[ADVANCED] Forsaken in the White Tower: Town wins!

[John E. Kelley]

For all of you voting someone else at this point, can I suggest you get in here and give a really compelling case as to why or move on to either the Rand or Lenlo train.  No more d1 randoms.

 

Especially Tress and Hallia.

[Moon Sedai]

If needed to secure a Lynch I will change my vote.

[Hallia]

Tina >

 

 

Darthe, I'm not sure what my reputation is or why it's unwarranted; in any case, I wasn't saying 'vote Darthe because of my reputation', so I don't know why you brought it up. I'm focusing on you because you were the only one to suggest that Cloud was confirmed town (or almost so) as a result of his vote. He's not, and I explained why. The fact that you believed his claim so suddenly suggests to me that you might have more information than the rest of the town does.

 

You're backpedaling now to say that he's only somebody that you have a town read on. That would have been a fair enough reaction to have, but it wasn't your initial reaction.

No I'm not. Have you legitimately never seen this done because its done by me in almost every game and is done by almost everyone on mafiascum. I'm not going to change for the site meta when the site meta creates issue. You can nitpick the difference between "I have this person on my town list" and "this persons townie" all you want but both say the same thing, my stance on the individual currently based on their play.

 

 

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^ you should have seen the last game I was in then. We caught 3 scum in 2 days with Vig help and caught the 4th on D4.

 

I do not intend to be brash by saying this but I have no intentions of changing things that help me when the groups here won't play as a team. If I can't decide that I trust some people in each game because you all find that "scummy" then lynch me each game and give scum an early advantage. But I happen to know that hunting scum is easier when you have solid reads on others, even if they are temporary. Selfish play gets

punished.

 

None of these posts makes sense to me. What are you talking about?

 

I agree with Cloud about Rand. Will keep my vote there.

 

What makes you agree with my vote on Rand? I personally have only played one game with him so I don't really know his meta. I think an explanation from you why you think Rand is scum would help out a lot. 

 

Moon>

_Cloud, I'm going to trust your judgement on Rand. 

He hasn't been sitting well with me. But, he never does. 

 

unvote vote Rand

 

Same holds true for you. You shouldn't trust my judgement in any Mafia game. It seems like you know Rand's meta well enough so please explain yourself more. Right now it looks to me like you are preparing for bussing Rand. FoS.

 

 

Peace>

Thom is an interesting choice.  Maybe a mod provided safe claim?

 

I'm doubting Clouds alignment a bit now with that character reveal.

 

Lol. You doubting my claim after I revealed my character?? Characters are almost worth nothing. It's the role that matters. FoS. 

 

Rand> 

OK really quick since I have to leave school soon, the only reason that I saw that was specifically pointed out for voting me is me sayingnot to claim your character. I thought that as Halli was new I might be precautious.

 

I'm sorry to say it but that's plain bs dude. If you were worried about Hallia then you should have just named her in your post, which you did not do. 

 

Dap> 

Im gunna risk it.

Cloud normally the point of having an anonymous vote is for it to be secret. Having it follow you seems very unsecret. Seems a little off.

I had been ignoring it but your last comment pinged

 

Please explain what pinged at my comment, or I can't take you serious. This also holds true for everyone else here. I understand your doubt about the anonymous vote, but secrecy fits well with Thom's character. 

 

Also Dap I think> 

I think it's odd that it says anonymous in the VC at all. Usually with a double voter the number just goes up. At least, in my experience. Anyone else?

 

In my experience being a double voter i PMd the person i wanted my second vote on and it would appear. It could be different

 

Check the Mafia wiki for the doublevoter role. It clearly says that it doesn't have to be used through a PM. 

 

OK, I agree with Peace on this one, Thom isn't a very common character in the WT, which he purposely tries to avoid, and I wouldn't see any reason why he would be in, much less a PR that can double vote.  I don't think it fits his character, and I don't think it fits here.  Nevertheless, I'll give Cloud the benefit of the doubt for now.  However, my attention moves to Mish for now.  Firstly, the blind trust in Cloud does not depend on his alignment.  If he is a teammate, it could be protection, or if he is town, it could be defending a townie to look like town yourself.  You are pushing much too strongly and it seems like you have information town doesn't.

