[ADVANCED] WOT Mafia: The Great Hunt - GAME OVER!

[RandA lThor]

Yeah, sorry for the bad reveal, I'll try to learn from that. So far nolder is pinging the most to me, more on this later.

[LedZepMan]

I have to say darthe is pinging me the most. His aggressive casing at night didnt help.

 

vote darthe

[bgrishinko]

Fwiw, I thought Rand was Perrin too. That sentence sounds weird.

[Nolder]

Looks like I am in fact going to have to make my case since you guys are all over the place

 

Kind of annoying since it means I basically have to reread the entire thread AGAIN but w/e

[Nolder]

Yeah I'm thinking Mr Snow is scum.

 

Oh and mr Des is playing a bit off his meta. He seems awfully pro town and I always get a scum read on him.

 

You trying something new Des?

 

lol this post is hilarious. How am I supposed to respond to this? Want me to play scummier for you, hehe? You're basically saying I seem more town than usual, which is pretty much the "too townie" technique and one I find to be really weak to try and use. As I said, of course scum are gonna come out trying to look protown just as much as as townies will, so the too town argument is about as null of a tell as it gets.

 

And honestly, I think most honestly just struggle to get good reads on me. Wombat for instance, pretty much always thinks I'm scum, and has never once been right, yet he is a very skilled mafia player. A lot of other players often find me scummy and are wrong. There are exceptions tho- both Ithi and Turin are very good at reading me. Prob cause they know me a bit better than most, but still... I hate being scum in a game where they're town. You notice in BG's game that just ended, I came out pretty strong against Ithi, and was defending a GF fairly heavily day 1, yet Ithi never really thought I was mafia after that? Yet you thought I was, and ended up vig killing me I believe. Thanks for that btw.

 

Anyways, the point is your post kinda stinks. I pretty much always come out trying to show myself as protown, whether I'm mafia or not, but also try to not look too townie cause I have a better chance at avoiding NK's if I have a little bit of dirt on me. You trying to say I look more town than usual, when it's still early in the game, tells me you might be trying to get mafia to target me.

 

Are you one of the Forsaken loose, trying to stir trouble and take out town leaders?

Looked like orchestrated distancing to me

[Nolder]

You are misrepping me. I never once said "I KNOW YOUR META AND YOU ARE PLAYING DIFFERENT"

 

I said, according to other players you're off your meta.

 

So let me get this straight you think I'm scum because I voted someone for the same exact reason multiple other players voted someone, and because i said other people said your meta was off.

 

Right?

 

Lol. Kay. Your logic is irrefutable.

 

I never said that you said that. It is you, in fact, that is misrepresenting what I said.

 

The point is, you really shouldn't have brought my meta up at all, since you have no place to evaluate whether or not I'm off of it, or if someone else is just trumping up bullstuff about me. The more people say something, the more people start to believe it, so you trying to piggyback onto Peace and Darthe just seems uberscummy considering you know next to nothing about how I normally play. It was a really irresponsible move for you to bring that up at all.

 

I think you're scum because you posted a weak bandwagon post on Lenlo, said something scummy and misleading about him "not doing enough townie things" midway during day 1, and then commented on my meta when you have barely played with me. I wouldn't say my logic is irrefutable, but it seems pretty damn solid from my end.

Getting over defensive about meta

[Nolder]

Damn that was a flurry of activity! I got crazy busy with room service (on a wednesday! WTF?!) and then had to run audit, so it looks like I missed out on a lot

 

Unvote

 

Snow's claim at first seemed way too convenient to me, as far as having to find Padan Fain as well, but the part about the Portal Stone ability def makes it a lot more believable, plus it's an easily vettable claim, and apparently we might see evidence of it tonight. Question John: Is it a one time use ability for both day phase AND night phase, as in you get 2 total, or just one that you can use during either phase?

 

I'm honestly thinking No Lynch might be our best option right now, especially considering John might be ending night early, which really would kind of be like extending Day 1 a lot further. Plus, this close to the deadline I don't want to run the risk of speedlynching a power role, considering out of all the roles claimed so far we haven't seen anything like cop or healer.

 

I'm going to catch up a little more tho, and maybe reread again, so more detailed thoughts to follow

bringing up the idea of no lynch

almost never a good course of action IMHO

 

and that's all I'm gonna do until I sleep because I can barely read sentences let alone entire posts right now

[Shinori]

The first neighborizer's ability failed when used on GF.

