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peacesells Veteran

peacesells

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Darthe,

 

I'm not stuck on Dice.  He's really just part of what I believe is the scum pool.  Please let me know why you are so sure Dap and Dice are town.

Andrej Spam Master

Andrej

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Gotcha Lenlo. I forgot about that one. I admit I kind of skimmed earlier when I was trying to catch up.

 

I wasn't trying to be rude, btw. :happy: Just poking for discussion's sake.

 

Lenlo bringing out the EMO.  I could lynch him or Andrej as well.

Explain please.

Lenlo Spam Master

Lenlo

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Gotcha Lenlo. I forgot about that one. I admit I kind of skimmed earlier when I was trying to catch up.

 

I wasn't trying to be rude, btw. :happy: Just poking for discussion's sake.

 

Lenlo bringing out the EMO.  I could lynch him or Andrej as well.

Explain please.

 

Alright. Sorry about abit of the blow up, its just I have a problem with being called out for lurking when I know for a fact that im not.

peacesells Veteran

peacesells

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Gotcha Lenlo. I forgot about that one. I admit I kind of skimmed earlier when I was trying to catch up.

 

I wasn't trying to be rude, btw. :happy: Just poking for discussion's sake.

 

Lenlo bringing out the EMO.  I could lynch him or Andrej as well.

Explain please.

 

 

I think Lenlo being emotional was explanation enough.  

Lenlo Spam Master

Lenlo

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Gotcha Lenlo. I forgot about that one. I admit I kind of skimmed earlier when I was trying to catch up.

 

I wasn't trying to be rude, btw. :happy: Just poking for discussion's sake.

 

Lenlo bringing out the EMO.  I could lynch him or Andrej as well.

Explain please.

 

 

I think Lenlo being emotional was explanation enough.  

 

Yup, cause personal reactions are always scum responses. Oh my bad and here I said I was trying to cut back on the sarcasm. Guess I lied.

Darthe Spam Master

Darthe

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welcome Mish.

 

 

Lenlo, yes, appeal to emotion is a tactic that scum often use.

Its still really annoying that you think this. Mafia are faaar less likely to be actually emotional than town are. Town ies give their earnest reactions, mafia don't. Thus if you see emotional disposition in game and its real its more lukely to come from town. Scum are more likely to do mock emo, the only exception being when they are picked on all game or make a dumb error.

Lenlo Spam Master

Lenlo

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welcome Mish.

 

 

Lenlo, yes, appeal to emotion is a tactic that scum often use.

Appeal being the key word. Im not appealing to anyone, im not trying to sway votes with my reaction. I was annoyed, me and AJ resolved it and no I am no longer annoyed.

peacesells Veteran

peacesells

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welcome Mish.

 

 

Lenlo, yes, appeal to emotion is a tactic that scum often use.

Its still really annoying that you think this. Mafia are faaar less likely to be actually emotional than town are. Town ies give their earnest reactions, mafia don't. Thus if you see emotional disposition in game and its real its more lukely to come from town. Scum are more likely to do mock emo, the only exception being when they are picked on all game or make a dumb error.

 

 

Darthe, go look at the context of his emotional posts.  There was nothing to be emotional about.  It was all mock outrage.  And YOU yourself have used the tactic as scum.  So I don't get your point here.

 

Also, please explain your strong town reads on Dap and Dice.  Especially with Dap's obvious buddying up on your early game. 

Lenlo Spam Master

Lenlo

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Nothing for you perhaps, but I do actually get annoyed with being called lurking when I am not. The fact that your trying to make such a big deal out of this is actually suspicious.

Kaylee Spam Master

Kaylee

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And you dont find me suspicious, your picking out a joke vote that wasnt even counted because you cant self vote. What could I possibly be distancing myself from btw? Am I distancing myself from myself? No you dont find me suspicious, you just waited until someone else posted something that you could follow up with in the hopes it would start a train.

 

You are trying to distance from the perception that you are scum - making a silly move, acting not serious. And, that is why I find you suspicious. 

 

This quote of Pral's stands out to me. The first part is what I'm referring to. He explains it in the second part but for some reason it just stands out to me. (Could just be me being paranoid).

Kaylee Spam Master

Kaylee

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AJ: I can only speak for myself. I have no way to speak for others as I don't know their thought process. I can only observe and make my thoughts known.

