THE METAL - End: Dinner for Wolves

[Yates]

In fact I found it more strange that Kaylee went back and quoted a game she wasn't even in as evidence.

Oh snap! That *WASN'T* in this game!! How did you know about that, Kaylee? I was going to point it out anyway [because credit where credit is due and I wanted the internet cookies] but how did you know?

 

As you said:

...slips come in all sizes dear.

Are you serious? How did I know? I knew because I read things outside games I'm in. Shocking I know. You talk about me "setting up lynches" in twilight yet your making a case at night. How is that different? It's not.

I do too.  Sometimes.  But I don't read EVERYTHING nor, obviously, do I have an eidetic memory.  So question stands.

 

Also, it's a question.  Not a case or an accusation.  That's how it's different.  My "slips" quote was intended as a joke.  Your reaction is noted.

[Verbal32]

To the folks wanting Verbal to play the game - he will probably step up tomorrow. Right? 

 

To the folks harping about activity after 1 game day:  chillax.

[Yates]

To the folks harping about activity after 1 game day:  chillax.

I got eaten by a shark.  What's your excuse? 

[Lenlo]

 

We dont lynch him until we have a CC or the possible real seer turns up dead.

Stop it.

 

Stop it.

 

Stop it.

 

If it's a BS claim, you do NOT counter if you are the Seer.  Think about it for longer than 1 nanosecond.  If you are the real Seer, you can't be killed.  Period.  Killing the real Seer would expose guaranteed scum.  The only way the real Seer counters is when they get a guilty.  2 for 1 is a good acceptable trade.  1 for 1 is not so good.

 

If AJ is the real Seer?  The best outcome from tonight is he gets protected thus there's no kill and he has a guilty for us in the morning. 

 

Dude I said afew times that the Seer should not CC unless we get into a LyLo situation. What I was saying is that until we do get a CC we should assume he is telling the truth and not lynch him. Dont selectively quote me please.

 

I do agree that that was an incredibly stupid reveal but that doesnt change the fact that he claimed Seer.

[Yates]

Dude I said afew times that the Seer should not CC unless we get into a LyLo situation. What I was saying is that until we do get a CC we should assume he is telling the truth and not lynch him. Dont selectively quote me please.

Right.   I just wanted to quote the part about CCing for anyone that thought CCing might be a good idea.  You just happened to have a quote worthy post recently.  As long as we are all on the same page as to how that would be very very bad, I'm cool.  Sorry about the confusion.

[Lenlo]

 

Dude I said afew times that the Seer should not CC unless we get into a LyLo situation. What I was saying is that until we do get a CC we should assume he is telling the truth and not lynch him. Dont selectively quote me please.

Right.   I just wanted to quote the part about CCing for anyone that thought CCing might be a good idea.  You just happened to have a quote worthy post recently.  As long as we are all on the same page as to how that would be very very bad, I'm cool.  Sorry about the confusion.

 

Alright thats cool then. I just hate it when im quoted out of context.

[Kaylee]

I do too.  Sometimes.  But I don't read EVERYTHING nor, obviously, do I have an eidetic memory.  So question stands.

 

Also, it's a question.  Not a case or an accusation.  That's how it's different.  My "slips" quote was intended as a joke.  Your reaction is noted.

 

I don't read everything either, but some random threads and games I tend to read. What question? I explained how I knew about it, I had read it in the game it was posted in. I remembered it when I saw you post here about the ISO and commented. I'm not sure what you don't understand about that. It felt like an attack, even as a joke you could use that to say later as an accusation. I decided to comment on it when I saw it. Read from that what you will. To me it seems  like your trying very hard to to pull something from nothing. I never said I read everything, why so dramatic about it? You explained why you did it earlier, yet bring it up again and make it sound like it's nearly impossible for me to have found that by myself. Why feel the need to then state that it's just a question and not an accusation? Why ask the question again after I answered it? 

 

Those questions "still stand".

[Darthe]

The night is almost over.  The moon wanes and the villagers, inexplicably, remained indoors all night as if their houses could protect them from the wolves.

 

But one house was made of straw.  The wolves surrounded it, huffed, puffed, and blew it over.

 

BOOM

 

[Darthe]

Kersplat!

 

 

[Darthe]

BLEEEAAAAGGGHHHHH!!!!

