Role pm matching/phrasing

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

*hugs des and everyone on the thread and thanks you all for playing mafia which I really enjoy reading even if I don't much like playing kind of like a football fan who'd never make a first down*

 

it's good to talk things out.

 

and it's really good to post on DM.

 

a lot.

 

a lot lot.

 

especially on forums you like and want to see prosper.

 

*posts*

 

*spectates and applauds*

[hazelkrs1]

  On 1/23/2014 at 12:47 AM, cindy said:

*hugs des and everyone on the thread and thanks you all for playing mafia which I really enjoy reading even if I don't much like playing kind of like a football fan who'd never make a first down*

 

it's good to talk things out.

 

and it's really good to post on DM.

 

a lot.

 

a lot lot.

 

especially on forums you like and want to see prosper.

 

*posts*

 

*spectates and applauds*

*hugs Cindy like Elmira (Elvira?) squeezing one of her pets*

 

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

[Turin Turambar]

  On 1/23/2014 at 12:47 AM, cindy said:

*hugs des and everyone on the thread and thanks you all for playing mafia which I really enjoy reading even if I don't much like playing kind of like a football fan who'd never make a first down*

 

it's good to talk things out.

 

and it's really good to post on DM.

 

a lot.

 

a lot lot.

 

especially on forums you like and want to see prosper.

 

*posts*

 

*spectates and applauds*

nominates Cindy for official "dedthred hostess" status

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

 

aw, shucks

 

that's very sweet.

 

I have stopped dead threading tho cause it's more fun not to know setup and I like to try to figure stuff out.

[LilyElizabeth]

I don't always go to the dead thread for the same reason, Cindy. 

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

it's more fun to play along for sure :)

[nervositee]

Lurking on all the ongoing games, we don't need MAMAs or rules against PM quoting

 

We need everyone to sign a statement saying "I will play mafia, not turn threads into a half-bummed 9GAG"

 

[Leelou]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with spam in a game as long as there is game play as well. 

[Verbal32]

  On 1/23/2014 at 12:43 AM, Despothera said:

First off, thanks for all the kind words folks. Second- I don't go for personal attacks either. And frankly Verbal, I'm a little upset that you say that about me when you in fact got personal one time with me which actually upset me a good deal. I'm aggressive and I sometimes use harsh words or tone, but I never try to insult or call names or anything like that. If I say someone's post is terribad, it doesn't mean I think they suck at mafia, just that one post is bad. If someone is I feel hurting their team by the way they are playing, I might mention that as well, but again, I don't get personal. Its true that you might say I lack tact at times when confronting people in mafia, but eh I hope that people see that I don't truly play with any ill will towards someone else.

 

Huh?  I specifically said I wasn't picking on you.  Chillax.

 

My judgement of players is based on the frequency and severity of complaints I get about them.  Simple as that.  If anybody on this board has had a "discussion" with me at one time or another, it is simply because of that.  Never personal, unless I say something like "you makes games less fun for me", which has sometimes been the case in the past with some players.

[Nolder]

Skimmed the thread

 

For the issue of role PM matching: ban it, punish accordingly, etc

It's outside the spirit of the game in the same way that sharing your PM info with another player usually is

 

As for aggressive play

It has it's place in mafia, it really does

I just think it's not the type of mafia we should want to foster on a PG13 site dedicated to a fantasy series

 

There is cutthroat anything goes mafia and I like that

But only if I know that's what it is and I'm sure where the lines are if there are any

Having a mishmash of cutthroat with semi strict rules on language and personal insults is just confusing and the line to toe isn't even a line it's more like a bundle of christmas lights that got tangled up

That's silly imo and leads to a lot of the frustration you'll see people exhibit in games from time to time

 

Perhaps a sticky on "Mafia Etiquette" would be beneficial for everyone

I know Verbal doesn't always have much time so I'd be happy to make at least an outline of such a thing if he would go for it

And I'd of course be happy to work with anyone else who wants to put input on it since it would be for all of us

[Verbal32]

Essentially what you're suggesting though it to have mafia etiquette = DM site rules.  It loosely does, but I do allow some slippage.  If we are agreeing to not allow that, there is no need for an etiquette post.  Just read the CoC and be done with it.

[Nolder]

I'd have to disagree there.

 

For example most mafia mods will shy away from using the same source material as another mod if a game was ran recently.

We don't often see two Harry Potter games running at the same time even though we do see a lot of Harry Potter games in general.

It's just an unspoken gesture of respect to "stay out" of someone else's territory, at least until they are done with it.

 

Another example from a players POV would be to not join games you're unsure you have time for.

 

There is nothing in DM rules or CoC that covers this and I think perhaps it would be beneficial to put such things down in a thread.

Not necessarily as hard and fast rules like you seem to think but just as suggestions and general outline of behavior in certain situations.

 

Even if you're right though and the rules and CoC do cover it, it seems like some of this stuff is worth repeating considering how often it is seemingly forgotten or ignored.

 

For example, to use a real and recent example of myself, a certain argument that I got into could have been avoided had I not brought my real life into the game. That is a line of etiquette that is rarely followed by some but could lead to a lot less arguing and fighting if it was. Can a reminder/suggestion really hurt anything? Again if you're worried about time I'm volunteering my own along with anyone who wants to help me. All you have to do is sit back and read what I give you and just say "ok this is good" or "needs more work".

[Verbal32]

How about this - I'm not wanting another sticky on this board - it makes it too much when you have a full set of games going, like now.  I already have 2 normal stickies - the queue and the welcome thread.

 

I'd be open to redesigning that welcome thread to include what you're talking about.

