[Basic] Christmas Mentors & Maffia

[Tommyrod]

 

We're voting for each other but what he's said makes sense if I turn my brain 25 degrees. So maybe he thinks he's right and I think I'm right and this is some hot town on town action. I'll let him prove his alignment to me through scumhunting but as it stands it looks like he's tunneling on me for some reason... which I do not qualify as scumhunting. QED.

If I'm wrong on both of ya then it's no big deal -- I'll adjust after a re-read. Every interaction is a useful interaction as far as solving the game goes. Even if I am way off, the way people respond to it will be telling later in the game

 

 

I don't disagree with anything you say here.  And I think his vote on you has a lot of OMGUS influencing it.  But your comments in this quote do not explain that statement you made.

 

You've basically pigeon holed him into only finding scum or else he is scum.  If he is town, then he is uninformed and may lead a town lynch.  Way did you make a statement that only gives one option?

 

If you meant you want to see him scumhunting, then why didn't you just say that?

I did say that, lol. You're interpreting it oddly. Chalk this one up to semantics. I use that line often and have never had someone question it like this before.

[Leelou]

 

 

Well considering you're already voting me I don't see why I should give you the benefit of the doubt here tbh.

It looks like you're...hmmm what would this be called. Small game hunting?

Blah, blah, blah. If I wanted you lynched I'd be pushing on you.

 

Uh, you kind of are. Hence the vote.

It's not like you're going to make it obvious but placing a vote on me, someone who tends to attract trains early and often, as soon as you enter the game without reason is basically going for the early lynch as far as I'm concerned. Trying to strike up the Hoof joke was the same thing. You're casting a wide net. What I can't tell yet is if you're doing this because you're trying to find a good place to bury your vote or if you're trying to see who would follow you.

 

 

That's for me to know and you to find out. You know damn well me just voting you is different than me pushing a lynch on you. 

[BFG]

Drink mafia ^TM

 

Catching up, but don't expect much sense

[Leelou]

 

 

We're voting for each other but what he's said makes sense if I turn my brain 25 degrees. So maybe he thinks he's right and I think I'm right and this is some hot town on town action. I'll let him prove his alignment to me through scumhunting but as it stands it looks like he's tunneling on me for some reason... which I do not qualify as scumhunting. QED.

If I'm wrong on both of ya then it's no big deal -- I'll adjust after a re-read. Every interaction is a useful interaction as far as solving the game goes. Even if I am way off, the way people respond to it will be telling later in the game

 

I don't disagree with anything you say here.  And I think his vote on you has a lot of OMGUS influencing it.  But your comments in this quote do not explain that statement you made.

 

You've basically pigeon holed him into only finding scum or else he is scum.  If he is town, then he is uninformed and may lead a town lynch.  Way did you make a statement that only gives one option?

 

If you meant you want to see him scumhunting, then why didn't you just say that?

I did say that, lol. You're interpreting it oddly. Chalk this one up to semantics. I use that line often and have never had someone question it like this before.

 

 

Welcome to stubbornville. 

[Tommyrod]

Ehh, I'm used to it. On WF I am the nail that sticks out because I'm new, don't like football, and make a cocky ass of myself in games.

 

It's fun though :p

[csarmi]

Experimental VC D01#03

 

 

 

BFG: -> Golden

Leelou: -> Nolder

Cloud: -> Elf

Peace: -> Elf

Tommy: -> Peace -> Turin

Elf: -> Peace

Turin: -> Tommy

 

 

 

Elf - 2 - Cloud, Peace

Nolder - 1- Leelou

Peace - 1 - Elf

Golden - 1 - BFG

Turin - 1 - Tommy

Tommy - 1 - Turin

 

Not voting: the rest of you

8 to lynch. No DL set.

[peacesells]

 

 

We're voting for each other but what he's said makes sense if I turn my brain 25 degrees. So maybe he thinks he's right and I think I'm right and this is some hot town on town action. I'll let him prove his alignment to me through scumhunting but as it stands it looks like he's tunneling on me for some reason... which I do not qualify as scumhunting. QED.

