistakes.

 
Every time I do a reread, I have to @ Darthe saying how to handle me.... if you're mafia lol. How to NK me, etc. Pretty friggin funny. Another possible scumslip.
 

How is Csarmi obviously town - you can't be sure of anyone's alignment.
 
This one doesn't sit well with me.
 
vote tina

 
Technically speaking this could be construed as chainsaw defense of TG. Overall I had a town read of Kronos, but he did sit out most of D2 when there might have been multiple scum trains...
 
More on that later.
 

 

Tina give Nolder a null read for being on his meta.
 
Tina votes Despo for being on his meta.
 
Yup, Tina/Nolder scum team.

Mafia is easy

 

It is.  Let's lynch them one at a time though to see who they most want to night kill.

 
This is kinda funny- Darthe responds to Tommy saying mafia is easy and runs with it and sets up a lynch for the next day. Nolder ended up being town, if Tina for some reason ended up town as well, Darthe/Krak would pretty much shoot up to the top of my scumlist (not just for this btw).
 

(edited out Darthe's quote poking fun @ my wot's)

 
/thread  Darthe wins

 
TG buddies Darthe...
 

How do you feel about Tina? Would you lynch her?

 
 

If Nol is mafia then I'd say Tina is teammate especially given how she mostly ignored everything about Nol which has comprised most of the game.  I'd lynch at least one of those two for info.

 
This is HUGE.
 
Tommy asks TG directly what he thinks about Tina, and TG links Tina to Nol as his potential teammate. This tactic has been pointed out already (I think Cory covered it in his spew analysis) as pretty scummy. I'm thinking TG and Tina might have decided to distance/bus one another fairly early in the game as scumbuddies.
 

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/87452-advanced-star-wars-thrawn-mafia-heir-to-the-empire-day-1/page-14?

Read this page again and give me your thoughts on the Tina and Kronos interaction.

 
The whole interaction looks contrived, like an early attempt at distancing.

 
Tommy again asks TG about a situation involving Tina, and TG concludes that it looks like distancing, thereby linking them more strongly together.
 

 

So what...I should post gif after gif, because that is mostly what people have been doing. I don't comment when there is little to comment on.

 
Emorage

 
I kinda feel like the previous post and this one spews Kronos as town somewhat. That def wasn't emorage.
 

I font remember AJ doing anything?

Anyone does?

 
 

Neither him nor Golden.

 
And this might spew GE as town. Salami mentions AJ disappearing, TG agrees and brings up GE in a scummy sideline snipe post.
 

 

I have a scum lean on Des because I have no reason not to, he's actually not done that much this game despite his amount of posts.

Someone that agrees with me about Des!

 
This is also kind of telling right here- Tina celebrates someone "finally" agreeing with her about me... but SP wasn't the first besides Tina to fos me. TG did as well, and stuck with his scum read on me, yet Tina pretty much ignores this.
 

Golden do you think TG is being consistent in the thread? Do you think he's making the kind of conclusions TG typically makes?

 
 

I've played one game with him, so I don't have much of a read on him Cory. He does appear to be susceptible to letting people get under his skin though.

 
This doesn't look that great for GE... Cory asks GE directly about TG and his play THIS game, and GE softballs a response back about TG's play in general.
 

Monk, Des and ?

 
AGAIN, THIS IS HUGE.
 
Tina made several comments about TG throughout the day, saying he was echoing other, being "unusually quiet", etc. In fact TG was the person she talked most about besides me. And yet, when asked for top three reads, she conveniently forgets about one of her top reads?
 

Ah, right. I remember that TG has been unusually quiet.

 
She apparently remembers she was supposed to be distancing from TG 2 mins later so pretty much just repeats the last comment she had made about him.
 

Monk: Cory is scum, he led the lynch.

Darthe: Actually, yes.  I saw it a couple of hours ago.  He is def scum.

Monk: Are you kidding me? What I said was a joke. You agreeing with me is pretty scummy.

Darthe: I'm not kidding.  Cory is almost certainly maf.

 
This was and remains one of the worst posts of the thread. Darthe never follows up on his read of someone as "almost certainly maf". Sketchy.
 

TG, does Nol/X flipping town change your view on Tina any?
 
