Olver = Gaidal Cain???

[moldham]

I read on the internet RJ said they are not one in the same... but come on it seems so perfect

can anyone clarify whether if he is 100% not the respun Gaidal?

[RandA lThor]

He is definitely not, because RJ said and because of the time period difference.

[Gabriel Kross]

^this

[moldham]

cool thanks man. It also said there is speculation it will be one of Rand & Elaynes kids? that would be wild lol

[RandA lThor]

well, Gaidal dissapeared before they... but I used to like this theory

[Gabriel Kross]

cool thanks man. It also said there is speculation it will be one of Rand & Elaynes kids? that would be wild lol

 

the brother and sister theory is my favorite (forget their names)

[RandA lThor]

yeah, that would be nice, that is also what i think, funny that someone bound to the pattern gives birth to another bound by the pattern

[Ludo]

I think one of the Asha'man with Perrin, mentioned his wanting to see his baby boy, and that he was not exactly a cute baby.

 

That is who I think Gaidal was respun as.

[moldham]

I think one of the Asha'man with Perrin, mentioned his wanting to see his baby boy, and that he was not exactly a cute baby.

 

That is who I think Gaidal was respun as.

 

ya I think I remember that, that could be but it would lack the wow factor that would be there if it was one of elaynes kids.

[RandA lThor]

yes, that is also another popular theory, and i think that is the most possible option of someone who has been talked about before

[RandA lThor]

A Warder loving one of her Aes Sedai's kids?

[b3arz3rg3r]

I think it's an unwritten law of WOT fandom that the Olver = Gaidal theory will never die. That one has been debunked for more than ten years I believe and it's still somehow surviving. Although surviving is the wrong expression. It's quite dead, but it refuses to stay in its grave and keeps coming up trying to eat our brains.

[RandA lThor]

Kind of reminds me of taimandred

[Barid Bel Medar]

ahh, Olver=Cain, I swear everyone who is new to the forums comes up with this. No shame in it, it is not an unpopular theory for the new people.

 

However, it is completely impossible. Gaidal was still in TAR, he was summoned by the Horn at Falme. Olver is like 6 at this point. Making it impossible.

 

Also, Grady's kid is too old, he is around 4 (by Rand's estimate) in LoC. Even if Rand has got it wrong, there is no way he is young enough to be Cain.

 

One of the Twins (elayne's) cannot be Cain, he is already reborn. The twins are pretty much Calian and Shiva, heralds of the New Age.

[RandA lThor]

Right that was our other theory

[Guest Bard-of-Dungbriar]

What?!?!

 

NOOO!!!!

 

If Olver is not Gaidal Cain than I can see no thematic purpose for inventing either character. This is the first time I have absolutely disapproved of Jordan. He could have just left it up to interpretation... or maybe not dropped so many "sly" hints that Olver was him... or maybe not practically come out and have the characters break the fourth wall to throttle us with the obviousness of it...

[Ludo]

Also, Grady's kid is too old, he is around 4 (by Rand's estimate) in LoC. Even if Rand has got it wrong, there is no way he is young enough to be Cain.

Ah yes, I guess I mistook the chapter where Rand brought Taim to the farm, at the end, it says that "Sora clasped her son to her breast." I thought that meant he was a baby.

[TootThatHorn]

What?!?!

 

NOOO!!!!

 

If Olver is not Gaidal Cain than I can see no thematic purpose for inventing either character. This is the first time I have absolutely disapproved of Jordan. He could have just left it up to interpretation... or maybe not dropped so many "sly" hints that Olver was him... or maybe not practically come out and have the characters break the fourth wall to throttle us with the obviousness of it...

 

Olver however has been in at least an entertaining minor character to the series, and has been important in at least growing mat as a character, and teaching him responsibility, even if he is at least half-blind to seeing that he has some to do with olver's bad habits...as far as gaidal, he is a hero to describe along with the others, and a bit of a dramatic foil when it comes to birgittes interactions in the dream world that usually arent allowed, or are at least frowned upon...besides each main character has a main squeeze so birgitte becoming as prevelant as she has should at least have an eternal lover to pine over, and i also dont think weve seen the last of and possibly greatest accomplishments of birgitte and olver...perhaps birgitte, at the end of aMoL will find some ugly little orphaned baby to take care of, to give her life purpose, and that baby's name will be Oedipus

[Dagon Thyne]

Birgette said that Cain was reborn only a few years before she met Nynaeve. Olver is too old to be him.

 

Cain is most likely a toddler.

[Luckers]

What?!?!

 

NOOO!!!!

 

If Olver is not Gaidal Cain than I can see no thematic purpose for inventing either character. This is the first time I have absolutely disapproved of Jordan. He could have just left it up to interpretation... or maybe not dropped so many "sly" hints that Olver was him... or maybe not practically come out and have the characters break the fourth wall to throttle us with the obviousness of it...

 

RJ has stated that Olver has another reason to exist aside from being a red herring for who Gaidal is.

[Knivy]

Birgette said that Cain was reborn only a few years before she met Nynaeve. Olver is too old to be him.

 

Cain is most likely a toddler.

Um, we see Cain in TAR. He disapproves of birgette helping the wondergirls and refuses to speak to them, but he is still there.

[Orderofolde]

Well if Olver is killed in some heroic moment defending someone in Caemlyn then it would be pretty cool to see him summoned by the Horn.

[Orderofolde]

And didn't RJ give us some cryptic response to where Cain is? Isn't he is supposed to be both younger AND older than Birgitte?

[RandA lThor]

I think that just means that he is usually older, but this time he is younger.

[Barid Bel Medar]

Remember that Birigitte was not reborn properly, she was ripped out of TAR.

 

Cain was reborn before her, she was still in TAR when he was spun out.

 

Moggy messed that up.