 

 

[Darthe]

Misheru Sedai - Town Seer has been nightkilled.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EicJTFcy9gQ

 

 

It is now Day 2.  You have 72 hours.

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

[Kaylee]

Mish was after AJ...not sure if she was killed because she pushed for it or for WIFOM. I'm looking at something I think I found...

[Andrej]

Well damn.

 

vote Tina

[Kaylee]

I wanted to point something out here...This was the end of D1:

 

Well, you technically also have the Seer but claiming him is suicide. It's odd that Tina used that argument to defend herself against Mish.

 

Yeh, forgot that we don´t have a doc. Still think it was odd that Mish wanted me to lynch you yesterday.

 

Here she's still talking about Mish as a candidate...or at least trying to discredit her.

 

 

*points at AJ* Look, Mish. He is setting up tomorrow´s lynch. Vote him!

Prodding Mish again.

 

 

Tina, I am telling you now, as politely as I can. Your attitude is starting be troubling, to me you're starting to tip over into rude and condescending. I'm just ignore that last post you made there.

 

 

 

unvote vote Cloud

 

Why did you unvote from me in the first place? >.> You completly ignored my question.

 

 

Sorry, been distracted this weekend, I missed it. Tina pinged me way harder than you did, that's why.

 

Was just about to ask Lenlo the same thing.

 

What question is that, Mish?

 

Aboute every single question I've asked you? You give me evasive answers, or try to turn it back on me in every single post I adress you.

 

 

Well, you technically also have the Seer but claiming him is suicide. It's odd that Tina used that argument to defend herself against Mish.

 

Yeh, forgot that we don´t have a doc. Still think it was odd that Mish wanted me to lynch you yesterday.

 

 

Aj already said this, but; BS that you forgot we didn't have a Doc with such a specific open set-up.

 

Also, tje difference between AJ and you? AJ states clearly he wants to vote you tomorrow; we have no time to swithc lynch today. You, on the other hand, nudhed negative attention to me every chance you had, while not actively helping to secure a lynch today, nor putting a vote on me. You were laying the groundwork for a vote tomorrow, without having enough conviction about it to actually vote me today. I can't see why you would do that as town.

Mish asks her to address the issues/questions she has. I didn't quote it but she does ask what the question are.

(I'll quote them after I post this...)

 

 

 

Sorry little loves, a pretty metal goddess fell sick from ROCKING too hard and called me away to a day of her affections.  I don't intend for this to happen again.

 

FINAL VOTE COUNT: 
AJ (4/7): Laya, Tina, BFG, Hally
Cloud (7/7): Des, Verb, Yates, Kay, Len, Mish, AJ
Tina (1/7): Cloud

Not Metal (0/12): 

As it should be.

 

But is he town or is he scum?  Is he scum or is he town?  Is he wolfie or kosher?

 

Final vote count

 

 

Cloud, Vanilla Townie has been lynched.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The sun has set.  Let the bloodbath begin.

 

You have 24 hours to kill and view your respective targets.  Don't let it take 24 hours.

Flip of Cloud being town then...

 

Interesting... Both mafia and wolfs are happy with any lynches that doesn´t involve one of their own. Tomorrow lets take a new look at AJ, Verb, Yates and Des.

Suddenly no longer suspicious of Mish. Hmm perhaps that's because you had submitted the kill on her already? Perhaps not, but it doesn't explain why the sudden switch when up until the flip you had voiced nothing about Mish other than concern about her alignment. (Seeming to think she was anti-town).

 

Vote Tina

[Kaylee]

Ok here is the response of her's to Mish asking her to answer the questions she's ignored...

Sorry, Mish. Not trying to be rude. Just having fun. So what are your questions?

 

 

The game isn't that long; you can probably find them yourself...

Mish's response back...

 

 

^This was all Tina had to say after asking for the questions...then night started.

 

 

I´m not as interested in a Mish lynch any longer.

 

I will add more later tonight, after I have started my game and put my daughter to bed. I still have one more spot left - anyone want to play?

I can't wait to hear why you suddenly feel different about Mish, especially since you said nothing about it before night started. You wait until it's night, where conveniently she had been killed.

[Kaylee]

Well damn.

 

vote Tina

What's the reasoning behind this vote? Also, why the fake claim during the night phase?

[Andrej]

Should be fairly obvious. It didn't exactly work like I hoped though.

