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Christine Spam Master

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Not many people are online now are they? I suspect peace will get an earful when they get back though

 

Lol probably. But that there is a perfect example of a fence sitting post.

 

 

Did you just admiit to the QT. Me thinks you di

 

Where could you possible derive that from?

 

 

You just admitted that you will get an earful when your teammates log on. Smooth.

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peacesells Veteran

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Not many people are online now are they? I suspect peace will get an earful when they get back though

 

Lol probably. But that there is a perfect example of a fence sitting post.

 

 

Did you just admiit to the QT. Me thinks you di

 

Where could you possible derive that from?

 

 

You just admitted that you will get an earful when your teammates log on. Smooth.

 

No I agreed that other players in this game may have a lot to say about my positions. As they always do with the vocal players.

peacesells Veteran

peacesells

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No just on my phone. Give me an hour or so

 

Ok, so no back peddle for saying you "know I'm not town." Does your scum team really want you to trade one scum for one town?

peacesells Veteran

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No scum team on this thread or back pedaling foor me. Your actions are why i think yyou are scum

 

But I thought you KNEW I was scum. The back peddle starts now.

Red2111 Spam Master

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bloody buttered onions and goat turds. i get rained out by a hurricane and come back to 22 pages o.0

 

 

mothers milk in a cup. i'll try to catch up on this, but dont expect much from me until middle of next week sometime. catching up form a mid week 3 day blasted hurricane is a PITA at work.

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LilyElizabeth Spam Master

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I really think that many people just say something is a "null tell" when they are looking to bury or dismiss a thought. Then later they just say we already decided that wasn't important. And it frequently works as the groundwork was already laid out.

 

I like this post.

hazelkrs1 Spam Master

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Sweet! The game is in finally in midswing!

 

*nudges Led and whispers*

 

DPR's over the hill...

 

*nodnod*

 

 

I'm sorry if it came across that way to you, but I tried to be very clear that I was suspicious of Bob, just not enough to vote him yet. I'm still far more suspicious of Peace for not wanting to really discuss it at all.

 

Here's what I don't like about this post: She's trying to make it seem like she never defended NotBob, but she was the one herself who used her understanding of the game setup to basically show NotBob's statement as being a towny statement, cause Lily had just shown suspicion of NotBob. Yet now she's trying to pass it off as if she's still suspicious of NotBob. Then why would she have initially defended him, if she found the same thing he did that Lily noticed to be questionable as well? We're also gonna come back to this in just a moment

 

*nudges Led and whispers*

 

DPR's over the hill...

 

*nodnod*

 

 

I'm sorry if it came across that way to you, but I tried to be very clear that I was suspicious of Bob, just not enough to vote him yet. I'm still far more suspicious of Peace for not wanting to really discuss it at all.

 

 

FoS everything about the bold. Apologizing in mafia? Seriously? Sounds like scum trying to seem town neutral.

 

There was a heavy dose of sarcasm in that bolded part. Thus the "to you" at the end.

 

A "heavy dose" of sarcasm? Doesn't seem that heavy to me, unless you're perhaps British or Japanese or some other culture which doesn't express their emotions very obviously. It first comes across as being polite, even in retrospect if it has some sarcasm in there (or what I would call passive-aggressiveness, any apology which is predicated on the subject's perception of said offense is passive aggressive), there's really only a smidgeon of sarcasm there.

 

I really think that many people just say something is a "null tell" when they are looking to bury or dismiss a thought. Then later they just say we already decided that wasn't important. And it frequently works as the groundwork was already laid out.

 

Good point. Incidentally, while we're on the subject, I might as well give my thoughts on the whole "null tell" fiasco:

 

I don't like that Kate used a thesaurus to try and support her argument against Peace. A thesaurus lists synonyms, and while two words may be synonomous, they may not have the same definition.

 

When Peace first dropped the "null tell" statement, he was using it to illustrate that Wombat's post could have either been townie making a pro-town statement, or mafia trying to look town by making a pro-town statement. While I generally agree that this can be seen as a null tell, honestly I find that people that seem to be trying to appear town day 1 are usually mafia. Wombat essentially said something which boils down to "Let's do something which will help town win", which is the defnition of trying to appear town.

