[Basic] Die Hard for Mafia Game Thread

[michellem]

 

Oh look! I mention Pral and he pops up. And again completly ignores my case, vote and that I pointed out that the ignored my case. And the reasons people have been airing about why Kaylee is the least likely to be mafia outside of Csarmi/Peace. Wooow.

 

Your case was so full of assumptions and it had nothing on what I said but just on others' possible actions.

 

1. You assumed that scum targetted Cloud. You don't know that (or do you?). You are just assuming that both Darthe and scum targetted Cloud when it is very much possible that they tried too kill Csarmi

 

I see no reason why the mafia would have tried to kill Csarmi, to be honest. I don't understand the choice of Cloud either; both are players that, if town, easily stumble into a lynch on their own. But Cloud is dead, and you were strongly tied to Cloud. That's what I know, and then I speculate out of that; it's generally how scumhunting works.

 

2. You assumed that there is Godfather in the game. Remember that when you made the case, it was BEFORE AJ died and you had no way way of knowing that there is a GF (or did you?). IN your own words, " I think I forgot to mention that most of tihs is based on the belief that he's the Godfather.". Right

 

Basic game = very high chance there is a godfather. I have very, very rarely seen one without, and then it's usually been a more or less open set-up. Going into a basic game, I excpect a cop, doc and godfather at the very minimum (it's all about balance, doc is there to balance the mafia's night kill, and the mafia needs something to balance the cop, or else the cop will break the game). I saw no reason to expect anything else in this game.

 

3. You assumed that the town had a lot of suspicion on me. You were not thee, Dice was playing. If you are just skimming through, it does appear that I had but at that point of time, it was not so much that scum had to employ a round-about tactic of killing Cloud just to remove suspicion on me. 

 

No, you didn't have a lot of suspicioun on you. But it was enough that you would have been a viable cop-object, and a town view + Cloud's death could have solidified you pretty much as town.

 

So, basically all your arguments are full of assumptions that it looks like you forcefully crafted a whole case.

 

Let's assume that the scum targetted Cloud,  it can be two things

1. You are blindly, foolishly falling into the bait that scum created 

2. You are scum and you thought people will start suspecting me and linking me with Cloud using this roundabout logic. When that didn't happen, you are trying very hard - really, really hard - to put it back into focus.

 

I believe it is the former. 

 

 

Or 3: I'm on to the right path, and you're worried.

[michellem]

 

Pral... Did you even read the posts I made about how it's unlikely, and downright stupid, for AJ to link himself like he did to Kaylee, if she's mafia? It doesn't even work with "oh mafia would never do that, so we'll do that becayse it seems unlikely". With one member down, and AJ having a very big chance of going down, that would simply be stupid.

 

It has been done before. Even after I started playing here. So, it is not unlikely. 

 

 

I said unlikely, not impossible. And when done, it's very, very rarely successfull.

[Pralaya]

Yes, but that the whole case is made of assumptions - high chance this, "i don't see a good reason" that - then it seems to be forcefully fitted.

 

You made the Godfather assumption EVEN BEFORE AJ died. And, that is what makes it all the more silly (or pingy). If it was that obvious that you could assume it with just one goon down, then what is all this debate about now? 

[Pralaya]

I said unlikely, not impossible. And when done, it's very, very rarely successfull.

 

 

In the one that I have seen it happen, it was almost done successfully and the scum lost only because they tried to do something stupid last day.

[michellem]

Yes, but that the whole case is made of assumptions - high chance this, "i don't see a good reason" that - then it seems to be forcefully fitted.

 

You made the Godfather assumption EVEN BEFORE AJ died. And, that is what makes it all the more silly (or pingy). If it was that obvious that you could assume it with just one goon down, then what is all this debate about now? 

 

It was a thought that struck me ; and had AJ been the godfather, I would have dropped it. But he ended up flipping as a good, so the thought stuck with me.

 

I very often make assumptions. A lot of the time I'm very wrong. But some times I'm very right before anyone else is willing to believe me. Thorum in the HP-game in the WT is a very good example.

