[Basic]: Girls Gone Wild Mafia

[csarmi]

You did a great job!  That looks good, and you make really good points.  I'm pretty suspicious of Kaylee at the moment, with her hammer of Vam, it seems like the decision a mafia would make in order to get town credit.  I was the L-1 vote, so no, I didn't want to leave it open to a mafia hammer had Vam been town.

 

As far as I can see, Kaylee's vote was the hammer. At that time the game standing is:

 

• two town players dead to random poison,
• most likely 3 scum and 6 townie alive,
• one scum being under lynch threat

There's no way a random lynch (if no majority is reached) can be worse to the maffia than a Vam lynch.

 

Of course it's not that simple, but there might be a lot to gained by figuring out who voted/unvoted, when, and why

[Basel Gill]

Vote Hally. Unvoting Vam, who turned out to be scum, keeps pinging at me. Voting him in the first place might have been a try at town cred without actually endangering him.

[Niniel]

Vote Count

 

Hallia (1): Basel

 

Not voting: Via, Hallia, Csarmi, Time, Mish, Kaylee

 

 

It´s now Day 2. With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline Friday 9 PM CET. 

[michellem]

Seriously guys, we gotta take this nice and slow. Loosing two townies on day 1 has put town in an extremely vounreable position. We're down as many townies as we normally would be on D3, but with only one days worth of interactions to analyze. So please hold those votes; we have plenty of time considering the deadline is two days off.

[csarmi]

Mish, normally we would have two townies and zero scum dead at this point (day 1 lynch usually takes a townie and scum tend to be able to do their NK), so things aren't that bad.

 

Hmm. My math is flawed. 

It's true that we have lost a day. At day 3 we would be at

 

Holding the votes is probably not a bad advice. Takes 4 to lynch, that's 2 townie and 2 scum.

 

Let's see how this goes.

[csarmi]

It's true that we have lost a day. At day 3 we would be at <-- should be added: ... at 3 villager/1 scum dead.

[michellem]

Exactly. Since we started out as 11 players we probably have 3 mafia. That's 2 left alive. So if there's 2 votes made by townies on the same townsperson now, mafia can swoop in to hammer. Or they can put 2 votes on a person hoping townies will follow. So yeah, hold the votes, we gotta talk this over thouroughly.

[csarmi]

Well I won't be able to help much I'm afraid, very busy these days so low casework and the conflicts I generated just don't help much now as it was mostly with Darthe, Peace and Player. 

Also, they were the most active townsplayers :(

[csarmi]

Well what we did learn is the alignment of the dead, maybe we can figure out what's going on from the reactions to them. We know that tha scum knew they were town while us (the villagers) didn't.

[Elaevia]

so we may be doing ok with ratios of dead mafia and town, but we are really low on info. can't put together anything at the moment as I'm at work, so will do that later this evening. we've got some time to play with so don't need to rush, but we need some more viewpoints in here.

 

have noted Hallias coment about random though. at any point during the game apart from a lynch or loose situation random is more likely to hit town than mafia.

 

I dont want to focus exclusively on Hallia though, so will be looking at others later.

[Hallia]

 

Hey, I read your unvote darthe as vote darthe, I'm used to only seeing unvote by itself. You have a good point there.

 

Unvote

 

I'll be here all day, and will do another reread right now.

 

Emphasis by me.

 

Care to explain this? You unvote Vambram then make sure not to return before deadline. In fact, you've not voted at all. The one in bolded makes this even worse. 

The underlined one is a classic scum line.

 

I've not voted at all? Skim much?  He made a good point and, NOT knowing he was mafia, if I had an inkling he was town I wouldn't have wanted to leave it at L-1 so that they could swoop in and hammer.

 

With the knowledge that Darthe was town, the way Vam appears to be going after him does make him look pretty scummy.

 

Vote Vam

[csarmi]

 

 

Hey, I read your unvote darthe as vote darthe, I'm used to only seeing unvote by itself. You have a good point there.

 

Unvote

 

I'll be here all day, and will do another reread right now.

 

Emphasis by me.