 

That being said, this is all concerning a player not even in our game This being a DPR game, we probably don't need to complicate matters more by casing or arguing about players in the other thread. I realize this can potentially help us find out some info about players in this thread by association, but since we can't lynch or truly pressure people from the other thread we might as well just keep the focus here imo.

 

 

HOLY SMOKES!

 

Sorry, my WoT got interrupted because I was jumping through hoops of fire for a guest. Made $300 off of him (my first whale :biggrin:) but man oh man did he make me earn it. Bleurgh I'm gonna have to reread my post just to remember what all I was thinking lol.

 

Verb answered twice, actually. I know. I asked him about it both times (the first time, for the info, the second time, more for clarification.)

 

You didn't answer my question about whether it was useful or useless information, though... and, if the information is empty or amounting to zero, I guess it would be useless information, eh?

 

So let's see. Peace has:

 

A. Accused one person (Kate) of twisting his words while simultaneously twisting her words, namely the aforementioned bit of turning not wanting to discuss it into trying to dictate the conversation.

2. Attempted to dictate the conversation himself by doing what he could to kill discussion on the Not Bob/Womby thing.

III. Misrepresented the facts on Verbal by saying Verb never answered? Or just somehow missed Verb's reply... twice?

d. Evaded a direct question on whether the info was useless or not, at least till just now when it became clear Kate wouldn't let the issue go till she got an answer on this issue. At which point it became obvious even to the scum team that further refusal to answer would just seal his doom, I am guessing.

 

Points A, III, and d seem valid to me (I like your numbering system btw :laugh:), but I don't really think the bolded is true at all. I don't think he's been trying to kill the discussion at all, in fact he's been very responsive to everything brought up about it, where as he could have just ignored it all together, would have done a much better job at "killing" the discussion.

 

I also think Peace's "slip" wasn't a slip as some think, and in fact was him referring to the other players in the game as he said. And btw, we we're just talking in a recent game about how phrases like "I bet they're yelling at you in the QT", and "lemme just say the word scummy a bunch of times in reference to this guy till people buy it", are cop out scumhunting techniques and they really don't help much in catching scum. I find it hard to believe that using the 'ol "I bet your teammates are giving you hell in the QT" thing would really work on Peace if he was mafia.

 

Thing is, the one game I've been in where Peace was mafia, he wasn't nearly this active day 1, and I just don't think he's mafia this game. He's gotten a lot of pressure over stuff, but something tells me that some of the people helping to heap pressure on are mafiosos themselves. More on this in my next post.

 

... Which is gonna be a while, running audit now.

Ithillian Turambar Spam Master

Ithillian Turambar

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CURRENT VOTE COUNT

 

 

NotBob ( 1 ) - Verb

Lily ( 1 ) - Despo

Peace ( 3 ) - Basel, Kate, Player

Basel ( 1 ) - Peace

 

 

With 17 Players, It Takes 9 To Lynch.

 

 

Deadline is at 3pm on Tuesday, in a Timezone I'm not too sure about.

hazelkrs1 Spam Master

hazelkrs1

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My opinion from last night hasn't changed much on Kate's defensiveness.

 

Don't really like this post. Seems like a fill in the blank post from a mafia member trying to appear semi-active while not offering new thoughts. It also made me think of someone else who posted something which strikes a similar chord with me:

 

Indeed, both of you. Have at it

 

This was in reference to Peace and Kate going at eachother. Basically I think that we may have a case of two townies fighting eachother about something pretty much inconsequential, while a few others lie in the wings egging them and others on. Lily seemed to be doing this as well earlier, and since I brought her up I might as well present my case on her:

 

*is envious of Leelou and Verbal. Looks for Basel....*

I am here. *snuggles Lily and pats lap invitingly*

*sits in Basel's lap*

 

Thanks, Wes. That makes things much clearer.

 

*checks Basel's pockets for mafia insignia ring*

 

So here we have Lily's first few posts. Obv since Basel and Lily are bonded, it's not out of the ordinary at all for them to snuggle a bit at first, but at the same time, Lily's last comment about checking for a mafia insignia ring does kinda look like one of those wink wink nudge nudge mafia to mafia moments on thread. However, this isn't the only connection between Lily and Basel, but I'll come back to that a bit later.

 

Peace lays out his view of what the setup is like, and then Lily posts this:

 

Is Peace right, DPR?

