The Hunger Games Mafia [Advanced] Game over! Town and TG wins!

Mrs. Cindy Gill · May 6, 2013

@cloud

what do I think is pinging from GF's posts?

Well I found Hallia's sudden defense of Darthe somewhat remarkable. Not Sure. Going at thing moment Vote Hallia.

not this first to mention it, but.... Halls wasnt the only, or loudest person "defending" Darthe. certainly not the most aggressive.... RTE might have been the not aggressive but he's been like tht all game. maybe he always is, not sure, don't recall seeing hat before but dunno.

anyway, GF votes hally for her defense of Darthe, nbd, it's early, votes are based on less.

Sorry, my laptop malfunctioned. Something about the dvd driver half reading a movie disc, far north as it happens, half way, not a boot disk but anyway the computer got screwed. Seems unlikely to jam the whole laptop, but so has happened. I so appealingly spent half of today to try to fix it, somehow to get windows started, finally to call an it expert friend of mine who neither could tell what to do, save, what I came here at the Uni computers to look up where I'll take it for maintenance tomorrow. As I recall the busses back start going in 2 hours or so, so I could look at the game, that is if I'm no too pissed off about it to even think about it. In any case, I'll, without the laptop, try to get back here to the Uni computers tommorrow afore the deadline.

took some time to explain his absence in his next post. no comment on the discussion or the game which largely centered on darthe, csarmi, and then tiinks reactions to the whole thing. maybe he wasnt able to read it, maybe he was too annoyed with computer problems, dunno.

but his next post after the VC drops his vote :

Hey, misheru, you surely did not recall my vote on Hallia!

assuming had time to catch up at this point and absorb what was being said, by whom.... and makes sure it's noted his vote hasn't changed.

not a major ping, just... odd.

in rereading to find that I'm seeing odder things so.... I'll keep reading.

and in the meantime [color="red"unvote[/color]

Mrs. Cindy Gill · May 6, 2013

coding fail, too early for coding :(

unvote

Basel Gill · May 6, 2013

I hate the last sentence of this post. Inferring two people are chatting on a QT is linking in a very obvious way, and doesn't really help in any way. It gets thrown around too much, I think.

I'm going to vote RTE, I think he needs to either cool off, or try to explain his reasoning a bit better.

(snip)

This just irks me. However, I am quite satisfied to vote Tiinker if we get closer to the dealine, his play hasn't been good at all.

So, let's see... you say that you are going to vote RTE, but you don't actually do so... then you say that you are satisfied to vote Tiink, whose play hasn't been good, while you are doing the same thing that Tiink is?

Tiinker · May 6, 2013

Putting my response in a different post in hopes it's easier to understand.

Ok the black and underlined: Is there someone else you're looking at? So far it seems that you're focused on Darthe but your post talks about securing a lynch on someone else.

Focused on Darthe? I've stated the same opinion over and over and it isn't even in reference to his play, just his reveal. Everyone's focused on me, so hopefully tomorrow you'll be able to see what's what since I'll likely get lynched today.

Are you afraid of finding me backtracking later? I honestly don't get why you guys are so adamant on getting a vote when how I feel is perfectly clear..

I don't care if you voted or not. I get holding a vote. But your excuses were weak and gave you tons of wiggle room. The whole thing seems like you are trying to nudge others on to Darthe without committing your self.

Without committing?? My opinion was pretty straight and clear. He's not necessarily scummy to me yet but his lynch would be an acceptable one. Why? Because according to him it'd be a vanilla or a mafia. If he's a power role I'm counting on him revealing that before he get's lynched, wouldn't you?? I'm not advocating his lynch, and I'm not pushing for it. YET. Because we still have time to look for a better candidate. If you understand that and yet want to lynch me anyway then so be it.

You call that committing I call it fence sitting. It doesnt matter how straight or clear you think your opinion is when you dont back it up with a vote, something that everyone can see because its bright red and bolded.