[Luciena]

FYI I have no internet until tomorrow. Just on my iPad at the moment. Will catch up soon. In case anyone is wondering I'm Vanilla Town. To get the whole Ishy mentoring me and therefore I must be mafia argument out of the way.

[Kaylee]

Pral: thanks for giving a reason. I had already explained that my questioning Darthe was for his lack of reasoning. When I don't seem a reason for a vote I typically ask why.

Second, you can't distance if you're not on the same team. Also, AJ and I started N1 not D2. Third: I am aware, and said as much, that AJ had some votes at the time of my case. I never said I lead his lynch. I made the case because I was suspicious of him and it looked like his train might stall so I looked back and made a case on the one I felt was scum. I know my positioning was bad on NB'S train, I myself pointed that out already.

 

The post of mine about guilty cop viewings: that you have to look at in context. I was saying that a guilty cop viewing is a good reason to speed lynch (I had used the term rush lynch). I feel that easy every game. I was talking with Csarmi at the time about why rush lynching was against the towns favor. Most people freel that way.

[Kaylee]

My observations after going back to the beginning of D2:

 

Because it allows for wiggle room. By presenting both sides of a potential argument she doesn't have to commit to either side necessarily.

 

Her comments about Pral's train and his lack of getting hammered after being L-1 twice stuck out to me, specifically.

This stands out to me. I know he was trying to discredit me but this could easily be him trying to protect his teammate. (It's not much, may be nothing...just looking for connections).

 

 

 

 

Lenlo...why are you voting Dice?

This also has me curious. As I recall he hasn't posted much due to RL issues. I'm curious why you just seem to follow without any comment of your own.

 

Are you talking about about me or Dice?

 

so lenlo doesnt like Peace's post but then does as he is told??  And Peace directs the game apparently.

 

Any Reasons for the vote people?  cause i haven't seen one yet. 

Not what I said, stop purposefully misinterpreting. I said I dont like the pool that he gave because he omitted himself, Kaylee and Pral as if his own personal reads were 100% accurate. The only reason for anyone to follow his small list of 5 people would be if they trust him completely, which is something I rarely do in a mafia game. Other than that I have no problem with his post or his vote.

 

Lenlo...why are you voting Dice?

Right now its cause hes the lowest poster. He has the same amount as Quib, who was replaced awhile ago. From what little he has said I cant actually get much so I either want to force him into greater activity or just lynch him. Thats why I have no problem voting him.

 

Not a lot of casing lately from Lenlo. D2 he started off voting for Dice because he was the lowest poster and not enough information. 

 

 

unvote

I'm not going to get involved in the argument on Dice. I had him pegged for scum in my first post and his play reminds me of the last game I was in with him where he was on the mafia team. Generally absent (regardless of reasons) and only posts to defend himself instead of adding content.

vote Dice

Too close to DL to go elsewhere. I still think Kaylee would be a good place to look.

Here AJ wants to "get involved" with Dice but has him pegged as scum. Attempting to get another townie accused or bussing a teammate?

 

 

I don't necessarily agree with you on Dap Luci, but you're analyzing which is good. Which posts of his stuck out to you? How do you think what he said in those posts apply to the big picture? That's how you need to think.

Here AJ doesn't agree that Dap looks suspicious. Keeping a teammate out of light or trying to appear town? (These are the questions I asked myself when going back, now I'm just sharing them).

 

 

 

Dap went didn't you vote?

  
I thought I did?

That makes Kaylee more or less confirmed town in my eyes... It seemed like he tried so very hard to drag her down with him, but I don't buy it.

 
I'm meh about that. He did try very hard... But only after he was lynched, so he knew he would flip mafia. Perfect time to try save a teammate. However I believe there is only like 4 unconfirmed ATM, so lynch/view them all then go back to Kaylee

 

If we lynch luci len dap and kaylee I think the game is over no matter what.

Yea pretty much
If none of us are the mafia then I still think Kaylee is a likely choice

 

Bold: No, he started after me during the night phase, he started pushing harder once day broke.

Blue: Darthe mentions lynching Luci, Len, Dap and me. Dap agrees and says if it's none of the previous it must be me. What about Pral? It could just as easily be him. Not sure why you left him off the possible list. Because you're trying to incriminate him?

