Say The Worst Possible Thing Happens...

[Luckers]

... say Cadsuane dies (I'm being flippant of course, Cadsuane's death sits on the probable side of likely, and could even be epic). Who gets her ter'angreal?

 

I was thinking maybe Alivia might be a strong candidate. Moiraine would be another, though for mostly romantic reasons, and I still fear a 'too-cool-for-school' problem with her in aMoL...

 

Siuan is a third. She always wanted a life of adventure, and never got a convenient superangreal, so it might sit well on her.

 

What do you guys reckon.

[FarShainMael]

I'm already wondering if Alivia tried to steal Nyn's kit at the Cleansing, so it wouldn't surprise me to see her getting her hands on Cadsuane's!

[Shig]

Maybe eggy? She may end up being a bit of a battle-amyrlin, the green has had a few in the past(although personally i think that she'll be something of a general/commander type thing). Alivia is definitely a strong candidate as cads is likely to be near rand in the last battle/during the planning phase, and Alivia is clinging to rand. It may even just go to the head of the green ajah as in the white tower she is the top...female dog...in regards to the fight against the shadow(other than the amyrlin) and will likely play a large role in the planning of using channelers (at least the aes sedai) in the last battle. Can't actually remember who is head of the green atm, what ended up happening when the tower reunified, did myrelle or the other woman stand down?

 

Im really hoping that in aMoL we have maybe a paragraph or a few lines at least where we (through rand hearing the info) are told by egwene that the white tower has gathered all of their angreal/sa'angreal and maybe even the useful ter'angreal in order to aid in powering larger combat weaves and allowing for larger numbers to be healed. Might be an idea for them to start gathering the goodies from tear/rhuidean if they haven't already.

[shortkut]

she would give it to someone she trusts or those close to her wouldn't let just anyone take them. i'm guessing Ny gets them she decides what to do with them...

 

alternate theory 1: sorilea evil, kills cads, takes them. now she can actually channel a useful amount.

2: sorilea is good and takes them and kicks some ass before her death

[Barid Bel Medar]

Hmm, good question, I can think of a few candidates.

 

In no particular order.

 

Egwene - Amyrlin plus she likes fighting. We have a lot of evidence she will play a similar role to Shadar Nor (not debating the soul, just similar role). She learns from Seanchan, whips up some Whitecloaks in tDR, smacks down a bunch of Seanchan in the Tower etc.. Not to mention the similarities between her and Shadar Nor. I think she will be going all out battle Amyrlin on Shadowspawn. She isn't really a general, but she is a damn good fighter compared to any Aes Sedai. (She also wanted Green Ajah). So I could see her aquiring them for protection because she is Amyrlin, but also for some major smackdown on Dreadlords, Shadowspawn, possibly even one of the Forsaken.

 

Nynaeve - Kind of like Cadsuane sees her as her protoge, thats how I saw their relationship. Plus the whole Nynaeve wanting them, being jealous so showing off her own set, I can see it being passed on to her.

 

Moiraine - Less likely, and only because she is the whole legendary Shadow Killer. No real reason to suspect Moiraine would get Cadsuane's stuff, she barely knows Cadsuane, and hasn't been around, (and unlike Egwene, has no real power beyond respect for her + knowledge of Finns, but I don't think that has anything to do with Cadsuane's collection)

 

Alivia - Because she is somehow connected, and why not? No real reason to assume Alivia would inherit them, she isn't really buddies with Cadsuane and a former damane. Only real reason is because she is around and supposed to do something important.

 

Nobody - Could also be that Cadsuane gets messed up pretty badly, and heroically. Like your typical "leave me behind" scenario where she saves everyone helping them escape or holding some crucial checkpoint like Jain, so they don't have time to get it back. Or she gets obliterated by mass balefire or destruction that they are destroyed or lost.

 

 

Edit: Good one about Sorilea, forgot her. Done out of mutual respect, or knifes Cadsuane and steals them. A good person to use them efficiently in any case.

[Luckers]

I've wondered before if one of her unknown ter'angreal may not be a anti-forsaken one. It'd make as much sense as any of the others, given when they were made. So maybe one of the Forsaken kills Cadsuane, goes to take them, and gets crispy fried.

 

/random conjecture.

[Barid Bel Medar]

I've wondered before if one of her unknown ter'angreal may not be a anti-forsaken one. It'd make as much sense as any of the others, given when they were made. So maybe one of the Forsaken kills Cadsuane, goes to take them, and gets crispy fried.

 

/random conjecture.

 

That's funny, because I was thinking to myself, Graendal for some reason. I can just picture her wanting the jewellery, and it would go well with her character, hedonist gets killed by her own desire kinda thing. Not sure if I would like the anti-Forsaken thing, sounds kinda random. I could see ways to explain it, like it picks up on the Chosen Mark, or anti-True Power or somehow picks up the "taint" of the Shadowsworn. If not an actual part of the ter'angreal, maybe her greed for them leads to her being killed. Like she is trying to loot them off Cadsuane, then gets owned because she isn't careful.

