Underworld Mafia [Basic] - Game Over. TOWN WINS!

[hazelkrs1]

Des was the second vote on Cloud, and showed no intention of changing it on D1, that is a big town tell IMO. Yes yes, gambits bla bla bla, but it didn't feel like one to me.

 

 

Des I'm just asking because I have never seen it used or even discussed before, so no, I didn't know it was possible. And certainly not that it would be viewed as common enough to be in a vasic game, wich this game is after all.

 

Btw, while we're on the subject of roles. I don't think cop views are worth much right now. The 3 mafia who's gone down are goons, I find it hard to believe the mafia are all goons, so the odds are big that if we have one more mafia, the last remaining mafia is a godfather.

 

That's a good point.

 

As for the role thing, I didn't say a day SK was common. But it wouldn't be the craziest thing in the world for a mod to put one in a basic game. That's my point, you can't discount the possibility of a role based on a game being basic. Have we seen any roles of any kind flip yet? I don't think so. Had we seen other weirder roles flip, then yeah it would seem very unlikely. But a Day SK wouldn't be that unusual at all in a basic game.

 

That last makes sense from Mish. All the lynches did say Goon. If it was only vanilla mafia with a team NK, why specify? Interesting. 

 

 

 

And Desp last game I played in, you were paranoid of everyone too.

 

Giant fish-frying cast iron pan, meet flowery patterned brewed tea dispensary .

 

 

That being said, your plan works out. Whilst I'm not a fan of killing Turin as I think he is town, the whole kill him for info thing works. 

 

I'm not so sure we lynch him if he refuses though, not over peace, when peace could very well be preventing us from taking the win. 

 

 

 

 

And all that you said above about him, his play etc etc, as a solo win condition, wouldn't you also plan these things a bit in advance? You know you'd build town cred holstering night 1, so you do it. Not too difficult. 

 

 

 

Guess we see what the day brings. This could go on forever back and forth all night phase, so my vote is on shutting up until Turin and Peace have their... piece. 

 

 

Very interested to see if a NK comes through.

Very interested to see why Peace doesn't think we should lynch him tomorrow.

Very interested to see Turin's play.

Thinks we should vote Hallia or Pank, because if they are town, they don't deserve the victory

 

I tend to cast a wide net early on. Both by design and because a lot of people will display behavior that can be seen as antitown early in games. The difference between me and Ithi is, she'll continue being paranoid a lot later in a game even towards someone who might as well be confirmed. I've seen her do it many a time. In some ways thats good, because she'll never dismiss the possibility of a gambit or something strange. But at some point it gets a little wonky.

 

As for Peace planning stuff out in advance, once again, if Peace was trying to set stuff up for a vig claim, why stand out so much with his fence-sitting day 1? Why take the killshot on BG instead of saying he could vet his role and he'd let town decide who to kill? Peace's play this game doesn't strike me as selfish, which is how a SK would play, trying to stay alive. His play strikes me as trying to help town win.

 

And look, I could easily be wrong, and he could be a SK after all. Point is, he's NOT winning if he is. Plain and simple. The only reason I'm for lynching him tomorrow is I'm sick of us deliberating on him so much. I think an outed killer isn't much of a threat to town, and his kill could be of great use to us, whether he's vig or SK. But his continued existence is serving as a distraction, so meh might as well go for the overkill win.

[hazelkrs1]

Oh and I thought I had posted this before in response to Mish, but I never finished drafting the post from my phone.

 

'Ol Slartibartfast himself, Bill Nighy Mr. Old Creepy Vampire Dude, would be the PERFECT choice for Godfather. Ithi already pointed out how he seems good for a while in the story, only to later reveal his nefariousness.

 

Yall really think... oh lemme just look it up on imdb... Viktor wouldn't be in this game? We've seen both Marcus and William, they were expected. Kraven is also obviously a bad guy, and a good choice for a goon as he pretty much does nothing. But the main bad guy in the first movie?

