[Basic] Christmas Mentors & Maffia

[Nolder]

I've addressed all your points.

I'll give you a couple from post #874.

You never addressed the fact that you voted Hallia despite being able to (seemingly) make a better case on me.

You never addressed my accusation of "aloofness" or "active lurking" other than to say you were sick but when I followed up on that and explained that it was more than just being absent but also how you'd run into and out of conversations without finishing them you never responded, which is a perfect example of what I was talking about ironically enough.

 

Your biggest one was that I did not present a case on Golden.

This is your opinion and it's wrong.

I never said or indicated in any way that anything you had to do with Golden was central to my case on you.

In fact I would say it's your pattern of not explaining your votes overall. Golden was the one time where you did explain your vote and it was only after being pushed (twice IIRC) and it wasn't a very good explanation even then (imo).

 

I've quoted it 2 times for you and you have ignored it both times.

In post #905 I clearly acknowledge your case two times. Once at the beginning of the post in my numbered list and then again after the second quote where I go on to tell you why I think it was a bad explanation.

[Nolder]

100% verifiably false statements.

[peacesells]

 

I've addressed all your points.

I'll give you a couple from post #874.

You never addressed the fact that you voted Hallia despite being able to (seemingly) make a better case on me.

You never addressed my accusation of "aloofness" or "active lurking" other than to say you were sick but when I followed up on that and explained that it was more than just being absent but also how you'd run into and out of conversations without finishing them you never responded, which is a perfect example of what I was talking about ironically enough.

 

 

Your biggest one was that I did not present a case on Golden.

This is your opinion and it's wrong.

I never said or indicated in any way that anything you had to do with Golden was central to my case on you.

In fact I would say it's your pattern of not explaining your votes overall. Golden was the one time where you did explain your vote and it was only after being pushed (twice IIRC) and it wasn't a very good explanation even then (imo).

 

I've quoted it 2 times for you and you have ignored it both times.

In post #905 I clearly acknowledge your case two times. Once at the beginning of the post in my numbered list and then again after the second quote where I go on to tell you why I think it was a bad explanation.

 

 

#1 and I disagreed with your assessments.  They were weak, like I've said before.

 

#2 how do you combat and aloofness accusation.  Maybe look of the definition of aloof, then provide posts of mine that back up your claim. 

 

#3  You've referenced several times that I did not case Golden...so it appears to be a large point to you. (regardless of whether you expressly stated it as such). 

You've stated that I never presented a case.  I proved there that you are the one who lied cause I reposted now 4 times for you.  (Your 100% verifiable false statement)

[peacesells]

Nolder.  Do you have a clear read on Hally as town?

[peacesells]

This is your #905 post.
 

 

Nolder, you keep accusing me of not giving reason's.

Because it's true. One time does not change the trend.
Let's go back through this entire thread and look at your votes shall we?

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• Post #114 you vote Elf with no reason. We all remember how this went don't we? Tommy asked you to explain your vote. You didn't, instead you dodged and implied your reasons were the same as Cloud's but never stated so outright. Elf asked you to explain. You ignored her. She votes you and asks again. You tell her to reread the thread as if there is something to find other than nonsense and dodging. I jump in and explain why asking why you have to "regurgitate" Cloud's reasons aren't the same as saying "I agree with Cloud" and that you still need to give a reason. You ignore that and call me scum. Let's move on to your next vote.
• Post #279 you vote Goldeneyes and say his last post was a "big pile" that you'll explain in the morning. Maybe. You didn't so Cloud reminded you and asked you to explain again. You say you will if things calm down at work. You do eventually get around to it in post #305 but the only thing you said which can be called a case IMO was the last bit where you say Goldeneyes was very "astute and succinct" in his other game with you and now he isn't. Which strangely echo's Leelou. Or maybe she's echoing you. Regardless this is the one time you give any kind of reason or explanation. Let's move on and prove that though.
• Post #831 you vote me. Your case? "His voting actions yesterday were scummy.  Looked made to hide any info incase he got lynched.  His reasoning did not suffice to me." That's a direct quote as anyone who wishes to click the link will see. You've made 3 votes in two game days and 46 pages and not once have you bothered to actually case anyone. "do I really have to regurgitate?" "the play is different from some other game" "the voting is scummy". This is all trash and I've called it as such every time.