 

My neighborizing ability failed when used last night on Rand.

 

I wasn't informed why, there is the possibility that I could have been blocked, except considering that both me and the previous neighborizer were told we would fail when our abilities were used on certain people I am heavily suspicious of both players.

 

Just wanted to clarify something really quick:

 

N1 the Neighborizer targets GF, fails

 

N2 the Neighborizer targets you, pulls you into a QT

 

As a result of being an Absorber, you gain the abilty to Neighborize someone once

 

You then use this ability... N2 as well? You were allowed to use the power you absorbed the same night you got it?

 

 

 

Why does no one else find this a little sketchy?

 

 

Yeah I use my absorbed ability the night I absorbed it only. That's how my ability works, whenver someone targets me I can use the ability i was targeted with that night.

 

I'm also liking part of Nolders case against desp.

[Darthe]

I have to say darthe is pinging me the most. His aggressive casing at night didnt help.

 

vote darthe

 

This is OMGUS either meant to draw in votes or taunt. Combined with the self vote which I don't recall being unvoted, this could be indication of a bomb?

[LedZepMan]

And how in the fluck do you get that potential out of my voting pattern? That makes less sense than wiping before you poop. Throw around junk opinions much?

[Gabriel Kross]

No it looks more like an excuse to unvote a team mate.

[LedZepMan]

You talking to me? CuZ i havent unvoted

[Gabriel Kross]

No I am talking about Darthe sewing the seed to be able to unvote you without getting more suspicion pointed at him.

[Darthe]

Why would I Unvote him? I think him mafia.

[Darthe]

And how in the fluck do you get that potential out of my voting pattern? That makes less sense than wiping before you poop. Throw around junk opinions much?

 

Overreaction.

[Darthe]

No I am talking about Darthe sewing the seed to be able to unvote you without getting more suspicion pointed at him.

 

Defending and linking. (still don't like the term but if the shoe fits)

[Gabriel Kross]

Why would I Unvote him? I think him mafia.

 

because you know him mafia as your team mate.

[Gabriel Kross]

No I am talking about Darthe sewing the seed to be able to unvote you without getting more suspicion pointed at him.

 

Defending and linking. (still don't like the term but if the shoe fits)

 

I'm not defending him, I'm calling him your mafia team mate where is your head at? lol

[Darthe]

You poor depraved soul. I have a recommendation for you. Why don't you take your blinders off so that you can actually scum hunt, stop wasting my time, and become useful for once in a game as more than a meatshield?

 

@ALL I am tired of replying to EP and his "casings" and so I will not be doing so anymore. That is all.

 

 

This part is potentially more important. I made my thoughts known during N1 of the game. Just this morning I noticed something, a trend if you will. The only three people that consider me scummy are EP, LZM, and Kae. Three people I had on my scummy list. I would not make much mention of it except that these three continue to beat a dead horse. Call it what you will, I find it to be more than coincidence. Disappointingly obvious though. It is likely that only two of the three are mafia and the other is simply misguided nonetheless.

[Darthe]

1.Wombat JLM

2. John Snow - Rand al'Thor, Town Searcher and Watchmaker, Killed Day 2

3. Peace - Renna, Mafia Vote Thief, Lynched Day 2

4. EP

5. wheeloftime Turin

6. Player

7. Tiinker Nolder

8. BG

9. GF – Claims Hurin, Cop

10. LZM

11. Lenlo - Mat Cauthon, Town Searcher, Killed Night 1

12. Niel

13. Sakaea

14. Nightstrike

15. notbob

16. dicetosser

17. Despo

18. Shinori – Claims Elayne Trakand

19. Sorcha - Nynaeve, Town Healer, Killed Night 1

20. Darthe

21. Rand

22. lolguy

 

Green (town) and Purple (mafia) are my reads on people. Red and Blue are corriner reports. People who aren't highlighted have either not contributed much at all or I have a null read on.

 

Shinori, strange and weak claim but I believe it

EP – Majorly pushing game mechanic talk and third party talk, attacking now confirmed townies

LZM pings a lot, mostly quiet otherwise

WoT13 being quiet

Grandeal Favorite supports mass reveals and tries to lynch Matt quickly but says he believes the claim, claims cop, Hurin

Nightstrike not here much

BG comes from nowhere and pushes John to not use his power

Kae was scummy early

 

My mafia list so far is:

LZM, EP, Kae, BG, and Rand.

