November 7th, 1606: Day 4 (CONCLUDED)

[Verbal32]

Okay, so reviewing, I'd like to point out that Mr. Ree has not voted one time in this game.

 

Wait a minute... *checks post count*

 

Actually.... you know what? Mr. Ree hasn't even posted in this game.

 

Please tell me that's a joke.

[lolguy26]

lynch all lurkers.

 

QFT 

[lolguy26]

 

Okay, so reviewing, I'd like to point out that Mr. Ree has not voted one time in this game.

 

Wait a minute... *checks post count*

 

Actually.... you know what? Mr. Ree hasn't even posted in this game.

 

Please tell me that's a joke.

 

 

he's kidding.................not

 

 

 

Verbal32 107 Yates. 102 Nolder 56 csarmi 48 WWWwombat 46 Misheru Sedai 40 Despothera 33 bgrishinko 32 peacesells 32 lolguy26 32 Darthe 30 Hallia 28 dapianoplay3r 28 Leelou 25 Krakalakachkn 19 _CLOUD 17 TinaHel 16 Tiinker 15 Razen 15 serra 14 Ishmael Forsaken 13 Pralaya 13 Lenlo 11 The Crusher

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[Verbal32]

Holy crap I posted too much in this thread, lol.

[Darthe]

Ey, we got this.

[dapianoplay3r]

Actually.... you know what, all of his quotes are from T3. So it still stands just for the wrong game. Seems like he just posted in the wrong spot.

 

Dap. Move it over to T3.

 

Maybe you are right Verb that he's been playing too clean here, but I'm going to have to say it was a bit suspicious of you for jumping all over Dap without checking to see if his case was in the correct thread.

Ill move it now. I think I just posted to the wrong thread

  

Wait... no... I'm wrong again. The vote counts at the beginning seem to be from this game, but the rest of the quotes are from T3.

 

Now I'm confused at Dap's points in general.

And apparently copied the wrong VC for the rules thread

FML

Ignore this all

Ill fix and move it to T3 then do one for here

[serra]

Thoughts:

 

Razen is basically town. I don't think scum would fakeclaim doc in his position.

 

I think there's a good chance peace is scum, having been the counterwagon to Yates. His late vote on the Yates wagon is self-preservation.

 

Nolder sheeping the Yates wagon seems uncharacteristic. I also had some concerns about this Nolder earlier, so he's probably scum, too. 

 

I don't think Nolder/verb makes any sense. I think verb was just town unlucky enough to have championed a lynch on Yates.

 

On the other hand, verbal is setting himself up with a LOT of outs for tomorrow. If Nolder is town, verbal is probably scum.

[WWWwombat]

November 6, 1606

 

Macintosh had found it.  He'd had to pore over dozens of ledgers but he's finally found what he needed.  A discrepancy.  It was always in the numbers.  You couldn't hide the numbers.  Either the accounts balanced or they didn't.  The problem was of course that not many folk kept reliable records.  This man had to though.  His business demanded...what was that smell.  Something burning?  He was too careful with his candle to let that happen.  And yet as he looked around the smell got stronger and he saw a burning spark trailing down a fuse toward the back of the shop.  He ran towards it, knowing he had to stamp it out.  But the fuse was faster than he'd expected.  Whoever had set it had been near.

 

kaBOOM

 

 

Pralaya, Gregory Macintosh, Vanilla Town, has been killed.

[WWWwombat]

Day 4

 

8 to lynch.

[Nolder]

Thoughts:

 

Razen is basically town. I don't think scum would fakeclaim doc in his position.

 

I think there's a good chance peace is scum, having been the counterwagon to Yates. His late vote on the Yates wagon is self-preservation.

 

Nolder sheeping the Yates wagon seems uncharacteristic. I also had some concerns about this Nolder earlier, so he's probably scum, too. 

 

I don't think Nolder/verb makes any sense. I think verb was just town unlucky enough to have championed a lynch on Yates.

 

On the other hand, verbal is setting himself up with a LOT of outs for tomorrow. If Nolder is town, verbal is probably scum.

That's me being lazy and selfish.

Yates was on my case hardcore. I'm town. I didn't want to spend the time and energy fighting him over stuff and if kept around I didn't trust that he wouldn't eventually convince everyone to lynch me and I didn't want to spend time making a better case against someone else. Also I didn't lie when I said BG's case was convincing. It may be that I was in a mind where I wanted to be convinced though.

 

As for being connected to Verbal or anyone else. I don't know where that's coming from.

Confused me as much as Yates Nolder/Cloud thing.

[Pralaya]

Bah!

 

Go town

 

[Darthe]

+1 for the Dark Souls reference.

[Verbal32]

Thoughts:

 

Razen is basically town. I don't think scum would fakeclaim doc in his position.

 

I think there's a good chance peace is scum, having been the counterwagon to Yates. His late vote on the Yates wagon is self-preservation.

 

Nolder sheeping the Yates wagon seems uncharacteristic. I also had some concerns about this Nolder earlier, so he's probably scum, too. 

