[Advanced] Vacation Mafia! Day 7

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

BG (1): RTE

RTE (1): BG

Not Voting (9): Mish, Yates, Csarmi, Key, Tina, Pral, Despo, Krak, Red

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is Tuesday Nov 5th 9:00pm MST http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131105T21&p0=197&msg=D5

[Krakalakachkn]

Christ, is RTE drunk?

[Krakalakachkn]

I think you, Mish, Krak, possibly Kay, and either pral or Tina. I think Mish was probably recruited. You most likely started with 4 with a potential recruit.

Ah, missed the last page.

 

 

BG, so you're saying you don't think there's cult, just mafia got a +1?

[bgrishinko]

I think there's some sort of recruitment in play. Whether it's a one time recruit or cultafia I'm unsure. I have no evidence of that though honestly.

[Krakalakachkn]

i doubt it's cult, not with the count that's left.

[bgrishinko]

That's why I was thinking cultafia. That's where cult and mafia are merged. Makes cult possible in smaller games.

[hazelkrs1]

DO NOT LYNCH BG, RTE IS DEF SCUM. Hold on.

[Niniel]

BG is lying about his claim, he is NOT town.

 

Now LISTEN UP. I don't want a rush lynch. I want discussion about other players. BG will be todays lynch, but I don't wanna waste this valuable time. Also, let's ignore every single thing that BG chooses to post from now on. Everyone please say "Aye aye Mish" to show that the message have been recieved.

 

 

I'm feeling pretty damn bad today, so I won't be on much before I go to bed. But first thing tomorrow morning I'm gonna read through D3 and D4.

 

I´m also going to read through some but can´t until later on. From what I see from the last pages it looks like BG and RTE is on a team. They are trying really hard to get RTE lynched so I guess that BG has a better role. Will soon quote some of today´s posts.

[Niniel]

I didn´t quote all posts but enough to show what I think. I think that BG is mafia and that RTE is his budy. They are making some kind of show to make us lynch RTE instead of BG.

 

False.

 

I want Yates on here. When he asked if we knew whether Mish was TOWN cop it got me thinking... I think we are dealing with cultafia and I think Yates is unrecruitable, that's why he asked it. Mish has been compromised. 

 

When you lynch me at the end of the day and see my flip... you will know everything I have just said is true.

 

There is no proof or any hints of this in the game. Non of the scenes has hinted at this. (To be sure I will re-read them later.)

 

BG who did you protect N0?

Oh wait. You forgot to mention that one didn't you?

Because you're not the even night Doc. I am.

FFS.

 

Here RTE starts his ridiculous "drunk mafia". Having a N0 doc is not logic. 

 

BG, give it up. You guys failed your night kill last night and I think random got one of your buddies. It's done.

Krak and Talya your other friends?

 

Talya is not playing in this game. 

 

 

 

What a shame Krak. Accidentally vote one of your scum mates?

I think it's possible that Mish was recruited and RTE was one of the other scum mates that she is protecting by a view. I feel like Despo and Red are likely town though still.

Spread that WIFOM. Keep going. Or are you just going to stay quiet till you get lynched now?

 

 

As you see in the post above, BG isn´t even commenting on the fact that Talya isn´t in the game. Instead he goes on about a recruit and starts to turn against RTE (preporation for voting him later). BG´s role is to sound calm and reasonable so that we will follow him. 

 

RTE´s answer is so funny. He is urging BG to keep talking. 

 

 

BG who did you protect N0?
Oh wait. You forgot to mention that one didn't you?
Because you're not the even night Doc. I am.
FFS.

LOL.

N0 is never a killing night. Wouldn't be fair to a player who is killed before the game even starts. You just exposed yourself.

 

 

That is right. They need to make RTE look much worse than BG at this point. 

 

This is my non sober mafia. And my I've had enough of terrible town play mafia.

Just lynch BG. Then we lose Mish tonight since Dice died. Then we kill Krak or Talya. Probably Krak. OOPS I ACCIDENTALLY LET IT GO RANDOM AND ONLY VOTED BG BY MISTAKE OOPS IF I SAW MISH'S POST I WOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT OOPS

 

Here he tells us that this is his "drunk mafia" and starts to yell at us to get us all against him.

 

BG STAHP. JUST STAHP.

What are your views then BG? Who's scum?

Let's hear it big boy. Where's that list? Or are you still playing reserved because you're the doc?

 

Here he asks BG who he have viewed. He is supposed to be a doc, not a cop. But BG never comment on that.

 

 

Also technically 0 isn't odd or even. You face it RTE, in your gloating you gave yourself away. GF was probably town and now it's lylo. One more Lynch will seal the deal for you I bet.

Enlighten me. I'm gloating about what exactly?

