Cheerleading lynches

[hazelkrs1]

I wanted to test the waters and see what others felt on this topic, as it has recently kind of gotten on my nerves a lot.

 

Cheerleading lynches is what it pretty much seems to indicate, kind of goin overboard in trying to encourage others to join a train. I don't mean when you're pleading or using reason and logic in a pressured tone either, I'm more speaking of the "Everyone hop aboard! Choo choo!" type thing.

 

To me, it's both slightly scummy and kinda unsportsmanlike. I have a feeling I am once again in the minority on this issue however. The reason I feel it is slightly scummy is that it seems slightly more desperate, like a scum trying his hardest to push a train instead of their own or a teammates, so tries to make a game out of training someone. And I feel it is somewhat unsportsmanlike because I think mafia can be a civil game and contest (yeah yeah yeah, I'm sure some of you are thinking this is ironic coming from me), but cheerleading kinda throws that out the window in lieu of trying to use reason and logic and casing to convince others to join your vote.

 

Anyways, what yall think?

[peacesells]

I don't find it unsportsmanlike.  I do find it scummy. 

[hazelkrs1]

I guess it's not unsportsmanlike if the goal of the person using that strategy is doing so in an attempt to provoke more emotion from his target (then it's just gameplay like a lot of other provoking type strategies). Just thought about that. I don't think that's the case usually however.

[peacesells]

TBH..i think a couple of JN'ers have done it and others have thought it was cool..so they mimic.  Not unusual. 

 

This is not a bash JN'ers statement.  I really like the ones that have migrated here.

[WWWwombat]

I prefer to call it "spearheading" or "railroading" depending on whether I'm doing it or someone is doing it to me. And it's a good strategy for when you need to build momentum due to impending deadline or other strategic concerns.

[WWWwombat]

My typical spearheading comments include:

 

Choo choo!

All aboard!

NO BRAKES

 

And various situationally specific comments.

[Darthe]

I like watching it build trains because I like the info. 

 

I hate when people actually lynch based on it.  That's poor play and for townies to let it go that far is to basically set up more mislynches for their own team.

[WWWwombat]

Meh. You basically did it indirectly with DPR by beating everyone who didn't vote him with a stick. I just use the carrot approach.

[hazelkrs1]

I prefer to call it "spearheading" or "railroading" depending on whether I'm doing it or someone is doing it to me. And it's a good strategy for when you need to build momentum due to impending deadline or other strategic concerns.

 

My problem tho is that if you're town using the strategy, then if the target ends up flipping town it can make you look a lot worse. Parading a lynch that ends up on a townie just won't sit very well with a lot of people.

 

And there are ways to push a lynch, even with pressure, if a deadline is approaching without "spearheading". You can still appeal to reason, or just plain urge others to vote to secure a lynch so you can get info.

 

Meh. You basically did it indirectly with DPR by beating everyone who didn't vote him with a stick. I just use the carrot approach.

 

While I think Darthe was being very aggressive when he was pushing for DPR's lynch, I didn't see him cheerlead it. He didn't treat it like it was a fun game to get him lynched, he wanted to get him lynched because he believed strongly that DPR was scum and that we couldn't let him escape two days in a row.

 

Like I said, it's not the aggressive pushing of a train that I mind so much, it's the way that some go about it that kind of bugs me a bit. Comments like "All ABOARD!" and "NO BRAKES!" are somewhat funny in one way, but in another way they're also kind of not the classiest comments you can make. Nothing personal Wombat.

[WWWwombat]

I understand. I picked it up in more frivolous environs. I don't do it unless there's a good reason to lynch that I've already articulated.

[Darthe]

^That is okay to me.

 

I think the point being made here is that lynching to have a lynch is only preferable to randoms.

[hazelkrs1]

Securing a lynch is also almost always better than not getting a lynch even if there aren't ransoms either tho, as there's more info to be gained from a coroner report, etc. Don't get me wrong, I also find no lynches to be viable at times as well (my favorite is doing it on a long day 1 after pressuring a few people), but trying to avoid a random isn't the only reason to push for a lynch.