 

 

Now I'm going back to look at something. It'll take me awhile but it might help narrow the field a bit.

Kaylee Spam Master

Kaylee

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Something that stood out to me earlier...

 

Dap calls me out here:

Diverting attention from yourself kaylee

 

 

Lol what attention?

I was confused because at the time I wasn't in anyone's spotlight except for his own and Csarmi's.

 

 

Oh and claim a pr cos it hopefully attracts a CC. Its mafias last ditch effort when goinh down

His response. Why would I claim anything at all? I wasn't receiving any pressure really. Just odd timing really.

 

Kaylee Spam Master

Kaylee

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I wanted to take a look at NotBob's train. Here it is from the start to finish...

UNVOTE 

 

VOTE NOT BOB

 

Strong town response from Lenlo. 

 

 

Not Bob is hiding his reasons to vote with the "my standard play" reasoning.  Not committing to a scum read on lenlo.

 

BTW...I do have pre-game info....but it's no different than any other town pre game info.  Csarmi was correct.

 

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

 

 

Lenlo(2): NotBob, Pral

 

Pralaya(2): Lenlo, Cloud

 

Csarmi(1): Darthe

 

Kaylee(1): Csarmi

 

Darthe(1): Luci

 

NotBob(1): Peace

 

 

 

Not Voting: Quibby, Dice, Dap, Kaylee

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  A deadline has been set for Friday, Sept. 20th at 7pm PST.

 

This is the first real vote as it has reasons accompanied other than for reactions sake.

 

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Lenlo(2): NotBob, Pral

Pralaya(3): Lenlo, Cloud, Kaylee

Csarmi(1): Darthe

Kaylee(1): Csarmi

Darthe(1): Luci

NotBob(1): Peace

 

Not Voting: Quibby, Dice, Dap

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  A deadline has been set for Friday, Sept. 20th at 7pm PST.

 

No change to his train at this point.

 

 

Stuff just got real.

unvote vote NotBob

Interesting reason, but this is the next vote on NotBob.

 

 

Don't be silly Len
I never said I didn't find you scummy
Plus even if I think you are more likely town, evening a train on you has its uses. By doing so you can watch and gauge where people will vote. If pray flips mafia it will be especially telling to see who comes in now to vote you instead of him. Its the whole reasons competing trains are great

Now stop whining about it

Bold: This is the reason I decided to go back and look at his train and how it developed.

 

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

 

 

Pralaya(4): Lenlo, Cloud, Kaylee, Peace,

 

Csarmi(1): Darthe

 

Cloud(1): Pral

 

Notbob(1): Csarmi 

 

 

 

Not Voting: Quibby, Dice, Dap, Luci, NotBob

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  A deadline has been set for Friday, Sept. 20th at 7pm PST.  

 

NotBob is still at one and Pral's train is climbing.

 

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Pralaya(4): Lenlo, Cloud, Kaylee, Peace,

Csarmi(1): Darthe

Cloud(1): Pral

Dice(1): Csarmi

 

Not Voting: Quibby, Dice, Dap, Luci, NotBob

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  A deadline has been set for Friday, Sept. 20th at 7pm PST.  

 

No more votes on NotBob.

 

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Pralaya(5): Lenlo, Cloud, Kaylee, Peace, Darthe

Cloud(1): Pral

Dice(1): Csarmi

 

Not Voting: Quibby, Dice, Dap, Luci, NotBob

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  A deadline has been set for Friday, Sept. 20th at 7pm PST.  

 

Still no NotBob train and Pral is at L-2.

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Pralaya(6): Lenlo, Cloud, Kaylee, Peace, Darthe, Dice

Cloud(1): Pral

Dice(1): Csarmi

 

Not Voting: Quibby, Dap, Luci, NotBob

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  A deadline has been set for Friday, Sept. 20th at 7pm PST

Pral at L-1 and looking like he's going down.

 

 

UNVOTE

 

I'm believing the claim.  Scum being run up day one would claim a power role.

 

Let's run up Not Bob and see what happens.

 

VOTE NOT BOB

Peace believes Pral's claim and votes NotBob-to "see what happens".