 

My town list so far is:

Darthe, Despo, Niel, Nolder, Player, and JLM

 

These are all speculative of course but I feel pretty confident and intend to vote LZM in the morning.

 

Quoting to remind. I also accidentally said N1 and meant N2.

[Sakaea]

I haven't voted you, or said much about you other than you are way off your meta.

 

Not really interested in what you have to say right now, you're being entirely too rude. Been taking Ape lessons? Beat that grass, Darthe

[LedZepMan]

You gonna answer mu question or flail around some more?

[Gabriel Kross]

You poor depraved soul. I have a recommendation for you. Why don't you take your blinders off so that you can actually scum hunt, stop wasting my time, and become useful for once in a game as more than a meatshield?

 

@ALL I am tired of replying to EP and his "casings" and so I will not be doing so anymore. That is all.

 

 

This part is potentially more important. I made my thoughts known during N1 of the game. Just this morning I noticed something, a trend if you will. The only three people that consider me scummy are EP, LZM, and Kae. Three people I had on my scummy list. I would not make much mention of it except that these three continue to beat a dead horse. Call it what you will, I find it to be more than coincidence. Disappointingly obvious though. It is likely that only two of the three are mafia and the other is simply misguided nonetheless.

 

I actually started on you before you mentioned me, but nice attempt to discredit to bad you are wrong again.

[Gabriel Kross]

Up to page 19 on an indepth Darthe case

 

Lenlo sticks out to me, but not as mafia. John Snow may warrant attention later but his train has built extremely quickly and that is a flimsy case, even for day one. It is literally based on what can easily be a wording error. EP is being EP, Dap is a bit pingy but has some good points, and most of the rest of you haven't brought yourself into the limelight except to cast a vote with little comment otherwise.

 

However, two players stick out to me. Despothera is never quite this townie in play and his little back and forth in midthread is pingy to me because he is coming off as.. different. I can't place my finger on how though so until I can figure that out I am going to leave it be.

 

For now, I am going to vote peace. He is either seriously into this game already or something is up with that one.

 

That's nice you case several people and vote someone with 0 suspicion. That you didn't case. Very scummy to prod several people the majority think are off or nsuspicious and subtly buddying up to Desp on the Desp vs Peace thing day 1, while casting suspicion on Desp.

 

 

LZM, to fix your siggy replace the second time it says center with [/center]

 

Doesn't join in on the active discussion

 

/Bored. When you three are done measuring yourselves perhaps one of you could shed some new light, stop bickering with each other, and do something more productive? This conversation really isn't getting anywhere.

 

worthless post almost feels like you know 3 townies are haveing it out.

 

Alrightie then.

 

So fun to be more forward on occasion.

 

oh look more not joining in on active discussion.

 

I think this is right:

 

 

Unofficial Vote Count:

(4) John S - Tink, Peace, Rand, GF

(3) Shinori - John S, Lenlo, Dice, Despo

(1) wot - GF

(1) LZM - wot

(1) Player - LZM

(7) Lenlo - Player, EP, Nightstrike, Sakaea, Shinori, Lenlo, Notbob

(1) Peace - Darthe

 

Not Voting (4): Wombat*, Niel, Sorcha, lolguy

 

but no thoughts?

 

I am interested in the Shinori lynch. I hopped off because I consider peace a better candidate but it seems to have picked up right after.

 

oh look more prodding of the people who have been cased.

 

Okay, I think I'm going to have to go back and case Des tomorrow--he constantly hints at people being the Forsaken, which is not what I'd say the game implies. The game implies more of a hunt for the horn, so I could see Lanfear in it, but that's it.

Yet on multiple occasions he hints at Forsaken. I think he knows something.

 

Actually based on canon and the opening post it'd be safe to assume Ishy and Lanny are lurking in the game. Either as third party or the Mafia team.

 

I stand corrected by me, I did mention third party ONCE but that's hardly pushing the third party angle.

 

My suspects are dap, kae, and shinori. The claim seems weak at best to me. Elayne was hardly even a character in TGS.

 

Really, you were all "WHY YOU NO VOTE PEACE?!" and peace wasn't even a suspect for you by the end of day 1 Darthe you screwed up big time there.