[Treebeard]

Dosent she syas that she is in huge debt to Sorelia , maybe she give her Ter, angreals to her , as to Cads death i can only say : NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Luckers]

I've wondered before if one of her unknown ter'angreal may not be a anti-forsaken one. It'd make as much sense as any of the others, given when they were made. So maybe one of the Forsaken kills Cadsuane, goes to take them, and gets crispy fried.

 

/random conjecture.

 

That's funny, because I was thinking to myself, Graendal for some reason. I can just picture her wanting the jewellery, and it would go well with her character, hedonist gets killed by her own desire kinda thing. Not sure if I would like the anti-Forsaken thing, sounds kinda random. I could see ways to explain it, like it picks up on the Chosen Mark, or anti-True Power or somehow picks up the "taint" of the Shadowsworn. If not an actual part of the ter'angreal, maybe her greed for them leads to her being killed. Like she is trying to loot them off Cadsuane, then gets owned because she isn't careful.

 

The anti-chosen mark thing was pretty much what I meant--though the TP, or perhaps the black threads work just as well. Remember Cadsuane's ter'angreal were made during the Breaking by a woman who was expecting to be attacked at any moment. A large part of that would be aimed at men, but the Chosen and the Shadow were still a threat, and potentially one such a skilled ter'angrealist would prepare for.

 

As I said random conjecture, though not entirely baseless. And there are three unknown ter'angreal left in her set--two fish and a crescent moon (possibly a fourth, in the second unmentioned star, though its inferred that Cadsuane knows the use of that)--I'm half convinced one guards against the effects of ta'veren based on that glib little comment about it in CoT (it would be very like RJ, and would caste amusing light on Rand's certainty that his ta'maral'ailen could kill Cadsuane in tGS)

 

Edit: And I had Graendal in mind too. Lol.

[Vardar]

I'd hope whoever killed her had enough hate/respect for her to balefire that ass. I mean, what else can take her out? Indirect attacks would be rather useless, so...

 

 

Wait, can those Ter,angreal block balefire? (Ny's Cads' and Mat's)

[bcspeer]

Ny's and Cads' should be able to unravel balefire. Mat's can probably unravel a saidar woven balefire. I can't remember if he can block saidin. Balefire won't even be able to kill Cadsuane, she would stand there with her hands on her hips and the balefire would get scared and go away

[Suttree]

Ny's and Cads' should be able to unravel balefire. Mat's can probably unravel a saidar woven balefire. I can't remember if he can block saidin. Balefire won't even be able to kill Cadsuane, she would stand there with her hands on her hips and the balefire would get scared and go away

 

Yes Mat's can also block Saidin...

[Vardar]

Ny's and Cads' should be able to unravel balefire. Mat's can probably unravel a saidar woven balefire. I can't remember if he can block saidin. Balefire won't even be able to kill Cadsuane, she would stand there with her hands on her hips and the balefire would get scared and go away

 

Sutt is correct Mat's does both, he asked for protection from the Power, not Sadiar.

 

I'm still wondering if Balefire counts as a weave, although maybe Perrin's statement is foreshadowing that it's just a weave. I always thought balefire was a OH SNAP, GET OUT OF THE WAY deal, not Oh, SLICE THE WEAVE thing.

 

Still, I hope she has an epic death that destroys everything attached to her!

[Morsker]

Cadsuane was always out in the world, not focused on White Tower internal politics, and made good use of the ter'angreal. They'd be a complete waste on Egwene. They should go to someone out and adventuring on her own, who needs the extra edge, especially against male channelers.

 

I think Pevara is most appropriate on those grounds, especially if she becomes an ambassador to the Black Tower later, or part of a group that hunts rogue channelers of both genders. I just can't think of any plot-related way to get the ter'angreal to her.

[Luckers]

In regards to my original point, here's an interesting thought I'm just going to throw out there... what about Fortuona.

 

Wait, can those Ter,angreal block balefire? (Ny's Cads' and Mat's)

 

It depends on whether balefire is a weave or the effect of a weave. The fact that the beam of the balefire always originates with the channeler and shoots out, and yet maintaining a connection with the origin point in a stream might suggest that it is an effect--the channeling creates something that causes the balefire to shoot out, in much the same way that with lightning, the channeling excites and aims the electrons, but the thing that does the actual damage, the lightning, is not actually the One Power.

 

It could go either way though.