 

 

 

Dap you never voted. I went back to the beginning of D2 (pg 21) and gathered all the vote counts. I also looked at all your posts to make sure it wasn't lost. I never saw a vote from you.

As dawn broke over the Nakatomi Plaza the hostages began to stir, only to notice one among them was missing.  Upon a short search they discovered the corpse of a young limo driver.  He had clearly seen too much and had made himself expendable.

 

Cloud - Argyle - Vanilla Town has been Killed!

 

 

It is now Day 2.  With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.  A deadline is set for 7pm PST on Tuesday, September 24.

 

Not Voting: Everyone

 

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Kaylee(1): Andrej

Dice(2): Peace, Csarmi

 

Not Voting: Everyone else

 

Deadline for Day 2 is set for Tuesday, Sept. 24 at 7pm PST.

 

 

 

Official Vote Count:

 

 

 

Dice(4): Peace, Csarmi, Lenlo, Andrej

 

 

 

Not Voting: Luci, Darthe, Kaylee, Pral, Dice, Dap

 

 

 

Deadline for Day 2 is set for Tuesday, Sept. 24 at 7pm PST.  With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count:

 

 

 

Mish(3): Peace, Csarmi, Lenlo

 

Andrej(3): Pral, Darthe, Kaylee

 

 

 

Not Voting: Luci, Mish, Dap, Andrej

 

 

 

Deadline for Day 2 is set for Wednesday, Sept. 25 at 7pm PST.  With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Mish(3): Peace, Csarmi, Lenlo

Andrej(3): Pral, Darthe, Kaylee

 

Not Voting: Luci, Mish, Dap, Andrej

 

Deadline for Day 2 is set for Wednesday, Sept. 25 at 7pm PST.  With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Mish(3): Peace, Csarmi, Lenlo

Andrej(4): Pral, Darthe, Kaylee, Mish

 

Not Voting: Luci, Dap, Andrej

 

Deadline for Day 2 is set for Wednesday, Sept. 25 at 7pm PST.  With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.  (You did!  Good catch)

 

 

 

 

Final Vote Count:

 

 

 

Mish(3): Csarmi, Lenlo

 

Andrej(4): Pral, Darthe, Kaylee, Mish, Luci, Peace

 

Peace(1): Andrej

 

 

 

Not Voting: Dap

 

 

 

Deadline for Day 2 is set for Wednesday, Sept. 25 at 7pm PST.  With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.   That was the hammer there, scene incoming!

 

 

Quote this for analysis reasons. It's all the vote counts of D2. If Dap is scum then it would make sense he'd try to make a townie look guilty. He was trying to say it was me until this day phase. The last post I quoted (above) makes me think maybe Pral is town and Dap is scum for the reasons I commented. Pral was the first to vote AJ and he kept his vote there. (Yes I realize that he could be a teammate, but then why not try to discredit the train. Why start it at all?) Darthe we know is town, Peace is cop...that leaves Mish and Luci as possible scummates bussing when it looked as though AJ was going down. (I'd say more so for Luci due to timing...but I'm not trusting anyone besides Csarmi and Peace atm).

 

 

Self sacrificing Dap, recommending us two as the suggested trains for today. Either hes confident that I will get lynched or that it will give him enough town cred to pass for now.

 

I honestly dont think a town would be so quick to suggest themselves for a lynch and would instead focus on trying to find the last remaining scum from the unconfirmed.

 

Vote Dap

Bold: I'm beginning to wonder the same thing.

Green: Please feel free to do the same as you suggest...

 

 

 

Self sacrificing Dap, recommending us two as the suggested trains for today. Either hes confident that I will get lynched or that it will give him enough town cred to pass for now.
 
I honestly dont think a town would be so quick to suggest themselves for a lynch and would instead focus on trying to find the last remaining scum from the unconfirmed.
 