 

Also would like to note you were back in time to vote no lynch to make a majority but you did not very scummy, I did not notice that at the time. Conveniently you go on a "the no lynch was scummy" when you were part of the reason we lost our freebie

 

 

more to come.

[Gabriel Kross]

up to page 35 on this case

 

Nobody is interested in two deaths? That blows.

 

We were all pretty much expecting it from the day 1 talk.

 

The first mistake of D1 was voting no lunch. Jesus that bullshanks vote built in half an afternoon. My suspect list starts there. I'll post more this evening. I have a date ATM.

 

First discredit of the no lynch train he had no thoughts on it when it was going on, or even durring the night. Why the change?

 

Hey I will be LOA for a couple of days for a trip to Wyoming for a psych summit. My apologies about the delay, I may be able and check in on my phone if there is some signal there. In any case, I am placing my vote where I feel it best fits for now unvote vote peace

 

Interesting since after day 1 he was no longer on your list.

 

purposely or could we not reach a decision?

also is it night or day?

 

It is currently night and the D1 no lynch was beyond sketchy. Knowing the roles of five players now it should be easy to analyze so I suggest reading through D1 at the very least.

 

more crying about the no lynch

 

purposely or could we not reach a decision?

also is it night or day?

 

It is currently night and the D1 no lynch was beyond sketchy. Knowing the roles of five players now it should be easy to analyze so I suggest reading through D1 at the very least.

 

You keep saying this Darthe, and I still don't like it.

 

It was semisketchy that we couldn't get the actual "No Lynch" vote to pass, but it wouldn't have been easy anyways with so little time before the deadline.

 

But it WAS the only real option available to us at the time. What would you rather of us done? Why didn't you propose something then?

 

I think you're trying to put out this mock outrage over the no lynch thing to try and earn townie cred. You're seriously jumping up high on my scumdar.

 

I could care less where I am on your scumdar. I was gone that day. Why isn't your concern. However, I made it clear beforehand that no lynch was stupid and I still stand that it was so. I was voting peace a good portion of D1 and we had several candidates at the time whose trains built slowly, some of which could have worked. We also had several pushed claims and then two kills that night. In addition the no lynch train built relatively quickly, around the same speed as Lenlo's if I remember correctly. It obviously was a mafia led decision and had no potential way to work in our favor. Hence..--> Poor decision. As to who we should have went for, I can't say but that does not dismiss it as a lucritive days worth of info.

 

You were there in time to give an opinion, why didn't you? Also no you didn't make it clear before hand I read through the entire thread LLL.

 

purposely or could we not reach a decision?

also is it night or day?

 

It is currently night and the D1 no lynch was beyond sketchy. Knowing the roles of five players now it should be easy to analyze so I suggest reading through D1 at the very least.

 

You keep saying this Darthe, and I still don't like it.

 

It was semisketchy that we couldn't get the actual "No Lynch" vote to pass, but it wouldn't have been easy anyways with so little time before the deadline.

 

But it WAS the only real option available to us at the time. What would you rather of us done? Why didn't you propose something then?

 

I think you're trying to put out this mock outrage over the no lynch thing to try and earn townie cred. You're seriously jumping up high on my scumdar.

 

I could care less where I am on your scumdar. I was gone that day. Why isn't your concern. However, I made it clear beforehand that no lynch was stupid and I still stand that it was so. I was voting peace a good portion of D1 and we had several candidates at the time whose trains built slowly, some of which could have worked. We also had several pushed claims and then two kills that night. In addition the no lynch train built relatively quickly, around the same speed as Lenlo's if I remember correctly. It obviously was a mafia led decision and had no potential way to work in our favor. Hence..--> Poor decision. As to who we should have went for, I can't say but that does not dismiss it as a lucritive days worth of info.

 

I'd like a serious why to this, there wasn't much reason to suspect Peace until he tunneled on Rand, the way it's coming off is you knew more than you should have. Hence->scummy baguette

 

quoted this for proof that I started in on Darthe before he came after me.

 

It was stated from early on that my views on peace were a gut decision based more on meta than play. I use meta a fair bit, after all I am a psychologist. It's kind of our thing. Now, if you would like me to specifically quantify every post that Peace made up until that point I can gladly do so, examining word choice and whatnot to almost no end. However, suffice it to say that he is done and past which leaves me simply.. right. Any fool can look back after being proven and make a big deal of it. I haven't stopped making a big deal of it from the first. Hence..--> The difference. Imaginary misconstructions of me having a tense "tone" or "casing" after several explanations to the contrary are simply unfounded pushes.

