Merlin Mafia [Advanced!]- Town Wins!!!

Kaylee · June 10, 2013

I'll claim in the morning if need be.

Unvote

Hallia · June 10, 2013

The silence is interesting. I am less interested in the people who actually bothered to post cases on me. I played a little scummy, because I honestly didn't see myself getting lynched, but I wanted to play enough so that I wouldn't be night killed the first night. I'm betting scum's hiding towards the tail end, where people just hopped on.

Kaylee · June 10, 2013

The silence is interesting. I am less interested in the people who actually bothered to post cases on me. I played a little scummy, because I honestly didn't see myself getting lynched, but I wanted to play enough so that I wouldn't be night killed the first night. I'm betting scum's hiding towards the tail end, where people just hopped on.

That may be true. Definitely worth looking into.

Kaylee · June 10, 2013

Or those that have been around but not contributing.

Darthe · June 10, 2013

Need be.

Hallia · June 10, 2013

That's...a good response?

Thorum · June 10, 2013

A lot of small tidbits.

One thing I have noticed in mafia is that the more experienced players often use the "let me help by explaining mafia concepts" card to lure people (especially new players) into thinking they are town. So far you have soft defended NotBob and Thorum. You have also spent a significant amount of time "helping" town by discussing joke votes, etc, which to me only takes away from scum hunting. In my mind you are trying very hard to gain town cred with "helpful" discussions without actually scumhunting or advancing the game. unvote, vote Wombat

I've had very similar ideas. Also, as I put in my last post, in defending me he must at least assume I'm townie. Which begs the question how he could know that day one...

quote from tiink (i think)

Chill lah. People busy, game only started 2 days ago.

And that even includes a weekend. Though I'm all for lynching the inactive. Not, as Kaylee suggests, later in the game (when we will actually have some usefull info as to who would be a good lynching candidate), but now.

Krak and Tiink, why Basel ?

quote from alanna:

Firstly, unvote

alanna's tactic of making it 3-1-1-1-1-1 as opposed to 2-2-1-1-1-1 did wonders to get this game started. However, if Tiinker gets lynched and turns out town, we know who's first to look at.

The discussion about joke votes having to be taken into account cannot be taken in general, and depends on who's playing, and 'knowing' how they play. It's been too long since I last played (and about half of you I never even played with), so I cannot deduct anything from that.

However, I still hate people not voting. Hence, kaylee

This post really pings. First for Thorum setting up my lynch (i dont see why i should be lynched if tiink flips town?)

Because you made him (specifically him) stand out from the crowd. Three possibilities:

- you're mafia and he isn't and you want to get rid of him

- you didn't realize your vote made him stand out

- you didn't care your vote made him stand out.

quote from Des:

I never saw any explanation for why setting up lynches isn't scummy that was even close to satisfactory, and realistically I never will. It's just a scummy move man, period. It's a rather obvious attempt at leading the town.

Look at it from the opposite side: why would it BE scummy? Is town supposed to forget what happened after a few days?

btw, deadline is WAAY too soon :(

Rhea, very intersting post at the top of page 16. Someone suggests lynching inactive people, which you definitely are, and you reply by filling a multiquote with variations on "I agree"

Furthering upon earlier: what's the difference between noting people are "buddying up" and noting that "if a is town, we should look at b"? Why is the latter scummy and the former not?

We'll look into Hallia tomorrow.

For now, there's two people whom I'd be even happier to see lynched than Kaylee: Rhea and Wombat. So, unvote and vote Wombat

Thorum · June 10, 2013

btw, I'll be online for 8 more hours, so I'm willing to change my vote to either of these three people:

- Kaylee

- Rhea

- Wombat

lolguy26 · June 10, 2013

hmm hal claims cop, and we get 2 votes on wombat and one on kaylee

so current VC

UNOfficial Vote Count

Mish (1/11): peace
Kaylee (4/11): Womby, Player, Hallia, Tigraine
Basel (3/11): Razen, Kraka, Tiink
Thorum (1/11): Mish
Wombat (3/11): TG , NotBob, Thorum,

Hallia (6/11):Despo, Chuckles, Basel, Rhea, Darthe,

Not voting (1/20): alannalynn.

Deadline!!! Monday 20:00 EST http://www.timeandda...lin Mafia Day 1

lolguy26 · June 10, 2013

If I can believe Hallia's claim that she is the cop, then it appears at this time there is only one other lynch train which has a good chance of being completed.

