[Advanced] French Revolution Mafia - Day 3

[Turin Turambar]

So I find Thorum a great candidate, but I'd like to hear what Turin has to say now that he's in slot.

You find Thorum a great candidate for what? To lynch? That sounds like an awful idea. Let's put the entire game on a wild shot in the dark.

 

I think you.may not really,want to hear what I have to say. I will be giving.my thoughts after I eat.

 

So soon...

[Hallia]

Did you  miss that on him? Do you know why he would switch from pushing people to reveal one moment and the next persecuting someone else for doing the same?

[Turin Turambar]

General thoughts: where was all the Ishy suspicion yesterday? yesterday everyone seemed to be very happy to let him skate by with his dismissive answers that basically weren't answers at all. /rant

 

TBH, right now I think all of you are mafia. I had to include myself to have a solid townie.

 

04. Ishy: weird lack of reasoning in calling Mish and then Lily town at the end of day 1 only to turn around and vote Mish. Day 2 brings the GF vote with no apparent reasoning either. Then the Turin 1.0 vote for "tunnelling" is a fairly blatant OMGUS. Finally his response to my questions was laughably bad but somehow no one questioned it until today.

 

05. Lily(claiming survivor): the mish voting was odd. It was one reason why that Turin guy took so long to vote Mish was that He didn't trust lily. She also backed down very quickly when Turin confronted her about her vote analysis when to be frank it was just as valid to question him for NOT being on the final train. The early Ishy vote smacks of voting someone that was getting heat from others. So in a way it does point to 3rd party.

 

06. Thorum Turin: TOWN TOWN TOWN. so very TOWN.

 

07. Nerv: More and more mafia each time he speaks. Defended the heck out of Ishy who he claimed to be reading as NULL. Why in the world would you do that? Oh to get a townie (turin) lynched. Then during the night the "ZOMG, Turin was town?!?!?" (paraphrased) post. Now today he is all convinced that Ishy is mafia. Maybe you should have thought about that before defending him yesterday. The read post regarding Thorum/Turin is also interesting. Floating the idea of lynching Turin because he was town last time while saying it is a bad idea. Might want to be careful about casting aspersions on replacements just cause they replaced in. The list in general is interesting and I will go through it if I make it that far.

 

08. Hally: also floats the lynch Thorum idea. Again now is not the time to go there. Lynching an inactive at lylo is a very bad proposition, but that just ain't gonna happen so you might as well drop it now and move along to the next plan. Others have mentioned the lurking near deadline when the hammer fell I think. Just seems to only make snipe posts.

 

09. Krak: Were you really satisfied with Ishy's answer yesterday? I can't see how you would be. But no comment about it. your vote also was the one that put turin 1.0 at 3 votes and into the lead making him the best candidate for consolidation. There was something else but I will need to try to find it.

 

14. Alanna: Basel was very pingy with his "creepy crawly gut vibe" votes on first Thorum and then AJ. No reasons given. Alanna has done a fine job of damage control but something seems off. I can't put my finger on it yet. I will need to check on that too if I can.

 

15. Graendals Fav: Both hammers with very little else to say. Did not come and hammer Mish initially but then was willing as deadline approached. What is odd about to me is that he didn't make any argument for anyone else the first go around. If you are not ready to hammer then you should have someone else you would rather vote. Otherwise why wait? just vote.

 

 

EVERYONE please come and post a complete set of reads. There is a lot riding on this obviously.

[Turin Turambar]

Did you  miss that on him? Do you know why he would switch from pushing people to reveal one moment and the next persecuting someone else for doing the same?

I don't know why he would have said that. TBH once I saw that I was town I didn't really pay much attention to what Thorum had said. To me it is irrevelant and I will not try to speak for him.

 

Can you give a complete set of reads please?

[Hallia]

I'm not advocating an inactive, I asked a specific question? O.o

[Hallia]

Ninja'd.

[Hallia]

And yup! Gimme a moment you caught me in an instance. XD

[Turin Turambar]

I'm going to come clean before this gets out of hand. I'm not vt. I'm a 3rd party survivor. Lynch me and I obviously lose, but so will you. I've been scumhunting all game, and I'm still doing so. I don't like Ishy's push to lynch me at all. It reeks of scum trying to win the game quickly.

So you are saying that it current;y stands 4 town, 3 mafia, 1 third party? (TBH I thought GF was hinting at being 3rd party with his weird post about choosing mafia)

 

If a town is lynched today would you win? (if that is verboten then disregard)

 

Who do you see as the 3 mafia then? I guess Ishy is one of them.