 

Yeah, he's in there. And he's prob the Godfather. Oh and it's Turin btw. Mosdef. Remember this?

 

 

 

Also @ Turin.

A truly delightful post.

Someone needs to check him. Then I can stop looking over my shoulder. I'm only using the Peace vs Turin thing to question Peace's logic, lovely - don't think I won't be checking you out later 

Ooh. check me out!! *preens* 

 

 

Yeaaaah. And remember how Turin tried fos'ing Peace for being "content to let the assumption continue that mafia are still around"? And how he totally ducked my case on him?

 

Come on dayyyyyy. Time to do this to Turin (slightly NSFW):

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrVc_8vbZP8

 

 

 

Actually, you know what? Would prob be better if Peace just showed us all what was up and took care of business on his own, and did this:

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69BHu-UBls

 

 

 

[hazelkrs1]

I think I know why I've defended Peace so much since his claim (other than the fact that he took out BG).

 

Lucien is SUCH a badass. Top notch acting from that dude. Seems somewhat unassuming at first, then he ends up kicking so much butt. I heard that he ran out once, of butt to kick.

 

Oh, this game's over btw. Sorry mafiaz. Mebbeh next time.

 

[michellem]

Peace has said he can't shoot this night though, since he used a shot during daytime.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I don't think that making sure you are on two lynches that killed a Mafia proves you are Town. I think if I were Mafia I'd make damn sure I was on those Lynches. Especially if that would 'prove' I was Town.

 

Of cours Turin wasn't on the Dice lynch - although he was all for the Cloud Lynch. He is just sitting on his behind still voting for Peace - who killed someone to prove he was a Vig and luckily hit Mafia.

 

He could have hit Town. He just wanted to prove his point. You need to remember that - to save himself from a Lynch he killed someone - who just happened to be a Mafia.

 

And back to my point - Turin didn't move his vote, or say anything at all during the run up to the Lynch. I just think he would be more bothered and even active if he were mafia.

 

Oh - and leaving vig/SK alive till lylo don't really work. If there are two towns and an SK left, and then that SK has been plugging that he is a vig all game - he is going to try and convince you that the other guy is a mafia and you should lynch them if you want to win. Prob best to deal with him before we get there I think.

[peacesells]

how about lylo -1.  that work better?

[peacesells]

lylo +1 that is.

[Ithillian Turambar]

You got it wrong again then?

 

When you said it was fine to leave you till lylo?

 

Imagine that.

[Ithillian Turambar]

You got it wrong again then?

 

When you said it was fine to leave you till lylo?

 

Imagine that.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Also - speaking of vamps and stuff, I think I've been bitten by some bloody vampire instect or something. I've got a pair of bites on my neck- just behind my earlobe.

 

Stupid summer.

[peacesells]

You got it wrong again then?

 

When you said it was fine to leave you till lylo?

 

Imagine that.

 

If you want lylo +1, +2, +3..i don't care.  The point is if I'm an SK I can't win. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Which is why you are claiming Vig instead.

 

I completely understand.

[peacesells]

I'm claiming vig cause I am.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Because you are claiming it. Yes I know.

[peacesells]

lol

[ReleaseTheEvil]

He woke with a start, the dream still fresh in his mind. Too fresh. Vampires and Lycans ripping each other apart, bodies riddled with bullets, blood. Blood everywhere. But it was just a dream. As he got out of bed, the young detective could only imagine what the day had in store...

 

It is now Day 3. You have 72 hours. Deadline will be 9:50 pm BST Friday August 12th, 2013. Deadline.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Very interesting.

 

Vote Peace

[Turin Turambar]

My internet is not working worth a lick right now so I will be quick and no quoting.

