[BASIC] Elantris Mafia- Town and Basel win!

[Ironeyes]

Official Vote Count:

Random (2): Rand, Kae

Rand (1): John

 

 

Not voting (9): Wwwombat, Basel Gill, Randomh3r0, Despothera, Peacesells, Kaylee, BG, Alanna, Lulz

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Thursday, September 27th, at 5:00 Western Daylight Time (California time).

[peacesells]

 

 

So with the player list looking like it is, and as I am leaning towards believing Basel, I too shall Vote Random, as I said I would if Des came back as town.

 

Kae, do you believe there is the following in this basic game?

 

1 cop

1 doc

1 town vig

1 senser

2 masons

 

Guessing 3 mafia out of 13 players that means 6 out of 10 town have roles? I'm not buying it. Either lolguy or Basel or both are lying.

 

VOTE RANDOM.

 

As I've been saying he and Basel are the top of my list. Him today, Basel tomorrow.

[peacesells]

Lolguy, Despo, Kae, Rand, Random, John, and Basel were on the train. If basel is telling the truth, then he is not mafia. Assuming that Despo and John are really masons which is really likely, they are also out. Kae obviously is not mafia and I know that I am town. Which leaves lolguy and random.

 

vote random

 

Rand, here are my thoughts, since you asked. If for some reason that Basel is actually this overpowered senser role then I would say you were looking to pre-emp any look at you since there were only 3 possibilities and you being one of them. Scummy move imo.

[hazelkrs1]

Vote TRL

 

Oh and I wouldn't say Kae is vetted yet, just so everyone knows. She could be the cop and was protected and targeted with the NK last night, or the mafia team could have withheld their kill to create the wifom that that happened.

 

TRL, Lulz, Kae, and Basel are my top suspects right now

[RandA lThor]

Lolguy, Despo, Kae, Rand, Random, John, and Basel were on the train. If basel is telling the truth, then he is not mafia. Assuming that Despo and John are really masons which is really likely, they are also out. Kae obviously is not mafia and I know that I am town. Which leaves lolguy and random.

 

vote random

 

Rand, here are my thoughts, since you asked. If for some reason that Basel is actually this overpowered senser role then I would say you were looking to pre-emp any look at you since there were only 3 possibilities and you being one of them. Scummy move imo.

 

Well look at it from my perspective, if you knew that I was town an you had just found a way to verify 2 people at on e, wouldnt you share it? If TRL flips mafia, then Basel is most likely telling the truth, but if TRL is town, we know or at least I know that Basel is lying.

[Songstress]

I'm honestly wavering right now... Part of me thinks Des very well could be Godfather. I seriously have a hard time believing there are that many town roles in a basic game of this size, and at least one person is probably lying. If not, the mafia team would have to be positively stacked, balance would be nightmarish, and I doubt Marsh could legitimately call it a basic game. More like a "smaller than usual advanced" game.

 

TRL I believe shot himself in the foot pretty much D1. Play and learn, I suppose...

 

Re: Despo's note about the formatting stuff... I'm a little baffled. I've tried to test it both ways - what Random said he did (copying/pasting one of Marsh's lists of names), and copy/pasting from a QT, to see what the formatting looks like, and I can't get a duplicate result either way. Copy/pasting from Marsh's list of names gives me different font formatting than what Random's post had, and when I tried copy/pasting from a QT, I actually got no formatting copied over at all. However, I know there have been plenty of times when the QT copy/paste has been noticeable, so... I'm doin' it wrong, apparently.

 

Random's caused enough pings without that extra bit to warrant a vote, although it does worry me some that much of that could just be attributed to newbieness.

 

I'd like to hear a little more from some of the quieter folks today before I vote, though.

[Basel Gill]

I'm waiting to hear an answer from Rand on my question before I commit to a vote. I'm getting pings off how pre-emptive he seemed in jumping on my results and breaking them down, without waiting for Kae to tell us what she learned. It reeks of trying to start a Random lynch before a train could form on him. I'm still waiting on an explanation there, Rand.

[Ironeyes]

Official Vote Count:

Random (4): Rand, Kae, Peace, Des

Rand (1): John

 

 

Not voting (7): Songstress, Basel Gill, Randomh3r0, Kaylee, BG, Alanna, Lulz

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Thursday, September 27th, at 5:00 Western Daylight Time (California time).