Pushing the kaylee train without actually being on it

I'll claim in the morning if need be.

Unvote

soft claiming :rolleyes:

hazelkrs1 · June 10, 2013

Des

Last point of yours on inactives. It's exactly for that reason why mafia get their teammates posting

That's another reason why lynching inactives is worse the later you get in the game. They are more likely mafia

You're assuming that just because mafiosos might want their teammate to post more that they can automatically force them to do so. In absolutely EVERY game I can remember there was at least one scummie who tried lurking their way to endgame. Some are just more nervous of standing out when they're scum, so they clam up, and even when teammates criticize them for inactivity they usually say something like "Well if I post NOW, it'll look REALLY suspicious!"

And I'm not sure what you're saying with that last bit btw. You're saying the inactives are more likely mafia, or those pushing lynching inactives?

@mod: do we have a Deadline yet?

What's the hurry?

So we know when to hurry, like now for example, we have about 1 day and 8 hours or so till the time ends

Vote Hallia

So we can have 2 competing trains with the same number of votes and i like the points despo made regarding her

What an utterly scumtastic sentence. Either you're voting cause of competing trains, or cause you think she's scummy. The fact that you try and pass off both makes it obvious you just want to make sure everyone sees that your vote is justified. Not to mention trying to make it seem like you're just following my lead.

With us being this close to a lynch looks like you would remember to unvote Darthe.

Why would the presence of an impending deadline have ANY effect on Darthe's memory?

Deadline is in less than 20 hours and Hallia is the closest we have to a lynch so vote hallia

For all the people votin for Hallia because she was seen as buddying, I see an awful lot of it from others as well.

Don't just throw out something generic like that. Who else have you seen buddying from? Who did they buddy to, and how? And why would you defend Hallia in the same post that you vote her? Giant FOS.

So Hallia claims Cop. Her explanation of trying to act scummy to avoid the NK sorta makes sense, but if that was the case she def botched it with te OMGUS vote. Either way the only way that I'll end up truly trusting her is if she can produce some investigation results that lead us to scum.

Unvote.

hazelkrs1 · June 10, 2013

quote from Des:

I never saw any explanation for why setting up lynches isn't scummy that was even close to satisfactory, and realistically I never will. It's just a scummy move man, period. It's a rather obvious attempt at leading the town.

Look at it from the opposite side: why would it BE scummy? Is town supposed to forget what happened after a few days?

*facepalm*

Dude, someone already explained this. Setting up lynches is uberscummy because it's manipulative of the town. Look at it this way. Say you got Mafioso A that sees Townie X case Townie Y. Mafioso A then coattails onto Townie X's case, and says that if Townie Y flips town, Townie X should be looked at. He knows Townie Y will flip town, so he has breadcrumbed a reason to vote Townie X the next day, and can make it seem like he's actually scumhunting. If he succeeds in getting Townie X lynched, then he'll have gotten two townies lynched in a row, in addition to NK's.

I honestly don't know how much clearer I can make it. The thing is, town starts out every game blind. So if someone thinks someone else is scum and ends up being wrong, it doesn't necessarily make them scum, they could just be wrong. You can look at the case they laid out and see if it seems trumped up, but just saying "I'm gonna follow Player X's hunch, but if they're wrong about Player Y, then I'm suspicious of them" is just stupid.

And of course town isn't supposed to forget what happens as the game goes on, but setting up a lynch for the next day before A) you have a coroner report on the person lynched B) the results of any NA info or NK coroner reports or C) any other new slips or scumtells from anyone else; is once again really dumb. Focus on the day you're in, after info is revealed you may feel completely different about someone the next day.

Furthering upon earlier: what's the difference between noting people are "buddying up" and noting that "if a is town, we should look at b"? Why is the latter scummy and the former not?

Maybe cause they're literally about as different as two things can be. One is noting a possible scumtell, or a possible connection between other players, and the other is setting up lynches, which is scummy.

hazelkrs1 · June 10, 2013

Format got messed up, the first sentence after the quote was still part of Thorum's post.

hazelkrs1 · June 10, 2013

hmm hal claims cop, and we get 2 votes on wombat and one on kaylee

so current VC

UNOfficial Vote Count

Mish (1/11): peace

Kaylee (4/11): Womby, Player, Hallia, Tigraine

Basel (3/11): Razen, Kraka, Tiink

Thorum (1/11): Mish

Wombat (3/11): TG , NotBob, Thorum,

Hallia (6/11):Despo, Chuckles, Basel, Rhea, Darthe,

Not voting (1/20): alannalynn.