That I got the right read on you two game days ago and everyone has too much respect for people in mafia to do what needs to be done and listen to less reputable players?

That the damn Lynch went random yesterday and your sick hide survived? That the person who died, if scum, is the one who could most easily pass for noob town?

Town don't deserve this win. But going down trying. I'll be here for two more days anyways. But you won't. You die today.

 

 

He is overdoing, don´t you think? 

 

I think you, Mish, Krak, possibly Kay, and either pral or Tina. I think Mish was probably recruited. You most likely started with 4 with a potential recruit.

 

And now he is back to talk about the recruiting. 

 

Yates comments, plus reconciling Mish's false read on me.

Of course it's possible mafia have a redirect role of some sort, that's probably more probable... But my intuition says recruitment for some reason.

 

BG´s intuition says recruitment is more probable than a redirect role. Hm...

 

unvote Vote RTE

I probably over reacted to Mish's finding. While my gut tells me she's been compromised, I'd be foolish not to consider mafia redirect roles.

Better to go for the sure thing since RTE outed himself.

 

And here we go. He is going to "clear" himself by lynching his scum buddy now. 

 

I think there's some sort of recruitment in play. Whether it's a one time recruit or cultafia I'm unsure. I have no evidence of that though honestly.

 

Honestly... mafias favourite word. And of course you have no evidence. 

 

 

Take a look at last day. Sure, RTE said that he didn´t trust BG, but he never cc´d BG´s claim. Why wouldn´t he do that to catch us scum yesterday? 

 

 

 

I think that RTE and BG are on the mafia team and doing this show to get us to vote RTE since BG has a better role. 

[Niniel]

Kaylee enjoyed herself at the beach. She stayed the night in the hotel instead of her room of the ship. She enjoyed a wonderful massage, swam in the pool and just relaxed. Kaylee planned to relax and forget about the ship and all the horrors. Her plan was successful....

 

The morning came too early for Kaylee. She opened her eyes and begrudgingly got ready. What awaits on board? She shuddered and pushed the thought to the back of her mind. She took as long as she could before heading back to see what there was to find. Kaylee looked around the ship. It seemed quiet as if most were still asleep. Could it be nothing happened? Something didn't feel right but there were no bodies...at least not dead ones....

 

 

 

It is now D3.

 

Actually, this could be a hint of recruiting. I must say that this makes me even more sure of BG being scum. Why would he know about a recruitment otherwise? 

[hazelkrs1]

Lordy lordy lord. I actually was going to wait to hear from Yates, to see if he would support BG's theory, but once I kept reading RTE's posts...it's just, it's just the scummiest little 2 page outburst I have ever seen in mafia. Ever. I actually kind of feel bad for RTE, his teammates are gonna be pissed he screwed up their play so bad.

 

Where to start?

 

Mebbe with all the times recently he's been sure that Talya is scum?

 

 

Starting to make sense.

Scum team in order of certainty:

BG
GF
Talya
Key/Yates/Krak

I feel like Darthe or Ishy. Onward to victory.

 

 

BG, give it up. You guys failed your night kill last night and I think random got one of your buddies. It's done.

Krak and Talya your other friends?

 

 

Just lynch BG. Then we lose Mish tonight since Dice died. Then we kill Krak or Talya. Probably Krak. OOPS I ACCIDENTALLY LET IT GO RANDOM AND ONLY VOTED BG BY MISTAKE OOPS IF I SAW MISH'S POST I WOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT OOPS

 

Talya, as in the player not playing this game. Once, I could have forgiven, thinking he put the wrong name by accident. Three times? Nope, he had a fabricated list of reads and stuck to it, not realizing that he had originally flubbed.

 

Or mebbe all the times recently he's insulted the town lately?

 

 

And my I've had enough of terrible town play mafia.

 

 

Town deserves to lose this game. Bloody hell.

 

 

Town is playing terribly but not that terribly. Assuming they can get their lazy arses in here...

 

 

Town don't deserve this win.

 

 

How about all the times he's tried leading town and saying EXACTLY who we should lynch today?

 

Unfortunately my friend the main reason is that it is true. Once BG is lynched you are next. Sealed. Deal.

You might also be noob misguided town. I'll see what this looks like come morning. But you and BG are coordinating nicely. Sporadically active scum team not online at the same time trying to make the most of it when people are online at the same time.

 

 

 I'll be here for two more days anyways. But you won't. You die today.

 

 

 

You realize all the people she's vetted as town who know they are town will vote you right? Because they won't lynch their cop.

 

Town is playing terribly but not that terribly. Assuming they can get their lazy arses in here...

 

at the last one

 

Then there's THIS awful post:

 

Vote BG

We'll learn as much by watching his teammates bus him. About time people finally see he's scum. Christ.