I gave a clear reason for voting Golden.   I even quoted for you a page back.  You continue to fabricate to make your stories seem more true.

It's not clear. At it's very best it's a meta case which is unreliable in the best of circumstances between individuals who have played together for years. You've played all of two games with Golden and somehow you and Leelou think you have his meta down to the point where that's all you need to lynch him? I think you buried your vote on a teammate early because your style this game is to remain quiet and lurky. Maybe you're the GF trying to bait a cop view idk but what I do know is your play is scummy and you deserve to be lynched for it.
 

Hally never voted Golden.

Yes, I was mistaken.
 

I've played in many games with Hally...probably many more than you.  And your representation of her is incorrect.  She does not post a lot...but when she does it means something usually.  This game...nothing.  There hasn't been 1 game related post.

You're either lying intentionally or just plain wrong.
It could be possible the times she's played with me and done the same you weren't in those games.
I'm not going to take the time to prove you wrong right now but if you want to hold to this claim or if Hallia would like to see what I'm saying either of you can feel free to PM me after the game and I'll go through old games with you guys and point out how often she posts fluff and not much else.
 

Set up talk is distracting and IS a common mafia/scum tactic.  Scum hunt and all will work out.  If we lynch 4 total scum and the game isn't over...then worry about a survivor.  You want to survivor hunt?  That is a scum ploy...not town ploy.

Setup talk CAN be distracting. Not IS.
It is dependent on the situation. Right now you are making it distracting.
It happened for a couple posts and now it's done which is a perfect example of useful setup talk going perfectly.
If I was pushing setup talk you might have had a point but I already dropped it and moved on.
The fact that you are trying to push this angle just reeks of desperation.
 

And as far as you calling me aloof???  I've been laid up in bed with the flu since last Thursday.  I've made that clear.

Have you? Made it clear I mean. You're someone's who's posts I tried not to skip or skim and I've gone back and reread a couple times now and I don't recall you or anyone else mentioning being sick. If that's true I'm sorry you've been sick but I think you misunderstand what I meant when I said aloof. You're taking it to mean inactive or lurky it seems and thaat's not what I meant. I meant aloof in the "active lurking sense". You are here and you make that clear but you don't engage in discussion like the rest of us do. And when you're forced into one you disappear and/or change the subject and start a debate with someone else. I noticed you used this tactic to avoid explaining your votes three or four times by picking a fight with Tommy in the early game.

Funny you wish to use that logic on me considering your aloofness and lack of participation the first 30 pages of the game.

Logical fallacy. Tu Quoque.
You're answering criticism with criticism instead of engaging with my argument.
What I do, right or wrong, has nothing to do with what you do, right or wrong.
Putting that aside though I payed for my activity problems by nearly being lynched and still actively being on several peoples scum lists including our confirmed town.

 

 

Nolder, you keep accusing me of not giving reason's.

Because it's true. One time does not change the trend.
Let's go back through this entire thread and look at your votes shall we?

•  
• Post #114 you vote Elf with no reason. We all remember how this went don't we? Tommy asked you to explain your vote. You didn't, instead you dodged and implied your reasons were the same as Cloud's but never stated so outright. Elf asked you to explain. You ignored her. She votes you and asks again. You tell her to reread the thread as if there is something to find other than nonsense and dodging. I jump in and explain why asking why you have to "regurgitate" Cloud's reasons aren't the same as saying "I agree with Cloud" and that you still need to give a reason. You ignore that and call me scum. Let's move on to your next vote.

It was clear I agree with Clouds case. 

• Post #279 you vote Goldeneyes and say his last post was a "big pile" that you'll explain in the morning. Maybe. You didn't so Cloud reminded you and asked you to explain again. You say you will if things calm down at work. You do eventually get around to it in post #305 but the only thing you said which can be called a case IMO was the last bit where you say Goldeneyes was very "astute and succinct" in his other game with you and now he isn't. Which strangely echo's Leelou. Or maybe she's echoing you. Regardless this is the one time you give any kind of reason or explanation. Let's move on and prove that though.