Tommy, does Nol/X flipping town change your perspective on Cory?

 
I pointed this out before, wanna point it out again. Turin asks TG a setup question about Nol's flip changing how he felt about Tina, TG responds "Not really. Still scum lean.", and Turin never follows up on this. This is one of the few times, mebbe even only, that Turin ever talks to TG directly. And he doesn't follow up. Not good for him.
 
He also looks to be driving a wedge into the #Alliance with the question directed @ Tommy lol.
 

Actually he explained WIL "want it less", but close enough.

 
TG kept talking, Turin kept ignoring him, not following up on his simple question.
 

And TTT is;..?  To the top? The Turin Turambar?  Tongue twisting ticklers?

 
TG even uses Turin's name tongue in cheek...
 

DL is in two days people. 
 
 
Translation for Turin:
 
Deadline is in two days people.

 
Another tongue in cheek comment @ Turin...
 

Feel better Tommy.

 
But Turin, the guy who responds to practically every tongue in cheek comment directed at him, ignores TG some moar.
 
Not good Turin.
 

 

The Olympics has started and I´m going away later so I will have to make this short. (Seriously - why do people expect me to be social during the Olympics?)
 
 
There are more posts to comment on but it will have to wait until tomorrow. Des is still on my scum list. He is trying to paint me scummy in an OMGUS way, telling everyone how well he knows that I play. I don´t like that he still comment about Csarmi. 
 
That said, Monk is now my number one scum suspect. I´ll keep my vote on X but Monk is next.

 
This looks like distancing.

 
This is now the third person TG says Tina is distancing from. ROFLCOPTERS. Tina pretty much spewed scum from this stuff.

 

[hazelkrs1]

TG spew Pt. 2:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

TG, Grand Admiral Thrawn, Mafia Forceblocker, has been lynched.

 

Lesson for all: Don't mess with mah Spurs!

 

 

 

Cory, who on the train you think is mafia?

 

This was after Cory points out the Monk train looked dirty, at the time it consisted of Kronos, TG, and Tina. TG and Tina had been fos'ing each other constantly up until day breaks, then they suddenly have no problem joining up on a lynch right out the gate? Turin starts defending both Tina and TG from this point on fairly heavily.

 

 

Good evening everyone, I am Krak.

 

 

 

Vote Tommy as I find him a despicable character.

 

Awesome OP.

 

Says Krak's awful OP is awesome. Yeah...

 

 

TG: His first post was a classic fence-sitting post. After Nolder has dropped out he says that it´s out of the question to lynch him until his replacement get the time to speak. In the same post he says that he is suspicious of Des and Monk. But only two posts later he answers Tom´s leading question that if Nolder is scum then I must be too. He could lynch either of us for info. And then he answered another leading question from Tom and said that I and Kronos tried to distance from each other. Then just a few posts later he voted me. Later he said that Nolder was scummy because of his game play and because of the Nolder/Tina/Kronos interaction

 

Wow! From suspecting Des and Monk and refusing to vote Nolder he posts just what he thinks Tom wants to hear and then suddenly I, Kronos and Nolder are mafia. Just following, or at least trying to buddy Tom. So scummy!

 

 

What is interesting is before this read on TG, your case on TG consisted of the following

 

Ah, right. I remember that TG has been unusually quiet.

 

 

The only thing I trust right now is Csarmi´s claim. 

 

I had a null read on Nolder until he dropped.

 

You know why I´m suspicisous of Des.

 

TG seems to try to agree with everyone. 

 

 

Why does people say that Des looks town? He is just making up reasons for voting Csarmi, who is obviously town. 

 

Vote Des

 

 

Didn´t like TGs fence sitting post. 

 

 

You are consistent on the "fence-sitting" aspect. But, your read on TG completely changed from "he is quiet", "he is echoing others" to "wow, he says a lot of things that sound scummy - he is linking, he is buddying etc"

 

I love how Pray points this out- Tina fumbles the way she handles TG as a high scum read. He even left off the part how she forgot she had been fos'ing him a bunch after being asked for top 3 reads, then suddenly remembers.

 

All this looks like a botched distance attempt to me.