 

Secondly, the way that you voted Peace right when he asked you where a vote was very suspicious to me.

 

Third of all, and this is less strong, but comes from personal experience, when I don't know how to respond to a statement that someone has made, and don't want to sound scummy, I put a laugh emoticon, or a lol, just to look like I am active enough, and engaged, but open to humor and town.  This is more of a gut feeling, but I feel that my previous 2 reasons hold up well.  For those reasons, unvote vote Mish

 

Ok you have just dug your own grave here. 

 

Blue: You agree with Peace, but not with everyone else who has also posted their doubt about my claim?? It looks like you are trying to latching yourself on Peace that after your lynch they will go after him. Noted. 

Green: What?! You explain that Thom isn't a common character in the WT, you don't believe that he can double vote, and you don't think that it fits in this game. AND YET you still choose to believe me? The only logical action here would be that you have voted for me. 

Maroon: Yes, please list all the reasons why Mish could be both Town as well as Mafia. Nice WIFOM dude. 

Orange: Irrelevant. 

 

 

Conclusion? Rand is scum. 

 

I'm going to eat something now and when I come back I will prepare more evidence for the rest of the players. 

I've been going back through and rereading all of the posts, and how Cloud set all of this up laid out an interesting argument for lynching Rand.

Unvote

Vote Rand

[Hallia]

 

For all of you voting someone else at this point, can I suggest you get in here and give a really compelling case as to why or move on to either the Rand or Lenlo train.  No more d1 randoms.

 

Especially Tress and Hallia.

Aye captain 

[peacesells]

For all of you voting someone else at this point, can I suggest you get in here and give a really compelling case as to why or move on to either the Rand or Lenlo train.  No more d1 randoms.

What?  You don't like my darthe reasoning?

[Darthe]

 

 

For all of you voting someone else at this point, can I suggest you get in here and give a really compelling case as to why or move on to either the Rand or Lenlo train.  No more d1 randoms.

 

Especially Tress and Hallia.

Aye captain 

 

Yeah.. this isn't going to cut it if you want to stick around on this site.  Step it up or don't join everything plz.

[Darthe]

 

For all of you voting someone else at this point, can I suggest you get in here and give a really compelling case as to why or move on to either the Rand or Lenlo train.  No more d1 randoms.

What?  You don't like my darthe reasoning?

 

Are you a jester?

[Darthe]

 

 

 

For all of you voting someone else at this point, can I suggest you get in here and give a really compelling case as to why or move on to either the Rand or Lenlo train.  No more d1 randoms.

 

Especially Tress and Hallia.

Aye captain 

 

Yeah.. this isn't going to cut it if you want to stick around on this site.  Step it up or don't join everything plz.

Okay, couldn't do the hardass thing to you  I wanted to give you hell but I remember being new lol. Still, contribution will extend your life a lot.

[John E. Kelley]

Cut her some slack Darthe. First timer.

[Talya]

He has a good point though, she could have contributed when she commented on here, instead did nothing!

[Talya]

Okay, just read the OP, I had it in my head it was Black Ajah not Foresaken. however it does say "a group" so suggests one group working together. Who knows. 

 

We only have a day and a half left, unfortunately weekends are always a bit slower. 

[_CLOUD]

For all of you voting someone else at this point, can I suggest you get in here and give a really compelling case as to why or move on to either the Rand or Lenlo train.  No more d1 randoms.

 

This. 

[_CLOUD]

Ishy, what are your reads in this game? You still haven't voted on anyone. 

 

Darthe, why do you think that Lenlo is the better lynch option over Rand? 

[Basel Gill]

Len (6): Darthe, RTE, Time, TG, Talya, Darthe
Ishy (2): Tress
Rand (7): Tina, Tiink, Cloud, Moon, Player, Hallia
Peace (1): Mish
Moon (2): Pandy, Len
Darthe (1): Peace
Mish (1): Rand

Not voting (3): Kaylee, Kae, Ishy

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

A deadline is now in effect. You have until Monday, Jan. 21st at 9 PM EST to achieve a majority.

