[Advanced] The Dresden Files Mafia - Game Over - Ed loses, Verbal wins

[Pac]

Might still need another replacement if you're interested

 

I may take you up on that chief.  I could use a couple chuckles and my scum hunting skills are unparralleled. 

[Hybrid]

 

Anyone else think that Ape and Csarmi are sitting in the QT laughing their asses off? I smell a gambit.

 

This is a scummy post, if Cspazz flips scum it's like you are lining up a lynch on me. Very, very scummy.

 

^ This.  Ish's vote is still on Nolder but he's nudging along the csarmi train here.

[John E. Kelley]

I guess no one noticed the tongue-in-cheek tone that I typed that in.

[ed2funy]

I guess no one accepts your lies. 

[Darthe]

I'm suddenly being mentioned a lot I see.  

 

Would anyone mind bringing up why Booboo?  

 

I've noted votes there but not much casework.

[Nolder]

Would anyone mind bringing up why Booboo?

It's not like they're leaving the "why" out of their posts. Are you following the game?

[dapianoplay3r]

**** you DM

It ate my post

 

Summary Nol is talking BS about easy targets and used it as an excuse to lurk and not be around D1

 

I had called Crusher out for his Csarmi vote but I see now that he did take it back cos it was due to another game not this one. Talking about other games isn't cool btw

 

Csarmi, drunk mafia has its place, I think it was an honest mistake.

 

 

I'm positive Dragonmount has no rule pertaining to mafia games other than the usual stuff about no cursing, listening to site moderators, etc.

 

What you are referring to is the mafia rule that you shouldn't talk about (a game you are in) outside that game without permission.

Now if you want to talk about common sense, well common sense tells me you're being picky. It was an accident. Crusher isn't used to playing on a site that has multiple games going at once and he was also drunk I guess. There isn't any need to harp on it.

 

But if you're going to continue I'll remind you of another rule: 1. I am the Lord thy mod. What I say goes. Same with Quibby. As far as you're concerned, Quibby is god. And I'm the consultant who hired god. (please, someone get that reference)

If it is really a big deal to you PM John and I'm sure he'll address the issue.

  

That

As a player in both games I think it was a mistake. I had planned to call him out on his vote on you in this game cos I thought he was letting another game cloud his judgment and talking about other games wasn't cool, but it wasn't the end of the world

 

Wait I thought the point of the game was to be picky?

About game related things, and slips, and tells. Not accidentally posting in the wrong game and getting mad at it

  

unvote Vote John McClane

I warned you. I won't tolerate that kind of disrespect. I won't stop until you're dead.

 

For using the wrong name. This bugs me, on a personal level.

It wasn't meant as disrespect to start with and then it was only playful and humorous. It's just a name you picked on a website

If that's enough for you to blindly lynch someone tell me why you deserve the respect to make the effort to type your name correctly?

 

 

 

unvote Vote John McClane

I warned you. I won't tolerate that kind of disrespect. I won't stop until you're dead.

 

LOL, eff you and your warning. I routinely botch up people's names here on DM to riff on the whole middle earth thing, and in mafia in general. It's part of the whole being social thing. Everyone else I've ever encountered gets it. Everyone. Else.

 

Okay, so as to not let this completely derail from the game, out of respect for Snowblower and the Quibbles, for their mod efforst. As of right now, you are exhibiting the most anti-town position.

 

1. you tried to leverage rules into a modkill on Crusher

2. you are dead set on killing me fo' respect yo, not for a case of any sort

 

Who here has played with this guy? Is he always this dense? Or is he masking anti-town agenda with false pride?

I feel like if he was mafia this tactic is so heading so far below the belt his teammates would be toning him down

If they aren't they really should be

But it's not helpful play

 

Not at all

 

So I'm derailing scum hunting. That's rich. This is day one for crying out loud, we have no lead to go on.

As for non-game related stuff: I don't find throwing personal (non-game related) insults very constructive. That I don't want to play someone who disrespects people and keeps spamming insults might just be understandable game-play wise. As for Crusher's drunkvoting, I like games fair that's all.

  

Lets take this step by step shall we

Yes you are derailing the hunting. Day one is just an excuse for those who don't hunt well not to be really looking. You can find mafia on day one.

So yea day one can have leads

As for the personal insults. They weren't that personal dude, you just took them personally and made them into a big deal.

Also you are the only person that seems to have a problem with him, only after you started this whole thing did he go a bit far IMO (I don't condone that, it was petty of him) but if he had said those things to me I wouldn't of been offended by it to be honest.

