[Advanced] Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy Mafia (Day 6 - Town Wins)

[Andrej]

TL;DR.

 

I've got Darthe as scum because I find myself agreeing with a lot of his reads, which most have turned out to be accurate.

 

He has been consistent with his arguments and actions regarding his claim and usage of his role power.

 

Lastly, several of the people that I am reading as scum currently have either attacked or tried to discredit him.

 

@ - Des you made a good case linking us D1, but I don't think that's actually the case here.

 

The biggest detract that I can think of against Darthe is that he'd be scum because his reads are so accurate; IE: knows alignments. However, seeing his interactions with others and knowing that it is typical of Darthe to make such reads I don't think believe it.

[Andrej]

Darthe as Town*

 

Wtf brain.

[hazelkrs1]

Alright, that's enough to appease me now Re: both Darthe and yourself. The reads thing I don't like, because most of his reads were town throughout the game, and the only two people I've seen him pressure the way Darthe is known for pressuring is Lenlo and Rag, and Rag is town. However, I find myself somewhat inclined to acquiesce when it comes to the point about those going after him. Cloud questioned him, but that could have been staged, Leelou however parroting what me and Tina said about Darthe when she voted him... that's making me feel slightly better bout Darthe, even worse about Leelou.

[hazelkrs1]

Iso on Peace:

 

 

 

Didn't pull his spammy or offtopic posts, there weren't too many of those anyways

 

 

So on the off chance I flip VT, do we get to take that point away?

 

Say what?  Did you just pull a Rand?

 

 

Nudges the Lenlo thing, doesn't vote...

 

#VOTE AJ

 

Votes AJ without giving reasons

 

Csarmi = Scum

 

Says Salami is scum, no reasons, doesn't vote him

 

##UNVOTE

 

Unvotes, I went back a couple of pages to see why, couldn't figure out what prompted this (his vote was on AJ)

 

 

Sure. The point remains though, she's had opportunity to play the game and hasn't really. Take you for instance. You don't post very regularly, but when you do, you're giving opinions and actively joining in what's currently going on.

 

 

I say "Yo" and only "Yo" in every game as my first post.  Does that make me scum every game?  Why are you being so stubborn on this issue?

 

Nudges the AJ train, even tho he recently unvoted from it...

 

Verbal still exagerating the joke stage.  There was a ton of real stuff going on in between those fun posts.

 

##vote AJ

 

Votes AJ again

 

##UNVOTE VOTE VERBAL

 

Switches to Verbal without reasoning, I believe the deadline was coming up fairly soon

 

LOL..Despo arrogantly points out others arrogance offense.  It's his signature move.

 

Despo..I don't get how in the heck you can decide that Darthe is pushing his meta on purpose.  He has been so out there the past year how can you tell a difference.  If you are going to continue to push that angle...I want to see the evidence.  Point out exactly what he has said and why it makes you believe the way you do.

 

Here's where he challenges my opinion that Darthe is forcing his meta. Asks for specific examples, however when I gave them he never responded again. Could have been buddying Darthe, could have been defending a teammate. Either way looks bad.

 

Very early aggressiveness is not an attribute that I find scum having very often.  If that is the basis of the argument on Cloud..that's pretty weak.

 

Soft-defends Cloud

 

I can vote Salami. 

 

Says he could vote Salami... funny how Leelou was saying the same thing (she was voting Salami D1, but iirc it was kind of an OMGUS vote, or at least made to look like that)

 

In this game Cloud has done what he always does.  It's null for him.

 

Soft defends Cloud again, sort of close to hard defending him.

 

Have I ##Voted Verbal yet?  If not,  ##Vote Verbal.

 

His vote on Verb D2

 

 

Peace, can you give us some thoughts about the players? 

 

 

Totally agree with Des´s post.

 

Yeah..Verbal and Salami are scum. 

 

 

Links Verb and Salami unnecessarily (I don't think I discussed Salami at all in my casing of Verb).

 

He could have linked these two together to try and make Salami look better after Verb's flip. Im fairly certain that's what his intent was, in fact.

 

If I had reads on others...I'd share them.

 

After Tina asks him for reads on other players, Peace respond with this. Again, the confrontational tone seems unnecessary.

 

Quick question before I got to bed. Rag, why did you choose cloud?

 

 

Considering the Vig is dead...and Rag only reason for shooting cloud was a "gut feeling" I'm inclined to believe Darthe.

 

##VOTE RAG

 

Sets up his vote on Rag by first asking for reasoning, Rag gave more than just his "gut feeling" as reasoning, tho he did mention that. Also Peace says THE Vig is dead, trying to further cement the idea that we'd never see more than one Vig flip, or that Vig is the only town role that can kill peeps.

 

 

 

So I was thinking Salami would be a good lynch today, as he seemed to be linked to Leelou (Leelou has said she would vote for him, but didn't besides the D1 "OMGUS" vote, and Salami was the first to use Verbal's lynch to "clear" Leelou as town) and Peace (said he would vote for him, never did, and also linked Salami to Verb in an apparent attempt to "clear" Salami as town afterwards), and he really hasn't contributed much to the scumhunt, but honestly after iso'ing Peace I think he should be our lynch today. Defended Cloud without making a big deal of it, and in general his voting record is lazy (doesn't give reasons for voting, or sets up his vote easily).