 

@Wombat. Fair enough. Part of it honestly just might be my hyper sensitivity lately lol. Sand in the mangina and all that

[John E. Kelley]

I call on folks to join me on a train. They join me.

 

I can't help it that I'm right 100% of the time. But others have grown to know this by now.

 

It's hard being me sometimes. Not really.

[John E. Kelley]

Don't bitch. Just accept it.

[Nolder]

Can you explain how it's unsportsmanlike?

I can see the argument for it being a bad strategy.

[hazelkrs1]

Cause it's just not that classy. It's making a spectacle out of getting people to join a train, instead of using logic or more reasonable means to get them to join.

 

I understand if it's being done to get under someone's skin, because that kind of thing is a valid tactic. But I don't think that's the case most the time.

[hazelkrs1]

It's unsportsmanlike in the same way that excessive touchdown dances are hehe. It's making a mockery of the sport, of the contest.

[lolguy26]

I don't know despo, for me if someone cases and then starts the cheerleading, then whatever, but if they start saying linking people and just telling you to lynch the person, then yes I find it annoying but its not really unsportsmanlike just bad play

[hazelkrs1]

/shrug

 

I felt I would probably be in the minority on this one. Oh well.

[Nolder]

Isn't manipulating people one of the core elements of mafia? And isn't using emotions one of the best ways to do that?

[Yates]

I don't mean when you're pleading or using reason and logic in a pressured tone either, I'm more speaking of the "Everyone hop aboard! Choo choo!" type thing.

I can't help but feel like maybe this has something to do with a recent game I was in....

 

 

All aboard! Choo! Choo!

Voting

 

Yates - Des, GF, BG, Tina (4)

Des - Yates, WBK, Player, Cloud, Krak, Verbal, Tina (7)

 

With 11 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Yates, Verbal, and Cloud, Heartless Shadows, and the deceased DPR, Darkside, have corrupted the Destiny Islands and consumed the world and it's people.

Mafia win!

 

 

[ineedfourberfs]

If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.

 

If there's no rule against it...

 

I don't really get how mafia could be played 'unsportsmanlike' anyway. The whole game is a pressure cooker. Use every advantage. We've talked about this haha.

 

 

If you find the behavior scummy, vote it. If it is getting on your nerves, don't get cased so hard. If it's mafia doing it to you, and people listen, then that's just well done mafia.

[Yates]

To me, it's both slightly scummy and kinda unsportsmanlike.

I hope you are in the minority, tbh.  It's really a null tell.  Cheerleading can come from either alignment and is really more of a plea for activity and a call to read cases.  It can obviously blow up in the cheerleader's face if their wagon of choice flips Town so it's one of those 'caveat emptor' sorts of tools.  As far as it being unsportsmanlike?  It's CHEERLEADING.  Cheerleading IS a sport!  And if you think that's somehow unsportsmanlike?  Talk to Ronald Reagan, FDR, and Samuel L Jackson [ALL cheerleaders in college] about it!

 

Seriously, to your point, I don't think it's unsportsmanlike at all.  No one is going to follow a cheerleader unless there is a case for them to cheer.  If they do?  They are scum along with the cheerleader and that just makes the game easy for the Town now doesn't it?

[Yates]

I don't really get how mafia could be played 'unsportsmanlike' anyway. The whole game is a pressure cooker. Use every advantage. We've talked about this haha.

Talking about the game with your buddy over skype.

Bringing personal knowledge of a person [like images or a facebook post] into a game as a form of intimidation/character assault.

Not playing to your win condition because you get mad at a teammate.

 

Stuff like that I would say is in poor form.

[ineedfourberfs]

Well yes.

 

But that is just being a jerk. 

 

I think problem solved if you make that a rule.

 

"NO JERKS"