Lastly. If you don't think the game is fair, talk to the MODs. Don't talk about it on thread, that looks like you are trying to use it as a case rather than it being a real thing. It detracts from your case of it not being fair if you truly think that

 

I am playing the game. Just on a higher level than you seem aware of.

 

I don't give a flying fart about your butthurt or ego, the game is the game. I respect the rules, always, but also respect the moderators to enforce them. We don't need some in-game ass-kisser trying to get people modkilled by pointing out every minor rule infraction. Most moderators let innocent shit slide, because modkilling should be a last resort, as they've taken time to design the game a certain way and mod intervention immediately shifts balance.

 

I'd rather two players with personal issues got replaced than one getting mod killed

I supposed you'll probably say you weren't trying to get him modkilled, then what were you trying to do? Paint him as scummy for breaking rules? How do those rules he OH SO FRAGRANTLY broke align to a scum agenda? They don't. So what was the point of you bringing them up? Let the mods do their job, all you did was derail the damn game. Which DOES align to a scum agenda, keep the horde focused on anything other than scum hunting.

 

I'd say he was trying to get him lynched or get him replaced. Either way it looks like the purpose was to remove a specific player.

Whether or not it was for game related reasons or personal reasons its hard to tell

 

See, I've been playing you, giving you a chance to map your statements to an agenda. You haven't once aligned yourself to anything pro-town. So, you are either legitimately butthurt over me messing up your name, you are not town, or you absolutely suck at this game.

 

Which is it?

 

 

And stop saying I'm "insulting" you. I messed up your name, it's something I do with everyone when I'm giving them a good natured hard time, if you can't cope with that it's on you.

 

Saying he sucks at the game is a bit harsh. It does look like personal issues are clouding your judgement though Csarmi

 

 

What makes the game unfair is when scum appeals to the mod to get them to modkill townies over minor infractions that should be laughed off, thus giving scum an additional kill. That is unfair.

Interesting that you refer to Crusher as townie here. If you agree that his drunk post had no bearing on this game then you'll agree it does not indicate he is town either.

I agree with Nol here. It stuck out to me too

  

Obviously Crusher's drunk post doesn't mean anything about his alignment. Dump your remedial nonsense on someone else, will ya?

 

What about the fact that you named him town. That looks a bit Freudian actually

You can him did work together on the Csarmi issue, I had that down to him being a dude you knew from JN and wanting to defend him, but I had mentally noted to watch for teamwork between you two.

The way you shrug it off bugs me

  

My theory is that cspazz may be scum looking for a cheap kill, by catching crusher on a rule break and seeing if he can get him lynched and/or modkilled.

 

I didn't think this needed explicit spelling out, forgot you were playing.

 

I want to believe if that was is goal his teammates would of stopped that in its tracks. I'm not going to vote Csarmi over this, it's too emotional, and I don't like how it got turned on him.

He isn't playing pro town, but I think it's his personal issues more than an agenda getting in the way. As town or mafia, it was bad form

 

So just a thing on the editing, there is a log of what they were before he edited and if you get the emails about this thread there is a copy of the original on that

 

It's a pity crusher left but its probably for the best

 

 

 

You're too far in to see this one, but meh.  You're going to drive it til the very end.  If trying to get someone MK'd Day 1 and flaming about your name being mistyped is overly emotional, touchy, town play then I don't know what is.

 

I get that you're the one going head to head with him, but come on.  I know I haven't played here before (hence why I said I'd let others weigh in) but no one plays that transparent as scum.  His actions scream townie biting off more than he can chew with the Ape to me, but what do I know.  I've only played with you for 3 (I think?) years and watched the same thing happen more times than I can recall.

 

Peoples reactions on the two of you is more telling than what he's actually said/done...but that's how I always look at D1, so meh again.  Yeah, yeah...FOS AVM for diffusing the situation.

 

What do you mean I'm too far in? I know exactly what I've been working on here. People's reactions are my primary goal, which is why I've been able to engage him with legitimate observations, but obviously keep my head in the game of noting the reactions of on-lookers. 

 

People do play that transparent as scum here, by the way. I don't know how he could have bitten off more than he could chew, when it was me that snared him pushing an anti-town agenda. He got caught with his pants down, imo.

 

You say you are interested in the reactions to it, but then you continue to try to diffuse it. Not sure why you'd want to stall a lynch out in the first place. Universal rule of mafia is if you are a townie, don't stand in front of a lynch if you don't know the person's alignment. 

 

Seems to me you are playing super-townie. Not sure why.

 

Yes we in DM aren't the subtlest, I don't think this is one of those cases though.