 

http://www.timeandda...30121T21&p0=422

[Tyler Glembo]

@Hallia - I will say (as a fellow new-ish player) that in my first game I had no idea how to contribute.  I just couldn't bring myself to read into things the same way others did as it all seemed like random speculation.  But, if you just start posting about your thoughts, telling us who you have a gut feeling on, who's posts seem weird, stuff like that then combined with the feedback you'll get you will learn quickly.

[michellem]

Sorry for my abscense today and yesterday; my husband has been sick and funny enough he's higher on my priority list than mafia :P He's doing much better now though.

 

unvote, vote Rand

 

Clouds case was a good one, and although I still find Peace to be extremely scummy ("Thom has never hunted the Black Ajah" *mumble mumble*) I think Rand is a good way to go today. I won't deny though that I wish he would show up soon...

[Moon Sedai]

Where is rand? He's uncharacteristically absent. ..

even in the Thak game....

[Basel Gill]

Certain individuals have not been very active so far. I'm keeping an eye on the post counts.

[michellem]

Rand hasn't posted anywhere in two days; I checked his profile. Has anyone heard from him at all?

[Darthe]

Rand is dead on for himself and hasn't shown any mafia tells this game.  His case has been trumped beyond belief and is based on assumptions rather than logic.  Also, I think he is in finals or something?

[Hallia]

He has a good point though, she could have contributed when she commented on here, instead did nothing!

 

My comment for this one was merely a response to Ishy, the post just before this I commented that I agreed with Cloud's reasoning for why he thought we should vote Rand.  I didn't know that I was wrong for just agreeing.  I don't know everyone's play style yet, so I have been relying some on other people's assessments.  

 

 

Tina >

 

 

Darthe, I'm not sure what my reputation is or why it's unwarranted; in any case, I wasn't saying 'vote Darthe because of my reputation', so I don't know why you brought it up. I'm focusing on you because you were the only one to suggest that Cloud was confirmed town (or almost so) as a result of his vote. He's not, and I explained why. The fact that you believed his claim so suddenly suggests to me that you might have more information than the rest of the town does.

 

You're backpedaling now to say that he's only somebody that you have a town read on. That would have been a fair enough reaction to have, but it wasn't your initial reaction.

No I'm not. Have you legitimately never seen this done because its done by me in almost every game and is done by almost everyone on mafiascum. I'm not going to change for the site meta when the site meta creates issue. You can nitpick the difference between "I have this person on my town list" and "this persons townie" all you want but both say the same thing, my stance on the individual currently based on their play.

 

 

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^ you should have seen the last game I was in then. We caught 3 scum in 2 days with Vig help and caught the 4th on D4.

 

I do not intend to be brash by saying this but I have no intentions of changing things that help me when the groups here won't play as a team. If I can't decide that I trust some people in each game because you all find that "scummy" then lynch me each game and give scum an early advantage. But I happen to know that hunting scum is easier when you have solid reads on others, even if they are temporary. Selfish play gets

punished.lockquote>

 

None of these posts makes sense to me. What are you talking about?

 

I agree with Cloud about Rand. Will keep my vote there.

 

What makes you agree with my vote on Rand? I personally have only played one game with him so I don't really know his meta. I think an explanation from you why you think Rand is scum would help out a lot. 

 

Moon>

>_Cloud, I'm going to trust your judgement on Rand. 

He hasn't been sitting well with me. But, he never does. 

 

unvote vote Rand

 

Same holds true for you. You shouldn't trust my judgement in any Mafia game. It seems like you know Rand's meta well enough so please explain yourself more. Right now it looks to me like you are preparing for bussing Rand. FoS.

 

 

Peace>

Thom is an interesting choice.  Maybe a mod provided safe claim?

 

I'm doubting Clouds alignment a bit now with that character reveal.

 

Lol. You doubting my claim after I revealed my character?? Characters are almost worth nothing. It's the role that matters. FoS. 

 

Rand> 

OK really quick since I have to leave school soon, the only reason that I saw that was specifically pointed out for voting me is me sayingnot to claim your character. I thought that as Halli was new I might be precautious.

 

I'm sorry to say it but that's plain bs dude. If you were worried about Hallia then you should have just named her in your post, which you did not do. 

 

Dap> 

Im gunna risk it.