 

I'm not a fan of player's using other's thoughts and posts as a kind of shield, and we get MANY examples of it this game. This example right here is innocuous enough, but I'm referencing it as I notice it becomes a common theme with several players.

 

I think I may have found scum already. Not Bob pointed out in the other thread that a post by Wombat over there looked scummy. The scum over there is Team Fatima! Why would someone on the Town Team Fatima point something like that out? Answer - they wouldn't. He must be part of team Javier's mafia.

Okay. I agree with Lily. Major FOS on NotBob...whose name I already dislike. I can't pronounce NSDFKJSDGJ.

 

It took me a second to wrap my brain around it, but I think I'm getting used to the idea of the two teams, with subteams. I like this idea of a smaller game being a part of a larger game. It's unique. DPR's done it again.

 

Wombat's post definitely seemed to say that he is pro-mafia here - he wants townies here dead. Indicating him town over there.

 

NotBob - why would you call him scummy? What he did over there seemed to be a very pro-town over there move.

 

I like to screw with Wombat because lately Wombat has been doing the same.

 

If I could vote his lynch I would.

 

So - you meta FOSed him?

 

And - why would you vote for his lynch? Voting for his lynch is not really a "messing with him" thing to do when he's the only one to have done anything pro-town. I have never seen you around (I've been a bit lurky on DM myself) so I can't say one way or the other how much Wombat has been messing with you, etc.

 

My only issue is that NotBob has put himself against Wombat. Wombat has put himself against the town here. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Ergo, NotBob should be my friend. Yes? I'm still wrapping my brain around this two teams, 4 sub-team stuff. This is what I've gathered from this.

 

Town A

Mafia B

 

Town B

Mafia A

 

 

Wombat essentially claims Town A. Wants Mafia A to kill power Town B rolls. NotBob calls Wombat scummy, essentially placing himself on the B roster. Yet, he's in our game, thus making him Town B.

 

But I'm not sure I'm buying that. What Wombat said was the exact opposite of scummy.

Kate, you summed it up nicely. I'd like to hear what Not Bob has to say about it, if he has more to say. I think that's the best place to lay a vote down now.

 

Vote Not Bob

O.o

 

But if you think I summed it up nicely... wouldn't you also agree that this seems to indicate that NotBob is Town? I have my own suspicions of gambit due to the strange meta claim, but that is mostly an "in my head" sortof thing. The "hard" evidence says that NotBob is town. I don't want to vote for town.

I meant the Town A Mafia B stuff.

 

I'm more interested in why Not Bob thought it seemed scummy.

I'm hoping that he has more to say. I'm not stuck on this vote. If someone wants to give me something better to vote, I'll do it.

Arez, why are you sticking up for Not Bob?

 

Okay, I have processed it all now. (I get distracted a lot.) He did say that, which I'd forgotten to add into the equation. I'm going to Unvote for now.

 

Unvote

*Feels silly. Goes back to Basel's lap and shuts up*

 

 

 

I STRONGLY urge everyone to read this little passage of quotes, even if you skip all of the rest of my WoT's, because this is why I originally voted Lily.

 

Basically, Lily FOS's NotBob for scumhunting on the other thread, because scumhunting over there means he's anti-town over here. Initially, Kate agrees that NotBob's post looks strange, but then after considering the setup (the enemy of my enemy is my friend, that business), she concludes that basically looking at the "hard" evidence, NotBob looks town.

 

Lily then goes "Yeah, Kate said it well. Vote NotBob" (remember what I said about touting what others have said so that you yourself aren't incriminated?). Kate is perplexed by that, because her reasoning shows that NotBob would seem to be more town. Lily then acts confused, and says she was talking about the Town A, Mafia B stuff. But that stuff is exactly what Kate had used to reason that NotBob is prob town.

 

:huh:

 

Lily then says she still wants to hear more from NotBob, but would be willing to change her vote if "someone" gives her something better to vote for. See the trend here? Lily is trying to get others to lead lynches for her. Kinda obvious why I think this is scummy.

 

She then says she was confuzzled about it all, then unvotes and retreats to Basel's lap. Hmmmm....

 

Right after that, Peace comes in with this:

 

Scum team Lily and Basel.

 

Basel counters with:

 

Scum team Lily and Basel.

 

So having a hot woman on your lap makes you and her both scum? :dry: Are you jealous that no one is on your lap this game? And Lily is hardly the only one flirting with someone.