 

Des - he says that I repeat my case on him over and over. That is probably true because that is what I´m suspicous about. He has twice started to lean town on me but then he goes back to a scum read since I don´t leave him alone. TG and Des have had a lot of interaction. If TG is mafia then I promise to read back on Des again and reevaluate my read on him. It might be that I´m just tunnelling. It´s just that have this strong gut feeling that he is scum. 

 

 

 

I don't understand. Are you suspicious of Des because you think he is pushing a scum agenda or do you think he's just annoying?

 

See the post after yours. I don´t like the way he is going after Turin either. But I´m starting to wifom myself on my read on him. If TG is mafia then I will take another look at Des´s posts.

 

I don't like how Tina lays the foundation to backtrack off her read on me based on TG's flip- makes it seem like she KNEW TG would flip scum and wanted to make it look organic, her changing her mind about me because of that.

 

 

Don't bus so fast you might crash

 

Says the one who was hesitating voting TG since he was too lazy to unvote me. 

 

Let´s see if TG is scum. Then we can see who might have bussed him. 

 

After Cory calls Tina out for potential bussing, she tries fos'ing him for saying he didn't want to vote TG earlier out of laziness, which was an obvious joke.

 

 

 

And why the remark @ me btw? I'm not the only one who thought GE looked sketchy, why do you only take exception with my read on your slot? Didn't think I was rude to you or anything when you joined /shrug

 

 

I was playing with ya des lol

 

im gonna vote but its a bit blind obviously.,

 

I agree that the little ive seen has me quite happy to vote turin. I didnt like Tina's abrupt switch to TG

 

im voting with the fact that theres 7 hrs left and im not gonna make DL. so simply goin with the biggest train

 

vote TG

 

This makes GE's slot look a bit better again. Dice says he's voting blind and voting the largest train, but at the time the Turin and TG trains were equal. So he casts the vote which MAKES TG the bigger train, which is usually somewhat significant. Scum tend to not like pushing one train over the threshold, especially not one on someone on their team.

 

Could have been an attempt for town cred, especially if Turin ended up being scum as well, but I kinda doubt that.

 

First, I never said that finding the survivors was a priority. Only that it had to be done. Notice that even tho I think Cory could well be a survivor my vote remains on my top mafia read.

Not sure how much I will be about before DL.

I am Chewbacca, vanilla town. Since it is close to eod it nay be necessary to.lynch me anyway. But when I flip town I suggest you look at Despo, Cory, dice and hallia. I think there are at least 2 anti town in that group.

Also if there is a doc and you feel sage it might be worth protecting Tina tonight.

My vote stays on my most likely mafia, Despo.

 

There's alot wrong with this post for being somewhat smallish. Starts off whyme frymeish. Feels enough pressure to claim his character and role, but has NO thoughts on his countertrain, TG. That does not compute in a townie mindset.

 

Bolded is really weird tho. Turin has spoken out many times against people directing town PR's, like telling the Doc or Cop who to target, yet he does so blatantly here, and it DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE. Tina was a top lynch candidate at that point and most of the game- if she was town why in the world would scum try to NK her when they could likely get her lynched?

 

Makes no sense whatsoever. HOWLLLLLL

 

I´m not sure what to do. It´s better to loose a vanilla than a watcher but I think TG has been way more scummy than Turin. My vote stays for now. 

 

 

 

I am super busy at work today, but with DL approaching I have to claim before getting lynched.

 

I'm Zakarisz Ghent, town slicer.  Apparently it means I'm a town watcher, but I don't use the force. 

 

Isn´t there one town mention to much in here? Like he is being extra careful to mention that he is town. 

 

I say we lynch TG. 

 

These two posts do give me slight pause as far as her connection to TG goes. She stays resolute on a vote that ends up hitting scum, and makes a good point about him right after.

 

Makes me think that if Turin is town, Tina looks slightly better, although it would have been hard to get Turin lynched at that point so she might have been making much ado about nothing.

 

If Turin is scum, Tina loses all town cred she potentially gains from these posts and her vote on TG since they'd be losing a scummer anyways.

 

 Hi everyone. Hiya Halli 

 

Sorry for the delay, real life kind of got a bit overwhelming. 