 

Care to explain this? You unvote Vambram then make sure not to return before deadline. In fact, you've not voted at all. The one in bolded makes this even worse. 

The underlined one is a classic scum line.

 

I've not voted at all? Skim much?  He made a good point and, NOT knowing he was mafia, if I had an inkling he was town I wouldn't have wanted to leave it at L-1 so that they could swoop in and hammer.

 

>With the knowledge that Darthe was town, the way Vam appears to be going after him does make him look pretty scummy.

 

Vote Vam

 

 

Maybe I didn't make myself clear. You unvoted, claimed that you'd be around then you never came back to vote.

[Hallia]

Yes, because I was watching what was going on.  I'd put my input in, and wanted to see what everyone else thought.  

[wheeloftime13]

i get hallia's point especially because we'd already lost 2 town that day, but the likelihood of us achieving a different lynch in under an hour left was very small, and his actions had already seemed scummy enough... so it would've made sense to try and lynch the most scummy person with such little time left....

[Hallia]

Yes, but I was on watching, if it had gotten any closer, I would've hammered rather than going to random.  Now it's kind of a conundrum though.  Scum can be on either side of the votes for it.  Some might've piled on to get credit as the deadline got closer, so I'm willing to bet one of them is voting Vam, and one isn't.

[csarmi]

Watching, right? I might buy that Hallia, but what exactly were you watching for? What was your plan? How did you think this was go down? Because having a townie hammered is still better than a random lynch, isn't it?

[csarmi]

For instance, what was your plan if someone unvoted?

[Hallia]

I'm no mind reader, I just wanted more peoples opinions before leaving it at L-1, as I've said before.  And yes, it is better to have a townie than random, of course.

[csarmi]

So it went back up to L-1, what then? Why no hammer? Weren't you afraid that a scum might unvote?

[Elaevia]

So the first person I'm looking at this evening is Mirsh. No particular reason though.

 

It's Cloudflare-time once a day, every day, at 11PM my time.

 

I think Peace looks a bit bad now for jumping on Darthe like that, I guesses from the first time it got pointed out to Darthe that Time was AWOL and he didn't respond, that is was his method of beating the grass for snakes and getting D1 going. And Peace bought it.

 

 

 

Vam do you have any reasons for WHY you think that? That's an awful lot of politician talk, trying to make it seem like you're saying something, when basically all you say is "I think Darthe is scum" without giving any reasons at all. FoS on you.

 

csarmi, mafia is a game of lies and deceit, if you're gonna go emo everytime someone suggests you said anything other than what you did, you're gonna spend an awfuly lot of the game being pissed off. Some of the people in the game ARE liars, it's that simple. And we gotta find them. YOU might know that you're telling the truth; the rest of us doesn't. It's that simple.

  

Yeah... Wow. Back to this game place.

 

Vam, you're just parroting others, and ignoring the fact that it got quite clear that Darthe was being Darthe and throwing stuff out there for people to react to. If you can't see that Peace came out looking the worst in that situation... Well, makes me feel like you're trying to protect Peace.

  

 

You know mish it looks like you are protecting Darthe.

Ok, in this section there are a couple of posts that Can be viewed as Mirsh buddying up to Darthe (now that we know he was town it can't be mafia protecting mafia). She raises points to both to Vam and Peace while they are voting / posting that Darthe Is mafia.

 

This will be continued in another post as it won't let me add any more quotes now.

[Elaevia]

Please note: I don't have any linebreaks again, so my posts will be a bit compavt. Peace I know it might look like that if you squint at it. For now my gut says Darthe is town, and so I'm suspoicious of those after him. Especially on such a thin reason as Vam, who doesn't think on his own but just follows along with others. Typical mafia technique. Actually I'm gonna go ahead and vote Vam Another I'm keeping my eyes on is Csarmi; you are being very emotional, over-defensive, and your attitude isn't helping town, it's just a distraction.

 

 

This is her vote on Vam, and replying to peaces following comment. Seems a reasonable explanation if she considering Darthe's usual play, and I don't think anyone contradicts this.

 

 

That was to csarmi ^ and good catch Via with Basel.