Misunderstanding. When Dap said PR I thought he meant mod told, not power role. My bad, I was just trying to reply quickly because it was late and I had something to do. I said that Darthe has said he's a vanilla. If it comes down to it and we're not able to safely lynch anyone then I'd rather vote him because he hasn't done much to prove he's town which is why I'm comfortable with the risk of lynching either vanilla or mafia. If he's got a power role and doesn't reveal when his head is on the chopping block then why would I take credit for that? He should've revealed then.

I dont buy this. To me this sounds like a scrape to get by when he was caught in contradictions.

Vote Tiink

Probably the most BS reasoning for voting me yet. It's like you're doing your best to miss the point. What's our chances of catching scum on Day 1? If we've got nothing by the end of the day, lynching Darthe would be the most logical conclusion. He's not confirmed in any way, and claims vanilla. We won't lose a power role and we could net a scum at the risk of losing a roleless town. Not a bad risk is it if we're not going to get anything else to go off?

Yes, you're totally right I got caught up in my own contradictions.

"I didn't consider him having a PR because I've never played a game where anyone has ever had to announce upfront D1 that they're a vanilla town. If that's the case and we lynch him then shit, TIL

That's what I replied to dap. "anyone has ever had to announce upfront D1 that they're a vanilla town." How on earth does that refer to power roles and not post restrictions?

Like I said, the most BS reasoning for voting me yet.

Len, replying to Tiink:

You call that committing I call it fence sitting. It doesnt matter how straight or clear you think your opinion is when you dont back it up with a vote, something that everyone can see because its bright red and bolded.
This. Pretty much what I have been thinking since I voted him.

See above. It's not that I'm waiting for everyone to vote for him and then happily sneak on the lynch train, though I get why you'd see it that way if we hadn't been discussing it for the past several pages. It's like you refuse to see the opposite side of the argument and just cement on one opinion.

lol?

no, not joking, asking about two consecutive posts, one saying you're counting on him to reveal before he gets lynched if he's a power role, and the next saying you never considered him to be a power role. that's a bit of a contradiction.

the rest makes sense to me, sorry if its silly to you.

if you think he's vanilla .... don't know why you'd want to lynch him, particularly. maybe not a big deal but... if you think he's mafia OK, I still don't see a real reason to think that particularly but D1 so... maybe you just want the WIFOM to go away?

if you think he may be a PR though... which one of your posts concedes and the subsequent one denies... you want to push him to reveal? as he's claimed vanilla and given as one of his reasons that it locks him into that claim and doesn't give him room to make any other believable claim... may or may not be the case, I've seen ppl change claims but...

anyway, something doesn't make sense to me there.

lol?

trying to format this, not playing with code anymore, I can't get the quotes right, I'll italicize what I just typed.

I also agree with Cindy here. Tiink has been very contradicting so far and seems to be flailing around right now. It looks to me like he is making mistakes and is trying his best to cover them up, but it isn't really working.

Hidden triggers, that makes things very interesting - anyone played anything like this before?

I'm sure we're all making an effort to make our posts and quotes clear, might slow down the game a little but we just have to pay a bit more attention when reading I suppose.

I don't like the possibilty of leaving Darthe in the lead to be lynched close to deadline, then he reveals something else, no lynch on Darthe, no lynch on anyone else either cos we are all focusing on this one interaction, and we loose two town to a random instead (if I was reading that mod post right).

Like Hallia already mentioned, we also had hidden triggers in the Indiana Jones game. I'm guessing that they will work in a similar way as in the previous game?

Without committing?? My opinion was pretty straight and clear. He's not necessarily scummy to me yet but his lynch would be an acceptable one. Why? Because according to him it'd be a vanilla or a mafia. If he's a power role I'm counting on him revealing that before he get's lynched, wouldn't you?? I'm not advocating his lynch, and I'm not pushing for it. YET. Because we still have time to look for a better candidate. If you understand that and yet want to lynch me anyway then so be it.

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I didn't consider him having a PR because I've never played a game where anyone has ever had to announce upfront D1 that they're a vanilla town. If that's the case and we lynch him then shit, TIL

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are the bold self contradictory?

and... you're pushing for a reveal on someone you think has a PR or calling his bluff assuming he's lying and is mafia or going with the policy lynch?

I was following for a while, I missed something, sorry.