 

##Vote Peace

 

As of right now, I'm thinking the scum team is linked together like a nice set of dominoes. Peace, Salami, Leelou, then prob Lenlo unless he's already been modkilled.

[hazelkrs1]

And for every townie: Kindly remove your votes from Ragnarok and Tina please, and thank you. Otherwise I might sic Rag the Quack Doc on you.

[Leelou]

##unvote, vote salami

 

I'll respond later when I can get my computer to work.

[peacesells]

Well..looks like we have 2 for 1.

 

DESPO IS NOT THE COP BECAUSE I AM.

 

That means both Rag and Despo are scum.  Or Rag is town and Despo is trying to look town by clearing him.

 

This also means that the scum team have a way of taking care of me at night since there is no way they just claim cop like this out of no where.  They value getting rid of the real cop.

 

##UNVOTE

 

##VOTE DESPO.

[peacesells]

Also something to remember.  Despo always busses one of his team hard.  So keep that list of scum reads he has handy.  I guarantee one of them is scum. 

[Niniel]

Now you are giving me a headache. I trusted Des until your post and I was thinking about voting you as well. I don´t think you have played very townie this game. The only reason why I never brought it up was the possibility that you were cop. lol

 

Des saw that Rag claimed CPR doc. He might have thought that we don´t have a real doc. Then it would make sense to claim cop to get the real cop to claim. 

 

What to do?

 

 

I just took a look at Cloud´s posts. Short summary:

 

* Doubt that Darthe had a town read on AJ after one post.

* Defends Lenlo´s "scumslip".

* Back and forth with AJ

* Laughs at Leelou´s comment that he is always scum

* Wants to hear more from Csarmi

* Against Darthe again

* Voting Verbal

* Bad feeling about Mish

 

From his play I would suspect Lenlo, Leelou and Csarmi. He doesn´t mention some people, don´t think he mentioned Peace or Des much. 

 

I need to go back and take a look at Des and Peace.

[Niniel]

Des - who did you view N1 and N2?

Peace - the same question for you. 

[peacesells]

I viewed Darthe N1.  Innocent.

 

I viewed Cloud N2.  Here's the strange thing.  I got a guilty view on him..and shouldn't have considering he was a GF.  I asked Wombat if this read was a mistake and he said it wasn't.

 

There is only one explanation that I can think of for that..and that is I'm a Paranoid cop...but paranoid cops always get a scum viewing.  And I got an innocent viewing of Darthe N1.  So that doesn't make since.  

 

I don't know if there is a role out there that can help me get an accurate read on a godfather.

[Niniel]

You could be a random cop or an insane cop. 

[Darthe]

Sounds like you could be a hard cop Peace.

[michellem]

Wow. Ok. This was a bit much to digest right after waking up.

 

I'm more inclined to believe Peace here.

 

## Vote Des

[Darthe]

agreed.

 

##Des

[peacesells]

What is a "hard cop?"  Darthe?

[Darthe]

view through godfathers.  it has other titles but essentially the town cop version of a mafia strongman.

[peacesells]

what would be the point of a GF then?

[michellem]

Well the deputy (Verb) might not have become a hard cop.

[peacesells]

true..

[TheRagnarok]

Morning all.  And holy crap.  That got fun.

 

I got a weird type of role so it wouldn't surprise me that we have a cop with a weird role.  But the people who just jumped on Des with zero thought...cough cough Darthe cough...should be looked at.  I'm gonna look back through Csarmi.

[Andrej]

##unvote vote Peace

 

I guess if we're picking sides here, I'll let mine be known.

 

Peace is full of crap. I don't believe his guilty viewing of Cloud N2, it sounds like he's just adding detail to a fake role to make it more believable. Having a GF in a game when a Cop would view him as guilty anyway is a useless role. I'm not buying it.

 

FOS for Darthe and Mish for that bogus shiz.

[Leelou]

There are different variations of cops, have you actually seen them in play before?

[Andrej]

That's all just WIFOM. Re-read his posts and see how he is throwing up multiple outs for himself, he's lying.

 

Des had a genuine reason to come out and claim in order to end the distraction of Rag's role and let us refocus on who else we thought were scum.

 

Pretty apparent the top 3 were going to be you, CS, and Peace. Now Peace comes in with a CC with some sketchy details.

 

Nah... he's scum. Keep defending him though Leelou.

[peacesells]

##unvote vote Peace

 

I guess if we're picking sides here, I'll let mine be known.

 

Peace is full of crap. I don't believe his guilty viewing of Cloud N2, it sounds like he's just adding detail to a fake role to make it more believable. Having a GF in a game when a Cop would view him as guilty anyway is a useless role. I'm not buying it.

 

FOS for Darthe and Mish for that bogus shiz.

 

AJ...think it through.  I could have just said that I got an innocent view on him..or picked some random player I know is town.  Doesn't add up. 

 

Plus..why would I counter claim desp?  ok..so if I'm scum and my CC works and gets him lynch..who dies next?  Um me...not worth the trade off 1 for 1.