Vote Dap

The games pretty much over
It's almost impossible for town to lose at this point. I'm pretty sure I'm the next to go and that's ok cos towns gunna win. I was pretty sure Kaylee was the last mafia tbh, but after that death I'm not anymore. That means its likely you (or objectively you or me, but I know I'm town)
So it i go today, you go tomorrow
If you go today games over or I'm wrong and go the day after (or get viewed) and the last is left for the next day

It's pretty boring really

 

Bold: Almost but not entirely. The game you modded last town lost because we all had written off the remaining scum as town reads.

Purple: You get lynched the following day if Len turns up town, or get viewed? Does that mean you don't think there's a GF? No, you do because you thought I was GF until recently. So why does your post make it sound like if you were viewed you may not be a suspect any longer? I'm referring to the "Or I'm wrong and go the day after (or get viewed)" part.

 

 

Cos the basic setup is two goons and a GF
plus doc would be dead with a rb
also kaylee looked like she was setting up for naming darthe sk. Hence when he was the nk it eased my mind about her being the GF. Cos if she was she woulda let him live imo

len wanting to stay alive looks like he wants to be viewed, which suggests GF to me. I know im all self sacrificong so ill be lynched, but i think ive tied himm to me now enough that me flipping town will seal his lynch
Put that in your pipe and smmoke it len

Bold: quoted for emphasis.

Underlined: Possible

 

[Kaylee]

Vote Dap

[Kaylee]

Also, please sign up for my Advanced Vacations game!

[dapianoplay3r]

[csarmi]

Where is Peace? When is deadline?

 

I think Pralaya is town. If he has the balls to claim vanilla ans buses this well, he deserves to win anyway.

 

Though it just occured to me that gf would have to claim vanilla.

 

Anyway sorry that I cannot add note these days. I got a constant neck and head ache and it makes concentration hard.

[Kaylee]

Where is Peace? When is deadline?

 

I think Pralaya is town. If he has the balls to claim vanilla ans buses this well, he deserves to win anyway.

 

Though it just occured to me that gf would have to claim vanilla.

 

Anyway sorry that I cannot add note these days. I got a constant neck and head ache and it makes concentration hard.

Hope you feel better soon.

[Songstress]

Official Vote Count:

 

Lenlo (2): Dap, Csarmi

Dap (2): Lenlo, Kaylee

Pralaya (1): Mish

Kaylee (1): Pralaya

 

Not voting: Peace, Luci

 

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Deadline is Sunday, September 29th at 7PM Pacific time (deadline link)

[michellem]

I'll be gone for most of the day; got a funeral to go to, will be back this evening.

[csarmi]

Luci needs to vote. Peace needs to show up.

 

@MODS: anything going on with Peace? Going quiet for so long is unusual of him.

[peacesells]

I'm here.  Just watching a bit and letting others have a say finally.  Didn't want to be the driver.  Many times others rely too much on the cop.

 

I got an innocent view..but I doubt I'll get a guilty one from here on out.

 

VOTE DAP

[csarmi]

Feel like sharing your innocent view?

 

Agreed on people relying on the cop too much.

[peacesells]

Dap was my view.

[csarmi]

I'd rather not lynch Dap for now then. Maybe there's no GF.

Scum has to wifom the cop kill anyway.

[peacesells]

I could lynch Kaylee as well.  She should have been the target last night.  Scum could easily of painted Darthe as an SK and not vig. 

[csarmi]

I don't know about that Peace. Not following your logic by the way: why would a Kaylee shot paint Darthe as SK?

I find it very hard to imagine a Die Hard game without a Vig as John McClane.

[dapianoplay3r]

I don't know about that Peace. Not following your logic by the way: why would a Kaylee shot paint Darthe as SK?I find it very hard to imagine a Die Hard game without a Vig as John McClane.

Some mods would do exactly that precisely cos it would be so hard to imagine.

[peacesells]

We didn't know Darthe was JM before his death. 

[michellem]

I could lynch Kaylee as well.  She should have been the target last night.  Scum could easily of painted Darthe as an SK and not vig. 

 

No but then killing him the same night after Kaylee started to lay the hints kinda blows that theory.

 

I can agree to both a Dap and a Len lynch; I still think the final mafia is between those two and Pral, and we do have the numbers to survive a mislynch or two.

 

unvote vote Dap

 

That's L1 I believe