[michellem]

I think that would be an idea. I'd also suggest adding a link in the Welcome-thread to Peace's Newbie Information-thread :)

[Nolder]

  On 1/24/2014 at 9:50 PM, Verbal32 said:

How about this - I'm not wanting another sticky on this board - it makes it too much when you have a full set of games going, like now.  I already have 2 normal stickies - the queue and the welcome thread.

 

I'd be open to redesigning that welcome thread to include what you're talking about.

TBH...you only need 1 sticky. All relevant information could be it's own post.

 

But yeah I dunno, no one else except Mish has weighed in on that yet.

I wouldn't want to bother if there isn't much support for it.

[LilyElizabeth]

I don't see it as necessary.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

a line of etiquette that is rarely followed by some indicates no real consensus on the matter.

 

avoiding arguing in mafia?

 

I think the rules are the rules and what us not forbidden is permitted and if most ppl really don't like something the usual social pressures will curb it.

 

I don't think it's necessary and would lead to endless analysis and interp and... fighting and arguing.

 

which is better in threads like these to up the traffic than in stickied threads where that's kind of posting isn't encouraged.

[Tommyrod]

Role PM phrasing schemes such as "what's are the third, seventh, and twentieth letters of your win-con?" are the only true way to maintain the spirit of the game. After all, mafia is, at its essence, a battle of cryptography. As townies drop their public keys in D1, the mason team should be "accidentally" leaking private keys which lead to incorrect win-cons hidden within verification keys to get the mafia to slip on their AES driven fake claim. 

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

you may have graphomania

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

that's a good thing but post shorter to up your post count and the sites if you would?

[peacesells]

  On 1/22/2014 at 3:26 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 1/22/2014 at 11:39 AM, Despothera said:

Aggressive play styles are much more likely to garner reactions, and pretty much the whole game is based around reactions.

 

Also, its kind of funny to me how some people will say they don't like aggressive play styles, and yet the players they favor most are generally aggressive. Why are DM's most famous mafia players generally the more aggressive type? Wombat, Kivam, Mynd, Ithi, Verbal, Jack... The list could keep on going. All of those players are generally aggressive.

 

Does it go too far sometimes? Of course. But then, it is a game designed around killing one another, and emotions are generally much more likely to fly around anyways, so it's easy to get carried away at times. I think you have MORE aggressive players nowadays, as in more players that are aggressive, but I don't think aggressive play styles are a new thing and I think they are pretty effective compared to other styles.

 

That list of players you mentioned - we are aggressive in a very different way than some "aggressive" players today.  For example, and I'm not picking on you here.....you'll criticize somebody's play and call it "terribad" or something like that.  Basically berate them into following your lead.  Does it work?  Sometimes, sure.

 

But the way we (those of us you mentioned above) are aggressive is very different from that - we'll constantly attack a point of view or post, but not a person's ability to play the game, or their mafia acumen.  Does one method work better than the other?  Debatable, for sure.  I'd call it persistent, personally.

 

 

Agree with Verbal here on the different type of aggressiveness.

  On 1/23/2014 at 12:43 AM, Despothera said:

First off, thanks for all the kind words folks. Second- I don't go for personal attacks either. And frankly Verbal, I'm a little upset that you say that about me when you in fact got personal one time with me which actually upset me a good deal. I'm aggressive and I sometimes use harsh words or tone, but I never try to insult or call names or anything like that. If I say someone's post is terribad, it doesn't mean I think they suck at mafia, just that one post is bad. If someone is I feel hurting their team by the way they are playing, I might mention that as well, but again, I don't get personal. Its true that you might say I lack tact at times when confronting people in mafia, but eh I hope that people see that I don't truly play with any ill will towards someone else.

 

I think feelings have gotten hurt a bit more lately, but I think that's mostly coming about due to grudges that seem to last past the end of games and into new ones. Personally if I feel there's anyone that I have an actual problem with, I try and resolve it with that person after the game to make sure that we can be cool next time we play together. Mebbe others could try something similar.

 

I also think post game discussion is OK, and if someone did something that blatantly hurt their team, I don't see a problem with pointing it out, both for constructive criticism and to help understand people's motives for certain moves.

 

I don't think you understand what a personal attack is.  Saying someone played bad, is playing bad is an insult. Especially when it's repeated game after game.  (This has gotten pretty bad, so much so that others have picked up the refrain.  Including new players.)

 

I understand it is a tool to use to get someone riled up.  But to refuse to take responsibility for the feelings it creates is short sighted. 

 

First, when you make a statement like someone is "playing terribad" you have no inclination on if that is true or not.  You don't have the info they have.  You are also implying that your play is better in comparison...which is arrogant and insulting in itself since. 

 

So, don't wash your hands here and say "You try not to insult people" with statements like that.  It is an insult. 

 

Now, I'm not saying you can't keep playing like that if you find it effective.  But I will tell you that I tend to discount every case you make now that you have started this trend.  I am pre-disposed to not listen to what you say.  Whether that influences you or not?/shrug. 

 

BTW..you didn't used to do this stuff.  Not sure what changed.

[peacesells]

Let me add something here.

 

Using insults is a base tactic.  It takes no subtlety or guile.  It's a playground bully tactic.  I don't understand how playing that way can be at all satisfying.

[Nolder]

  On 1/25/2014 at 7:29 PM, peacesells said:

Let me add something here.

 

Using insults is a base tactic.  It takes no subtlety or guile.  It's a playground bully tactic.  I don't understand how playing that way can be at all satisfying.

Let me add something to your addition.

 

Despite what you just said being true the unfortunate reality is that playground bully tactics are extremely effective.

It's really depressing sometimes seeing just how effective and easy these tactics are at manipulating crowds of people.

 

And of course winning is always satisfying to those with a competitive nature, which I think at least half of us have if not more.

[peacesells]

I personally would not find it satisfying.