[Turin Turambar]

I want to get my reads out as I don't think I have posted a full list yet.

 

 

 

04. Ishy - Unsure, leaning scum - I thought Turin was just flinging last-minute mud, but he was (mostly) right about Ishy's play being suspicious.

05. Lily - Scum - I've been saying it most of my game, and I'm just pissed I got sidetracked.

06. Thorum - Null

07. Nerv - Town - playing a good game so far.

08. Hally - Unsure, leaning scum - Not being around much, but that's nothing new.

10. Pral - Unsure - Made some good points, not around much, sniping.  Could just be laying low.

14. Alanna - Town - Basel played scummy, but Alanna has been the opposite.

15. Graendals Fav - Town - Those two hammers scream town.

This was the other thing that bugged me. You say that Turin 1.0 was flinging "last minute mud" but he had very little heat prior to the ishy vote and then the back and forth with Ishy defender #1 (Nerv). So the points on Ishy were made prior to the need for any last minute mud flinging. Again noting that it was your vote that tipped the scales in favor of the Turin lynch. 

 

I must say that I don't really agree with many of your reads.

GF could easily be mafia lying low and willing to hammer 2 townies late for cred as "no one would do that if they were mafia"

Nerv's buddying up to you didn't have any effect on your POV did it?

Alanna was pretty much forced to be as townie as possible after taking over for Basel. So I am still not clear about her.

Lily as not town in any case is a given I think. 

Low/no content Ishy is usually mafia Ishy. It follows that he would come out to play at LYLO to seal the deal. 

[nervositee]

 

07. Nerv: More and more mafia each time he speaks. Defended the heck out of Ishy who he claimed to be reading as NULL. Why in the world would you do that? Oh to get a townie (turin) lynched. Then during the night the "ZOMG, Turin was town?!?!?" (paraphrased) post. Now today he is all convinced that Ishy is mafia. Maybe you should have thought about that before defending him yesterday. The read post regarding Thorum/Turin is also interesting. Floating the idea of lynching Turin because he was town last time while saying it is a bad idea. Might want to be careful about casting aspersions on replacements just cause they replaced in. The list in general is interesting and I will go through it if I make it that far.

 

 

 

Did I hurt your feelings or something?

 

I think everyone agrees that the only one driving a link between me and Ishy where Turin1. I said throughout the day that I had a null-read on Ishy, but he could just be fudging around. I thought Turin1 was much more obvious scum, and the long train proves I wasn't alone. I never defended Ishy, and still thinks he is scum, but in this game slip-ups are deadlier than usual. I know that is ironic to say now, since Turin1 ended up as a slip-up, but judging by the posts Turin1 made, I would make the same choice again, TBH.

 

And claiming I "defended the heck out of" is poor scum-hunting sir. Quote me "defending the heck" out of Ishy. And also the whole "maybe you should have thought of that yesterday" just pisses me off, really. This is a game of guessing and reading, then adjusting on the little information we get. So realizing that "oh, shit, we messed up and lynched a townie, lets take a step back and readjust our reads based on our information" is how Town should play. Tunneling isn't. 

 

Lastly; "Floating the idea of lynching Turin because he was town last time while saying it is a bad idea". What!?  I said Thorum did one suspicious thing. But it would be awkward to lynch you today since we lynched you yesterday. Not good or bad, just awkward. Where did you get the conclusion you did from!? (and lastly-lastly: LOL at your trying to put me forward as "buddying" Krak. I'm not even gonna dignify that with an answer). 

 

I do agree with one thing though, I think everyone should make a list. The fact that you did, and also pushed for everyone to do so makes me lean town on you pretty quickly. 

[Turin Turambar]

@Vos, quotes will have to wait but it looked like every time you mention something negative about Ishy you immediately cross it off with some sort of excuse of his behavior.

 

Hallia, reads please.

 

Yeah, Ishy too...

[nervositee]

@Vos, quotes will have to wait but it looked like every time you mention something negative about Ishy you immediately cross it off with some sort of excuse of his behavior.

 

 

Yes. You are right. I did. I explained it before, but ok, one last time:

 

This is a kind of timed game.

It didn't start out too good for town.

We are even on LYLO now, day 3. 

Ishy looks very scummy.

But I'm questioning if he is a safe lynch, because:

Are we sure he is scum, or do we dislike his meta?

This is Lylo

We have to make sure, as best as we can. 