I posted the reasoning as soon as opportunity presented itself.  Had nothing to do with Cloud  And the WHOLE post was my case.  Not just the last line. 

• Post #831 you vote me. Your case? "His voting actions yesterday were scummy.  Looked made to hide any info incase he got lynched.  His reasoning did not suffice to me." That's a direct quote as anyone who wishes to click the link will see. You've made 3 votes in two game days and 46 pages and not once have you bothered to actually case anyone. "do I really have to regurgitate?" "the play is different from some other game" "the voting is scummy". This is all trash and I've called it as such every time.

That was my case on you.  You were hiding your vote 3 hours before deadline trying to start a new train.  You refused to vote even when pressure to the 2 other prevailing trains at the time.  Just because you don't call it a case...doesn't make it not one. 

 

 

 

 

 

Everyone one of your responses has been in the format of seeing something white and calling it black.

 

"Peace has never presented a reason for voting Goldeneyes."

 

Here...here is the case that you missed.

 

"Why doesn't peace present the case?"

 

Dude..it's right here. Lookee lookee.

 

"Peace has a trend of not presenting cases."

 

Seriously?  I've requoted one 3 times. 

 

"Oh...that's not a case."

 

WTF?

 

 

 

Then previously when I've cased you and gave my reasons.  You respond back with things like "I was busy and I'm not gonna apologize for it."  So...what, we take your word for it?   Oh, Nolder said he was busy and when he is busy skimming is ok.  No reason to suspect him.  Seriously...why do you act so offended when someone thinks you are scum in a scum hunting game?  I don't get it.

 

 

Basically, I'm tired of going back and forth with you when your only real response is "He's lying."

 

I'm sure everyone else here is tired of the tit for tat between us as well. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Blackhoof]

Not quite sure what to make of this fight.... seems like they are misunderstanding each other quite a bit. Both have been scummy to me at times but that is counterbalanced recently by the Golden lynch mainly. Most likely town-on-town fighting I think.

 

As for Krak's case on Hallia, it is interesting because they are both pretty high on my list. Krak could very well be bussing her but I'm not sure.... I am content to lynch Hallia and see how she flips. She has not been acting townish at all, and her constant niceness could very well just be mafia sort of-buddying.

[Nolder]

 

 

I've addressed all your points.

I'll give you a couple from post #874.

You never addressed the fact that you voted Hallia despite being able to (seemingly) make a better case on me.

You never addressed my accusation of "aloofness" or "active lurking" other than to say you were sick but when I followed up on that and explained that it was more than just being absent but also how you'd run into and out of conversations without finishing them you never responded, which is a perfect example of what I was talking about ironically enough.

 

 

Your biggest one was that I did not present a case on Golden.

This is your opinion and it's wrong.

I never said or indicated in any way that anything you had to do with Golden was central to my case on you.

In fact I would say it's your pattern of not explaining your votes overall. Golden was the one time where you did explain your vote and it was only after being pushed (twice IIRC) and it wasn't a very good explanation even then (imo).

 

I've quoted it 2 times for you and you have ignored it both times.

In post #905 I clearly acknowledge your case two times. Once at the beginning of the post in my numbered list and then again after the second quote where I go on to tell you why I think it was a bad explanation.

 

 

#1 and I disagreed with your assessments.  They were weak, like I've said before.

 

#2 how do you combat and aloofness accusation.  Maybe look of the definition of aloof, then provide posts of mine that back up your claim. 

 

#3  You've referenced several times that I did not case Golden...so it appears to be a large point to you. (regardless of whether you expressly stated it as such). 

You've stated that I never presented a case.  I proved there that you are the one who lied cause I reposted now 4 times for you.  (Your 100% verifiable false statement)

1. Can you cite where you disagreed with either of those? The only time I can recall is when you said you were sick but I clarified that "absent" was not exactly what I was getting at and I don't remember you responding to that. 

 

2. Unless you're still talking about the last thing, in which case I don't know why you've numbered this #2, I don't know what you're talking about. My main case against you has been your abnormal voting pattern. Not specifically how you voted Goldeneye, nor your...reasons for doing so, nor the aloofness which you seem to be stuck on now.