 

you did stop making a big deal about Peace, he was completely off your list at the end of day 1, if you are going to pst a list as scum atleast make sure you know who was on your list so you don't stumble over yourself

 

unvote vote no lynch

Unvote: Vote No Lynch

 

If we can skip a phase then we can continue this discussion without fear of deadline looming.

unvote note no lynch

Maybe we could try that. Vote no lynch .

unnvote

vote no lynch

 

Ive just woken and am rushing. I hope that worked

You're lucky you haven't been CC'd otherwise I'd be voting you.

 

 

also for now the safest option is vote no lynch

Well, I was catching up and all ready to vote GF for weird behaviour...and now I see what's up, so much as I hate having to do a no lynch, I shall vote no lynch also.

Well i suppose with no proper info. it's easier, and more useful

 

vote no lynch

Alright test ended. I am here.

 

unvote vote no lynch

 

I still dont like Shinori but ill roll with this for now. And I am still not sure we should end night tonight.

Unvote Vote No Lynch

 

Hurin def makes sense as the cop, but then again mafia could have figured that out as well. If the real cop is still out there, please don't cc, mafia already have enough targets. If GF IS the cop, hopefully he'll be able to clear his name with some investigation results.

 

Speaking of which, I'm actually gonna side with the argument against ending night early. John, at most it buys you one more day, in theory, right? And possibly prevents any NK's from happening. But it also prevents viewings, and other positive NA's that might help us out. Plus, NK's aren't necessarily that bad to deal with, as they limit the pool we have to find scum and such in, and if I'm right about there being multiple anti-town elements, there's also a chance they take each other out instead of town.

Just got back from class.

 

Unvote

 

Vote No lynch

Just woke up. This should amje NL L - 1.

 

vote no lynch

 

Here are all votes for no lynch in order. The first is at 11:30 on Sep 12. The last is on Sep 12 at 5:16... 5 hours 46 minutes for a train of 11-12. Definitely not too quick or anything.

 

and still we did not achieve the majority, yet you could have helped achieve that majority.

 

1.Wombat JLM

2. John Snow - Rand al'Thor, Town Searcher and Watchmaker, Killed Day 2

3. Peace - Renna, Mafia Vote Thief, Lynched Day 2

4. EP

5. wheeloftime Turin

6. Player

7. Tiinker Nolder

8. BG

9. GF – Claims Hurin, Cop

10. LZM

11. Lenlo - Mat Cauthon, Town Searcher, Killed Night 1

12. Niel

13. Sakaea

14. Nightstrike

15. notbob

16. dicetosser

17. Despo

18. Shinori – Claims Elayne Trakand

19. Sorcha - Nynaeve, Town Healer, Killed Night 1

20. Darthe

21. Rand

22. lolguy

 

Green (town) and Purple (mafia) are my reads on people. Red and Blue are corriner reports. People who aren't highlighted have either not contributed much at all or I have a null read on.

 

Shinori, strange and weak claim but I believe it

EP – Majorly pushing game mechanic talk and third party talk, attacking now confirmed townies

LZM pings a lot, mostly quiet otherwise

WoT13 being quiet

Grandeal Favorite supports mass reveals and tries to lynch Matt quickly but says he believes the claim, claims cop, Hurin

Nightstrike not here much

BG comes from nowhere and pushes John to not use his power

Kae was scummy early

 

My mafia list so far is:

LZM, EP, Kae, BG, and Rand.

 

My town list so far is:

Darthe, Despo, Niel, Nolder, Player, and JLM

 

These are all speculative of course but I feel pretty confident and intend to vote LZM in the morning.

 

Oh look there is your post calling me out, I believe you said that this was on N1 in the post way later that, I'[ll quote but it is not.

 

First off, te no lynch train succeeded so you're dead wrong there. Secondly, I list you because you play pathetically and ping, not because of your simplistic casin on me. Thirdly I did not refer to the death of John and no lynch in the same post because I do not consider them connected and your misconstruation of it is obviously intentional. Fourth it states that a person was taken by a damane and then we have a death in the aforementioned manner. Ie: related. Fifth I didn't relate the deaths in any other way. Is there anything else you would like to be wrong about?

 

Trying to tell me I am wrong very laughable because I was not. Oh and here he admits that I was onto him before he listed me.