[Advanced] Hobbit Mafia Town Wins!

[dicetosser1]

whats intersting is that there was only one NK tonight.  If there are 2 mafia teams did one holster? I wouldnt have thought so.

 

i am curious how you figure there is 2 teams tho mish.   more to come   need to check something

[dicetosser1]

ok i went back to check Despos role   His role did not mention troll  just mafia  and it would make sense for the trolls and spiders to be the mafia team.  Both des and BB were written as mafia with BB as the spider leader  Spiders are probably smarter then trolls so i could see her being the team leader. 

 

 

so i am not sold on the 2 team idea   it could be one team  hence the one NK and there is probably an SK in smaug somewhere.

 

 

MOD  BB was a 3 shot poisoner and died on night 3   if she poisoned a different person each night would that action have shown up along with the NK?

[michellem]

I think we would have seen clearly if BB poisoned more, it was quite clear from the get-go that Gandalf had been poisoned.

 

The reason I think there are two mafia teams are because the differences in flavors in the kill scene, plus the fact that Des was troll (his char. was Bert. Bert, Tom and Bill are the mountain trolls they encounter that turn to stone from arguing so long over how to eat them) and BB spider, and spider leader at that.

 

 

Ok, I am done with my re-read and there are a few things that jumped out on me.

 

Peace:

 

On D2, he wanted to lynch Dice because he didn't think Rand would have put vanillas in the game. This after a night where we had a vanilla die with coroners report; so we already knew vanillas was in the game. Later that day BB posted that she thought the case on peace was "random and vague". Then there's the thing on D3 where he votes TG giving only the reason "human nature" and giving vague words about "who would you be if you posted that" pointing to one of TGs posts. D4 he doesn't understand the case on BB, when Roo started the day by voting BB; everybody else understood fast enough that Roo had viewed her and found her scum. Then when I reveal the neighbourizer he instantly wants me to tell who it is "isn't 1 neighbour usually scum? You should let us know who he is." Not big things in themselves, but combined it makes for a suspicious picture.

 

LZM: On Day 1 he tried some rolefishing on Basel. Posts some spammy fluff posts, but he doesn't contribute to the actual gameplay. This continues; On D3 he checks in with another spam/fluff-post, and then goes quiet again. He was online when we were so close to a random (I checked), and he didn't check in to vote and help us avoid random. Has a whopping total of 18 posts, in 43 pages...

 

Tress: Is extremely quiet until D4 (D1 was EP still in the game, so that doesn't count). On D4 she tries to spread some WIFOM about Darthe, without actually revealing anything that might be helpful from the neighbourizer thread; she doesn't even say straight out if she believes Darthe to be mafia or not.

 

 

Kae: Another that has floated by on zero activity. The only game related posts from her are way back on D1, until she showed up again now (yes I know she said she had problems getting on DM after the DDOS-attack. She didn't disappear completly until sometime midD3, and from the beginning her activity was very, very low).

 

John Snow: Again, someone floating by on inactivity... And he was a replacement for an inactive too. I have no read, because I have nothing to get a read from!

 

TG: Biggest thing about TG is not paying attention. It was explained on D1 why a random lynch was bad, but apparantly he didn't pay attention because during the Basel-lynch he kept trying to stop it and start new trains. I had to spoon-feed him why it was bad to make him stop.

 

 

So for today I think peace is the way to go. And seriously, inactives need to STEP IT UP! 12 players left, and we've only managed to get rid of one more maria. There could still be as many as 4 more out there.

 

I'm gonna take a look at the final votecounts later today.

 

Remaining players:

 

1. Tress
2. Peace
5. LZM
9. Darthe
10. Lolguy
13. Sakaea

14. John Snow
15. TG
16. Cyan
19. Starrik
21. Dice
22. Mish

[ruairidh7]

Oh snap. Come on town!

[Songstress]

I wasn't trying to spread WIFOM about trying to say I didn't believe the neighborizer is town since there is a confirmed town masonizer. And until he came out with it, just in case I was wrong about Darthe I didn't want to confirm that I had been neighborized, since his other two neighbors had just been killed the night before.

 

I don't know what you think might be helpful to share

[Songstress]

Wow. Phone formatting fail.

 

I should be sleeping anyway. Will come back to this later.

[michellem]

I want to know what your thoughts are now, that it's out in the open about you and Darthe; what kind of impression have you gotten from the QT about him being town or mafia. I haven't managed to pick up much about Darthe in my reread and I'm interested in as much input as possible. And that goes about you too; you've been so quiet that I have no impression at all. So that's two birds with one stone.

[Lenlo]

Nooooo! Lenooooo!

 

It's weird being on this side of the NK...

 

Go town!

[Tyler Glembo]

Reading back through, is it reasonable that the SK is an odd night SK? 

N1 - Darthe and Wombat die

N2 - Nobody dies, it appears Roo was protected

N3 - BG and Turin die

N4 - Len and Roo die, but Roo dies of poison, not the SK. 