 

 

 

UNVOTE
 
I'm believing the claim.  Scum being run up day one would claim a power role.


Or vanilla town. I agree with you that iT's a good idea to keep a vanilla claim alive, but for different reasons. 
 

Let's run up Not Bob and see what happens.
 
VOTE NOT BOB


I can get behind that.

unvote vote NotBob

 

2nd vote on NotBob- for pressure seems like.

 

 

Check the VC first to make sure I don't do something silly again

vote not bob
Ill be around all day

3rd vote for NotBob for???? Not sure the reasoning as none was given. (I hadn't noticed that before).

 

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

 

 

Pralaya(4): Lenlo, Cloud, Darthe, Dice

 

Cloud(1): Pral

 

NotBob(3): Peace, Csarmi, Dap

 

 

Not Voting: Quibby, Luci, NotBob, Kaylee

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  A deadline has been set for Friday, Sept. 20th at 7pm PST

 

The trains on Pral and NotBob are almost even and deadline is close to 24 hours by this point.

 

 

 



 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

 

 

Pralaya(4): Lenlo, Cloud, Darthe, Dice

 

Cloud(1): Pral

 

NotBob(3): Peace, Csarmi, Dap

 

 

Not Voting: Quibby, Luci, NotBob, Kaylee

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  A deadline has been set for Friday, Sept. 20th at 7pm PST

 

 

Okay, got the PM finally.

 

Reading along with the game, I'll give my impressions.

 

Luci is newb.

Darthe is Town along with Peace.

Kaylee bugs me with her over-explanation of everything. I don't like her WIFOM either about Pral's train.

Dice is probably scum. Seems like he's on that meta.

CS rambles a lot.

Pral has been defeated it seems. Kind of surprised he latched so strongly onto Lenlo for his reasons. Could go either way on his VT claim. I think it's bad form to give someone the benefit of the doubt just because of the phase and his claim that everything must be absolute. I would probably have done the same in his shoes if I were scum.

The Dap and Cloud exchange was exhausting. Seems like they like to tunnel each other, but I think both are Town for now.

NotBob seems to be playing the same way I saw him in another game. Short breathed and changes votes sporadically without much explanation. Generally I don't think it's helpful to Town.

 

Pral, NotBob, Dice and Kaylee. Biggest scum reads at the moment.

 

Considering we have D/L tomorrow evening and I might not make it:

 

vote NotBob

 

Let's even out the trains and see what happens.

 

Trains are even: 4th vote on NotBob for-meta, DL, and to even out and "see what happens". (Didn't Peace use that same line?)

 

 

Kaylee Spam Master

Kaylee

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unvote vote notbob.

5th Vote on NotBob for-??? I forgot to grab the quote where he answered my questioning his reasoning.

 

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Pralaya(4): Lenlo, Cloud, Dice, Kaylee

Cloud(1): Pral

NotBob(5): Peace, Csarmi, Dap, Andrej, Darthe

 

Not Voting: Luci, NotBob

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  A deadline has been set for Friday, Sept. 20th at 7pm PST

 

NotBob is now the lead train at L-2.

 

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

 

 

Pralaya(2): Lenlo, Dice

 

Cloud(1): Pral

 

NotBob(5): Peace, Csarmi, Dap, Andrej, Darthe

 

 Lenlo(1): NotBob

 

Peace(1): Cloud

 

 

Not Voting: Luci, Kaylee

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  A deadline has been set for Friday, Sept. 20th at 7pm PST  (12 Hours from now)

 

Pral's train is down to 2 and NotBob stays at L-2.

 

 

unvote

 



Vanilla Town here.

 

Looks like someone has crawled under a rock.

 

Vote Lenlo

 

Are you voting for Lenlo just because he hasn't posted?

 



 



Pral has been defeated it seems. Kind of surprised he latched so strongly onto Lenlo for his reasons. Could go either way on his VT claim. I think it's bad form to give someone the benefit of the doubt just because of the phase and his claim that everything must be absolute. I would probably have done the same in his shoes if I were scum.

 

Well, not exactly defeated but at a point where whatever I say could go against me (and the timezone too, yeah, just woke up). I am still in the opinion that Lenlo and Cloud are scum in this game. Lenlo has disappeared and Cloud's explanations have not convinced me. I have a feeling that most of those active right now are town and the scum have settled in the background watching the show unfold. 

