[Basic] Christmas Mentors & Maffia

[elffern]

## vote peace you still haven't explained why you voted for me? I don't min you voting for me, so much as not giving a reason.

 

Btw, why nolder leelou?

[peacesells]

## vote peace you still haven't explained why you voted for me? I don't min you voting for me, so much as not giving a reason.

 

Btw, why nolder leelou?

 

then you need to re-read. 

[Nolder]

*yawn*

 

##vote Nol

Are you going to sit in my lap too? ;)

 

 Peace starts every game with yo regardless of alignment

Dunno if you've ever been confirmed innocent before but FYI it's better to not defend people without at least seeing their reactions first.

Especially this early in the game. People will be looking to you for straight answers to help them sort out their own thoughts and you don't want to accidentally defend scum when their reaction could have proved useful if they'd been on the spot without any support.

 

I don't actually find him especially scummy right now, and I want to see what he says. And I am aware there are other paths my line of reasoning could take, but it seems best to go down the worst possible case first.

This is the most reasonable approach to Day 1.

 

 

I don't actually find him especially scummy right now, and I want to see what he says. And I am aware there are other paths my line of reasoning could take, but it seems best to go down the worst possible case first.

 

In one of your first posts you mentioned that Tom's eagerness is the only thing that stood out to you, and now you call him out for trying to get a lynch going by using very thin reasoning and at the same time trying to set up an escape if his attempt would fail. I again disagree with your explanation regarding his actions so far, but it's certainly interesting that you are now trying to backpaddle away from your initial read on him by saying that you want to wait for him to talk more. You haven't stated your suspicion on anyone else and you even admit that it's best to go with the worst possible case first, but you still aren't willing to vote for him at this stage of the game.

 

##vote Elf

 

Way way too eager.

 

I'm not protecting you.

Yeah, you kind of were.

 

 

I'm not protecting you.

Got it, didn't see your vote until after I posted. Thought you were buddying me a little. No worries.

 

Let's see what he has to say.

 

That's the impression I got.

 

(I will bite)

pls

 

 

 

 

 

##vote elf

So someone said you start every game with "yo" which means you're aware of your own meta which means you're probably not a very adept player (no offense intended) since you have a gimmick to cover yourself. Why are you me-too-ing Cloud's vote without any prior commentary or justification? If anyone has the right to be second in line here, it's me. Pls explain

 

Probably because I'm not a very adept player.  Really, why are you asking questions you've already answered for yourself?

Uh... that's the cue for you to explain your vote. Go on. We won't bite!

 

 

Why is it necessary to regurgitate Cloud's reasons? 

 

Because if you say nothing at all you're not held accountable.

You can just make up any BS later. If you just repeat someone else's reasoning it can be analyzed and called bad or good.

It's about broadcasting your towniness to other players, which so far you've failed to do.

 

 

Why is it necessary to regurgitate Cloud's reasons?

Am I supposed to read your mind as to why you randomly voted without reasoning?

 

All: is this normal behavior from peacesells?

 

Yes. He tends to be very stubborn as town and has caused some of the worst instances of town on town arguing I've seen in recent memory.

 

If you guys had a gun to your head and had to choose would you say this is more town peace or scum peace

 

The snarkiness is a bit much

Right now I'd say town but it's too early to tell with him.

IMO he's usually a bit more cautious and open to discussion as scum whereas when he's town it's his way or the highway.

 

 

If you guys had a gun to your head and had to choose would you say this is more town peace or scum peace

 

The snarkiness is a bit much

Your false bravado is overly much.  It's a crutch for player with weak ego's. 

 

How's your hold'em game?  You play online?

 

1. I've seen bravado, false or otherwise serve some players very well.

 

2. Don't talk to me about online hold'em. My friend got WSOP on the Xbox like a week ago and everyone on there is retarded. They go all in every hand. Every. Hand.

 

 

Personal attacks after I put doubt on you isn't very Christmaslike :(

 

It's not very town like either

 

##Vote Peaceinthemiddleeast

 

I wouldn't be surprised if we've hit scum already

 

-Self conscious (evidenced by OP gimmick)

-Sheep voting with no discussion, expecting the wagon to take off

-Overly defensive and gets into personal attacks on Day 1 (lol)

 

Definitely the most suspicious play so far

 

Follow me to the promised land

 

I only agree with you about his touchy attitude in this game, but the rest is null. Do something useful and follow me on Elf instead.

 

You're starting to make me think you're not just applying pressure.