 

And as I stated before, I believe that Tina is scum. Specifically with her interactions towards me, and then our two dead conf-townies.

[Lenlo]

Alright now I see why Mish was so intent on pushing AJ. She knew it was a fake claim the entire time.

 

Mish next time your going to argue that, maybe wait till day?

 

Vote AJ

 

You claimed Seer, you lied, not a town move.

[Pralaya]

Should be fairly obvious. It didn't exactly work like I hoped though.

 

And as I stated before, I believe that Tina is scum. Specifically with her interactions towards me, and then our two dead conf-townies.

 

Nice try, AJ. There is no way there would have been anything positive with you lying that you are seer. 

 

vote AJ

[hazelkrs1]

What a bummer.

 

Vote Tina.

 

Fwiw, while I DEF think Tina is scum, I think it's somewhat wishful thinking to hope that her team sent in the kill on Mish. It would be nice, since if she flipped as werewolf and my theory about her and Yates being scumbuddies is true, then we could potentially take away the NK after just two nights. However, I think she would have known that Mish's death would prob make her look bad, especially after nudging Mish a good bit yesterday only to say she wasn't interested in a Mish lynch anymore at night. So I doubt that she's a werewolf, most likely mafia imo.

 

Alright now I see why Mish was so intent on pushing AJ. She knew it was a fake claim the entire time.

 

Mish next time your going to argue that, maybe wait till day?

 

Vote AJ

 

You claimed Seer, you lied, not a town move.

 

First of all, voting someone just for lying in mafia is a bit juvenile dude, since both townies as well as scum could have reason to lie. Just seems like one of those formulaic moves that I hate seeing. Either way, are you intentionally ignoring the obvious justification he could have had for fake claiming Seer? (to try and draw the NK) Once I saw him claim, and had seen him say recently that he played on MS, I figured that there was a good chance that's what he was trying to do (which is why I tried to play it up a bit to help him in that if that's what he was doing). From what I understand, that sort of thing is fairly common on MS, townies lying and fake claiming and stuff to try and wifom the scum team.

 

The one thing that I do have to mention however is well, the fact that it "didn't work". AJ survived, and the real Seer died, which means that the fake claim at night could have been done to try and fish for the Seer, see who didn't buy the claim at all, to help his team select their NK. However, there are two wrinkles with this plan: Knowing that this is DM and not MS, AJ couldn't count on everyone accepting his fake claim as a townie move, and would have known that the fake claim would have brought him negative attention the next day, and with only two werewolves, exposing yourself somewhat just to try and nab the Seer would make for a pretty bad plan. The other thing is that there wouldn't be any guarantee that the real Seer would have risen to the bait, in fact for all he could have known the Seer might not have even been paying attention during the night phase, making it pretty unlikely that he would have been able to fish out the Seer.

 

Therefore it seems much more likely to me that AJ was trying to draw the NK as town.

[hazelkrs1]

 

Should be fairly obvious. It didn't exactly work like I hoped though.

 

And as I stated before, I believe that Tina is scum. Specifically with her interactions towards me, and then our two dead conf-townies.

 

Nice try, AJ. There is no way there would have been anything positive with you lying that you are seer. 

 

vote AJ

 

 

Again? Are yall seriously not considering the protown possibilities of him false claiming Seer? I could see you not believing that he was trying to draw the NK, but to not even consider that possibility at all...

 

Lenlo and Pray potentially trying to derail train on Tina noted.

[Pralaya]

 

Again? Are yall seriously not considering the protown possibilities of him false claiming Seer? I could see you not believing that he was trying to draw the NK, but to not even consider that possibility at all...

 

Lenlo and Pray potentially trying to derail train on Tina noted.

 

 

Are you serious? What is the need to "draw a NK" when there was no threat to the seer at all?

 

Anyone can see that it would have been way more positive had he not lied. The wolves could have killed mafia. By lying, he just invited a town death no matter what.

On top of that, he ran a huge risk of outing the real seer which is what finally happened.

 

He is not town at all.

[hazelkrs1]

Other stuff:

 

(Gonna spoiler my response to Yates since it's a bit lengthy)

 

 

 

Imo there's a substantial different between saying two people who you could vote for, and "either can go in either order". One seems predicated on current reads, that may change the next day, whereas the other strongly implies that you would be happy to see both lynched, ergo setting up a lynch in a much more overt manner.