 

3. I believe I may have said once that you didn't case Golden and what I was really trying to get at, which I explained, was that your only "reason" was meta and that's a really crap reason for someone you've played all of two games with. Do you often claim to know someone and the motivations for their actions very well when you've only just met them? As for your actual statement here, you said that I ignored the case and I quoted a post showing I didn't. What you said was wrong. You can call me a liar as many times as I want but anyone can go back and check the facts. As I already said this is a really flawed tactic you're trying out. At least I hope that's what you're doing.

[Nolder]

Nolder.  Do you have a clear read on Hally as town?

No, she's someone I need to reread.

[BFG]

@Nolder, These are my opinions at the end of Day 1 given what I remember of Day 2, but mostly from Day 1. Re. Peace, he voted Golden in 279, explained it in 305. Leelou votes Halloa in 412, Theo was third onto Golden 416 (at this time my votes still parked), Leelous vote and explanation on Golden came much later 607. At the time of Peaces vote, nobody else has really commented on Golden post. Leelous voting you over Golden is something that pinged me on my read through yesterday.

 

Having just reread 874, it's an interesting point, but I'm going to have to read it in context.

 

(sorry posting from tablet which won't allow pasting or quoting - it's on IE11, hopefully be able to post from laptop tonight)

 

I'll hopefully get through Night 1 over lunch, but Day 2 will have to wait till tonight.

[Nolder]

It was clear I agree with Clouds case.

No, it wasn't. And calling you out for that was one of the first things I did in this game.

Post #180 I say "Actually you need to be clearer. Saying "do I really have to regurgitate Cloud's reasoning" is not actually saying that you agree with Cloud's reasoning. Stop being difficult please." I explained my reasoning prior in post #178 saying "Because if you say nothing at all you're not held accountable. You can just make up any BS later. If you just repeat someone else's reasoning it can be analyzed and called bad or good. It's about broadcasting your towniness to other players, which so far you've failed to do." You didn't like the part about broadcasting towniness which is fine I guess since not everyone plays that way when town but the point that you need to be held accountable for your votes stands and, as my case on you exists, this is EXACTLY what you've been avoiding all game.

 

I posted the reasoning as soon as opportunity presented itself.  Had nothing to do with Cloud  And the WHOLE post was my case.  Not just the last line.

The whole post is a case? How?

 

First part, you disagree with him that Elf was presenting her opinions as best or right.

This is not indicative of scum nor is it clear when you argue the point here that you are suggesting what he said somehow suggests that he is scum. This is just nitpicking and is meaningless especially if you don't connect it to the larger case which you don't. It is, at best, a standalone disagreement on an opinion.

 

Second part, call him out for disagreeing but not saying WHY he disagrees. This is a fair criticism but again this isn't necessarily indicative of scum nor is it clear that you are suggesting it is. You are not presenting a pattern you're just disagreeing and calling out flaws in his argument. You can do that just as easily to a townie who has bad arguments.

 

Scum vibe bit, this is good. You explain the manipulation that is obviously scummy.

 

Lyingly bit, same a first and second parts. It's just a disagreement that has no connection to a wider case.

 

And of course your last line which you yourself says is most important which indicates to me that the rest of this is nonsense observations and that you realize that is about meta. Meta on someone you've played 2 games with. Actually, no, one game because this was Day 1 of your second game so you can't really claim to have played a second game with him yet.

 

At best you have two lines of a case.

Weak. Sauce.

 

That was my case on you.  You were hiding your vote 3 hours before deadline trying to start a new train.  You refused to vote even when pressure to the 2 other prevailing trains at the time.  Just because you don't call it a case...doesn't make it not one.

It's about as poor a case as you can get.

And that's saying something since you used meta as a reason for a guy you played 1 game with.

 

Everyone one of your responses has been in the format of seeing something white and calling it black.

 

"Peace has never presented a reason for voting Goldeneyes."

 

Here...here is the case that you missed.

 

"Why doesn't peace present the case?"

 

Dude..it's right here. Lookee lookee.

 

"Peace has a trend of not presenting cases."