 

And how fence-sitting on one player is scummy because I'm "defending the heck out of him"? Well, those are your words. 

[nervositee]

TBH, right now I think all of you are mafia. I had to include myself to have a solid townie.

 

06. Thorum Turin: TOWN TOWN TOWN. so very TOWN.

 

 

 

Trying mighty hard there, sir. 

By all means, I think you filled a town-slot, don't get me wrong. 

But come on!

[Alanna]

Looking over at everyone, I feel like there are a lot of players I'm not sure how to feel about right now

 

Ishy - still my number one pick for scum, I think. I've already documented my reasons for suspecting him, and he has said absolutely nothing to explain any of it.

 

Lily - the third party claim makes sense to me, but I'm not ruling her out at scum, either. It could be an attempt to save herself from a lynch, but that seems a little desperate and she wasn't really all that close to being lynched, I don't think.

 

Turin (Thorum) - He's one I really don't have a read for, mostly due to lack of content. He acted a little weird early on in the game, but it's not enough for me to feel very strongly about him. If it weren't LYLO, he might be an okay lynch, but as Turin pointed out, it really would be like a shot in the dark right now.

 

Vos - Sort of leaning towards town on him. He's been actively putting cases together and hasn't really done anything suspicious to me. I don't really see where he defended Ishy; he just felt more strongly about Turin, it seems like.

 

Hallia - not much of a read on her either; off the top of my head, I can't recall much that she's said at all

 

Krak - The only thing that struck me weird from him was his reaction to Ishy's play, which didn't seem all that brilliant to me. Otherwise, I would say I have a townish feel from him.

 

GF - no idea; as usual, hardly anything of content from GF. His coming on to hammer without much else, both times, would normally be very scummy, but since that's just the way GF plays, it's impossible to know. Can I just register how frustrating that is. I also don't know what he meant by all that about the mafia not killing him or whatever.

[LilyElizabeth]

 

I'm going to come clean before this gets out of hand. I'm not vt. I'm a 3rd party survivor. Lynch me and I obviously lose, but so will you. I've been scumhunting all game, and I'm still doing so. I don't like Ishy's push to lynch me at all. It reeks of scum trying to win the game quickly.

So you are saying that it current;y stands 4 town, 3 mafia, 1 third party? (TBH I thought GF was hinting at being 3rd party with his weird post about choosing mafia)

 

If a town is lynched today would you win? (if that is verboten then disregard)

 

That is correct.

 

Who do you see as the 3 mafia then? I guess Ishy is one of them.

 

Obviously Ishy, and then I'm leaning towards you and Hallia. (To be honest, I don't play like that. I try to find one at a time.)

[Hallia]

H'ok, this is from mobile sorry if it looks odd.

 

Ishy . Has been back and forth about Lily all game. His complete confidence that Mish was town preflip is odd, how could he know 100% and he was the same about Des. Scum lean

 

Lily - 3rd party claim. I'm inclined to believe it. Per this I would say scum for reasons listed earlier.

 

Thorum/ Turin - Scum for the whole thing stated earlier plus his early attempt to place Mish in a bad light.

 

Krak - Unsure, but with Ishy pushing him it makes me feel better about him

 

Alanna - Town lean due to Thorums initial nudge on Basel and her casings.

 

GF - Scum, random posts that don't make sense, odd hammers and voting Alanna ' just because of a possible excuse' ? Huh?

[nervositee]

I feel left out 

[Turin Turambar]

You left out Vos...

[Hallia]

I did stupid phone >.<

 

Nervie - Really good reads for someone so fresh, are you new to mafia in general or just DM? Amish or scum is helping a bunch if its the former

[nervositee]

It's my second mafia-game, but I've been on the receiving end of alot of rants, thought, and theories about mafia from Mish since she started, haha. 

[Hallia]

Haha!

[Graendals favourite]

Ishy, I'd lean on skum on him.

 

Lily, tend to believe the 3rd party, though I guess she might be skum

 

Thorum/ Turin, leaning on town,

 

Nerv, I'm somehow suspicious, though I suppose she could be town.

 

Hally, leaning on skum.

 

Krak, I believe town.

 

Alanna, could be town, but I have a sinking feeling she's really mafia, don't know what bothers me there.

 

GF, town

 

 

See, I'm suspicious a lot here.

[nervositee]

Come on now, I even put my gender in my profile ffs. 

[Graendals favourite]

Ah, sorry, must be the Finnish language

[nervositee]

hehe, no prob