Psh. Are you seriously going with this semantics defense? Weak sauce.
 

I can vote either.

I could vote either AJ or Mish.

Oh wait. You're right. I said "can" and she said "could." WORLD of difference there, right? /sarcasm

Lame. And FoS.

 

LOL. Dude, I'll say this for you, you're one funny guy to catch as scum. I love the way you try wriggling out of my grasp by trying to drag certain quotes out of context and edit out anything which could make you look bad.

Just so you know, trying to piss me off won't work this time

Anyways, YEAH the part you quoted of yourself was NOT what I took issue with. Trying to whittle down the argument to an analysis of can/could. LAWLZ. I'm still chuckling about it

It was you saying "Either can go in either order". That didn't just mean you could (or can ) vote for either, it meant you would be happy with seeing BOTH swing, and likely would have liked to set up more lynches as well afterwards.

I supersized it so you understand what quote I was referring to, so you don't try your little quote editing trick again.
 

 

How could you know what he meant?

It would be pretty obvious if you played on MS. In retrospect, I realize that would only be obvious to MSers. Like vote tags and inline countdown timers [**glares at Verb**]. So since I have a bit more time to play now, let me clarify.

For example:

Darthe, next time can you please not make the signup thread be the game thread? Makes it a little tougher to see who's lurking when there are a number of people who aren't playing atm but who have still posted.

Des knows how to use the "ISO feature" on this board, right? He could find this info!  He is claiming ignorance when he knows better!!!  FoS??

Obviously I'm being tongue-in-cheek to respond to this:

If that's what you meant, that DM's "ISO" feature wasn't as easy to use as MS's "ISO" feature, that still shouldn't have stopped you from... doing an ISO on me.

[To the bolded] Really? Then why can't you tell who is lurking and who isn't? All you have to do is search each individual person using the "ISO" work around. Oh. Because it's a pain in the ballz versus clicking on a link that gives you quick and easy access to that info like this?

In this example, I can tell you in 2 seconds how long it's been since "StomachPains" last posted [6 days, 16 hours] or when RCB's V/LA is ending [tomorrow]. Also, if you click on the "posts" number, it auto-magically brings you to the isolated list of that person's posts. Obviously, isolation only gives you part of the story so being able to hit the back arrow and quickly click on someone else in ISO helps to give you context.

Scum are cool with misrepping points through ISO. Scum hunters find scum by finding these misreps and disproving them with context. Framing contextual arguments through searches takes significantly longer than clicking on ready links. That's all I was saying. TL/DR - I didn't have the time to follow up on that particular thought at that particular moment - that thought being that I wanted to know if Des was ignoring Tina, trying to make it LOOK LIKE he was ignoring Tina, or if he was simply using targeted misreps.

 

Lordy you take a long time to get to what your actual point was lol.

When I was asking Darthe not to make the signup thread the game thread, I wasn't saying there was anything preventing me from being able to see who was lurking, I was more talking about a manner of convenience. Not sure if you knew this, but there is a feature on DM that let's you see who all has posted in a given thread, and how many posts they have. You go to the board the thread is on, and to the right of the thread you'll see where it says the number of replies that thread has. If you click on that number (for this one it'll say 396 or however many replies), a little window pops up that has a table with everyone's name on it as well as their number of posts.

However, since this thread includes the people who signed up as backups as well as those who spammed the thread while it was in the signups stage, those numbers are a little skewed and it requires a lot more time to see who is truly lurking.

And yes, I can see how MS's ISO feature is so awesome and convenient and probably serves you a bowl of cereal if you ask nice. But it didn't seem like you were just bemoaning a lack of convenience, it seemed like you essentially saying you couldn't be bothered to do an actual ISO on me here, something that IS possible with the site's features, if not as convenient.

 

 

I think Yates is trying hard to link me with Tina cause he knows that Tina might start catching heat soon so wants to set up my lynch after she flips.

OR - and try to follow me on this - because you tied yourself to Tina by TWICE pointing out statements others said while ignoring the EXACT SAME STATEMENTS when made by Tina. Crazy, right? This isn't a chicken or the egg debate. It's documented history.