 

Seriously?  I've requoted one 3 times. 

 

"Oh...that's not a case."

 

WTF?

No, it's more like this.

Peace has a trend of not presenting cases with his votes.

"Here is a case I posted on Golden"

Yeah but it's like one sentence and is pretty god awful besides. Also that doesn't account for the other times you've done it.

"HERE IS MY CASE ON GOLDEN WHY ARE YOU IGNORING ME"

I'm not ignoring you I'm saying your case on Golden is bad and you should feel bad and I am also stating that your other votes lacked any proper reasoning.

"DUDE I MADE A CASE ON GOLDEN IT'S RIGHT HERE CANT YOU SEE IT OMG SCUM"

Yeah...I saw it. We've been talking about this for awhile now and you seem to be missing the point. It has a lot less to do with the case on Golden (if you really must call it that) and more to do with the other votes which lacked reasoning and the fact that overall you seem to be avoiding making statements which you could be held accountable to later when you vote. You give the bare minimum or less.

"OMFG LOOK AT THIS SCUM OVER HERE IGNORING ME AND DERAILING THE THREAD WITH SETUP TALK. I POSTED MY GOLDEN CASE 6 MILLION TIMES AND HE WONT LOOK AT IT RRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!111"

 

I would find it funny if it wasn't so obnoxious.

 

Then previously when I've cased you and gave my reasons.  You respond back with things like "I was busy and I'm not gonna apologize for it."  So...what, we take your word for it?   Oh, Nolder said he was busy and when he is busy skimming is ok.  No reason to suspect him.  Seriously...why do you act so offended when someone thinks you are scum in a scum hunting game?  I don't get it.

Did you really just say that?

I mean you understand what you're saying right?

You're accusing me of lying, violating the spirit of the game, cheating.

If that's how you feel then I don't think we can play together anymore.

There has to be a level of trust between players (and mods). We have to trust that people aren't communicating outside the game for instance even though they easily could, especially dead people who are revealed the setups. Likewise when someone says they are busy or sick or whatever else that reasonably disrupts their ability to participate we trust it. Because we as a community know that LYING about such a thing is cheating and not something anyone respectful would ever do. I believe...Darthe (correct me if I'm wrong here anyone) did this once and admitted to it and apologized and even then, please forgive my use of language here everyone, people tore him a new asshole. And this is what you think I did? Even possibly? No I didn't and would never do something like that. I was at a friends house helping him take care of his crippled mother and clean the house while his father and fiance were away for a funeral because his grandpa died. This is beyond a reasonable suspicion and yes I am mildly offended right now because I've never done anything to warrant such mistrust. This isn't even a gameplay accusation and if this is something you really believe I've done I think you should take it up with Csarmi and Verbal because there is nothing I can say to you that would matter if you already distrust me that much.

 

 

And that everyone is why we don't bring real life into the game.

If you're busy or sick or whatever it's best to just be silent about it or say as little as possible.

I made the mistake of using my busy-ness as an excuse because I didn't want it to seem like I was intentionally avoiding the game or just being lazy. This is what that leads to and I'm sorry I did that. I should have known better.

 

Basically, I'm tired of going back and forth with you when your only real response is "He's lying."

 

I'm sure everyone else here is tired of the tit for tat between us as well.

Agreed. I think it's time to stop arguing with each other and let others make up their own minds.

We're just rehashing what each other said now so there's no sense in continuing.

[peacesells]

Nolder.

 

Really, I'm done with you dude.  This round and round and round is boring.

 

 

Push my lynch, what ever dude.  You are being an ass.

[Nolder]

Whatever you may think of my arguments and rhetoric, at least I never called you a cheater and a (real world) liar.

[peacesells]

Whatever you may think of my arguments and rhetoric, at least I never called you a cheater and a (real world) liar.

 

Nolder, I do have some strong opinions about you that aren't very flattering.  But cheater and (real world) liar has never crossed my mind.

[Nolder]

Well then I think you should reread what you said and what it means in the broader scope of things because that is exactly what you insinuated.

[Blackhoof]

What an interesting game....

[peacesells]

Well then I think you should reread what you said and what it means in the broader scope of things because that is exactly what you insinuated.