If I'm wrong on both of ya then it's no big deal -- I'll adjust after a re-read. Every interaction is a useful interaction as far as solving the game goes. Even if I am way off, the way people respond to it will be telling later in the game

 

I don't disagree with anything you say here.  And I think his vote on you has a lot of OMGUS influencing it.  But your comments in this quote do not explain that statement you made.

 

You've basically pigeon holed him into only finding scum or else he is scum.  If he is town, then he is uninformed and may lead a town lynch.  Way did you make a statement that only gives one option?

 

If you meant you want to see him scumhunting, then why didn't you just say that?

I did say that, lol. You're interpreting it oddly. Chalk this one up to semantics. I use that line often and have never had someone question it like this before.

 

 

Ok, I'll do that.  It's the only thing about your play that had pinged me. 

[GoldeneyesND]

The thread title threw me off. I hadn't realized we were in Day 1 til I saw the thread had gained like a million pages already. Looks like a pissing contest already? Tommy is slightly obnoxious, but I saw a preview of that in his secret circle game. I think between his and Turin's post lengths I'm going to go put on my glasses. Town reads on both. Cloud appears to be coming out a little more aggressively, but he's been lynched Day 1 in several recent games, so I'm not sure if that's a meta change or just an effort to survive Day 1, something Blackhoof seems to not be doing at all. Leaning scum on Cloud. I'm getting a townie vibe from Leelou, always Null on Peace at this point, I admit to have a hard time reading him. Nothing else as far as early reads go. I'll be around tomorrow night most likely, but probably not for the rest of the day. Merry Christmas to everyone who celebrates, or whatever your end of the year holiday happens to be.

[csarmi]

Thread title adjusted.

[csarmi]

Please do let me know if you're gonna be away for more than 36 hours. Completely acceptable during holidays - but i d like a heads up. Tx.

[Nolder]

Plus, BFG isn't a new player who needs you to instruct on how to play.

She's not new but confirmed innocent is a rare role.

It doesn't hurt to throw a little advice around. If you disagree with what I said say so and leave it at that.

 

 

 

I don't actually find him especially scummy right now, and I want to see what he says. And I am aware there are other paths my line of reasoning could take, but it seems best to go down the worst possible case first.

This is the most reasonable approach to Day 1.

 

Why?

 

Pressuring people, even if you don't actually find them scummy, to see what they say is pretty much essential for a successful Day 1.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't actually find him especially scummy right now, and I want to see what he says. And I am aware there are other paths my line of reasoning could take, but it seems best to go down the worst possible case first.

 

In one of your first posts you mentioned that Tom's eagerness is the only thing that stood out to you, and now you call him out for trying to get a lynch going by using very thin reasoning and at the same time trying to set up an escape if his attempt would fail. I again disagree with your explanation regarding his actions so far, but it's certainly interesting that you are now trying to backpaddle away from your initial read on him by saying that you want to wait for him to talk more. You haven't stated your suspicion on anyone else and you even admit that it's best to go with the worst possible case first, but you still aren't willing to vote for him at this stage of the game.

 

##vote Elf

 

Way way too eager.

 

Explain why it is too eager?

 

As I said before he seems to be edging towards a lynch and not just putting pressure.

Instead the usual "I think X is scummy so vote: you" he's actually making a pretty wordy case and trying to get people to follow him. That's not normal Day 1 behavior. To me it smacks of some sort of blitz tactic.

 

 

 

I'm not protecting you.

Yeah, you kind of were.

 

Or, he was pointing out an issue and the defense was secondary. This is actually good stuff because it can be crossed referenced later in the game. Even if he were defending..why discourage the behavior?

 

You don't defend people who's alignment you aren't sure of.

Especially not this early. It either means you're a townie flying blind or you're a scum who is buddying.

If people are getting pressure it's usually a good idea to let them speak for themselves before commenting.

This isn't any different than what I was telling BFG.

 

 

 

 

I'm not protecting you.

Got it, didn't see your vote until after I posted. Thought you were buddying me a little. No worries.

 

Let's see what he has to say.

 

That's the impression I got.