 

Very odd that Basel reacts in this manner, defensive enough for the both of them. I know they're bondeds, but still... it seems a little strange. And the fact that Basel later calls Peace out for OMGUS'ing, when Peace in fact was the first to FOS Basel, also tends to make me think Basel and Lily are teammates.

 

 

 

 

More thoughts on the way

hazelkrs1 Spam Master

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Man oh man, I can see why some peeps hate playin with me :laugh:

 

Okay, back to business:

 

I dont trust you peace. Im watching you

Player edited, he is totally town. Y'all better leave him alone. :wink:

I realised we could and wondered how people would react

 

Player put out kind of a lazy FOS on Peace initially. I mean, does it REALLY need to be said that you don't trust someone in a mafia game? Come on. He edits, which I don't really think is that significant, and John Snow jokingly points it out, which prompts Player to say that his edit was intentional; for reactions?

 

:wacko:

 

Okay, I have given this some careful thought. I am suspicious of Bob, because of the thing with Womby. But I am going to vote Peace. I don't like how he seems to be trying to brush things off which look like important developments as a bunch of WIFOM and make them seem less significant than they probably are.

 

Basel is basically parroting what Kate has been saying about Peace, plus he is building up the whole NotBob/Wombat thing as if it is an "important development". Uhm, I really don't see it as that at all. It helped kickstart the game into gear, so that's good, but it was hardly an important development.

 

I think I may have found scum already. Not Bob pointed out in the other thread that a post by Wombat over there looked scummy. The scum over there is Team Fatima! Why would someone on the Town Team Fatima point something like that out? Answer - they wouldn't. He must be part of team Javier's mafia.

 

Well, it's good logic but scum often do things to appear town. So, imo it's a null tell. Need more evidence.

 

Who are you saying looks like scum?

 

At this point, I dislike that Lily calls out NotBob (omg...you MUST get a new name. NotBob is just lame. Lame, I tell you.) for doing an action that indicates he "must be on Javier's mafia." In fact, the action makes NotBob NOT look like he's on the mafia team here. I agree that NotBob looks odd for calling Wombat scummy, but his actions of going against Wombat indicates that he is town.

Verb - why are you voting NotBob? "Physical" evidence points that he is town.

 

I guess it is a matter of perspective. If NotBob is scumhunting on the other thread with Wombat, then he is for the town there - making him scum for us. If he is helping scum there by trying to get a train going on a townie Wombat, then he's for the scum there - making him town for us.

 

Either way, you can't say which direction it is unless you're in communication with NotBob and know his exact intentions.

 

So I disagree with the statement that evidence points to him being town here. It says neither, because we don't know his intentions.

 

I wanted to quote this for reference, since Peace is obviously not the only player who thinks the NotBob situation is really kind of a nulltell. Verb doesn't come out and say this, but he's basically saying what Kate presented earlier doesn't clear or condemn NotBob, which both I and Peace seem to agree with

 

You kinda sound cornered Kate. Aggressively defensive one could say...

Not many people are online now are they? I suspect peace will get an earful when they get back though

 

Here's a couple of funny quotes: Player quickly goes from supporting the case on Kate... to supporting the case on Peace. The manner in which he does both is kinda funny too, it just seems like he's using cop-out mafia techniques to try to make both Kate AND Peace look bad.

 

Step 1: Say player X is defensive

 

Step 2: Joke about player Y getting yelled at by teammates, then try to say player Y slips.

 

Step 3: Laugh with mafia teammates as X and Y battle each other.

 

So, in conclusion, I think Kate and Peace are both town at this point. Both have exhibited some odd behavior at times, I agree, but in general both are trying to actively scumhunt, and don't let others buddy up to them.

 

I think Lily is mafia, because of what I already presented about her, and I think we prob have a good chance at catching mafia from either people connected to her (Basel), or other people who seemed to be using her tactic of pitting other players against each other. LZM and Player were the most blatant about this, but Leelou seemed to have a hand in this as well.

 

 

Lily

Basel

LZM

Player

Leelou

 

There just HAS to be some scum, I'd bet a few, in this group right here.

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Sometimes I wonder if drunk mafia is excuse for nonsensical posts, so that later they don't have to respond because technically they already posted about it. But it's excused because, well, it's "drunk mafia" right?

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