 

I don't have a clue what you are talking about.  You've lost your mind.

[Nolder]

 

Well then I think you should reread what you said and what it means in the broader scope of things because that is exactly what you insinuated.

 

I don't have a clue what you are talking about.  You've lost your mind.

 

Fine. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and explain as simply as I can.

 

When we all play mafia together we are using an honor system. That is to say, we trust each other to act honorably aka not cheat. We are using this system inherently because it would be really simple to cheat in a forum mafia game. That is what most game rules are set up to prevent but a few of them can still be broken and abused such as talking outside the game thread. Another example of cheating would be to excuse low activity by using fake IRL reasons such as busy at work, sick, power outage, etc. This obviously isn't on the same level as communicating with others outside the game but it is still deceitful outside the context of the game. We are all supposed to be friends or at least friendly acquaintances before and after the game. When the game ends so does hostility and suspicion and whatnot. This is why abusing the sympathy of your friends and fellow mafia compatriots is taboo and off limits. We want to be able to trust someone and act like normal people if something bad happens like they need to have surgery or find a new place to live or whatever it may be that is keeping them from the game. We don't want to treat things like that was open suspicion and contempt because we want to foster a friendly environment and community, at least outside the context of the games.

 

I was kept busy for ~4 days. I couldn't find the time like I normally do to post multiple times a day or make long posts.

As I said I should have just kept the fact that I was busy to myself and let people think whatever they were going to think but I made the decision to say hey I'm going to be busy please try to excuse some low activity for a few days. I was not lying, I was legitimately busy. I PM'd Csarmi about it as well which he can confirm after the game if he wants. 

 

Now here's the thing, you expressed doubt that I was busy. I will quote it for you. "Then previously when I've cased you and gave my reasons.  You respond back with things like "I was busy and I'm not gonna apologize for it."  So...what, we take your word for it?   Oh, Nolder said he was busy and when he is busy skimming is ok.  No reason to suspect him.  Seriously...why do you act so offended when someone thinks you are scum in a scum hunting game?  I don't get it." The answer is, yes. Because we as a community don't lie about these kinds of things. This is just assumed of everyone automatically. If anyone has done so or they continue to do so I hope they read these posts and stop because it is a severe violation of the honor system and the spirit of the game. Now you can argue all you want that I should have somehow made more time or that I still shouldn't have skimmed or whatever else and that makes me scum somehow. I think that is stupid but I have no problem with that. I do however take real issue with the fact that you are insinuating I may have lied about being busy aka that I cheated. No it's not a possibility if you trust me at all. If you don't I'd appreciate it if you gave some sort of reasoning or proof and maybe we can talk it over with Verbal. Or if you don't want to that's fine too whatever. How you feel is your business. But if you really do feel that way then as I said I think it's best we don't play together anymore because you will always have that doubt that maybe I am a cheater and personally I don't want that hanging over my head while I'm trying to play a game and have fun.

 

So I hope now you understand exactly what you were saying and why what you said really wasn't ok. You threw down the gauntlet.

Again if that's something you believe I would do that's fine I guess even though I don't know what I have done to make you think I'd violate our honor system like that but if it's not then maybe you can re explain yourself because I don't know any other way to take what you said.

[peacesells]

Nolder...there are plenty of players on DM mafia who have lied about being busy in order to make reasons for lurking.   People have admitted it openly. 

 

People have faked emo.

 

They have faked headaches.

 

They have faked the flu.  (I had the flu..but I wouldn't get bent if you accused me of lying about it.)

 

So...put on your big boy pants and GET OVER IT.

[peacesells]

Here's Nolders real view on claiming busy.  Nolder...you and your fake scummy emo can just get lynched.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/82680-rl-issues-and-mafia/?hl=lying

 

 

Didn't read any responses yet since I don't want my own response to be influenced.

 

The reason people harp on others for mentioning RL is not because we don't care but because it's irrelevant. 

You were sick, your kids were sick, your computer died, a family member died, you were busy, zombies invaded. Whatever.

All of that sucks but it doesn't have anything to do with the game.