 

 

What was your original reason for voting Lenlo? That he didn't read the rules and self-voted?

AJ unvotes NB to question his reasoning for voting Len. Seems odd going back to look at it. If you're sure he's scum or at least suspect he is, why unvote to question the motives of the one you're suspicious of? Why not leave him at L-2 while awaiting an answer?

 

 

So, we've got Cloud discrediting Pral further while voting for Peace. (Peace never said he'd believe any role on D1, just that he believed Pral's, btw. That's an important detail that you're misrepresenting here.)

 

At this point, these are the associations that I see.

 

Cloud and Kaylee are against NotBob's train. Cloud through his interference by going after Peace and now arguing with Dap. Kaylee more subtle with first the unvote that gained some attention and then revoting Pral to even out the trains.

 

Peace wants to lynch NotBob over Pral on the basis that he believes Pral's VT claim. Why NotBob, Peace? I don't remember you actually making a case on him before.

 

vote NotBob

 

At this point, with NotBob having the most votes and this close to DL, I think he should be our lynch. If he flips scum then I think Cloud and/or Kaylee are his teammates.

AJ re-votes NotBob-because it's close to DL and he has the most votes. (Someone else I think Pral, pointed out how this post seems odd. He's not voting because he thinks NB is scummy, but because of DL and it's the longest train. AJ's own words).

 

 

Vote NotBob

I vote for DL. I admit it's not the best reasoning, but I wasn't sure of anyone at this point. 

 

 

 

 



Vanilla Town here.

 

Looks like someone has crawled under a rock.

 

Vote Lenlo

 

Are you voting for Lenlo just because he hasn't posted?

 

Yeah sorry about being gone. Its first set of exam season here so ive been spendin time on those and alittle here. That will clear up by next Tuesday though and ill be back in full swing.

 

 

 

I'm voting Lenlo cause he's my best choice for scum.

 

Your best choice with no actual reasoning.

 

NotBob has done little to no actual casing for his votes and is just pushing people seemingly at random. Hes not elaborating or explaining anything and while this might be his thing, hes no Wombat.

 

unvote vote NotBob. I would prefer Pral but thats not looking possible at the moment.

 

Lenlo hammers NB-because of little to no casing on votes, pushing people at random and not elaborating/explaining anything.

 

 

 

I sprained my wrist on Wednesday, so have been out of it for the last couple of days. Sorry about not being online.

 

 

I mentioned NotBob’s reasoning for Lenlo’s self vote seemed off to me.

 

 

I asked Lenlo about it as did Darthe, twice as I remember, Cloud asked me to make sure whether I was going to vote Lenlo or not. (pressure on me Cloud  said)

 

I voted Darthe as his interaction with Dap sounded very chummy, I might have been mistaken in that

 

 

 

Concerning NotBob I already got a bit iffy when he kept on Lenlo for not reading the rules.

 

 

 I am believing Lenlo at the moment with the explanation he gave.

 

 

Hence

 

 

Vote NotBob

 

Luci tries to vote NB but fails to realize he's already been hammered. (Not sure if she didn't read the posts where it was mentioned that Lenlo had already hammered).

 

Here's the analysis continued...

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT: (At time of hammer)

 

Pralaya(1): Dice

 

Cloud(1): Pral

 

NotBob(7): Peace, Csarmi, Dap,  Darthe, Andrej, Kaylee, Lenlo

 

 Lenlo(1): NotBob

 

Peace(1): Cloud

 

 

 

Not Voting: Luci

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Scene Incoming!

 

Final Vote count.

Kaylee Spam Master

Kaylee

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Based on the above AJ votes for NotBob as the 4th vote for meta, deadline, and to even out the trains and to "see what happens". He then unvotes the next RL day to question NotBob on his reasons for voting Len. (Seems an odd reason to unvote if you think the person is likely scum). He then re-votes for, according to his own words in his post, deadline being close and NotBob is the longest train.

 

 

Vote AJ

Kaylee Spam Master

Kaylee

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Dap made the comment about evening trains.  I didn't.  I don't think I'd ever us that bogus reasoning...while pointing it out.

I was referring to the "See what happens" line not evening the trains out. Seemed like he was copying you.

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