Deadline!!! Monday 20:00 EST http://www.timeandda...lin Mafia Day 1

If I can believe Hallia's claim that she is the cop, then it appears at this time there is only one other lynch train which has a good chance of being completed.

Pushing the kaylee train without actually being on it

I'll claim in the morning if need be.

Unvote

soft claiming

Good lord this guys is scum.

Vote Chuckles

You keep trying to act like the helpful townie, asking the mod for a deadline, posting unofficial VC's, and that last post is just ewww. How in the world is what Kaylee said soft-claiming? I see literally no hint of any kind of a claim in there.

I really think some people are struggling with the concept of soft-claiming lately. Someone said Hallia's cryptic post before her reveal was soft-claiming, that wasn't either. Soft-claiming is hinting at or partially revealing a role; saying or implying that they're town is NOT a soft claim because pretty much EVERYONE would claim they were town.

hazelkrs1 · June 10, 2013

My other scum reads atm are Tigs (has had a few fence-sitting type posts), Kaylee (not off the hook yet), and Razen (he's ignoring any casing or fos's on him, seems to hope that if he doesn't respond others will forget).

Could vote any of them, but right now Chuckles looks like clear scum to me. Don't have much time people, string him up.

lolguy26 · June 10, 2013

hmm hal claims cop, and we get 2 votes on wombat and one on kaylee

so current VC

UNOfficial Vote Count

Mish (1/11): peace

Kaylee (4/11): Womby, Player, Hallia, Tigraine

Basel (3/11): Razen, Kraka, Tiink

Thorum (1/11): Mish

Wombat (3/11): TG , NotBob, Thorum,

Hallia (6/11):Despo, Chuckles, Basel, Rhea, Darthe,

Not voting (1/20): alannalynn.

Deadline!!! Monday 20:00 EST http://www.timeandda...lin Mafia Day 1

If I can believe Hallia's claim that she is the cop, then it appears at this time there is only one other lynch train which has a good chance of being completed.

Pushing the kaylee train without actually being on it

I'll claim in the morning if need be.

Unvote

soft claiming

Good lord this guys is scum.

Vote Chuckles

You keep trying to act like the helpful townie, asking the mod for a deadline, posting unofficial VC's, and that last post is just ewww. How in the world is what Kaylee said soft-claiming? I see literally no hint of any kind of a claim in there.

I really think some people are struggling with the concept of soft-claiming lately. Someone said Hallia's cryptic post before her reveal was soft-claiming, that wasn't either. Soft-claiming is hinting at or partially revealing a role; saying or implying that they're town is NOT a soft claim because pretty much EVERYONE would claim they were town.

i am being helpful not trying

lolguy26 · June 10, 2013

@despo: when says ill claim in the morning, what does that imply?

hazelkrs1 · June 10, 2013

i am being helpful not trying

Okay. Why don't you help me fit this noose round your neck?

@despo: when says ill claim in the morning, what does that imply?

Um.... that she'll claim in the morning.

:huh:

It's not hinting at any type of role or anything like that. It's saying, if she draws heat again and needs to, she'll claim in the morning apparently. Do I like that play? No. If she's town she probably should have claimed then, since she's the next leading train and the deadline is almost upon us. Doesn't necessarily mean she's scummy tho.

Either way what she did isn't soft-claiming

lolguy26 · June 10, 2013

:rolleyes:

dude, when she claims, that will leave us with almost no time to start another train or something,

hazelkrs1 · June 10, 2013

dude, when she claims, that will leave us with almost no time to start another train or something,

I agree, which is why I added that I didn't like that she didn't claim when she did.

Still doesn't make it a soft-claim, and still doesn't make you town.

lolguy26 · June 10, 2013

so your saying because im being nice and helpful that makes me scum?

hazelkrs1 · June 10, 2013

I'm saying that you trying to look nice and helpful is PART of the reason that you look scummeriffic.

lolguy26 · June 10, 2013

whats the rest of the reason im so scumtastic??

Tiinker · June 10, 2013

whats the rest of the reason im so scumtastic??

Partly that you're not really doing anything.

lolguy26 · June 10, 2013

whats the rest of the reason im so scumtastic??

Partly that you're not really doing anything.

hey you cant blame me, everytime i post something im "trying too look like helpful"

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