Cloud normally the point of having an anonymous vote is for it to be secret. Having it follow you seems very unsecret. Seems a little off.

I had been ignoring it but your last comment pinged

 

Please explain what pinged at my comment, or I can't take you serious. This also holds true for everyone else here. I understand your doubt about the anonymous vote, but secrecy fits well with Thom's character. 

 

Also Dap I think> 

I think it's odd that it says anonymous in the VC at all. Usually with a double voter the number just goes up. At least, in my experience. Anyone else?

 

In my experience being a double voter i PMd the person i wanted my second vote on and it would appear. It could be different

 

Check the Mafia wiki for the doublevoter role. It clearly says that it doesn't have to be used through a PM. 

 

OK, I agree with Peace on this one, Thom isn't a very common character in the WT, which he purposely tries to avoid, and I wouldn't see any reason why he would be in, much less a PR that can double vote.  I don't think it fits his character, and I don't think it fits here.  Nevertheless, I'll give Cloud the benefit of the doubt for now.  However, my attention moves to Mish for now.  Firstly, the blind trust in Cloud does not depend on his alignment.  If he is a teammate, it could be protection, or if he is town, it could be defending a townie to look like town yourself.  You are pushing much too strongly and it seems like you have information town doesn't.

 

Secondly, the way that you voted Peace right when he asked you where a vote was very suspicious to me.

 

Third of all, and this is less strong, but comes from personal experience, when I don't know how to respond to a statement that someone has made, and don't want to sound scummy, I put a laugh emoticon, or a lol, just to look like I am active enough, and engaged, but open to humor and town.  This is more of a gut feeling, but I feel that my previous 2 reasons hold up well.  For those reasons, unvote vote Mish

 

Ok you have just dug your own grave here. 

 

Blue: You agree with Peace, but not with everyone else who has also posted their doubt about my claim?? It looks like you are trying to latching yourself on Peace that after your lynch they will go after him. Noted. 

Green: What?! You explain that Thom isn't a common character in the WT, you don't believe that he can double vote, and you don't think that it fits in this game. AND YET you still choose to believe me? The only logical action here would be that you have voted for me. 

Maroon: Yes, please list all the reasons why Mish could be both Town as well as Mafia. Nice WIFOM dude. 

Orange: Irrelevant. 

 

 

Conclusion? Rand is scum. 

 

I'm going to eat something now and when I come back I will prepare more evidence for the rest of the players. 

I've been going back through and rereading all of the posts, and how Cloud set all of this up laid out an interesting argument for lynching Rand.

Unvote

Vote Rand

 

 

If his argument persuades me to feel like Rand could be mafia, should I not go with it?

[Basel Gill]

Len (5): Darthe, RTE, Time, TG, Talya
Ishy (1): Tress
Rand (8): Tina, Tiink, Cloud, Moon, Player, Hallia, Mish
Peace (1): Mish
Moon (2): Pandy, Len
Darthe (1): Peace
Mish (1): Rand

Not voting (3): Kaylee, Kae, Ishy

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

A deadline is now in effect. You have until Monday, Jan. 21st at 9 PM EST to achieve a majority.

 

http://www.timeandda...30121T21&p0=422

[Tyler Glembo]

Sorry for my abscense today and yesterday; my husband has been sick and funny enough he's higher on my priority list than mafia :P He's doing much better now though.

 

unvote, vote Rand

 

Clouds case was a good one, and although I still find Peace to be extremely scummy ("Thom has never hunted the Black Ajah" *mumble mumble*) I think Rand is a good way to go today. I won't deny though that I wish he would show up soon...

 

HWHat???  CRAZY TALK! 

[Talya]

 

He has a good point though, she could have contributed when she commented on here, instead did nothing!

 

My comment for this one was merely a response to Ishy, the post just before this I commented that I agreed with Cloud's reasoning for why he thought we should vote Rand.  I didn't know that I was wrong for just agreeing.  I don't know everyone's play style yet, so I have been relying some on other people's assessments.  

 

I apologise, I didn't see you had voted, I thought you had just pop in with a smiley and done nothing, but I take that back..

[Hallia]

Think nothing of it!   So we're all kind of waiting on Rand to respond then?