[peacesells]

VOTE DARTHE

 

I don't have any faith that a neighborizer is a town role when we have a masonizer already. 

 

If there are 2 scum teams it is possible and likely they alternate NK's. 

 

Mish..I don't think I ask who the neighborizer was.  But ..I guess I could have since this game has been so slow i really don't remember.  Everything else you said about me is accurate.

[Sakaea]

I know I haven't been very active, but I haven't been able to get on DM at all. I seem to be able to get on consistently now tho.

[michellem]

Kae, your inactivity started before the forums started problem; it was there from the start, that was my point. I know DM has been hard for everyone to navigate lately.

 

 

 

VOTE DARTHE

 

I don't have any faith that a neighborizer is a town role when we have a masonizer already. 

 

If there are 2 scum teams it is possible and likely they alternate NK's. 

 

Mish..I don't think I ask who the neighborizer was.  But ..I guess I could have since this game has been so slow i really don't remember.  Everything else you said about me is accurate.

Yes you asked me that, that is an exact quote from you. I honestly can't be bothered to go back and find your own posts for you, so do it yourself. It was sometime during the last day I think.

 

 

 

Reading back through, is it reasonable that the SK is an odd night SK? 

N1 - Darthe and Wombat die

N2 - Nobody dies, it appears Roo was protected

N3 - BG and Turin die

N4 - Len and Roo die, but Roo dies of poison, not the SK. 

 

 

It could be a possibility, yes.

[Sakaea]

Well I'm here now. I was inactive due to RL and then the DDOS. I prob should have been replaced, but I love the Hobbit, couldn't miss this.

[dicetosser1]

Im on the same page regarding Peace as Mish is. I did a reread last night and Peace stuck out to me.

 

However im also really wary of Dathe.  I dont really buy the whole neighbourizer thing.

 

 

And Tress' last post is ping with me for some reason    theres something there but i cant put my finger on what it is. 

however I want to hear more from Tress re Darthe and being neighbours

[michellem]

I am blown away by the activity!

[dicetosser1]

yeah great isnt it?  it always surprises me cause i wouldve thought people had MORE time on w/es   u know no school/work taking up the day

[michellem]

Yeah I know, I have more time on the weekends, fewer social appointments too. Ah well.

 

What do you think of my case on peace dice?

[peacesells]

After I posted yesterday, I coulnt log in again til now.  This site is getting ridiculous.  Really killing my motivation.

[peacesells]

Yes, Dice...what do you think about that case? 

 

Guys, Darthe is scum.  I'd bank the game on it.  Neighborizer is a scum role especially since we have a confirmed masonizer. 

[dicetosser1]

i actually really agree with it    when i did my reread to check some despo stuff peace stuck out for the vanilla thing and i had seen the BB weak and vague comment. That does seem like the defence you put out when you dont want to be seen putting out a defence I didnt like the human nature thing and honestly still dont understand it.

 

 

my other concern is Darthe.

 

I could go either way to be honest.

[peacesells]

I still think TGlems is scum.  Notice how he's laid low since I stated my opinion?

[Songstress]

Sorry this is kind of disjointed... I've got a bit of a headache and I had a really late night last night and not enough sleep.  I can elaborate later if need be.

 

Vote Darthe

 

As stated previously, I don't believe there is a town neighborizer when there is a confirmed town masonizer.  Darthe is a very deliberate player and a good manipulator.  Every time I can think of that he's appeared to make a mistake within a game, it's been a deliberate gameplay choice.

 

I'm also concerned about TG and have been since early on.  The bit during the attempt to secure a lynch D4 in which we had to argue with him that a controlled lynch of a claimed vanilla town was better for town than risking a random didn't help any at all.

 

I trust Mish and Dice at this point, and one other person who I will not name.  I expect I will have to claim at some point and do not want to let anything slip that will endanger this person.

 

Mish, were you able to masonize Cyan last night?  You're still alive, and that's a good sign.

 

I forgot LZM was even in this game. 

[dicetosser1]

i think TG is pretty much confirmed. As rand pointed out scum would have to be VERY lucky to claim they followed WBK to the right person

 

 

I will go with you Tress  vote Darthe

[Songstress]

i think TG is pretty much confirmed. As rand pointed out scum would have to be VERY lucky to claim they followed WBK to the right person

 

I think you're mixing up games, Dice.  WBK isn't in this game, Rand is the mod, and TG has not claimed a power role.

[michellem]

Re: TG, I'm unsure about him, he's still on the scale for me.

 

Peace: I notice you didn't even bother defending yourself from my case on you; hoping something else will take people's attention away from you and forget about you again, as has happened every time you've made a slip this game?

 

 

Tress: No, I was told my action did not work. I'm unsure of that means that I was blocked (Rand has said failed earlier) or if the difference means nothing.

 

 

I am not too happy about going after Darthe; my gut disagrees with my logic there. So I am keeping my vote where it is.

 

But Tress, if Darthe dies and flips town, I will be going after you next.