Lol?

lol?

no, not joking, asking about two consecutive posts, one saying you're counting on him to reveal before he gets lynched if he's a power role, and the next saying you never considered him to be a power role. that's a bit of a contradiction.

the rest makes sense to me, sorry if its silly to you.

if you think he's vanilla .... don't know why you'd want to lynch him, particularly. maybe not a big deal but... if you think he's mafia OK, I still don't see a real reason to think that particularly but D1 so... maybe you just want the WIFOM to go away?

if you think he may be a PR though... which one of your posts concedes and the subsequent one denies... you want to push him to reveal? as he's claimed vanilla and given as one of his reasons that it locks him into that claim and doesn't give him room to make any other believable claim... may or may not be the case, I've seen ppl change claims but...

anyway, something doesn't make sense to me there.

lol?

trying to format this, not playing with code anymore, I can't get the quotes right, I'll italicize what I just typed.

Misunderstanding. When Dap said PR I thought he meant mod told, not power role. My bad, I was just trying to reply quickly because it was late and I had something to do. I said that Darthe has said he's a vanilla. If it comes down to it and we're not able to safely lynch anyone then I'd rather vote him because he hasn't done much to prove he's town which is why I'm comfortable with the risk of lynching either vanilla or mafia. If he's got a power role and doesn't reveal when his head is on the chopping block then why would I take credit for that? He should've revealed then.

Your misunderstanding of the term PR aside, you are saying that Darthe hasn't done much to prove he's town. He has given plenty of good reasons why he revealed so early, and they convinced me that he actually made a good move instead of a bad one. He has kickstarted the game with his reveal alone. Like I asked in my previous post, if Darthe was about to get lynched , and he would claim a PR saying that he was fake claiming Vanilla for whatever reason would you believe him then? If you would believe him then, then I see no reason why you have a vote on him right now. The bolded: You should take credit for it because you have been pushing for a possible secondary reveal, using it as a reason in your vote against him, but I only see it as you trying to get him lynched. I don't suppose you can back of now though.

Vote Tiinker, I have the best scum read on him so far.

Please point out my other contradictions. Where does your scum read come from exactly? That you think my opinion wouldn't change if someone fake claiming vanilla claimed another role is telling of your own ideas. To your bolded - I do NOT have a vote on him. He has kickstarted the game to what value? Anyone could have started the game flowing why would that make them more town? Your scum reads are pretty damn null.

Vote Lenlo

BS is BS.

John E. Kelley · May 6, 2013

Vote Csarmi.

michellem · May 6, 2013

Vote count:

GF (1): Chuckles

Chuckles (1): Hallia

Dap (2): TG, Tina

Darthe (1): Csarmi

Tiink (7): RTE, Basel, Peace, Rhea, Darthe, Len, Cloud

Csarmi (2): Kronos, Ishy

Len (1) Tiink

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Not voting: Vam, Kaylee, Via, Dap, GF, BG, Rhea.

Deadline Monday midnight GMT+1 http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130506T2359&p0=1375&msg=Hunger+Games+Day+1+ends

I'll be away for a couple of hours, will do VCs again as soon as I come home :)

dapianoplay3r · May 6, 2013

Sorry im doing a report due tomorrow so im not around tonight

i dont like the Tiink train

Vote Csarmi

lolguy26 · May 6, 2013

whats the case on CS?

csarmi · May 6, 2013

Can someone summarize why we're lynching Tiinker?

csarmi · May 6, 2013

whats the case on CS?

I don't know. I've got my first vote cause my vote is apparently not good for town. The other two got no explanation.

bgrishinko · May 6, 2013

Can someone summarize why we're lynching Tiinker?

I was wondering the same thing.

WolfbrotherKronos · May 6, 2013

whats the case on CS?

I voted him because his logic leans towards Darthe being vanilla town. He's voting for someone who is more than likely a townie.

Tiinker · May 6, 2013

whats the case on CS?

I voted him because his logic leans towards Darthe being vanilla town. He's voting for someone who is more than likely a townie.

What on earth are you talking about mate?

lolguy26 · May 6, 2013

Yeah that logic is faulty as hell, and I remember mentioning it too, and the tinker train has picked up steam too fast already 7 votes!

vote CS

lolguy26 · May 6, 2013

whats the case on CS?
I voted him because his logic leans towards Darthe being vanilla town. He's voting for someone who is more than likely a townie.