Also I disagree with standing in front of a lynch as town being a bad idea. There are times when I do it. I trust me gut on some things and I will defend someone who I think is town, if you let a lynch just slide by cos you don't want to be seen defending it, that looks scummy to me

What if its LYLO? I'd stand till the bitter end to try save someone I thought was town to try win the game.

Anyway I disagree with you

 

 

 

unvote, vote BooBoo

He's been jumping on easy lynch trains.

 

 

Yup. He is most suspect in all of this.

 

So far this is basically the entire case on Booboo

Anyone else think that Ape and Csarmi are sitting in the QT laughing their asses off? I smell a gambit.

Yea if this is the case ill be really saddened. To me that was really against the spirit of the game.

I'm not an angel when it comes to mafia, but that would just be low

 

Also Ape, what you said about Ishy setting up a lynch on you for it Csarmi flips mafia?

That's just silly, you know better than most. There won't be a speed lynch on you if such a thing happened. You might look a little scummy but when don't you.

Looks to me like you wanted to nip that in the bud really quick didn't you

 

So the Booboo thing. I'm with darthes. They may be including their reasons but they are pretty slim to me.

I know it's day one, but an opportunistic vote is not a reason to sink someone

[csarmi]

Csarmi, drunk mafia has its place, I think it was an honest mistake.

 

I agree with you on that one (I even fell for it myself and replied to him there). What bothered me there was the reference to it. How I look in that game has no place here.

Actually, I didn't even mean to be very serious here about calling him out (the drunkvote reference wasn't supposed to be serious). Crusher, I apologize for bringing this up, no offense was meant there.

 

 

For using the wrong name. This bugs me, on a personal level.

It wasn't meant as disrespect to start with and then it was only playful and humorous. It's just a name you picked on a website

 

I'm sure it wasn't meant as a disrespect first. I asked him to call me on my name. He threw a couple of insults on me and misspelled it deliberately.

I have to agree that in the posts after my berserk most of the mispellings were humorous.

 

 

If that's enough for you to blindly lynch someone tell me why you deserve the respect to make the effort to type your name correctly?

 

Everyone deserves that respect. 

 

Yea I know I was going too far. I do believe that stirring up the discussion is more likely to help town. Especially if emotions come to play.

[dapianoplay3r]

I'm going to bed but just so you know

 

Don't feed the trolls. He misspelt your name on purpose, so live with it and move on.

 

People misspell name all the time, especially in mafia, as long as you can tell who the mean and it's not insulting (by that I mean derogatory or racist) then it is something you just have to live with IMO

 

Last I don't think the convo helped the game. It caused one player to leave (a rather good player I might add) and got all the attention for many pages. The only way that would of "helped" the game is if you were mafia and trying to get him lynched on that. I'm not going to say you were cos of it, but it didn't help the game IMO

 

Ps. I kinda wanna spell your name wrong from now on just to teach you that it does not matter

But it's a little petty so I won't

[csarmi]

Again, I'm not sure how do we know that Crusher left the game? Also if he did (over such a small thing), I don't believe that's my fault. I feel sorry for it if that's the case. 

 

Likewise, if I stood up and left the game over Mr DieHard's insults, it would be my bad, not his.

[dapianoplay3r]

Don't skim. It's just bad for and I hate skimmers

 

Having reply box issue on my phone--will get a vc up ASAP--also crusher has asked to be replaced, and I think I have a replacement for him

As to why he left, if guess it was a number if factors, however I'm pretty sure if you hadn't of been in the game he wouldn't of left.

 

Still it's done

[csarmi]

What's a skimmer?

[dapianoplay3r]

Someone that doesn't read everything and skips parts

 

I thought you said you had played before? I know English isn't your first language but it would be hard not to learnt that word in DM Mafia

 

Anyway goodnight

[csarmi]

I haven't played for 2-3 years so I suppose that I have forgotten a lot of the maffia-specific dictionary. I'm picking them up as we speak.

[csarmi]

So who is skimming here and why?

[Nolder]

Summary Nol is talking BS about easy targets and used it as an excuse to lurk and not be around D1

Eh? I've been here the entire time. I'm taking a bit of a breather right now as far as casing people myself to see how the thing with Ape and Csarmi turns out. I don't want to distract from it because despite the more personal nature of the arguments we are still getting some nice reactions as well both from them and from other people. Why would I want to draw attention to someone else? Besides I said my bit and voted Ishy for it and got drowned out. If anyone cares what I think they can reread or ask.