[Sakaea]

Vote TRL Oh and I wouldn't say Kae is vetted yet, just so everyone knows. She could be the cop and was protected and targeted with the NK last night, or the mafia team could have withheld their kill to create the wifom that that happened. TRL, Lulz, Kae, and Basel are my top suspects right now

 

You just will never trust me no matter what, will you?

 

I'll take suggestions on who to view tonight, I'm leaning towards Lulz or Basel atm.

 

Due to the start of day scene, I would guess the doc protected me last night, so thanks to them.

 

I still want to lynch Random, that hasn't changed.

[Songstress]

I think your instincts are good, Kae. Whoever you decide to view will be of help.

[RandA lThor]

I'm waiting to hear an answer from Rand on my question before I commit to a vote. I'm getting pings off how pre-emptive he seemed in jumping on my results and breaking them down, without waiting for Kae to tell us what she learned. It reeks of trying to start a Random lynch before a train could form on him. I'm still waiting on an explanation there, Rand.

 

From my perspective, assuming that you are telling the truth and assuming that Despo and John are telling the truth about masons which is now most likely true, we see that there are 3 people left, one of who is me and I know that I am town. Therefore, the most likely people who are mafia are lolguy and random, especially random as he has been acting scummy and hasn't claimed anything so far, which is why I shared it. And honestly, random was already under suspicion, I was just sharing another piece of evidence.

[Sakaea]

Thanks Songs

[Sakaea]

Rand, the way you keep saying that "you know you're town" is pinging me. Minor FOS.

[randomh3r0]

Actually Rand, after Despo's WoT on me at night, I did claim in one of my responses. Since it's day now, and I've already got four votes, I'll state it here: I'm Saolin, Vanilla Town. As for acting scummy, still unsure specifically what Despo or Kae are referencing. I admit I've made mistakes with not knowing specific roles and all (and not claiming that as an excuse now that it's day two) but all I've been doing is trying to help Town and case people who ping me. So far my record:

 

Kae, first vote. Claimed cop.

John Snow, second vote. Despo claimed Mason for both.This vote had immediately followed Snow voting for Desp, and pinging me pretty hard, as I had a town read on Desp.

Mish, third vote. Flipped town.

 

So yeah, I've been off a bit for sure. But Despo shared two of those votes, (Kae, Mish) and is still fos'ing Kae, while she claims to have vetted him by viewing last night. We also have lolguy claiming Vig, right? So:

If I'm scum (which I'm not), you lynch me and I flip town, and town basically learn nothing, as Despo has been tunneling me the whole game, and would be wrong a second time in a row.

If Kae is scum, she lied about vetting Despo, and lynching her would reveal one of two things: Despo and Snow are her scum team mates with a convenient Mason claim, or she is the cop, and they're both town also. I'm not saying I want to do this, cop is too powerful to lose if true.

If Basel is scum, then he was lying about how many of his scummie team mates were on the lynch. Since most of the active posters here are suspicious of his claim, I would guess less were on the lynch, possibly lurking successfully so far. If he is telling the truth, then we've got a couple more names to look at:

lolguy, another early and powerful Town claim, which still seems to be pinging Rand hard, and he's (somewhat) vocal about it.

Rand, who keeps saying he's town, and has really been lurking almost the whole game. Also pushed me for a reveal. Perhaps with Despo's help, Mafia sees an easy lynch ahead?

 

Of the above, I'd say lulz and Rand strike me as the odd people out, and as lolguy has claimed a role I wouldn't want to lose as town, my guess is he and Rand are scum team mates just pointing enough fos at each other to stay out of the spotlight.

 

Vote Rand

[John Snow]

Random, if Kae is scum, that doesn't mean me and Des are scum. If Kae, me, and Des are scum, then Basel would have to be too, and that would be one stupid mafia play.

[Sakaea]

Interesting. Strikes me as possible. Rand, response?

[Sakaea]

I love how when I'm the cop, I'm still considered possible scum. Other games, cop claims, everyone goes with it.

[Songstress]

If Kae is scum, she lied about vetting Despo, and lynching her would reveal one of two things: Despo and Snow are her scum team mates with a convenient Mason claim, or she is the cop, and they're both town also. I'm not saying I want to do this, cop is too powerful to lose if true.

 

Those aren't the only options. Kae could be telling the truth and Despo could be a Godfather.

 

Godfather is a heck of a lot more common in basic games than town masons, or a sensor.

[John Snow]

If Kae is scum, she lied about vetting Despo, and lynching her would reveal one of two things: Despo and Snow are her scum team mates with a convenient Mason claim, or she is the cop, and they're both town also. I'm not saying I want to do this, cop is too powerful to lose if true.