I understand it can be frustrating when people are asking you where you've been and then they either don't care for your answer or perhaps even insinuate you may be lying but the thing to remember is that most of those people are just as frustrated as you and they can't take anything you say for anything but gameplay. To do otherwise would be a mistake.

It's poor form to fake RL issues to cover for lurking but it does happen from time to time. And the other people will say they don't believe you just to rile you up. Because that is part of mafia. It's harsh but some players are cutthroat. 

 

One thing I personally don't like is when people say they "have a life outside mafia/DM" or whatever. That to me translates to blowing off the game (and thus the responsibility to play that you voluntarily agreed to take on when you signed up) in order to hang out with friends or watch tv or whatever it is you do. If something important cropped up that prevented you from playing that's one thing but treating a group game you chose to participate in with low priority compared to every day activities is a good way to get on my bad side. That's just me though, dunno if other people treat that differently from any other RL excuse.

[csarmi]

Baby - did you forget to take your meds?

[Leelou]

Can we get back to the game? All this back and forth is giving me a headache. Where is everyone? I feel like we haven't heard from Tommy in ages.

[Nolder]

Nolder...you and your fake scummy emo can just get lynched.

First of all I'm not "emo", I'm more pissed than anything. Nor have I faked anything related to this discussion.

Again you are calling me a liar, and not a liar in the sense of playing mafia but really a liar.

 

Here's Nolders real view on claiming busy. 

Didn't read any responses yet since I don't want my own response to be influenced.

 

The reason people harp on others for mentioning RL is not because we don't care but because it's irrelevant. 

You were sick, your kids were sick, your computer died, a family member died, you were busy, zombies invaded. Whatever.

All of that sucks but it doesn't have anything to do with the game.

I understand it can be frustrating when people are asking you where you've been and then they either don't care for your answer or perhaps even insinuate you may be lying but the thing to remember is that most of those people are just as frustrated as you and they can't take anything you say for anything but gameplay. To do otherwise would be a mistake.

It's poor form to fake RL issues to cover for lurking but it does happen from time to time. And the other people will say they don't believe you just to rile you up. Because that is part of mafia. It's harsh but some players are cutthroat. 

 

One thing I personally don't like is when people say they "have a life outside mafia/DM" or whatever. That to me translates to blowing off the game (and thus the responsibility to play that you voluntarily agreed to take on when you signed up) in order to hang out with friends or watch tv or whatever it is you do. If something important cropped up that prevented you from playing that's one thing but treating a group game you chose to participate in with low priority compared to every day activities is a good way to get on my bad side. That's just me though, dunno if other people treat that differently from any other RL excuse.

 

Nothing I said here is inconsistent with what I have been saying in this game.

I even said I shouldn't have brought my RL into this by saying I would be busy.

I am not saying you should care why I was busy and grant me some special privilege.

I am saying it's wrong to call me a liar over it.

 

And, by the way, the context in which this post was made was for people who are...chronically busy.

No need to name drop but there are people who go MIA for some period almost every game.

It is about them that post was mostly addressing.

 

I am not someone that often disappears in a game and I invoke "RL" as an excuse even less because I know even when I'm busy I can usually make some time for mafia and just don't. That wasn't the case for this game. I was busy and made as much time as I could for mafia outside my obligations irl. It's amazing how you and others can defend these people who join games and disappear or sub out all the time but the one time I call RL in who knows how long I'm a liar? No, you're just being an asshole.

[Krakalakachkn]

Can we get back to the game? All this back and forth is giving me a headache. Where is everyone? I feel like we haven't heard from Tommy in ages.

 

Tommy mentioned he'd be gone all weekend, so hopefully we'll see him today.

 

 

And yes, we can get back to the game.  I think Hallia is the best lynch for today, how about you?

[Krakalakachkn]

We have about 15 1/2 hours left to go.

[Leelou]

 

Can we get back to the game? All this back and forth is giving me a headache. Where is everyone? I feel like we haven't heard from Tommy in ages.

 

Tommy mentioned he'd be gone all weekend, so hopefully we'll see him today.

 

 

And yes, we can get back to the game.  I think Hallia is the best lynch for today, how about you?

 

 

Hallia or Via in my opinion.