  

 

 

It's the weekend.

These are a couple of quotes of Mirsh's chatty type posts during this period. Although she told me 'good catch' with Basel she hasn't really said what she thought of it herself, or Basel's response. These also shown that she was about and posting, but nothing game related really, happy to keep with her vote on Vam.

 

To be continued again....

[Elaevia]

 

Here is quite a few pages in which Csarmi claims Doc, and Darthe and peace reveal their characters and get mod killed.

 

Wow... I feel good with where my vote is now.

  

 

But doens't explain why she feels that way, I would be highly suspicous of this comment if it weren't on someone we now know to be mafia, I don't understand what it would gain if she was mafia.

 

Seriously guys, we gotta take this nice and slow. Loosing two townies on day 1 has put town in an extremely vounreable position. We're down as many townies as we normally would be on D3, but with only one days worth of interactions to analyze. So please hold those votes; we have plenty of time considering the deadline is two days off.

Generally words I agree with, we need to talk before voting. But there isn't any sign of scum hunting, and hasnt really been a lot in the past either. Talking for too long will lead to a rushed lynch and us making bad decisions.

 

 

So that's all for the moment on Mirsh. There's a couple of things that make me uncomfortable, but in general, I'm thinking town.

[Niniel]

Vote Count

 

Hallia (1): Basel

 

Not voting: Via, Hallia, Csarmi, Time, Mish, Kaylee

 

 

It´s now Day 2. With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline Friday 9 PM CET. 

[Hallia]

Here's my first casing, Basel's been playing a pretty quiet game.

 

Here.

 

 

Yeah, last game I saw him in, he promised to let us know what the deal was with MJ after that game was over, but started talking about issues getting to DM, and then went MIA from the game after a couple of lynches. Haven't seen him since.

 

It's been mainly fluff when he has posted.

 

 

WOT means Web of Trust (i think??)
It's when you link players together based on circumstantial evidence
I happen to enjoy them lol

Nope, WoT is Wall of Text. It's when you include a gazillion quotes from assorted posts all at once with your responses to them, or just your thoughts on them. Sometimes a WoT is even split between multiple posts if it is particularly long.

As to Hally and Time, I don't see anything suspicious about them not being here actively yet. Time said before the game thread began she wouldn't be on till sometime today. Hally is dealing with a death in her family, and according to her FB the service isn't till tomorrow. It might be a couple days before she shows up.

 

 

Stupid post button... anyhow, continuation of what I was saying. I don't see anything scummy about either person not being here yet. Csarmi has yet to post at all, so there's no read till he shows up or is replaced. I don't see anything scummy about Darthe's vote yet, though. To me it reads like it could be town setting a trap to see who responds.

 

 

 

VOTE DARTHE

 

Complete hogwash.  Not only is it complete hogwash but it isn't even very clear hogwash. 

 

That doesn't make him scum, though. Darthe's logic here keeps reminding me of some of the crazier stuff Mynd would come out with on D1, often when he was town.

 

 

 

I think it is off about Peace getting on Darthe, but it could just be pressure that he uses when he plays normally... I think that as a new player, Via is doing well, but I have to say that I somewhat disagree with her reasoning for her vote... on day one, people come and go and usually wait for someone else to talk before saying something... or they have nothing to say... I do agree that he needed prodding though...

 

This sounds like a bit of fence-sitting to me. Vote Time.

 

You accuse Time of fence-sitting, but you've been pretty passive this game as well.

 

I can't think that Darthe ever held up any hope of getting us to lynch time when she wasn't here ( with Darthe being town or mafia I think this holds up both ways), so don't see that as a reason to vote him. Voting home does make it look like Vambram is trying to distract from Peace's vote on Darthe.

I've also noticed that Basil's posts are either general chat, defence of Darthe or support of Darthe's vote on Time, which is making me a bit suspicious that he is mafia trying to buddy up to an active townie.

 

I see that I'm not the only one to notice.

 

 

I can't think that Darthe ever held up any hope of getting us to lynch time when she wasn't here ( with Darthe being town or mafia I think this holds up both ways), so don't see that as a reason to vote him. Voting home does make it look like Vambram is trying to distract from Peace's vote on Darthe.

