Kingdom Hearts Mafia - Game 1 - Destiny Islands [Mafia Win!]

[peacesells]

were you given specifics on what would happen if you were killed at night?

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

Sorry was working on my car for a bit.

 

Looks like the Verb train fell apart. For the record, hesitating to lynch a claimed miller is pretty much a lynchable offense in any game. In a game with 24hr deadlines its more than enough imo. The "oh half the day hadn't passed yet" excuse doesn't even come close to passing muster.

 

But whatevs.

 

Unvote, Vote Hallia

Hesitating to lynch a townie you might believe is no such thing. Granted, she was actually not a Miller, but Millers usually come out and claim that - I was surprised to see it and thought perhaps she could tie herself up in knots if pressured more....that way we'd have a better feeling for the lynch instead of thinking we'd be killing a townie to remove the WIFOM.

 

Think outside the box. She committed suicide by mod, so it didn't matter. But the premise behind my actions was logical - obtain as much info as possible before committing to an action that would likely have killed a townie. It was minutes since her claim - saying my reasoning doesn't "pass muster" is ludicrous.

 

FOS Des for not seeing a reasonable explanation for what it was - reasonable.

Miller=WIFOM=Lynch immediately unless its lylo

 

The premise behind your actions was fence-sittingy. Period. Lol@ fence-sitting posts being used to get info.

 

I swear, info has become such a freaking buzz word lately. "I wasn't being scummy! I was getting info!" seems to be the new knee jerk defensive reaction.

 

Fact is, this is no game to dawdle in. You can't withhold votes for fear of lynching a townie, especially not in situations where the obvious move is to vote the claimed Miller. We have to first actually show that we can even secure a lynch in the first place, so that when we start voting mafias they'll have the fear of the noose in them. You playing the caution card in such a situation stinks.

 

Also, what a lazy, lazy fos.

[Yates]

A common variation for Beloved Princess is that the Day-skipping event only occurs if the Beloved player is lynched. If the Beloved player is killed in any other way, nothing special happens. This significantly increases the chance of the Beloved role not crippling the Town.

I didn't know that was a "common variant."  I've ONLY seen the role like this.

[Hallia]

Ahh, I was beloved in darthes game and all it gave me was majority +1.

[DPR]

 

You are actually adding to the wifom and making it worse. You care to explain that?

He is actually playing a legitimate angle.  Don't think for a second you are conf Town.  Because: News Flash - you aren't.  If you aren't lynched today it will only be due to MY good graces and powers of persuasion.  Step up your game if you are Town.  If you aren't you WILL be outed.  Of this, I am 100% certain.

 

 

I'm digging your play so far - you get a tip-o-the-pirate-hat for nailing scum. I'm following your logic, and not just because it benefits me to do so, but because it benefits the Town.

 

I will warn you, though, to be a bit more careful with the leading. Oh, here, you dropped this *hands you your flute back*

[DPR]

were you given specifics on what would happen if you were killed at night?

 

I asked and got PAFOd.

[Nolder]

 

Well, if you get to the lynch max and don't die we know don't we?

 

Who are you talking to?

 

THE ONE WHO KNOCKS!

 

 

...Ooops wrong series.

[DPR]

 

A common variation for Beloved Princess is that the Day-skipping event only occurs if the Beloved player is lynched. If the Beloved player is killed in any other way, nothing special happens. This significantly increases the chance of the Beloved role not crippling the Town.

I didn't know that was a "common variant."  I've ONLY seen the role like this.

 

 

That's straight from the MS role category wiki.  I looked it up when I got the role, asked about details and got PAFO, so I don't know what variation may or may not be in play. That's all I got.

[hazelkrs1]

I still think DPR's claim is way too convenient.

 

However, had Mish flipped regular mafia instead of symp, it would have looked much worse for you imo.

 

Since Tina and Mish were the holdouts, it could be a good idea to lynch Tina next. If she flips scum, DPR is DEFINITELY mafia.