You seem to want to actually lynch Elf ASAP.

 

I dunno Cloud, Hoof is a perfect example of Day 1 lynches. 

Wow, really scummy nudge of that tired old joke.

Were you going to try to get me lynched tomorrow too?

 

 

I dunno Cloud, Hoof is a perfect example of Day 1 lynches. 

 

Way to go with giving Elf a way out >.>

 

Yeah, see, this is what I mean.

You seem to be less looking for reactions and more interested in building a train.

 

 

Oh and yeah, I don't think analysing first posts on day one is helpful except to give scum reads on easy lynchs

 

Actually, it's the most town thing you can do.  It put you out there to be read.  Tommy gives me strong town vibes just for that one action.  He may be the new guy coming in here insulting people before anyone knows him...and has no clues on how to behave in a social setting when you are the new guy but he is town so far.

 

It's interesting that you're talking about insults when in the past you've been one of the most outspoken people about gameplay being gameplay and nothing else.

[Tommyrod]

Few thoughts.

 

I forgot 2+2 was a poker forum since I only play mafia there and nothing else

 

I don't think elf is particularly scummy in her defense, it seems like something I would write, so that's good

 

Commenting on someone's play style is not a personal attack, it's precisely game related. Getting snippy about my ego qualifies as personal though

 

Darthe is an asshole

 

I have to figure out who is grinding against me due to actual dislike for my grandeur or due to being scum

 

Re: the busy question... I've noticed that mafia tend to enter the thread after having read everything and town just jumps in

 

Turin's self-conscious "not a defense" of Peace is AIDS. The way peace responded to me seemed non-bullshitty so I could swing toward this being Turin as mafia defending a townie for cred, while also indicting another townie AND leaving the floor open to later lynching Peace because of the wording suggesting Turin thinks Peace could still be mafia. Win-win mafia play.

 

##Vote Turin

 

*** Elect Tom for mayor ***

 

That is all

[Nolder]

Nope, needs to change. 

100% agree. That was a terrible style for votecounts.

 

Fixed already.

 

@Nolder - can't edit thread title from phone.

Please edit it ASAP.

 

 

 

##vote elf

So someone said you start every game with "yo" which means you're aware of your own meta which means you're probably not a very adept player (no offense intended) since you have a gimmick to cover yourself. Why are you me-too-ing Cloud's vote without any prior commentary or justification? If anyone has the right to be second in line here, it's me. Pls explain

 

Top tip: anytime you feel the need to immediately say no offense intended, you are probably saying something offensive. I would count that as a D1 personal attack

 

.Hence ===>   (baguette)

 

are you the pot or the kettle?

 

 

And before this turns into my "defense" of Peace, I don't like any of the name calling that I see in some games... So can we just get back to wanting to kill each other in a civilised manner?

 

I don't agree. And this may differ from community to community and even player to player or mod to mod but my view is that almost anything that's said in game thread should be treated as gameplay. That means if someone calls someone else a whiney loser fattymcfatfat that is just them trying to rile a person up to get clearer reactions because when people lose their calm they give away a lot of information unintentionally. I am not saying there aren't lines but I am sure my lines and your lines are probably pretty far apart.

 

@Turin/Nolder

 

 

#Personalattacks: if someone has a problem with any of the posts, they are to take up with me in PM

#absolutemajority: as in 50%+1 is calculated on the basis of all the people alive, not just those who place a vote

#gifts: they have no direct effect on the game (they will effect your mood and that might have an indirect effect)

So, in other words it's a simple majority...

 

 

## vote peace you still haven't explained why you voted for me? I don't min you voting for me, so much as not giving a reason.

 

Btw, why nolder leelou?

 

then you need to re-read. 

 

Actually you need to be clearer.

Saying "do I really have to regurgitate Cloud's reasoning" is not actually saying that you agree with Cloud's reasoning.

Stop being difficult please.

[Nolder]

100% caught up now and don't like Cloud's play at all so far.

He seems less like someone who is posturing for information and more like someone actually trying to achieve a lynch.

Our Day just started, I don't think it would be wise to end it just yet. He is my top suspect for a scum at the moment.

[Leelou]

 

 

*yawn*

 

##vote Nol

Are you going to sit in my lap too? ;)

I think I need to sit in Krak's lap this game...

 

*sits in Krak's lap*

 

 

 

I dunno Cloud, Hoof is a perfect example of Day 1 lynches.

Wow, really scummy nudge of that tired old joke.

Were you going to try to get me lynched tomorrow too?