 

Or how you wish to spin it.

 

Or how you wish to present my impression of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

##vote elf

So someone said you start every game with "yo" which means you're aware of your own meta which means you're probably not a very adept player (no offense intended) since you have a gimmick to cover yourself. Why are you me-too-ing Cloud's vote without any prior commentary or justification? If anyone has the right to be second in line here, it's me. Pls explain

 

 

Probably because I'm not a very adept player.  Really, why are you asking questions you've already answered for yourself?

 

Uh... that's the cue for you to explain your vote. Go on. We won't bite!

 

 

Why is it necessary to regurgitate Cloud's reasons?

 

Because if you say nothing at all you're not held accountable.

You can just make up any BS later. If you just repeat someone else's reasoning it can be analyzed and called bad or good.

It's about broadcasting your towniness to other players, which so far you've failed to do.

 

It's not "all about broadcasting towniness" although that is a good way to start. It's also all about causing people to react in ways that give clues to their alignment. Again, you are playing the "I'm gonna teach the town how to play card and look townee myself for doing it.

 

*shrug* It's not a card it's just what I do.

Especially in basic games. I like to give my thoughts on game theory and tactics.

I do this in games and outside of them. Again if you think anything I've said is wrong or misleading feel free to point it out.

[Nolder]

 

 

 

 

Why is it necessary to regurgitate Cloud's reasons?

Am I supposed to read your mind as to why you randomly voted without reasoning?

 

All: is this normal behavior from peacesells?

 

Yes. He tends to be very stubborn as town and has caused some of the worst instances of town on town arguing I've seen in recent memory.

 

Recent memory? We've played 1 game together in the past 8 month.

 

1 game? Try 6. Unless you want to count Darthe's 3 in 1 game(s) as 1 game. In which case we've played 4.

And, ya know, that's just what we've played together. I don't often comment on games I'm not in because it's rude but I spectate from time to time and I'm sure I've observed some games you were in. And that's not even mentioning game I've modded either. So don't act like I don't have the possibility to know your playstyle. I may be wrong but it's not from lack of observation or first hand experience.

 

Links: DPR Ghost Game, Enter The Dragon Game, The Walking Dead Game, and Darthe's games 1, 2, and 3.

 

 

 

 

If you guys had a gun to your head and had to choose would you say this is more town peace or scum peace

 

The snarkiness is a bit much

Your false bravado is overly much.  It's a crutch for player with weak ego's. 

 

How's your hold'em game?  You play online?

 

1. I've seen bravado, false or otherwise serve some players very well.

 

Meh..it's a fluff post crutch and although "some" players who use the tactic are good they are far and few between. Mostly, someone comes in with an engaging personality does it, and others follow suit cause they think it is fun. To me it's fluff. Can be funny in moderation...but lately it's like tattoos. No longer cool cause everyone does it...including your grandparents.

 

Fair enough.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh and yeah, I don't think analysing first posts on day one is helpful except to give scum reads on easy lynchs

 

Actually, it's the most town thing you can do.  It put you out there to be read.  Tommy gives me strong town vibes just for that one action.  He may be the new guy coming in here insulting people before anyone knows him...and has no clues on how to behave in a social setting when you are the new guy but he is town so far.

 

It's interesting that you're talking about insults when in the past you've been one of the most outspoken people about gameplay being gameplay and nothing else.

 

So how does my view on gameplay mean I can't address insults?

 

I just think it's interesting that you usually defend the ability to say something insulting or offcolor in mafia but now you seem to be complaining about it. I'll also note you seem to be flustered having this pointed out.

 

P.S. Dragonmount can go jump off a cliff.

This is another reason why I don't play mafia here as much anymore.

I am so goddamn sick of quote limits.

[Nolder]

 

 

 

Well considering you're already voting me I don't see why I should give you the benefit of the doubt here tbh.

It looks like you're...hmmm what would this be called. Small game hunting?

Blah, blah, blah. If I wanted you lynched I'd be pushing on you.

 

Uh, you kind of are. Hence the vote.