 

Documented history? I already responded to both examples that I believe you are mentioning, and explained my side on both. To recap:

On Tina's "townie" statements: At the time, Mish seemed to be making a show out of saying she was town, saying that she was doing townie things, etc. When Tina was using the word townie, it seemed more in response to the wording Mish had used (Mish first asked Tina if it was a townie thing to do something, Tina responded and asked if it was townie to do something else. So yeah, what I saw from Mish wasn't the same thing that Tina was saying

On your god awful point about you and Tina setting up lynches: She said she could vote either _____ and _____, which seemed relevant only to that current phase, while you were outright advocating lynching two different people, one after the other, ignoring thr fact that other evidence could potentially dissuade you from the second lynch if you were town.
 

 

FoS to Kaylee too for that bullshanks on Yates about the ISO feature. Des jumping on it for emphasize is just.... Ew.

I think Kaylee's point was a legit "I think I caught Yates in a lie" moment.  I've jumped at these before.  Probably will again.  As stated above, I can understand how people that haven't played at MS before wouldn't have been clear on the implied differences. My only beef was the timing. It looked like scum getting ready to set up the next day's mislynch during twilight. I suppose I can buy that it was a schedule thing. If it becomes a pattern, though, I'll revisit.
 
That said, I'm with you on Des. It's like the "blood in the water" scum tactic. He sees an out of context argument that could potentially create a train and jumps on it to his advantage. A vote would have made me positive. As it is, I'm still having a tough time reading Des. He's skirting that line for me. Suspicious, sure. Scum? Still sorting.

 

I don't think the argument was out of context at all. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'm just wondering why you would talk about wishing you could ISO me, then never actually ISO'ing me, and why you would nudge someone else's case on me, while also fence-sitting on your read on me.

Actually, I'm not wondering. I know why you're doing that stuff. Cause you're scum.

P.S.: Why would have a vote from me made you positive?

 

 
 

 

Wish we had a double-lynch tomorrow so we could lynch both Tina and AJ at once. Game would be half done with already.

AJ lynch would make a Des read easier for me.  Plus, AJ defending me against Kaylee gave me the heebee jeebies.
 
@AJ - Why would you claim Seer DURING THE NIGHT??!!
 
Worst timing for a PR claim ever?  If we don't wake up with a dead Dice and a believable investigation result, this game just got easy.

 

 

Again you fence-sitting on your read on me. El Oh El.

 

And why are you worried about AJ defending you about the ISO thing, when as you said yourself, he had a better idea of what you were saying because he plays on MS as well? Don't understand that at all.
 

 

Lenlo... Do you really believe the ONLY power role in this game would reveal Night 1? Oooor do you think it's an attempt to fish out the real Seer? That's what the wolves want more than anything right now I'd wager; flush out the Seer so that they don't have to worry about that.

Im saying we cant take that risk. Nowhere did I say the Seer should CC now, but if we scum hunt leaving AJ alone until we absolutely have to catch scum ((Sort of a LyLo situation but hopefully we never get to that.)) then the real Seer can CC, securing us a definite scum.
 
As it is if we Lynch AJ because he made a stupid reveal and it turns out hes telling the truth, then what? Then we would have shot ourselves in the foot, as im beginning to think your hoping for. This is nowhere near the worst reveal ive seen from a real PR btw. I still remember EPs Day 1, first post Doc reveal and guess what? He was telling the truth. But everyone had the same mindset as you and we lynched him, which screwed us.

 

 

FYI: Saying that a CC at LYLO would be a good thing for town is just really, really dumb. What if the CC was lying? Then guess what, you just lost the game because you blindly accepted a CC at LYLO. Lylo is when scum LERVE to spring out with CC's or whatever they can think of to try and seal the deal. If someone waited the entire game just to CC at LYLO, there is absolutely NO WAY I'm believing them.

 

Again, THIS is the type of formulaic play that you gotta snap out of Lenlo. Blindly accepting CC's, and not considering the timing of them, is just asking for a loss. Additionally, and you sort of touched on this, but with a role that has an activated ability, there's almost always a way that you can somehow test their claim at some point, so you don't need to use the lack of a CC as complete proof that they're telling the truth.
 

 

...are you comparing AJ to EP? That's a stretch. Ep is EP; he does crazy stunts. AJ has always striked me as a confident, smart player, even when he was completly new. This is not how I would expect him to deal with a PR; it was a claim completly out of the blue, at nighttime. I could understand a claim next Day, if he1d continued to get pressure. But now? No, it stinks, and tha's that.