[Nolder]

He's calling you a skimmer because you expressed doubt that Crusher actually left the game when the mod clearly said Crusher asked to be replaced.

[John McClane]

 

So, you are either legitimately butthurt over me messing up your name, you are not town, or you absolutely suck at this game.

 

Which is it?

 

 

And stop saying I'm "insulting" you. I messed up your name, it's something I do with everyone when I'm giving them a good natured hard time, if you can't cope with that it's on you.

 

Underlined and bolded: Leaving a way out if Czar flips Town. 

 

>>I didn't think this needed explicit spelling out, forgot you were playing.

 

 

This is completely out of the game right now, but something I've noticed. You've got to give up attacking everyone who spells your name wrong. It has nothing to do with the game most of the time.It's normally an accident. People are on phones, things autocorrect, people are dyslexic, any numerous reason. People get mine wrong all the time. Make a slight joke about it, move on. If it bugs you that much, politely PM the person and work it out. Dragging it into the game and lynching someone for getting your name wrong is against the spirit of the game. 

 

 

Back to the game. Ape loves to beat the grass and scum hunt, it's what he does. Right now, you are looking rather scummy. I'm still far too tired/worried about a RL situation to vote, but I am watching the game. I'm hoping to be back a bit more full swing this afternoon.

 

First paragraph. Totally agreed. EXCEPT, don't go PMing people every time someone spells your damn name wrong. It isn't one of the easier Handles to spell around here. I "get mad" when people spell my handle with two Ns, but I don't really care. 

If you care so much that people spell it wrong, go PM the Admins and have them change it to Angel Bob or something. 

 

Second paragraph:  Someone mentioned this is your MO, but I don't like it. I don't think I've played with you, but fence sitting is fence sitting. 

 

 

unvote, vote BooBoo

 

He's been jumping on easy lynch trains.

 

Agreed. 

 

 

I forgot DM mafia is more about signing up for games, than it is about playing in them.

 

Stupid quote tags disappeared on me. Don't remember who said this. 

Hey now. I was sleeping. And then shopping for noms.

 

 

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As for the whole Czar situation, I'm getting a townie feel from the getting upset over his name (full thoughts on that above), and while Ape (John McClane is Ape? Stupid new people making me learn new names) has a point that he in no way has defended the rest of his case, I think he's just playing poorly. 

 

Don't really have a feel for Ape, yet, though. 

 

 

The underlined and bolded is an insult. I'm not hedging, which is what you are implying. At this point lynching cspazz is my recommendations, because he is bad for business, he's done some things I think might align with a scummy agenda, and because at this point, we've seen at least a handful of firm reactions to my case on him from active players. 

 

We could also just lynch one of the slobs that signed up and hasn't posted yet. That'd be fun.

 

Also, I made the last quote about people signing up and not playing. :)

 

Also, on the name things - every single one of you fruitcakes over here need to get over it if someone messes up your name, intentionally or not. Dumbest crap I've ever seen turning it into WW3. (Edit: Effing) insecure babies.

[csarmi]

He's calling you a skimmer because you expressed doubt that Crusher actually left the game when the mod clearly said Crusher asked to be replaced.

 

When did he say that? I never saw that post. No wonder I was missing out on this storyline.

[John McClane]

 

 

Anyone else think that Ape and Csarmi are sitting in the QT laughing their asses off? I smell a gambit.

 

This is a scummy post, if Cspazz flips scum it's like you are lining up a lynch on me. Very, very scummy.

 

^ This.  Ish's vote is still on Nolder but he's nudging along the csarmi train here.

 

Yup. 

 

I've got a real strong town read on you right now. This + your vote/case on cspazz before I started to case him resonate as pro-town logic. Nice.

[John McClane]

I'm suddenly being mentioned a lot I see.  

 

Would anyone mind bringing up why Booboo?  

 

I've noted votes there but not much casework.

 

Re-read you lazy bumb!!!

 

There's actually plenty on the case for Booboo, if you actually read. You'll also see that you aren't being mentioned at all. 

 

Not sure what you are feigning here other than laziness.

[csarmi]

John, I don't recommend lynching me.

[John McClane]

John, I don't recommend lynching me.

 

Why not? If you are a vanilla townie, you should understand the value in dying now. Knowing your alignment gives us great context for all the reactions we've gotten.

 

On a related note, Dapiano just added himself to the list of respondents, and I like a lot of what he's got to say.

[Nolder]

Csarmi: Post #247

[peacesells]

John, I don't recommend lynching me.

 

 

How come in my head I followed that up with "you wouldn't like me when I'm angry."  ?