 

 

 

 

I have sort of got a gist of things but things seem to be a bit in the air at the moment seeing as most everyone is at each other's throat... 

 

Partial reads, haven't gotten much done my apologies.

 

So far corry guy/girl and that wilvy guy have stood out for me... mostly the wilvy guy. 

 

Dessy is being dessy

 

Halli her adorable self <3

 

Tom the resident trouble maker  

 

TG don't know him much  but solid posting. 

 

Tina seems okay...

 

Luci= adorable as always, you can't help but adore me as I got skillz :P

 

I will try to catch up soon enough. Read up and play basically .... 70 odd pages ...( I blame Tom for having to read all that)

 

Luci makes a very late arrival, says she hasn't read the thread yet... yet she says TG is posting solid. Someone who a lot of people thought looked scummy there. Very weird. Overall feel Salami's slot is/was town, but this gave me slight motivation to reconsider.

 

Really? You're going with that Krak?  What's your reasoning? Darthe was playing a sketchy game, and you haven't really done anything to change that.  

 

I've been iffy on TG, Tina, and Turin.  With the claims as they stand, I'm ok with giving TG one night to do something productive, if he really is a watcher.

 

Unvote

 

Vote Turin

 

At first glance this looks really bad for Hallia, but honestly this is more null for her. She's crazy gullible when it comes to role claims, you could claim Scum MegaKiller and she'd prob advocate giving you "one night to do something productive".

 

vote Turin

 

 

Keeping my vote on TG unless he said his night target and I missed it.

 

I haven't, and I'm not going to.

 

Looks like a lazy attempt at distancing to me. Votes Turin crazy late, doesn't push for his lynch or fight to keep from getting lynched himself. If Turin was town, I think scum!TG would have tried harder to shift votes onto him. I think scum honestly got caught up in multiple wagons yesterday, which is why TG just kinda accepted it at the end.

 

 

Unvote, Vote TG

Him trying to act like he's being protown by not revealing his first investigation is totally ludicrous, his info wouldnt really help the mafia in any way. He just doesn't want to be tied down to lies already when he just needs to survive the deadline.

Turin still looks mighty scummy to me tho, and he defended TG and made a big deal about TG flipping scum not clearing me as town, so if TG DOES flip scum that will just be that much more evidence against him.

Despot has his scummy glasses on, lol

 

You are stretching things again. I merely asked Tommy to explain how he thought that a TG mafia flip cleared you? He never did really answer. Something about a post but he never did look it up. 

 

Watcher is more common town in the games I've been in. Tracker is the one that is more either or IMO.

 

15 minutes. I guess I will have to hammer if no one else will.

 

TG, I don't see any way you aren't getting lynched now. If you have results of any sort it is probably better to give them. It might end up being important.

 

Turin defends TG's Watcher claim. Turin also seems reluctant to hammer as well in second to last line. This is actually kind of strange to me- scum!Turin most likely wouldn't act hesitant at this point- his reluctance here might have honestly been him worried that TG was town. Not near enough to dissuade me from my scum read on Turin, but eh /shrug

 

[hazelkrs1]

TL,DR: First of all we gained that much more evidence on both Tina and Turin. Both looked sketchy before, and with TG's flip look even worse. Tina fumbled her handling of TG as a read imo, and TG went over the top trying to distance from her, even tho they both voted together at the start of D2. Turin ignored TG's countertrain to himself until it was absolute last second, and defended TG somewhat as well while almost never directly talking to him (on thread at least, who knows how much they communicated on their QT).

 

Upon reread, Monk is sort of spewed as town (TG sniped at him D1, pursued his lynch heavily with scumbuddy Tina at start of D2).

 

GE/Dice and Salami/Luci aren't quite spewed as town, both have slight wifom in regards to a potential connection with TG, but both also had points in their favor in the spew stuff as well. So townish reads on both of their slots atm.

 

Darthe/Krak otoh, look a good bit worse. Darthe was doing his WIL thing before subbing out, but ignored any TG stuff, TG buddied Darthe a bit. Krak has pretty much been trolling since he subbed in, and pushed an obviously weak bs case on an outlier while a scum almost survived a lynch. Krak looks just awful now. Additionally, if I'm right that town might have had 3 scumwagons yesterday (TG, Turin, Tina), this could explain Krak's trollish behavior, and general unwillingness to help secure a lynch.