 

you mentioned that I noted Peace not saying anything about Mish neglecting to mention the potential for a third party to be the last anti-town element. There had been much discussion about Peace possibly being a SK as opposed to the vig he claimed. That she didn't mention the possibility looked odd to me. Then him letting it go looked like he didn't want it discussed. All reasonable thoughts are to be considered. someone (Berf?) mentioned the possibility of  there only being 3 mafia and one SK as the anti towns. Or the possibility of there being 4 mafia and 1 SK making the total anti town. Now this is a basic setup so either could be possible.(or that Peace is telling the truth and there is only a 4th mafia left) Add in that so far every death has been either a vanilla town of a mafia goon and it might make sense for any of the three possibilities could be. I believe based on current evidence that the first is the most likely.

 

1.  a weaker mafia with a fairly powerful SK and a not very powerful town. Maybe only a cop or a doc but not both.

2. A somewhat stronger mafia with a less powerful SK and a standard town. probably both a cop and a doc

3. A somewhat stronger mafia (4 mafias, possibly including a GF or other power role) and a strong Town. this could be a cop, a doc, and a vig (perhaps the day shot is too make it more possible to have the vig shoot town since doc protection would be nullified)  

 

Like I said I think the first option is the more likely. I thought that Peace followed AJ onto BG, and I don't think anyone would deny that his primary motivation was to shoot to relieve pressure off himself. The fact that BG ended up mafia was a lucky break. I asked AJ this earlier and no one else seemed to care but what if Peace in his rush to shoot had actually shot the cop? How town would you feel about him then? He didn't really give much of an option to hear a claim. It was pretty much just I'm gonna shoot BG and Bang!!

 

Vote Peace

 

Despo, If you would be so kind as to put all your questions together for me I would appreciate it. My internet is sketchy and it is a bear digging for posts on mobile. I will answer a little later.

[hazelkrs1]

Turin, I never really put forth that many questions to you that I can recall. I did case you however, and you apparently ignored it. My case on you isn't that far back, and I reiterated some of my points against you again even more recently.

 

You just laid out two diff possibilities that both had a SK. One with a "strong" SK, one with a "weak" SK. This is kind of amateur on your part. You're REALLY trying hard to make it seem like there's a SK on the game.

 

Something you failed to mention however, is the absence so far of Viktor. He'd be in this game, of that I have no doubts. Since he is going to be in this game, I think he's our last mafioso.

 

He'd be a great pick for GF, and I think you're him.

 

Vote Turin

 

We could also lynch Peace I suppose, even tho I have a town read on him he could be the SK. Town has enough of a lead that we can risk a mislynch or two. But once Peace is gone, you know the mafia will go back to submitting a NK again.

 

In the meantime (/Spacehog'd), I'm sure about you Turin. You're mafia.

[Hallia]

Peace is town.  I know this.  I find it interesting that Berf thinks Panchi and I are scum, because I viewed Panchi last night, and she's town as well.  There's some clears for us.

 

Vote Berf

[peacesells]

I'd love to vote Turin but I'll go with Hallia on this one. 

 

VOTE BERF.

[hazelkrs1]

Meh. Wasn't Beef Vam's replacement? I was all for lynching him before.

 

Unvote, Vote Berf

 

Peace, do me a favor tho, and if Berf flips town shoot Turin.

[peacesells]

After my re-read yesterday I can see Turin as tunneling town.  Especially since Ithi is in the mix.  I could shoot him now but I was way more sure of BG than I am of Turin. 

 

All BG's pionts were mimics of Turins.  That would give Turin some town cred. 

[hazelkrs1]

And the fact that he keeps pushing an SK as the last anti town piece in the game, even tho we haven't seen Viktor flip yet? You're moderately knowledgeable of the theme aren't you? Viktor will def be in this game.

[hazelkrs1]

Also, you reminded me to respond to Ithi

 

@Ithi: Dice wasn't exactly a lynch that had been gaining steam for a while. He was a last second lynch that I helped push. If you still honestly see that as potential bussing, I don't know whether you're just being purposefully obtuse or stubborn and paranoid.

 

But you should try taking your blinders off re:Turin.