[GB]

given that nyn has a set of ter'angreal already, as much as i would love for her to get it, I think more likely it would go to someone else, maybe egwene during the last battle, something like the Amyrlin needs to have the best protection and Cads hasnt still met egwene, she has yet to form an opinion of her and maybe cads decides to part with the set or dies and her set goes to egwene

 

other candidates could be siuan or moiraine

 

+1 for pevera though unlikely

[joeron bigelow]

Ny's and Cads' should be able to unravel balefire. Mat's can probably unravel a saidar woven balefire. I can't remember if he can block saidin. Balefire won't even be able to kill Cadsuane, she would stand there with her hands on her hips and the balefire would get scared and go away

 

Sutt is correct Mat's does both, he asked for protection from the Power, not Sadiar.

 

I'm still wondering if Balefire counts as a weave, although maybe Perrin's statement is foreshadowing that it's just a weave. I always thought balefire was a OH SNAP, GET OUT OF THE WAY deal, not Oh, SLICE THE WEAVE thing.

 

Still, I hope she has an epic death that destroys everything attached to her!

I thought Mat's amulet does NOT block Saidin, as Rahvin lightning bolted his ass in FoH. Rand made the comment that his ammy doesnt stop a mans channelling...or something like that?

 

Mat asked to be rid of AS, not protection from the power. I don't know if AS specifically meant man or woman to the snakes/foxes, but to mat it meant female.

[Morsker]

I thought Mat's amulet does NOT block Saidin, as Rahvin lightning bolted his ass in FoH. Rand made the comment that his ammy doesnt stop a mans channelling...or something like that?

Rand was wrong; it's one of the more obvious cases of an unreliable narrator, which lets us speculate wildly about other times the narration could be unreliable...The foxhead later works against Hamila channeling saidin.

[Suttree]

Ny's and Cads' should be able to unravel balefire. Mat's can probably unravel a saidar woven balefire. I can't remember if he can block saidin. Balefire won't even be able to kill Cadsuane, she would stand there with her hands on her hips and the balefire would get scared and go away

 

Sutt is correct Mat's does both, he asked for protection from the Power, not Sadiar.

 

I'm still wondering if Balefire counts as a weave, although maybe Perrin's statement is foreshadowing that it's just a weave. I always thought balefire was a OH SNAP, GET OUT OF THE WAY deal, not Oh, SLICE THE WEAVE thing.

 

Still, I hope she has an epic death that destroys everything attached to her!

I thought Mat's amulet does NOT block Saidin, as Rahvin lightning bolted his ass in FoH. Rand made the comment that his ammy doesnt stop a mans channelling...or something like that?

 

Mat asked to be rid of AS, not protection from the power. I don't know if AS specifically meant man or woman to the snakes/foxes, but to mat it meant female.

 

Mat's amulet does block saidin. What it doesn't block is the indirect result of a weave, much like a rock picked up and thrown at him. In this case it was a lightning bolt called down which hit Mat, not the actual weave itself.

[joeron bigelow]

ok well paint me blue and call me betty, but how did mat get lightning bolted if his amulet blocks the power? I've read FoH more than any other book in the world...I love it because Failes not in it, but anyway...yes?

 

I vaguely recall that Halima thing...maybe it was a mistake. haha.

[joeron bigelow]

Ok i get it...now i recall, the old AS threw dog poop at him with the power. thanks, now I am complete.

[joeron bigelow]

but isnt the bolt the weave? if this is explained somewhere else, please just give me a link so i stop obsessing here.

[Morsker]

It's supposed to be because the lightning isn't made of One Power weaves; the OP sets it up but it doesn't have to touch the target to do so. This does run into problems with why didn't they just lightning the gholam, and I don't think there's an answer to that. Lighting doesn't require a lot of space to setup; when Nynaeve fireballs Rhavin in a hallway, she thinks in hindsight that lightning would have been better.

[Suttree]

but isnt the bolt the weave? if this is explained somewhere else, please just give me a link so i stop obsessing here.

 

The bolt is not a weave. It is just natural lightning that the weave calls down...

 

Interview: Apr 5th, 1996

 

Balticon XXX - Bill Garrett (Paraphrased)

 

Robert Jordan

 

 

Mat's amulet blocks both saidin and saidar. Jordan answered this one straight-out when asked. He pointed out that the amulet only blocks actual weavings of the One Power, not the physical effects that could be caused by a weaving. For example, Elayne was able to use the One Power to hurl a rock at Mat. Rahvin was able to create a bolt of lightning which struck Mat. (Jordan noted that Mat's death by lightning and subsequent undoing of his death when Rand balefired Rahvin, fulfills a prophecy about living, dying, and then living again.)

 

 

As an aside the amulet also protects Mat's dreams in a similar manner to how Rand wards his.

[thisguy]

It's supposed to be because the lightning isn't made of One Power weaves; the OP sets it up but it doesn't have to touch the target to do so. This does run into problems with why didn't they just lightning the gholam, and I don't think there's an answer to that. Lighting doesn't require a lot of space to setup; when Nynaeve fireballs Rhavin in a hallway, she thinks in hindsight that lightning would have been better.

Huh?! Good thinking. Now, I'm kinda pissed off.