Unvoting

[WWWwombat]

That's called being understanding of errors, not removing formatting.

[Tyler Glembo]

Right, but given the focus of this thread that might not be called "understanding of errors" but rather "removing a viable scum strategy." It is a gray area we face as moderators.

 

So, let me amend my stance. Voting should have some formatting associated with it, IMO, whether it be bold, red, or on it's own line. But if it looks like you are clearly trying to vote I think it should be counted as such.

[LilyElizabeth]

I like that so many people have chimed in here. I'm very picky about which games I play in and it helps to know where mods stand on certain important (to me) issues. 

[WWWwombat]

Yeah, I already said that I don't like that strategy so I don't really care if it disappears.

[WWWwombat]

I don't think I'd stop requiring unvotes though. I like the syntax and it also helps me get my vote counts right.

[Red2111]

votes need to be unvoted before you can vote again.  period and end of story.  thats what this thread is about.

 

 

i can see allowing people to "fake" unvote. but as a mod, imo you should only count a vote in your offical vote count after the player has offically unvoted (ie: at the least, bolded the unvote to make it stand out).  you shoudl also not make a habit, as a mod,. poitning out when a player forgets to unvote.  if they legitamently forgot, then they'll speak up.  if it was a tactic, they wont.  

 

 

with DPR, the issue is that Wes is color blinded TGI, not that he had different rules for the formatting.  we still had to bold our votes & unvotes and make it obvious they were votes/unvotes.

[Tyler Glembo]

  On 6/10/2013 at 2:08 PM, Red2111 said:

votes need to be unvoted before you can vote again.  period and end of story.  thats what this thread is about.

 

 

i can see allowing people to "fake" unvote. but as a mod, imo you should only count a vote in your offical vote count after the player has offically unvoted (ie: at the least, bolded the unvote to make it stand out).  you shoudl also not make a habit, as a mod,. poitning out when a player forgets to unvote.  if they legitamently forgot, then they'll speak up.  if it was a tactic, they wont.  

 

 

with DPR, the issue is that Wes is color blinded TGI, not that he had different rules for the formatting.  we still had to bold our votes & unvotes and make it obvious they were votes/unvotes.

 

We are having a discussion about unvoting, with multiple viewpoints about it along with reasons behind doing so.  Why the blanket statement of "this is right and anybody who doesn't agree is just wrong" in a thread that is meant for discussion?

[bgrishinko]

That's how Red gives her opinions.

[WWWwombat]

  On 6/10/2013 at 3:23 PM, bgrishinko said:

That's how Red gives her opinions.

 

It is known.

[Darthe]

I definitely feel that votes should be distinguished somehow and here the most established is this.  However, the need for an unvote is debatable imo and I prefer not to sweat if someone accidentally does [b this [/b] by accident etc.  Imo, the only voting strategy that is valid and missing from this site is psuedo voting, mostly for lylo or to field items in a game that may not be of lynch importance.

[Verbal32]

  On 6/12/2013 at 12:49 AM, Darthe said:

I definitely feel that votes should be distinguished somehow and here the most established is this.  However, the need for an unvote is debatable imo and I prefer not to sweat if someone accidentally does [b this [/b] by accident etc.  Imo, the only voting strategy that is valid and missing from this site is psuedo voting, mostly for lylo or to field items in a game that may not be of lynch importance.

 

Can you explain what you mean?

[Darthe]

Certainly.  In a lylo situation voting for someone you think is mafia carries much inherent WIFOM.  From your end if the person isn't hammered they could be mafia.  Or the mafia could just not have arrived yet or be unable and coordinate effectively.  From the others perspectives they likely aren't aware of your alignment and things become muddled etc.  We all know this situation.

 

Psuedo voting would be something along the lines of an unofficial vote that is carried and kept by members of the town, proposed by a member when they felt it was necessary and then kept up by them.  Thus they would request that people vote in blue for lylo to see where the votes will lie because a blue vote is not an official vote so long as the "vote bold and red" rule is implemented and standard (which it should be).  

 

Another example of where this is useful is when someone claims vigilante and nobody trusts them.  You don't want to lose that potential power, but you need a way to keep track of who thinks it should go where and the town wants to control it.  Thus, with a psuedo vote (in blue or purple or something) you can count how many people want another person vigged.  Once it hits majority the vig shoots that person, hammer style.  It also removes accountability from the one doing the killing however, so that should be kept in mind.

[bgrishinko]

Hence having the official Red Bold vote being important.

[peacesells]

Has that tool been used here before?  I've never seen it.

[WWWwombat]

I've seen people pseudovote for vig shots before. Not for lynches though.

[Verbal32]

  On 6/12/2013 at 4:00 PM, Darthe said:

Certainly.  In a lylo situation voting for someone you think is mafia carries much inherent WIFOM.  From your end if the person isn't hammered they could be mafia.  Or the mafia could just not have arrived yet or be unable and coordinate effectively.  From the others perspectives they likely aren't aware of your alignment and things become muddled etc.  We all know this situation.

 

Psuedo voting would be something along the lines of an unofficial vote that is carried and kept by members of the town, proposed by a member when they felt it was necessary and then kept up by them.  Thus they would request that people vote in blue for lylo to see where the votes will lie because a blue vote is not an official vote so long as the "vote bold and red" rule is implemented and standard (which it should be).  

 

Another example of where this is useful is when someone claims vigilante and nobody trusts them.  You don't want to lose that potential power, but you need a way to keep track of who thinks it should go where and the town wants to control it.  Thus, with a psuedo vote (in blue or purple or something) you can count how many people want another person vigged.  Once it hits majority the vig shoots that person, hammer style.  It also removes accountability from the one doing the killing however, so that should be kept in mind.

 

Gotcha.

 

Then just make it obviously different.  I'm not implementing rules that would be slightly different from game to game depending on setups.

 

Listen, folks.  The mod makes the rules.  If I mod, votes need to be bolded.  You want to color?  Have a blast.  If I see a bolded vote, I'm counting it.  If you want to label it a vote for a vig shot, then I obviously won't count that towards a lynch vote.  Just don't bold it so I don't make a mistake.

 

I don't understand why we are trying to make this more complicated than it is.  Mod sets the rules - follow them.  Want to add something into it to track information - awesome, just don't go against any of the mod's rules.  Simple.

[csarmi]

What's the idea behind requiring to unvote by the way? How is that helpful for anyone?

[LilyElizabeth]

Because it's an old mafia strategy to pretend to vote (or hammer) by not unvoting first, then claiming you didn't realize. It's been used many a time to save a teammate from a lynch. 

[WWWwombat]

  On 6/13/2013 at 4:51 PM, csarmi said:

What's the idea behind requiring to unvote by the way? How is that helpful for anyone?

It helps the mod imo by reminding them to remove the previous vote. A lot of times when people don't unvote I accidentally forget to do that.

[csarmi]

I see. I think it would be even nicer if people were required to name the player they're unvoting too:

 

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unvote Wombat, vote Lily

 

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