Not voting Hoof, now am I? Not unless you do something uber scummy by Wednesday.

[Nolder]

Well considering you're already voting me I don't see why I should give you the benefit of the doubt here tbh.

It looks like you're...hmmm what would this be called. Small game hunting? 

[peacesells]

I take what is said in game as game play.  Doesn't mean I can't do the same Nolder.  You are way too immature to stand on any high horse. 

 

 

Strong scum vibe from Nolder for his trying to tell people how to play stance.  Major scum tell. 

[Leelou]

Well considering you're already voting me I don't see why I should give you the benefit of the doubt here tbh.

It looks like you're...hmmm what would this be called. Small game hunting?

Blah, blah, blah. If I wanted you lynched I'd be pushing on you.

[elffern]

 

## vote peace you still haven't explained why you voted for me? I don't min you voting for me, so much as not giving a reason.

 

Btw, why nolder leelou?

then you need to re-read.

 

Ok then

 

 

 

 

##vote elf

So someone said you start every game with "yo" which means you're aware of your own meta which means you're probably not a very adept player (no offense intended) since you have a gimmick to cover yourself. Why are you me-too-ing Cloud's vote without any prior commentary or justification? If anyone has the right to be second in line here, it's me. Pls explain

 

 

Probably because I'm not a very adept player.  Really, why are you asking questions you've already answered for yourself?

 

Uh... that's the cue for you to explain your vote. Go on. We won't bite!

 

 

Why is it necessary to regurgitate Cloud's reasons?

 

 

This is the closest you came to actually saying why. Do you agree with everything cloud said? Or just something's? And why do you believe them?

 

I take what is said in game as game play.  Doesn't mean I can't do the same Nolder.  You are way too immature to stand on any high horse. 

 

 

Strong scum vibe from Nolder for his trying to tell people how to play stance.  Major scum tell.

 

Er you're not meant to stand on horses anyway even the high ones, usually you sit down. Unless you're in the circus or something. Just saying. And also he's seemed pretty calm and reasoned so far, however you seem a little flustered

[Nolder]

I take what is said in game as game play.  Doesn't mean I can't do the same Nolder.  You are way too immature to stand on any high horse. 

 

 

Strong scum vibe from Nolder for his trying to tell people how to play stance.  Major scum tell. 

My horse can beat up your horse.

 

 

Well considering you're already voting me I don't see why I should give you the benefit of the doubt here tbh.

It looks like you're...hmmm what would this be called. Small game hunting?

Blah, blah, blah. If I wanted you lynched I'd be pushing on you.

 

Uh, you kind of are. Hence the vote.

It's not like you're going to make it obvious but placing a vote on me, someone who tends to attract trains early and often, as soon as you enter the game without reason is basically going for the early lynch as far as I'm concerned. Trying to strike up the Hoof joke was the same thing. You're casting a wide net. What I can't tell yet is if you're doing this because you're trying to find a good place to bury your vote or if you're trying to see who would follow you.

[Turin Turambar]

First of all re personal attacks. I personally do not like or tend to employ them. I do treat everything on thread as gameplay. My main point was that Tommy was being hypocritical as I believe saying someone is a poor player (i.e. you suck at mafia ) is a personal attack. to then get hurt about Peace calling him out on ego was a bit much to me. Like a nerve was struck or he was worried his ploy was failing(worse in game IMO). That he now is after me after I called him on it and am refuting his(or anyone's with the exception of BFG who is confirmed) right to lead the town at this time is anti-town in itself. 

 

As to what Nolder and Csarmi have said. Fair enough. *hands over 5 more imaginary points to BG*

 

Few thoughts.

I forgot 2+2 was a poker forum since I only play mafia there and nothing else

I don't think elf is particularly scummy in her defense, it seems like something I would write, so that's good

Commenting on someone's play style is not a personal attack, it's precisely game related. Getting snippy about my ego qualifies as personal though

Darthe is an asshole

I have to figure out who is grinding against me due to actual dislike for my grandeur or due to being scum

Re: the busy question... I've noticed that mafia tend to enter the thread after having read everything and town just jumps in

Turin's self-conscious "not a defense" of Peace is AIDS. The way peace responded to me seemed non-bullshitty so I could swing toward this being Turin as mafia defending a townie for cred, while also indicting another townie AND leaving the floor open to later lynching Peace because of the wording suggesting Turin thinks Peace could still be mafia. Win-win mafia play.