Im comparing stupid plays to stupid plays. Say what you want EP wasnt always a crazy stunt puller, before he got bored he was a regular scum hunting mafia player like the rest of us. I know, because I remember them.
 
Either way you can keep pushing this, ill keep fighting you. Lynching him with no CC when we could be scum hunting instead is stupid. As far as we know he is the Seer and only scum want the Seer dead.

 

 

Incidentally, the mafia in this game could have given two craps about the Seer. The Seer can only see if someone's a werewolf or not, the mafia team wouldn't have cared if they were viewed or not. In fact, they prob would have liked it.

 

It can easily be said that the mafia would WANT the Seer to stay alive as long as possible, so that they could try and keep town focused on the werewolves instead of them. In faaaact, this could be why you were making such a show out of keeping the Seer alive last night. Hmmmmmm.....
 

 

 

I don't buy that "reveal" for a second. AJ, you are not stupid, and it would be BEYOND stupid to claim Seer on N1. The Seer is the only role town has; to claim at night, and the first night? No I don't buy it. You sir, are mafia.
 
I would urge the real Seer to not CC at this point. AJ's timing is proof enough against him.

No, not ok. We dont lynch him until we have a CC or the possible real seer turns up dead. If hes lying we have one in the bag, and im not risking our only PR on whether or not hes telling the truth. Hunt some scum, case other people but dont lynch AJ until we have a something definitive about whether or not hes the real Seer.

 

 
Frankly, I don't understand the claim at all.
 
If AJ is actually seer, then he would be killed. It is really stupid to claim so early in the game. With no protection, it is a sure death. I don't think wolves would take a risk and let him give a chance to read one of them during the night. There are only two wolves and every death is important. . If one of them dies, it would be very difficult to win.
 
If AJ is mafia, then again, it makes no sense. He would be killed and it would be a pointless sacrifice. I don't see the point of it at all. Nothing for mafia to gain.
 
If AJ is wolf, as Mish said, the only point of the sacrifice would be to fish out the actual seer. One counter claim and they would know who the seer it. But then it would be a very, very risky sacrifice because that leaves only one wolf and surviving till the end is extremely difficult. 
 
All the three cases comes out as unnecessary claim. So, I am totally lost why AJ claimed. Out of the three, the third option seems more probable because of the advantage of fishing out the seer. Anyway, once the night finishes, we may have more clarity.

 

 

Underlined: This was interesting. While checking on the last couple of pages again, I noticed that Pray seemed to notice Mish going against the claim, and even referenced her as a possible attempt to buddy someone his team would soon be killing.

 

Lenlo also came out with the "So now I know why Mish was going against AJ's claim..." thing after she died, implying that he was also paying attention to those who spoke out against AJ's claim.

 

I'm almost positive one or both of those knuckleheads (Lenlo and Pray) are scum.
 

 

I thought I had cut Des´s quote. Sorry.

 
Did you just defeat Des in the War of the Wall-of-Texts? 

 

 

NO ONE defeats me in a WoWoT's. Red and Dap may come close, but I am the MASTER!!!!!

[hazelkrs1]

Are you serious? What is the need to "draw a NK" when there was no threat to the seer at all?

 

Anyone can see that it would have been way more positive had he not lied. The wolves could have killed mafia. By lying, he just invited a town death no matter what.

On top of that, he ran a huge risk of outing the real seer which is what finally happened.

 

He is not town at all.

 

 

Lemme walk you through this. There are two werewolves in this game, and they control the NK. It goes without saying that they aren't going to NK themselves, and that they would want to kill the Seer. After surviving the first lynch, they would have had a 1/9 chance of hitting the Seer, just shooting blind. Not great odds, but still, the Seer WAS under threat of a potential NK.

 

If you're VT, and try and draw the NK, then if you succeed, you lower the chances of them hitting the Seer to 0%. It's been said by some that the best thing you can do as a VT is draw the scum team's NK. Personally, I like helping to nab scum, but meh /shrug

 

You can argue that his fake claiming ended up hurting town, that's fine. Or you can argue that he was trying to fish out the Seer, not draw the NK, which is also fine.

 

Acting like it's absurd that a townie would try and draw the NK to help protect town PR's is not fine.

[hazelkrs1]

And with that I'm done in here for a bit, got 3 other games to catch up in.