Just wondering

[Will al Seen]

Ok. You know how sometimes, to protect themselves from getting wet in the rain, aes sedai/asha'man will use that weave that makes a sort of force field around them?, well would that " force field " also protect hem from, say and arrow or the swing of a sword, any kind of blow at them besides anything with the Power? Anyone know anything about that?

[SBoydW]

A shield of air can be made. It's probably not the same as the umbrella weave but it is out there... can put my finger on a specific place in the books but it's been done I believe.

[Will al Seen]

Ohhh yes yes, i remember now. Rand and the asha'man used a huge dome of air at Dumais Wells and then just lift it up a little bit to chuck fire and stuff at them, i can't believe i forgot about that part.

[rrmike]

Yeah that and the big dome Rand made when he was fighting with Lanfear on the docks. Those were stationary though vs a shield that moved with the person. I've wondered about that too.

 

I would assume it would work the same. If it stops rain drops which are matter then it should stop anything else physical unless it has a breaking point that is exceeded by the amount of force being applied.

[Mat is the Boss]

Rand made a shield around himself when he was fighting Asmodean in Rhuidean, which stopped lightning, balls of fire and so on. When he was attacked in the Sun Palace he made a shield that would stop anything(except balefire), even air to breathe. A shield that stop arrows shouldn`t be a problem.

[Albert]

We have seen them make different shields, but all of them were stationary. If they would be able to make a shield that moved with them we should have seen it somewhere. Might be possible to make, but I find it unlikely.

[Mat is the Boss]

Rands shield in Rhuidean was moving with him, he was running after Asmodean when he made it.

[onepower_ftw]

Also want about the shield that Rand uses in tPoD when attacked by owhatishisname'gar in the Sun Palace. That was made out of air and kept everything out but balefire. Only problem was that it kept air out too.

[caraieil]

Would it be possible to make a shield out of spirit which only keeps out weaves of the one power? What do people think?

[Master of the Blades]

There are three instances we know in the books where shields were made to protect against the One Power.

 

(LOC Dumai Wells) The Ashaman created a dome to shield themselves from attacks by the Shaiso Wise Ones

 

(WH With the Choedan Kal) Cadsuane weaves a shield to protect the channelers from attack by the Forskaken

 

(KOD The Last Knot) The Wise Ones with Perrin use the One Power to protect against attacks by the Shaido Wise Ones.

[Guest Wynne Jessal]

There are three instances we know in the books where shields were made to protect against the One Power.

 

(LOC Dumai Wells) The Ashaman created a dome to shield themselves from attacks by the Shaiso Wise Ones

 

(WH With the Choedan Kal) Cadsuane weaves a shield to protect the channelers from attack by the Forskaken

 

(KOD The Last Knot) The Wise Ones with Perrin use the One Power to protect against attacks by the Shaido Wise Ones.

 

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[Master of the Blades]

My apologies

 

I should have said three additional instances.

[Guest Wynne Jessal]

My apologies

 

I should have said three additional instances.

 

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[Treeofcalm]

I think everything has been said already, but here is a thought: If the rain umbrella works for rain, would it also work against snow? Furthermore, would it work against hail or sleet? After all, they are all forms of water.

[SBoydW]

A shield of ari can be modified to block out everything except balefire.

[Treeofcalm]

Yes, I am well aware of that. As I said, I am curious about a simple rain umbrella.

A shield of ari can be modified to block out everything except balefire.

[SBoydW]

uh well... I don't know but if it doesn't just modify it.

[Hero of Satsuma]

When Taim is training the Asha'man, he is showing Flinn (I think) how to make a rock explode. When Flinn performs the weave he is reprimanded by Taim for not putting up a shield of air to block the exploding rock fragments.

[Treeofcalm]

HAHA I remember that. Flinn got whacked in the face...kinda serves him right though. What, he thought that an exploding rock wouldn't touch him?

[chemteach1977]

Seems like there must be some limitation about how strong a movable shield can be. Maybe a shield rigid enough to deflect arrows cannot move as easily as one that just deflects rain.

If there is no limitation, then everyone is stupid if they do not walk into battle wearing "air armor." Could even weave it around others and tie off the weaves. RJ would have to include some type of limitation or we would have battalions of soldiers that are immune to anything except balefire.

[Paladin]

There are already limitaions to the shields. Can a soldier have a shield tied to him & still be able to use a sword or bow in battle? If nothing can get in nothing can get out either. Also we have the example of the invisibility weave that Rand ties to Egwene in LOC that shows that moving while you have a weave tied to you disturbs the weave. I suppose it would be possible to tie several weaves of air to someone the same way you would wear plate mail armour, with specific body parts covered by the shield. Protection in exchange for mobility.

[Toenail]

Maybe I'm remembering wrong, or maybe I skipped a sentance in the book when it was talking about the "Umbrella weave", but I dont remember him saying that it was a flow of air. I always assumed that it was a ward set to keep moisture out.

 

Eh, who knows.

[Darkloki]

Also want about the shield that Rand uses in tPoD when attacked by owhatishisname'gar in the Sun Palace. That was made out of air and kept everything out but balefire. Only problem was that it kept air out too.

 

owhatishisname'gar... I like :lol:

 

As for the shield of air or what ever, I think it is limited to power of the person. Rand is one of the strongest channelers, so maybe his weave can be strengthed to do what is needed, with more the shield can grow (Dumani Wells) however, remember that is will keep air out as well, so pretty much, its a give and take thing, you're protect but you cant breath.

[Thor]

I still don't feel that the shield is just made of air, where did it say that?

 

I makes much more sense if it is made of multiple elements, maybe even all five.

[Guest Wynne Jessal]

From TPoD, "A Cup of Sleep":

 

Dashiva channeled, and with no time to think, Rand wove — as so often, he did not know what; something dredged from Lews Therin's memories; he was not even sure he created the weave entirely himself, or whether Lews Therin snatched at saidin — Air and Fire and Earth woven around himself just so. The fire that leaped from Dashiva erupted, shattering marble, flinging Rand back down the hallway, bounding and rolling in his cocoon.

 

That barrier would keep out anything short of balefire. Including air to breathe. Rand released it panting, scraping along the floor, with the crash of the explosions still ringing in the air, dust still hanging and bits of broken marble tumbling. As much as for breath, though, he let it go because what could keep the Power out, kept it in.