##Vote Turin

*** Elect Tom for mayor ***

That is all

I doubt that anyone on here would forget that this is a fantasy novel website. Even those that just have come in to play mafia usually at least poke fun about being amongst the "geeks"

 

Something that you wrote. Maybe you did... 

 

direct inrerence, but I see it as an unneeded attack and also gameplay.

 

Darthe is a lovable demented crazy man. Cloud may indeed be mafia tho.

 

Both??? The big facade is great for mafia to hide behind.

 

Why wouldn't town read the thread? That would just be lazy play. Townies should read the thread to look for slips/pings/oddities. But thank you for your clarification.

 

AIDS??? I am assuming this is a term for really bad on a site you play? but well done on taking it there. Of course I think that Peace could be mafia. I only know BFG's alignment aside from my own. 

 

well, if you want to be elected then you must be asking people to vote for you... I aim to please.                                      

 

 

        ##Tommy

 

 

 

I think that Tommy's entire act is just that. trying to lead the town down the primrose path. I have seen skilled players do it when Mafia and If you can get the sheep to follow it works very well. 

[peacesells]

 

Peace starts every game with yo regardless of alignment

Dunno if you've ever been confirmed innocent before but FYI it's better to not defend people without at least seeing their reactions first.

Especially this early in the game. People will be looking to you for straight answers to help them sort out their own thoughts and you don't want to accidentally defend scum when their reaction could have proved useful if they'd been on the spot without any support.

 

Normally, you are right. But in this instance you are wrong. This is common knowledge to everyone but Tommy. And people refer to it in many games. Plus, BFG isn't a new player who needs you to instruct on how to play.

 

 

I don't actually find him especially scummy right now, and I want to see what he says. And I am aware there are other paths my line of reasoning could take, but it seems best to go down the worst possible case first.

This is the most reasonable approach to Day 1.

 

Why?

 

 

 

 

 

I don't actually find him especially scummy right now, and I want to see what he says. And I am aware there are other paths my line of reasoning could take, but it seems best to go down the worst possible case first.

 

In one of your first posts you mentioned that Tom's eagerness is the only thing that stood out to you, and now you call him out for trying to get a lynch going by using very thin reasoning and at the same time trying to set up an escape if his attempt would fail. I again disagree with your explanation regarding his actions so far, but it's certainly interesting that you are now trying to backpaddle away from your initial read on him by saying that you want to wait for him to talk more. You haven't stated your suspicion on anyone else and you even admit that it's best to go with the worst possible case first, but you still aren't willing to vote for him at this stage of the game.

 

##vote Elf

 

Way way too eager.

 

Explain why it is too eager?

 

 

 

I'm not protecting you.

Yeah, you kind of were.

 

Or, he was pointing out an issue and the defense was secondary. This is actually good stuff because it can be crossed referenced later in the game. Even if he were defending..why discourage the behavior?

 

 

 

I'm not protecting you.

Got it, didn't see your vote until after I posted. Thought you were buddying me a little. No worries.

 

Let's see what he has to say.

 

That's the impression I got.

 

Or how you wish to spin it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

##vote elf

So someone said you start every game with "yo" which means you're aware of your own meta which means you're probably not a very adept player (no offense intended) since you have a gimmick to cover yourself. Why are you me-too-ing Cloud's vote without any prior commentary or justification? If anyone has the right to be second in line here, it's me. Pls explain

 

 

Probably because I'm not a very adept player.  Really, why are you asking questions you've already answered for yourself?

 

Uh... that's the cue for you to explain your vote. Go on. We won't bite!

 

 

Why is it necessary to regurgitate Cloud's reasons?

 

Because if you say nothing at all you're not held accountable.

You can just make up any BS later. If you just repeat someone else's reasoning it can be analyzed and called bad or good.

It's about broadcasting your towniness to other players, which so far you've failed to do.

 

It's not "all about broadcasting towniness" although that is a good way to start. It's also all about causing people to react in ways that give clues to their alignment. Again, you are playing the "I'm gonna teach the town how to play card and look townee myself for doing it.

 

 

 

Why is it necessary to regurgitate Cloud's reasons?

Am I supposed to read your mind as to why you randomly voted without reasoning?

 

All: is this normal behavior from peacesells?

 

Yes. He tends to be very stubborn as town and has caused some of the worst instances of town on town arguing I've seen in recent memory.

 

Recent memory? We've played 1 game together in the past 8 month.