 

How would we learn anything by watching people vote for a claimed guilty viewing by the cop btw? That's literally the EASIEST time for scum to hide a bus vote.

 

More importantly, "about time people finally see he's scum"? Uh, there was a claimed guilty viewing on him dude, why are you acting like everyone is suddenly now seeing what you're seeing?

 

How about all the times RTE tries to shut BG up (which I found very rude btw, and scum or not you really shouldn't be proud of the way you acted there RTE)?

 

 

 

I think it's possible that Mish was recruited and RTE was one of the other scum mates that she is protecting by a view. I feel like Despo and Red are likely town though still.

Spread that WIFOM. Keep going. Or are you just going to stay quiet till you get lynched now?

 

 

 

BG STAHP. JUST STAHP.

What are your views then BG? Who's scum?

Let's hear it big boy. Where's that list? Or are you still playing reserved because you're the doc?

 

First one sounds like wishful thinking to me.

 

---

 

Honestly tho, the real kicker here is RTE's CC. There is NO WAY he's telling the truth. Let me show why.

 

Oh, Ninjad. Seems Mish has told us her findings.

Also, before this gets too out of hand since Deadline is this evening, I HAVE been attempting to lay low. You see, I am the yin to Dice 's yang.

 

BG's original claim^

 

I don't buy BG's claim. Too much. Too easy. Vote stays.

 

 

You don't just basically show up at deadline and sew WIFOM and claim a role you know is in the game.

 

 

For instance, explain your town feeling on BG.

Csarmi had to wrench your arm to get you to express your views and now you believe someone with a modest train who claims a role we are almost certain is in the game at deadline. Convenient.

 

These were RTE's next few posts.

 

First, let me say with COMPLETE confidence that any townie there would have CC'ed BG immediately. Town had already lost 6 people, without a single scummie dying. We needed anything we could get at that point. RTE was completely aware of BG's claim, and although he clearly expressed disbelief, and acted like it was scummy to claim a role that would almost def be in the game, HE NEVER CC'S. Not until after Mish came forth with a guilty on BG. Aint no freaking way. Nuh uh.

 

Second, the stuff about it being a convenient claim... wth? Why would it be convenient to claim a role almost certainly in the game, if that means he'd almost assuredly be CC'ed if lying?

 

Third, the N0 stuff is just complete crap. Can't believe he tried pushing that forth as if that was seriously plausible.

 

BG who did you protect N0?

Oh wait. You forgot to mention that one didn't you?

Because you're not the even night Doc. I am.

FFS.

 

Roles were assigned N0. N0 I self protected. 0 can be considered an even number.

 

 

Cheeky to claim doc. But I protected correctly last night. Sorry chump.

 

And he doesn't even say who he protected N2 and N4! Only that he "protected correctly". Bullshanks. Roles were assigned N0, and immediately after they were assigned the game started. Aint no way the mafia team would have been able to submit a NK there, which makes a Doc protect completely superfluous.

 

I don't buy RTE's CC for ONE SECOND, I know with complete certainty that he is mafia, and furthermore I really don't appreciate his tone the past few pages. Been gloating and cocky and bullyish; his behavior fits to a "T" exactly how you'd expect an arrogant scummie who thinks he's one mislynch from securing victory for his team to act.

 

For shame, RTE.

[hazelkrs1]

VOTE RTE

[hazelkrs1]

Was ninja'd by Tina.

 

Tina, I don't buy that for a second. I think you saw what I saw, that RTE was making a complete butt of himself, and you came in for crisis control.

 

Why would mafia try a gambit at this stage? They wouldn't. Gambits are done early to help give an edge for later down the road. Mafia already had a huge edge this game. I think RTE WAS drunk, and was gloating way too hard, and made himself look terrible. Stop trying to turn this into a bonus for your team.

[hazelkrs1]

As for Mish, pretty sure she got recruited. BG's theory seems sound about their being a recruiting element in the game (going off of Yates' comments), and tbh I didn't really like Mish's "viewings" all that much. Why not clear the air about the other people that were in the spotlight early on? Or verify Hallia's alignment?

 

Just thought of something. Tina, BG mentions exactly why he thought there could be a recruitment element in the game. You then pull the EXACT scene where recruitment apparently occured. Of the two of you, it seems YOU had more knowledge of the recruitment than he did, knowing the night it happened. Only way you could have found it that fast is if you knew what night it came from.

 

RTE, Mish, and Tina are def scum. Not sure of who else atm, not sure how any of my older reads fit into this

[Niniel]

Oh, you are refusing to even consider my case? Why would RTE cc BG if BG was town and going down today due to Mish´s viewing? That is just rediculous. 