[hazelkrs1]

Notice how on the wiki itself it says how its mainly only used in role madness games? Its a huge hamper to town, not like a plain old Miller or something. Town would have to some some beefcake roles for me to believe a Princess would be justified.

[Nolder]

Voting

DPR - Dathe, Cloud, Tina, Player, GF, Hallia (6)

Hallia - Yates, Verbal, DPR, Peace, Des (5)

Darthe - Tiinker (1)

Verbal - WBK (1)

 

Not Voting: BG, Krak 
 
With 15 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline.

[hazelkrs1]

Or shows up in games built around them... I don't really know enough about the theme to know if this would apply.

[Darthe]

Let me ask something, and anyone who wants to can answer this.

 

Why do we lynch millers when they claim?  What is the purpose behind this?

 

How do you play a negative utility role?

 

Should negative utility roles want to live through the game or should they be understanding of their need for death and attempt to aid the town as best they can while recognizing this?

[DPR]

Notice how on the wiki itself it says how its mainly only used in role madness games? Its a huge hamper to town, not like a plain old Miller or something. Town would have to some some beefcake roles for me to believe a Princess would be justified.

 

Did you want an angler's hat with that role fishing? Unbelievable.

[hazelkrs1]

The latter Darthe. I mean you asked in a very leading manner, but yeah that's how you do it.

 

Kk seriously going to sleep now. Lynch Hallia.

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

Notice how on the wiki itself it says how its mainly only used in role madness games? Its a huge hamper to town, not like a plain old Miller or something. Town would have to some some beefcake roles for me to believe a Princess would be justified.

Did you want an angler's hat with that role fishing? Unbelievable.

Sigh. Once again the art of subtlety is lost upon you DPR...

[Hallia]

Its a waste, but at least I'm not a pr

[DPR]

Let me ask something, and anyone who wants to can answer this.

 

Why do we lynch millers when they claim?  What is the purpose behind this?

 

Seriously? 99% of the time, they are mafia and just false claiming Miller.

 

How do you play a negative utility role?

 

Depends on the role, but it mostly revolves how you can best benefit the Town more alive until the benefit of you being dead outweighs alive. 

 

Should negative utility roles want to live through the game or should they be understanding of their need for death and attempt to aid the town as best they can while recognizing this?

 

Again, it's a numbers thing. If they have something to contribute, they need to be alive. It is also pretty common for one to hold up a lightning rod (ahem) to electrfy the game into revealing info that will benefit the Town. After a few days, and if they've been successful in attracting trains against them, their use dwindles and they willingly go to lynch so that the town has all of that sweet, sweet info gained form the trains.

[Yates]

Miller=WIFOM=Lynch immediately unless its lylo

We know.  That's why we lynched the scum.  So, can we stop talking about this?

 

Also, some people don't think that far ahead as quickly as we do.  You are way more familiar with this player base than I am but I feel like there's a LOT of hand holding required.  *shrug*  I am quickly learning to just hold hands and draw pretty pictures instead of jumping to the "scum" conclusion.  Otherwise, half this game is scum and we are doomed!

 

I swear, info has become such a freaking buzz word lately. "I wasn't being scummy! I was getting info!" seems to be the new knee jerk defensive reaction.

Fair warning: I'm going to do this a lot.  The only way to determine the scum value of that sort of defense is to weigh the potential value of the end result.  I'm willing to ask Darthe straight out, for example, why he thinks we will "get more info" out of DPR than Hallia.  If he's convincing enough, I'll probably join him.  In my gambit, for another example, we were able to catch scum.  Hallia, Mish, and - to a far lesser extent - WBK were the only ones who made a big deal out of my gambit [in thread, anyway].  1 of those 3 has already flipped scum.  WBK has been mostly Townish and didn't press that hard so I'm ok with giving him a flyer for now.  Hallia, though, stands out as a likely partner to Mish.  In that example, you seemed to get what I was doing.  What makes your current suspicion any different?

[Hallia]

I only did because I didn't see where you said your viewing was fake. Blonde moment on my part as I said

[hazelkrs1]

Unvote, Vote DPR

 

Tired of this. DPR, your last post was all kinds of dancing around an answer, just to in the end try and make a case for living a few more days. Scummeriffic right there man.