What on earth are you talking about mate?

He said he'd policy lynch all vanilla's

Tiinker · May 6, 2013

whats the case on CS?
I voted him because his logic leans towards Darthe being vanilla town. He's voting for someone who is more than likely a townie.
What on earth are you talking about mate?

He said he'd policy lynch all vanilla's

By he to you mean me? and by me you mean NO

Tiinker · May 6, 2013

do*

WolfbrotherKronos · May 6, 2013

CS dude let me ask you this, why would scum bring attention to themselves this early in the game?

That's a valid question. I don't know. Why not?

Darthe can be:

- vanilla townie, in which case bringing attention to himself is very good, cause he might draw an NK. Except that his claim (which scum will likely believe) defeats that purpose.

- power role townie: in which case he's playing a Wine game (but why bring attention?)

- scum: but again, why bring attention?

I read this and to me it says by his own logic that Darthe is more likely to be vanilla town - yet he willingly votes a townie. That's what I meant Tiink

lolguy26 · May 6, 2013

No as in CSdude

Mrs. Cindy Gill · May 6, 2013

CS dude let me ask you this, why would scum bring attention to themselves this early in the game?

That's a valid question. I don't know. Why not?

Darthe can be:

- vanilla townie, in which case bringing attention to himself is very good, cause he might draw an NK. Except that his claim (which scum will likely believe) defeats that purpose.

- power role townie: in which case he's playing a Wine game (but why bring attention?)

- scum: but again, why bring attention?

whats the case on CS?

I voted him because his logic leans towards Darthe being vanilla town. He's voting for someone who is more than likely a townie.

What on earth are you talking about mate?

I'm not sure but I think that quote of CS seems to indicate he finds problems with possibilities of mafia or PR calling attention that way.... though as noted, not necessarily true, it's what he says, and thinks or says he thinks logic of claiming as actual vanilla might be very good and draw and NK though is pointless.

so apparently thinking D likely vanilla, votes him anyway. also says policy lynching vanilla claims is good.

rereading, this causes dap to call him insane.

interesting interactions after that... wish I had time to go through them. will try.

Mrs. Cindy Gill · May 6, 2013

damn ninjas I give up

Tiinker · May 6, 2013

Disregard me completely I thought we were talking about me because of CS and BGs posts cuz i'm an egoistic twat. Sorry!

peacesells · May 6, 2013

Can someone summarize why we're lynching Tiinker?

There's been multiple posts on this subject. How are you unsure of the reasoning at this point?

Mrs. Cindy Gill · May 6, 2013

Can someone summarize why we're lynching Tiinker?

I was wondering the same thing.

what else are you thinking?

just reread, and... not a lot there from you, though I'm sure you're thinking ... something?

oh and apology ahead of time for the mess of quotes to follow, just something started bugging me on reread and.... not gonna edit them down, can't from work and wont want to spin them in case someone sees something I don't. so... sorry, too many words to follow.

Mrs. Cindy Gill · May 6, 2013

Don't care. I consider it preemptive.

Do you have a reason for me to not claim? I can only think of one that could hold up here.

following peace calling D out for grumpiness.... LOL... D asks for a reason he shouldn't have claimed

Don't care. I consider it preemptive.

Do you have a reason for me to not claim? I can only think of one that could hold up here.

Yeah..claiming vanilla early narrows the pool of targets for scum trying to knock off power roles. It's bad play.

That's the only negative I can consider either. Also Csarmi you can gfy

peace responds cause it narrows the pool for maf looking to off PRs, think that's the first time it's mentioned...

Ignore Darthe, he's trying a new meta and will shoot himself in the foot (if this isn't considered that already)

Csarmi, policy lynching vanillas? Are you insane

daps next post... no issue with peace or Ds mention of PRs.

I realize that can be read a few ways, and is somewhat subliminal but.. it puts it out there in case anyone missed the possibility... daps not fussed about it.

The Hunger Games Mafia [Advanced] Game over! Town and TG wins!

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