 

 

 

If you guys had a gun to your head and had to choose would you say this is more town peace or scum peace

 

The snarkiness is a bit much

Your false bravado is overly much.  It's a crutch for player with weak ego's. 

 

How's your hold'em game?  You play online?

 

1. I've seen bravado, false or otherwise serve some players very well.

 

Meh..it's a fluff post crutch and although "some" players who use the tactic are good they are far and few between. Mostly, someone comes in with an engaging personality does it, and others follow suit cause they think it is fun. To me it's fluff. Can be funny in moderation...but lately it's like tattoos. No longer cool cause everyone does it...including your grandparents.

 

 

 

 

Oh and yeah, I don't think analysing first posts on day one is helpful except to give scum reads on easy lynchs

 

Actually, it's the most town thing you can do.  It put you out there to be read.  Tommy gives me strong town vibes just for that one action.  He may be the new guy coming in here insulting people before anyone knows him...and has no clues on how to behave in a social setting when you are the new guy but he is town so far.

 

It's interesting that you're talking about insults when in the past you've been one of the most outspoken people about gameplay being gameplay and nothing else.

 

So how does my view on gameplay mean I can't address insults? Why are you bringing up things that don't matter? What purpose does this serve in the game?

 

Nolder, you are just painting a picture right now that has nothing to do with game play here.

 

Here is what I see you angle as so far:

 

Instructing on townee play to look town yourself.

Instigating and issue with me while introducing that I tend to have a lot of town on town violence so that when I flip town you look town.

Making comments about how Cloud looks like scum while not giving the reasons. (Didn't you accuse me of this.) The only difference is I didn't try and make it look like I was giving reasons when I wasn't. Saying "this is scummy" is not an explanation.

[Tommyrod]

First of all re personal attacks. I personally do not like or tend to employ them. I do treat everything on thread as gameplay. My main point was that Tommy was being hypocritical as I believe saying someone is a poor player (i.e. you suck at mafia ) is a personal attack. to then get hurt about Peace calling him out on ego was a bit much to me. Like a nerve was struck or he was worried his ploy was failing(worse in game IMO). That he now is after me after I called him on it and am refuting his(or anyone's with the exception of BFG who is confirmed) right to lead the town at this time is anti-town in itself. 

 

As to what Nolder and Csarmi have said. Fair enough. *hands over 5 more imaginary points to BG*

 

 

Few thoughts.

I forgot 2+2 was a poker forum since I only play mafia there and nothing else

I don't think elf is particularly scummy in her defense, it seems like something I would write, so that's good

Commenting on someone's play style is not a personal attack, it's precisely game related. Getting snippy about my ego qualifies as personal though

Darthe is an asshole

I have to figure out who is grinding against me due to actual dislike for my grandeur or due to being scum

Re: the busy question... I've noticed that mafia tend to enter the thread after having read everything and town just jumps in

Turin's self-conscious "not a defense" of Peace is AIDS. The way peace responded to me seemed non-bullshitty so I could swing toward this being Turin as mafia defending a townie for cred, while also indicting another townie AND leaving the floor open to later lynching Peace because of the wording suggesting Turin thinks Peace could still be mafia. Win-win mafia play.

##Vote Turin

*** Elect Tom for mayor ***

That is all

 

I doubt that anyone on here would forget that this is a fantasy novel website. Even those that just have come in to play mafia usually at least poke fun about being amongst the "geeks"

 

Something that you wrote. Maybe you did... 

 

direct inrerence, but I see it as an unneeded attack and also gameplay.

 

Darthe is a lovable demented crazy man. Cloud may indeed be mafia tho.

 

Both??? The big facade is great for mafia to hide behind.

 

Why wouldn't town read the thread? That would just be lazy play. Townies should read the thread to look for slips/pings/oddities. But thank you for your clarification.

 

AIDS??? I am assuming this is a term for really bad on a site you play? but well done on taking it there. Of course I think that Peace could be mafia. I only know BFG's alignment aside from my own. 

 

well, if you want to be elected then you must be asking people to vote for you... I aim to please.                                      

 

 

        ##Tommy

 

 

 

I think that Tommy's entire act is just that. trying to lead the town down the primrose path. I have seen skilled players do it when Mafia and If you can get the sheep to follow it works very well.

You called me skilled! <3

 

I disagree with almost everything else though. Maybe we come from very different mafia universes... but if I disagree with you, it probably means you're B.S.ing. That comment about town reading the thread especially. They don't, because they don't care as much about keeping up appearances. It's also bad that you're assuming I am sane enough to remember 2+2 is a poker site and use that as a point against me. That's kids stuff.