 

I don't think Nolder/verb makes any sense. I think verb was just town unlucky enough to have championed a lynch on Yates.

 

On the other hand, verbal is setting himself up with a LOT of outs for tomorrow. If Nolder is town, verbal is probably scum.

 

Wanna explain how if Nolder is town that makes me scum?

[bgrishinko]

As promised to Yates, I'm going to go back and reevaluate the case on Peace

[bgrishinko]

 Okay, so I went back and re-read Peace.
 
Day 1: Very against Leelou and Cloud. Continually tries to tie Leelou to Cloud as much as possible. Remarks multiple times they are probably a scum team. Seems Peace has taken for granted that Cloud is scum already. Odd note: He never votes.

 

vote Cloud 

 
Early distancing?
 

[*inner quotes redacted for space*]
ZOMG but it was the bestest trap eva!

 
Funny..but doesn't vote Csarmi yet.  Still on Cloud
 

Unvote. Vote Cloud.

 
Look who follows Leelou without a reason.

[*inner quotes redacted for space*]

woohoo...
 
unvote, vote salami
 
Still watching cloud though...

 
Votes Csarmi..but pointing at cloud.  Early distancing?  These two are tied together somehow.

[*inner quotes redacted for space*]
 
So could move my vote back.

 
More bogus distancing
 

Vote: Cloud.

 
No reason to vote Cloud from Razen...2rd person to do this.
 
 
Note:  This is all just some strange stuff I'd like to see fleshed out.

 

The very first thing in this quote is an accusation of early distancing. That only applies if you know Cloud is mafia. On day 1, only 3 people voted for cloud: Leelou, Ishy, and Razen. Leelou and Ishy have been found to be town, Razen seems safe in his Doc claim so far. What reason is there to belive Cloud is mafia and needs to be distanced from?
 

 

[*inner quotes redacted for space*]
He jumped on an easy train and it was the way he did it. Just slipped in going with everyone else.

 
Right..but you removed your vote.  Yet mentioned him a few more times.  Distancing.  You and Cloud...scum team?  Add Ishy too?

 

You seem pretty darn convinced it was distancing, which doesn't make sense unless you believe that Cloud is scum already.
 
So the question is: Given these facts, why didn't you vote Cloud? Or Leelou? or Ishy? Why didn't you vote at all? Doesn't make sense to me.
 
 
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Moving on. N2, Peace gets kinda spammy, whatever. Leelou and Ishy wind up dead.  Now this is a tactic I've used as mafia before. NKing the people I'm most against even if they look like they might get lynched at some point because why would I NK a good potential Lynch target as mafia, I wouldn't? So I do it. This is convenient because it only leaves Peace with one person to vote without looking like too much a stretch: Cloud.
 

 

[*inner quotes redacted for space*]
 
I would agree that it has to be coincidental that they both died.  What I'm getting at is the fact that Peace picked them out specifically in his post because they voted Cloud with no reason at the time and cast it as a distancing maneuver.  Suddenly, they're dead.  I meant it more along the lines of is it coincidental that Peace mentioned them both in his post, calling them out for unexplained votes on Cloud and now they're dead?  Or is that the exact reason that they ended up dead?

 
 
To me it looks like a frame up of me.  If Cloud is scum and people believed my opinion of early distancing then his team may hope that Leelou flipping town would show my case invalid and therefore make him look less suspicious.  If he was worried that he would be lynched before Leelou he would want her dead.
 
VOTE CLOUD

 

 
Its reverse WIFOM. Now Peace can use this argument of a frame job in order to have a valid reason to bus Cloud without any suspicion and probably gaining some town points. Now its apparent now that Cloud's goal was probably to get killed to use his role. Which means the Day 2 votes don't really amount to too much at this point and don't provide any good evidence.
 

Desp..you need to re-read that whole interaction cause you've interpreted it wrong.  My early thoughts were Leelou and Cloud were scum and Leelou's play came across as distancing from a scum partner.

Well..let's lynch Cloud and see how it turns out.

 
Desp did misunderstand and misrepresent Peace's play. I agree with that. But nudges Cloud's lynch some more as the conversation was becoming a distraction.
 

 

[*inner quotes redacted for space*]
That's exactly how I read it. It didn't look like distancing at all to me. I think you were trying to link them so that if your teammate (Cloud in this scenario) went down you could set Leelou up. Then that reasoning might have changed and you decided to kill Leelou in the hopes of keeping Cloud alive.

 
I could see your viewpoint on the first sentence...but that makes the next sentence completely whacky.

 

 
I also agree with Peace here. Despo's conclusions don't make much sense here and feel contridictory.
 

These links make Razen feel Town to me:
Post 1
Post 2

Also, the Tiinker kill is interesting. I'm still looking for a reason for that one. No info lynch? One person that wouldn't want Tiinker killed, though, is Razen:

My boy Razen has a point.

Vote Cloud

Not a strong argument, to be sure, but something I'm weighing in consideration of the current Razen wagon. Obviously, Peace currently voting for Razen means something as well.

Also, how quickly we forget...