 

Those aren't the only options. Kae could be telling the truth and Despo could be a Godfather.

 

Godfather is a heck of a lot more common in basic games than town masons, or a sensor.

 

You know, everyone says that, but in all of the mafia games I've played so far, there has only been one that had a Godfather.

That's including basic and advanced games, too.

[Sakaea]

Ok, according to Basel, there were 2 scum on Mish's lynch.

 

Mish (7): Lulz, Despo, Kae, Rand, Random, John, Basel

 

Lulz claims town Vig.

Despo claims town Mason, I viewed him as town.

I'm the cop.

Rand says he's town, but pings from saying it.

Random claims vanilla town.

John is a Mason with Despo.

Basel claims town sensor.

 

So from that, I think Rand could actually be one of our scum, with Lulz or random being the second. So, still happy with a Random lynch right now, but willing to switch to Basel, with Lulz being my third choice.

[randomh3r0]

I love how when I'm the cop, I'm still considered possible scum. Other games, cop claims, everyone goes with it.

I wasn't saying you are, Kae. I was just stating some observations and possible outcomes at this point.

 

Random, if Kae is scum, that doesn't mean me and Des are scum. If Kae, me, and Des are scum, then Basel would have to be too, and that would be one stupid mafia play.

Yeah, I suppose that's right that it wouldn't make you guys scum, but if she is, then the real cop could've viewed someone else and that information would be very useful, so what would this play be?

 

I think Kae has to be the cop at this point, otherwise we're missing some valuable information.

[Songstress]

If Kae is scum, she lied about vetting Despo, and lynching her would reveal one of two things: Despo and Snow are her scum team mates with a convenient Mason claim, or she is the cop, and they're both town also. I'm not saying I want to do this, cop is too powerful to lose if true.

 

Those aren't the only options. Kae could be telling the truth and Despo could be a Godfather.

 

Godfather is a heck of a lot more common in basic games than town masons, or a sensor.

 

You know, everyone says that, but in all of the mafia games I've played so far, there has only been one that had a Godfather.

That's including basic and advanced games, too.

 

This is my 20th game. Not including the ongoing games, I can recall 6 of them that have had a Godfather, including my first ever game, which was a basic game.

[peacesells]

 

You know, everyone says that, but in all of the mafia games I've played so far, there has only been one that had a Godfather.

That's including basic and advanced games, too.

 

And your vast experience out weighs Tress's? Why are you trying to hide the Godfather possibility?

[John Snow]

You know, everyone says that, but in all of the mafia games I've played so far, there has only been one that had a Godfather.

That's including basic and advanced games, too.

 

And your vast experience out weighs Tress's? Why are you trying to hide the Godfather possibility?

 

I didn't say my experience outweighs Tress's. I said that in my experience, GF's are a lot rarer than people make them out to be.

[RandA lThor]

If Kae is scum, she lied about vetting Despo, and lynching her would reveal one of two things: Despo and Snow are her scum team mates with a convenient Mason claim, or she is the cop, and they're both town also. I'm not saying I want to do this, cop is too powerful to lose if true.

 

Those aren't the only options. Kae could be telling the truth and Despo could be a Godfather.

 

Godfather is a heck of a lot more common in basic games than town masons, or a sensor.

 

You know, everyone says that, but in all of the mafia games I've played so far, there has only been one that had a Godfather.

That's including basic and advanced games, too.

 

pokemon, mirror works as a godfather.

 

Anyways, what that was saying was that godfather is really common, however, I doubt that since Despo is one of the biggest people who bus teammates and does not associate with other teammates at all, which is why I believe his claim. Also, I am with Kae on this one, all of you are doubting an unCCed cop claim, no idea why, no real reason to doubt it.

 

OK, everyone keeps jumping on me because I keep saying I am town. First of all, my initial post about who it might be I was just sharing since I thought I had found something that potentially could have caught two scum. It would be anti-town for me to not share that which is why I did. And I keep saying I am town because that's what makes my find more important, if Basel is telling the truth, then we have caught ourselves two scum. So by lynching random, not only do we see if Basel is telling the truth or not, we have a really good chance of lynching a mafioso. Also, I wasn't the first person to target random as a scumpect, he has been acting like mafia all game, and seems like a good lynch to me. Sorry, I didn't see your claim random, but then, vanilla is the easiest claim you can have, it might be true, but it could just as easily not be true.