[hazelkrs1]

How about if the original post is just shorter and/or more

Consise. As in only dealing with one subject. It really shouldn't be my job to tidy your post to reply to it.

 

Lol now you're just being your contrarian troll self.

 

And you're wrong btw. There's a purpose for a wall being so big in the first place- the person may want to get as much of their thoughts out as possible. There's no purpose for leaving all the extra quotes in a nestled quote other than cluttering up the thread. Plus, when you choose to include a quote from someone along with your post, you are essentially adopting that quote- you're taking responsibility to make it neat so that your post is neat.

 

So to make it clear once moar: NO ONE SHOULD BE ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR THE OTHER SURVIVOR ON THREAD. If you wanna look into the matter on your own just to have that info ready for later, fine. Just don't announce your findings about it on thread.

 

 

I would betcha ten shekels that Darthe was a survivor and Krak is just tunneling on someone he knows won't be lynched so he doesn't bother the mafia and get NKed.

 

 

Unless he is actually this bad at being mafia... I don't think I've seen Krak be mafia before.

 

Krak isn't that good at mafia. He already hates me so I don't have any qualms about pointing this out. Essentially never does anything to help his team, #yolos and #inactives his way through every game he's in.

 

So if he is a survivor we just leave him be then right?

 

 

TROLOLOLOLOL @ bitter scum.

 

Seriously. Everyone else is happy, we lynched scum D2. Yet your sour grapes ass continues being all contrarian to me, and being bitter about the third party thing (where you were objectively wrong). Don't make it that easy for us to spot you Turin. At least pretend to be happy with the day's outcome lol.

[hazelkrs1]

Alright, my #work here is done

 

 

 

 

[hazelkrs1]

Tom, Cory, and I all reacting to the scum outing themselves for us:

 

 

 

 

#Alliance

 

Tina->Turin->Krak->Profit

[Cory Caboose]

I'll still go through Day 2 for lulz but put me in the LOLOLOL pile.

 

ilu Dessy

 

Turin/Tina wagons tomorrow.

[hazelkrs1]

I'll still go through Day 2 for lulz but put me in the LOLOLOL pile.

 

ilu Dessy

 

Turin/Tina wagons tomorrow.

 

You were the distracted puppy pug

 

[WolfbrotherKronos]

I apologize for my absense for awhile - especially so close to a deadline - I had a lot of real life things going on the past couple of days.  Everything seems to be normal today, so I'm gonna use this night phase to do a good reread.

[SickPuppets]

I'm still not willing to Lynch Tina so easily.  Turin is another question however....

[Cory Caboose]

I'm not willing to wallow in sobriety during a perfectly good snow day

 

 

 

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

unofficial night vote count

 

cirrhosis (everyone)

[Cory Caboose]

Working from home is basically the same as working in the office except my coffee mug is filled with wine and my attire is a pair of Simpsons boxers and a bedsheet

[Tommyrod]

Think him checking TG's posts for spew instead of just saying "it doesn't matter because TG isn't scum" might spew TG scum if Turin is scum, which is a two for one deal.

Let's do this. Votes on Turin.

Ding ding ding! Winner!

[Niniel]

Gah! Des, you annoy me! I had a great case on TG (even though I wasn´t the first), followed my gut not to move my vote and you still believe me to be mafia. Sometimes you just can´t stop tunnelling. I have promised to take another look at you now that TG turned out mafia but I really think that if you are in fact town then you should widen your horizon a bit. 

[Cory Caboose]

dont'w orry tina - we're lynching tuirn first

 

it's geona be OKAY!

[Cory Caboose]

I did really enjoy Dspot goin through the spew and pointing out the big lot of times I got peopole to do stupid thingsby asking them aseemingly inane questions

CORYTACTICS

[Cory Caboose]

unofficial night vote count

 

cirrhosis (everyone)

god-level moderation

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

 

unofficial night vote count

cirrhosis (everyone)

 

god-level moderation

disability analyst snow day.

 

carry on :)

[Cory Caboose]

chex mix and wine

 

lunch of champions

[SickPuppets]

And we wait.