It's not like you're going to make it obvious but placing a vote on me, someone who tends to attract trains early and often, as soon as you enter the game without reason is basically going for the early lynch as far as I'm concerned. Trying to strike up the Hoof joke was the same thing. You're casting a wide net. What I can't tell yet is if you're doing this because you're trying to find a good place to bury your vote or if you're trying to see who would follow you.

 

 

That's for me to know and you to find out. You know damn well me just voting you is different than me pushing a lynch on you.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

It's like saying L-1 isn't a death sentence even if it's close to deadline.

But you and I both know that on DM it is.

[Nolder]

Drink mafia ^TM

 

Catching up, but don't expect much sense

I will join you...maybe...possibly...in like a few hours or something. Maybe.

[BFG]

To gage scummymess from an opening post and asking others to do so just seems like your trying to get a lynch going on very thin grounds, while having an excuse if they come up innocent, also you haven't given the same analysis you asked for until now, kinda like so later if anyone had said something that started a lynch train, you can point to them and say it was their idea.

 

And why golden bfg?

 

With Des as mentor, figure there's a better than even chance of being mafia.  I.e. no real reason.

[Nolder]

 

 

 

We're voting for each other but what he's said makes sense if I turn my brain 25 degrees. So maybe he thinks he's right and I think I'm right and this is some hot town on town action. I'll let him prove his alignment to me through scumhunting but as it stands it looks like he's tunneling on me for some reason... which I do not qualify as scumhunting. QED.

If I'm wrong on both of ya then it's no big deal -- I'll adjust after a re-read. Every interaction is a useful interaction as far as solving the game goes. Even if I am way off, the way people respond to it will be telling later in the game

 

I don't disagree with anything you say here.  And I think his vote on you has a lot of OMGUS influencing it.  But your comments in this quote do not explain that statement you made.

 

You've basically pigeon holed him into only finding scum or else he is scum.  If he is town, then he is uninformed and may lead a town lynch.  Way did you make a statement that only gives one option?

 

If you meant you want to see him scumhunting, then why didn't you just say that?

 

I did say that, lol. You're interpreting it oddly. Chalk this one up to semantics. I use that line often and have never had someone question it like this before.

 

 

Welcome to stubbornville.

 

Population: 14

[Nolder]

Ehh, I'm used to it. On WF I am the nail that sticks out because I'm new, don't like football, and make a cocky ass of myself in games.

 

It's fun though :p

What is WF?

[hazelkrs1]

Merry Christmas everyone!

 

*gives mentee a new Fighting Irish chair to relax in after all the posting he's done so far *

 

[BFG]

Leelou is town.

Why?

[hazelkrs1]

 

Ehh, I'm used to it. On WF I am the nail that sticks out because I'm new, don't like football, and make a cocky ass of myself in games.

 

It's fun though :p

What is WF?

Pretty much JN on steroids.

[Nolder]

 

 

Ehh, I'm used to it. On WF I am the nail that sticks out because I'm new, don't like football, and make a cocky ass of myself in games.

 

It's fun though :p

What is WF?

 

Pretty much JN on steroids.

 

BRB SIGNING UP

 

Even JN is kind of light for my tastes to be perfectly honest.

[GoldeneyesND]

My chair is awesome Des. BFG, I will take your vote as further proof of your crush on me. I approve of the crush, but not the vote.

[Hallia]

Merry Christmas everyone!  Christmas dinner is cooked, presents are wrapped, and I've got mah hot tea and mah It's a Wonderful Life going.  Life is good!

[csarmi]

Hey :-)

 

Merry you too, Hally.

[csarmi]

Experimental VC D01#04

 

 

 

BFG: -> Golden

Leelou: -> Nolder

Cloud: -> Elf

Peace: -> Elf

Tommy: -> Peace -> Turin

Elf: -> Peace

Turin: -> Tommy

 

 

 

Elf - 2 - Cloud, Peace

Nolder - 1- Leelou

Peace - 1 - Elf

Golden - 1 - BFG

Turin - 1 - Tommy

Tommy - 1 - Turin

 

Not voting: the rest of you

8 to lynch. No DL set.

 

Now that was easy.