 

Apart from Turin, I like the case on Nolder so far, keep going. Only thing I disagree with is that "teaching people how to play" isn't necessarily a scum tell as it's also what I do sometimes... and am kinda doing now

[Turin Turambar]

Stick to teaching the rest of your team on your QT for now please. 

 

 

And BTW, I think I said I've seen skilled players do it to great effect, not that you were doing that now. I further disagree that there is any one way to play mafia. So trying to imprint your playstyle on others is not in the best interests of the game itself. It may be in your own best interest as it makes it easier to play with others that play a similar style. You and nolder going  all "sole arbiter of play" here is pinging quite loudly to me. 

 

If you are not sane enough to realise where you are at any particular time then maybe you are not the best choice to follow. And it was more along the lines that you used Peace's comment about poker as a means to attempt to distract you when again you were the first to mention it. So maybe you shouldn't introduce things that you don't wish to talk about? 

 

From the mouths of babes appear some of the most universal truths...

 

Carry on. I shall be out for a bit

[Tommyrod]

Stick to teaching the rest of your team on your QT for now please. 

 

 

And BTW, I think I said I've seen skilled players do it to great effect, not that you were doing that now. I further disagree that there is any one way to play mafia. So trying to imprint your playstyle on others is not in the best interests of the game itself. It may be in your own best interest as it makes it easier to play with others that play a similar style. You and nolder going  all "sole arbiter of play" here is pinging quite loudly to me. 

 

If you are not sane enough to realise where you are at any particular time then maybe you are not the best choice to follow. And it was more along the lines that you used Peace's comment about poker as a means to attempt to distract you when again you were the first to mention it. So maybe you shouldn't introduce things that you don't wish to talk about? 

 

From the mouths of babes appear some of the most universal truths...

 

Carry on. I shall be out for a bit

I don't particularly feel like simmering down just because you tell me to :P

 

If you wanna see how I play then read my only other game on here

 

There is a method to my madness and I get there in the end, even if I lay waste to the game to do so. Soz if you don't like it.

 

I don't know what to make of your attitude ATM; it's hard for me to tell with the Stubborns

 

Maybe you actually do believe what you're espousing here. Your perspective seems odd

 

If you're town you can prove it to me by going after actual scum

[peacesells]

 

 

If you're town you can prove it to me by going after actual scum

 

 

Now that is an interesting statement. 

[Tommyrod]

Thank you

[peacesells]

you do understand the conundrum there if Turin is town, right?

[Tommyrod]

you do understand the conundrum there if Turin is town, right?

Explain

[csarmi]

I'm doing a VC now then go sleep. Still no comp access.

[peacesells]

 

 

 

If you're town you can prove it to me by going after actual scum

 

 

Now that is an interesting statement. 

 

 

 

 

you do understand the conundrum there if Turin is town, right?

Explain

 

 

You are implying that if he doesn't find scum then he is scum.  If he is town, he is uninformed.  Conundrum.  Catch22.  Heading down a 1 way dead end street.

[Tommyrod]

We're voting for each other but what he's said makes sense if I turn my brain 25 degrees. So maybe he thinks he's right and I think I'm right and this is some hot town on town action. I'll let him prove his alignment to me through scumhunting but as it stands it looks like he's tunneling on me for some reason... which I do not qualify as scumhunting. QED.

 

If I'm wrong on both of ya then it's no big deal -- I'll adjust after a re-read. Every interaction is a useful interaction as far as solving the game goes. Even if I am way off, the way people respond to it will be telling later in the game

[peacesells]

We're voting for each other but what he's said makes sense if I turn my brain 25 degrees. So maybe he thinks he's right and I think I'm right and this is some hot town on town action. I'll let him prove his alignment to me through scumhunting but as it stands it looks like he's tunneling on me for some reason... which I do not qualify as scumhunting. QED.

 

If I'm wrong on both of ya then it's no big deal -- I'll adjust after a re-read. Every interaction is a useful interaction as far as solving the game goes. Even if I am way off, the way people respond to it will be telling later in the game

 

I don't disagree with anything you say here.  And I think his vote on you has a lot of OMGUS influencing it.  But your comments in this quote do not explain that statement you made.

 

You've basically pigeon holed him into only finding scum or else he is scum.  If he is town, then he is uninformed and may lead a town lynch.  Way did you make a statement that only gives one option?

 

If you meant you want to see him scumhunting, then why didn't you just say that?