I've also noticed that Basil's posts are either general chat, defence of Darthe or support of Darthe's vote on Time, which is making me a bit suspicious that he is mafia trying to buddy up to an active townie.

 

Via... if I feel that Darthe is town, then I have an obligation to try and steer the votes away from him, since town wants to lynch mafia. He made a strange and half-baked case on Time, but this is often a townie tactic to float up something wild solely to see what reactions you get, and then make your reads based on those reactions. Time hadn't yet made the post that led to my vote on her then, so there was no way of knowing that she was suspicious with no read on her. And if I vote Time for totally different reasons than he did, then it doesn't count as support of him. I never supported his case on her, I voted her due to something I noticed myself. I think her post that I mentioned as fence-sitting was her trying to cover all her bases so she can look good no matter how this day plays out.

 

>Basel, sorry, not Basil

*stupid autocorrect*

 

You're not the first one.

 

 

You didn't have a very solid reason for voting Time yourself.

 

 

 

God you're adorable.
You come into our town, call our people stupid for not buying your bullshat the instant you feed it to them, and then get offended when they poke back?
I really like this kid y'all. He/she's got spirit.
Like EP.

 

Quoted for LOLz.

 

 

 

(Haha just saw Darthes [awkward when your iPad autocorrects Darthe to father] thing about psych reasons in mafia, the Kaylee thing is totally one)

I just have to note that this made cola come out my nose from laughing.

 

More fluffzorz, and then there's Player's casing.

 

 

 

 

Right. I think everyone should do this. I'm going through and Work out who I think is town. 3 people should be mafia and since there are only 9 players left now that's 1/3

Players

2. Basel - maybe mafia (but linked with time and I think she is town so yea)

 

I can't think that Darthe ever held up any hope of getting us to lynch time when she wasn't here ( with Darthe being town or mafia I think this holds up both ways), so don't see that as a reason to vote him. Voting home does make it look like Vambram is trying to distract from Peace's vote on Darthe.
I've also noticed that Basil's posts are either general chat, defence of Darthe or support of Darthe's vote on Time, which is making me a bit suspicious that he is mafia trying to buddy up to an active townie.

 
Via... if I feel that Darthe is town, then I have an obligation to try and steer the votes away from him, since town wants to lynch mafia. He made a strange and half-baked case on Time, but this is often a townie tactic to float up something wild solely to see what reactions you get, and then make your reads based on those reactions. Time hadn't yet made the post that led to my vote on her then, so there was no way of knowing that she was suspicious with no read on her. And if I vote Time for totally different reasons than he did, then it doesn't count as support of him. I never supported his case on her, I voted her due to something I noticed myself. I think her post that I mentioned as fence-sitting was her trying to cover all her bases so she can look good no matter how this day plays out.
 

The fact that you vote someone with a vote in them validates the previous votes in a way. You may not agree with the previous reason but you still added to the pile.
Say she got magically lynched while you were asleep and flipped town super duper role of awesome. Your vote would of killed her just as much as the vote you don't agree with. Just cos you don't agree with it doesn't mean it doesn't count

 

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I'm going to put Time on the back burner here to deal with more recent developments. Csarmi/Trogdor seems to ping for me with his admission that he finds Darthe town, but willingness to lynch him anyway. Not unvoting is hardly a huge ping, I don't even think it's a ping at all. And he reads as overreacting about things when the heat turns towards him. Unvote, vote Csarmi.

I wonder if you will go back to time after Csarmis reveal?
We shall see. But it does look like distancing. I feel a town vibe from her but more of a mafia one from you

4. Vambram - leaning mafia

8. Mish - mafia but a weak weak read

11. Kaylee - leaning mafia

 

 

Player is a very very good scum hunter, I think his list of suspicious people is pretty darn helpful.

 

With DL coming today, I'm going to go back to where I started and vote Time.

 

And Player's right, back he goes to time.

 

Vote Basel.

[michellem]

Via, it's Mish, not Mirsh ;)