TL;DR: So yeah, Peace is actually tied to Cloud pretty tremendously. This makes Cloud a perfect info lynch for this thread. He flips scum, and that makes Peace look worse.

Clear distancing post/bus:

[*inner quotes redacted for space*]
I hope that after I flip town you will be the next one to hang.

Vote Razen.

Sadly I have only one vote, otherwise I would have voted for all three of them.

Notice how Cloud FoS's Peace while voting for Razen - who had a couple of people calling him scummy at that point? Points less to Cloud distancing and more to Cloud trying to find a feasible counter wagon.

Vote: Peace

 

 
Going back to Yates case with a clearer mind, his first and 2nd points don't make too much sense to me still, but I will concede the 3rd point might be right.
 
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Day 3: Fairly quiet most the day. Was on Razen's lynch before the reveal, but so were a lot of people. So whatever. Not a lot of info to be gained there.
 
Near the end of the day when Yates or Peace were the only trains we get this:
 

UNVOTE VOTE YATES

No reasoning, but assumedly this is because its the only other train and its self preservation. Fair enough.
 

Yes, random is no bueno.  I'm believing Yates for now
 
Vote Peace

lol
 
UNVOTE VOTE HALLIA

Talk about sheep..baaa..baaa..baaa.

 
Huh? What's this change in vote all about? Why is Hallia's reason for voting Peace any worse than anyone else's? This doesn't make sense to me. lol? Sheep? Wha?
 

UNVOTE VOTE YATES

And back to Yates for good measure. I guess Peace was just trying to make a point or something. In any case it doesn't make sense.
 
Basically I had blinders on that Yates was scum. Therefore his push of Peace made me automatically think Peace was probably town at that point and I was looking at his posts with rose colored glasses when I reviewed Yates case. I did end up being right that he had to be scum in either this thread or one of the others based on his support of outing PRs in T3. But I was wrong about him being scum here. In fact my read was backwards on him in all 3 threads. Thought he was townie in T1/T3 and scum here. 
 
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TL;DR Summary: Looking back, I can understand Yates case on Peace more. His D1 seems like a big setup to D2 to get Cloud lynched and buy him some townie points and his D3 play was kind of weird erratic at the end.
 
Vote Peace

[peacesells]

Yes BG..i was making a statement about Hallia propensity in all three threads to swoop in and sheep vote without any real game play.

 

Good case and I can see some of that perspective when it comes to cloud.  But remember that was early day one and no one but scum would have solid reads.  I was prodding and poking and stating my thoughts at that time of the game. 

 

 

Anyway, I'll be back on Monday...going fishing in a couple hours.

[bgrishinko]

I guess that makes sense about Hallia sweeping in. Didn't notice it in the other threads cause I was just re-reading this one.

 

So, why didn't you vote anything on day 1 then? Niether Leelou, Cloud, or Ishy?

[bgrishinko]

Also, if you aren't going to be back till Monday you probably won't be back before deadline... or maybe just before. I'm unsure since the deadlines haven't been as strict lately and there isn't a deadline post yet for this thread.

 

Anything you want to add before you go?

[peacesells]

I have a couple quick thoughts.  Verbal is a bit touchy feely kinda like the Nolder game where he was scum.  I picked up on that early that game and they killed me for it.  He may be pulling a reverse to fix his meta but seems scummy in his delivery.

 

Also, getting major scum gut feeling from Serra...but had that in the other thread too.  Could be some OMGUS cause he basically picked 2 threads early on to mention me as scum in about every big post.  Don't know if this a meta establishment over two threads or not.  One being town, one being scum.  I can see risking a town thread to establish a scum thread...if that makes sense.

 

Back to packing.

[peacesells]

I'd have to read all of day 1 again to remember my thoughts there.  I was definitely more involved in 1 and 3 than here.

[lolguy26]

vote hal

 

she's been too opportunistic with her voting and just sheeping along  

[bgrishinko]

vote hal

 

she's been too opportunistic with her voting and just sheeping along  

 

Is this referring to this game, or is this an in general meta vote?

 

Because in this game she's voted exactly twice. Once on the Razen train before reveal, then later for Peace rather than the more opportunistic train of Yates yesterday. She did not vote Day 1 or 2.

[lolguy26]

general actually, considering the other 2 threads are in night 

 

and also i dont her lurky play this game 

[bgrishinko]

general actually, considering the other 2 threads are in night 

 

and also i dont her lurky play this game 

 

So I'm calling BS on this vote. You apparently don't have any reason to think she's mafia in this thread particularly. If you are going to meta-vote for poor play rather than for alignment, make it known. Trying to pretend there is a reason for this thread more than the others with some made up stuff isn't going to cut it. She has approximately the same amount of posts across all 3 threads, and this one she actually has the most. I wouldn't call her Peace vote yesterday all that opportunistic, otherwise she'd have gone after Yates who had more votes.

 

If she's lurky, then she lurks in every game. So it looks like you are just trying go for an easy target in this one.

[lolguy26]

actually i just voted her for a reaction and get her to post more