[hazelkrs1]

I think he just wanted to make sure. I think he was excited about winning and wanted to rush to victory so he could truly gloat.

 

Also forgot something else I wanted to say about Mish: If she didn't want a speedlynch today, she wouldn't have revealed BG as scum so quickly. Just seemed like an unnecessary line in her post.

[hazelkrs1]

And yes, I'm refusing to believe that the scum team would try to get one of their own killed when they're already so far ahead just to try and "protect" BG's role. Easiest thing for them to do would be to bus BG, and then kill Mish so they wouldn't have to worry bout getting outed any more.

[Niniel]

I often have a hard time to trust myself and my gut feeling. But I´m feeling very strong about this. After Des´s posts I believe he might be on their team too. Town Des listens to other players. 

 

Also, I have never ever seen RTE that rude and I don´t believe he would be on purpose no matter how drunk he was. It´s just a play. 

[hazelkrs1]

"Town Des listens to other players"

 

Town Des, which is what I am this game btw, listens to other players, just like Scum Des. But neither would blindly accept a theory that wasn't very feasible.

 

I think RTE was in super excited gloat mode, which is why he came off as rude as he did.

[csarmi]

Des, I really like your RTE case.

 

In fact, RTE looks totally scum to me. The timing of that doc cc is just horrible.

 

It makes no sense at all to do it now. It also makes no sense at all to not do it yesterday. What's weird about it is that it dont make any sense to do it now, not for scum, not for town doc. Not for anyone.

 

He keeps talking nonsense BTW. For instance, he says he would live two more days. An odd night's coming up.

 

The N0 thing makes no sense either.

 

That he wouldn't give his views (his saves on N2/N4 would effectively be views that is) makes no sense.

 

Mentioning Talya makes no sense.

 

Chastising town sounds plain scummy. Prolly the only thing out of pattern.

 

See the main pattern here is nonsense.

 

Another thing that I don't get is where this recruiting idea's coming from. BG sounds as if he is pulling it out of thin air. Just some useless WIFOM talk. I could leave it there, but then Despo, you say Mish been recruited. What gives?

 

Also, why assume some crazy theories in stead of some simple ones. Like Mish telling the truth. Or like redirection bring in play?

 

Another thing that's weird to me is Mish viewing BG in the first place. What for? If BG was lying, he would be likely to get cc'd at some point unless there IS no even night doc.

 

Which brings me to Tina. Tina, you say both are scum. But how could that be? There must have been a save on N2 and N4.

 

Another thing that gives me seriously weird vibes is the random lynch. We wasn't even close! I did see some seriously horrid deadlines but this just goes beyond imagination. Like half the game just didn't even seem to care? Acted like it wasn't even happening it looked like.

[Pralaya]

Fyi: I self protected N2 and protected Mish last night.... For all the good it's repayed me.

 

Well, if you protected Mish last night and if Mish is scum, then what happened to the night kill?

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Honestly I don't even care anymore. Go ahead and mislynch. Not sure I'm going to bother to read through all of Des's post.

 

BG well done. Not sure how you did it but kudos.

 

@Tina Do I need to explain why I didn't cc yesterday? Seriously? I couldn't. I needed mafia to guess who was the even night doc. I took a risk and self protected knowing mafia would think Mish got protected last night. Mafia targeted me because I came out hardest against BG's claim. They knew I was the even night doc. Too bad you guys don't.

 

In regards to Talya just got my games mixed. Take her out and my scum list stands.

 

Not sure if I'm going to post anymore in this game but we'll see. Have fun lynching your last doc. If we were both scum and I was viewed town and I'm GF, what would be the stronger role that BG has that they want to keep alive? Of all people they would bus their GF who was town viewed? Really?

 

Whatever. I think this is not really a good game for mafia rather a terrible game for town. I'll say it as much as I like. I made the right night protects and it's all for nothing. Well finally being doc was kinda fun

[csarmi]

While there - missed it in my last post - you know what else don't make sense? BG's play.

 

His even night doc claim was solid. Good timing. He didn't mention his protects/views either though. Could buy that. Unless he protected Krak or GF, there was no point to mention that yesterday.

 

Then Mish says guilty on him, and he switches to some crazy wifom mode or whatever (instead of assuming redirection, he's assuming cultaffia). Then he switches to logical mode and says how he believes that Red/Des would be correct views and RTE faked. A few more reasonable posts follow, then he switches vote to RTE, but he says it's probably LyLo which don't seem to make sense (Lylo would require 5/18 anti-town, that's just too much, especially if it includes a possible recruit like he says it might?

 

TL, DR: something is very fishy here. We should try to make sense of all this or jut continue normal scumhunting, or better, do both.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

[ReleaseTheEvil]

If town wants I am willing to ask for a replacement.