 

Your continued existence wouldn't serve to bring in any nom mom info at all. Your continued existence would only serve to create more distraction.

 

Plus, according to the VC you're closer to lynch, so ALL ABOARD!

[hazelkrs1]

@Yates: I'm not going to argue that a DPR lynch would bring more info than a Hallia lynch. I think it would, but that's not the point. Point is DPR claimed a convenient role and is now basically begging for multiple days to stay alive. He was all willing to act the martyr at night phase saying he should have been lynched, yet continuously defends himself more than truly cases anyone else in the game.

[Nolder]

Voting

 

DPR - Dathe, Cloud, Tina, Player, GF, Hallia, Des (7)

Hallia - Yates, Verbal, DPR, Peace (4)

Darthe - Tiinker (1)

Verbal - WBK (1)

 

Not Voting: BG, Krak 
 
With 15 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline.

[Darthe]

 

 

Last Day I kept checking the game on my phone when I was out, so I wasn't as concentrated as I usually am and ended up mixing things up terribly. I confused posts between players and all my reads were way off. So yeah, in hindsight, I should've hammered DPR. Let's make up for that today.

Oh really?  Is that what happened?  Really and truly?  Or are you just bussing your scum buddy?

 

The reason I ask is because I investigate you last night and received a Guilty.  Isn't that weird???  Why would my investigation result return a guilty on you, Mish?

Boom.

 

Nailed.

 

Vote: Mish

 

 

So...you viewed her? And you're a miller? O.o

 

 

 

No, I find it odd, and I want it answered.  Is he claiming to have viewed her, leaning me towards a cop, or is he claiming miller?

 

 

From what you posted, there are two.  You said you viewed her, then you heavily hinted at being one yourself, and that's fishy.

 

 

She did say it though, and I'm ok with getting it out of the way, but that still pings to me.

 

Vote Mish

 

 

You guys are seriously screwing with my ability to efficiently scum hunt.

 

I'm actually slightly more likely to believe DPR's claim with Mish's flip.

 

What I can't understand is Hallia's "logic" pre-Mish flip.  That looked like a scum buddy unwilling to bus...

 

Vote: Hallia

 

 

 

I think you might be right.

vote peace

 

Speaking of opportunistic, hehe.

 

I'm happy to receive pressure - but you're in need of it as well.

 

Vote: Hallia

 

 

 

I got nothing to add atm.

 

Gonna go with the scum-catcher.

 

Vote Hallia

 

 

UNVOTE VOTE HALLIA

 

 

Sorry was working on my car for a bit.

 

Looks like the Verb train fell apart. For the record, hesitating to lynch a claimed miller is pretty much a lynchable offense in any game. In a game with 24hr deadlines its more than enough imo. The "oh half the day hadn't passed yet" excuse doesn't even come close to passing muster.

 

But whatevs.

 

Unvote, Vote Hallia

 

 

This is the hally train in full and its movements.  What I see here is that Hally got voted for questioning Yates (btw Yates, she has only played for about 2 months now) because she didn't catch on and got confuddled by the claims. 

 

Of the five votes on her only one made good sense and it was the initial vote by Yates.  Verbal and Hally did similar things, one by suspicion and the other through blondness, yet the push on Verb was dropped in favor of the easier lynch.

 

Thus, Peace and DPR look opportunistic to me here and I think hally is town.

[Darthe]

@Yates: I'm not going to argue that a DPR lynch would bring more info than a Hallia lynch. I think it would, but that's not the point. Point is DPR claimed a convenient role and is now basically begging for multiple days to stay alive. He was all willing to act the martyr at night phase saying he should have been lynched, yet continuously defends himself more than truly cases anyone else in the game.

 

This.  He pointed fingers at other players in the night for not hammering him when they should have (Mish and Tina) and in the day he goes back to arguing for why he should be allowed to live an unknown set of days into the future.  It's classic scum.