Shadowspawn Warders

[123qwerty]

I have wondered whether it would be possible for the Black Ajah to bond a myddraal or gray man as a warder and what the side effects would be because that would be awesome.

[mandersen]

I doubt the effects would be pleasant for the AS, were it possible at all.

[Suttree]

I have wondered whether it would be possible for the Black Ajah to bond a myddraal or gray man as a warder and what the side effects would be because that would be awesome.

 

Interview: Apr 20th, 2004

TOR Questions of the Week Part I (Verbatim)

Week 9 Question

 

Is it possible to bond a Myrddraal like a Warder? For one of the Black Ajah or a Forsaken, for example? What happens then to such a person?

Robert Jordan

 

It would be possible, but hardly wise because of the sharing of emotions. It is exceedingly likely that anyone who had a knot of Myrddraal emotions in his or her head, even to the small degree caused by the Warder bond, would very soon go insane. Myrddraal may contain human stock, but they are definitely not human. I don't think even Padan Fain could survive that without going madder than he already is.

 

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[gloweye]

I think it would be the Myrddraal to go mad if the bond is with Fain...

[Barid Bel Medar]

I think it would be interesting to see. I wonder if Semirhage ever thought of it as a means of torture. Well, it would most likely be Graendal, not Semirhage, Semi is more the physical parts of the body, Graendal being versed in mental disorders. IN any case, that aside, I wonder if they did think of it and how batshit crazy the people went.

[Luckers]

Maybe one of the Turned? They're already crazy in the 'I've been exposed to a myrdraal in bad, bad ways'.

[Grimmauld]

Graendal and Semirhage may not have thought of this as bonding was unknown in the AoL and, apart from Semi's little interlude with Cabriana, you would wonder how much time they have been putting into torture since they were freed. Also the bonding may cause instant madness and a lot of Semi's torture seems dedicated to extracting information and teasing out the process of pain for as long as possible - neither would fit into this condition.

 

Quick question for Luckers - the 'Turned'? Haven't heard this phrase before... Can you elaborate? Is it a reference somehow to SH's nasty habits and their effects?

[yoniy0]

He means the ones at the BT who've been 13x13ed. Hence the comment about getting the rough side of a few Myrddraal already

[Grimmauld]

Ah a little more thought and that would have been fairly self-evident - the damnation of living in the internet age where we can just ask for answers to simple questions rather than spending a moment puzzling them out!

 

Thanks yoniy0

[csnyder]

Related to bonding, if an AS or any channeler were to bond Shadowspawn would they be able exert their control over it?

AS have relative control over Warders and Asha'man over the AS they bonded. Are we to assume that who ever channels the bond has the control?

[Suttree]

Related to bonding, if an AS or any channeler were to bond Shadowspawn would they be able exert their control over it?

AS have relative control over Warders and Asha'man over the AS they bonded. Are we to assume that who ever channels the bond has the control?

 

For AS the control requires channeling and does not work if they are bonded to a strong channeler.

 

The Ashaman bond is different as they know more on the topic, experimented with it and came up with the "extra bit" that allows total control, no channeling needed.

 

As RJ said above, bonding Shadowspawn would not be a good idea...especially Myddraal.

[Byzantine279]

While it is probably possible to twist it so you can control them, the inevitable insanity isn't worth it.

[Barid Bel Medar]

And even if you could control them, I doubt you would have much of a mind left to do anything actually productive with them. I would say that getting it to use the thakandar blade to sharpen your teeth wouldn't constitute "useful".

[yoniy0]

There's very little use in it, I agree. If you're a Light-sider, and you can channel, there are easier ways to get rid of Shadowspawn. If you're a DF, you were probably given authority over the Fades you encounter, or else they've been given authority over you (in which case, it would be a big no-no to take control of them away from the DO).

 

I guess it could be used as an interrogation technique, though. I wonder if you could Mask the Bond and use it to control the Fade at the same time...

[Barid Bel Medar]

Interrogation is an interesting one. But I wonder how if you would have the capacity to answer any questions coherently. Obviously a moot point at this stage, since there is no way to tell how insane you would actually be, and if this affected speech/memory etc..

 

The only real way I could see this being used is by Semirhage. Graendal, the other who would possibly have an interest, would just compell the crap out of people for interrogation, and she doesn't seem the type to just randomly do something for a bit of a laugh. Semirhage on the other hand, I could easily see her with a stopwatch timing how long it took for the sorry bastard to eat their own feet.

[Luckers]

Graendal and Semirhage may not have thought of this as bonding was unknown in the AoL and, apart from Semi's little interlude with Cabriana, you would wonder how much time they have been putting into torture since they were freed. Also the bonding may cause instant madness and a lot of Semi's torture seems dedicated to extracting information and teasing out the process of pain for as long as possible - neither would fit into this condition.

 

Quick question for Luckers - the 'Turned'? Haven't heard this phrase before... Can you elaborate? Is it a reference somehow to SH's nasty habits and their effects?

 

That would be because I literally just coined it. My other one is that I refer to the Turned as version 13.0. So, Tarna 13.0

[yoniy0]

Interrogation is an interesting one. But I wonder how if you would have the capacity to answer any questions coherently.

I meant, to order a Fade to answer your questions

I don't think you could make someone Bond someone else. Not safely, anyway.

[Barid Bel Medar]

Interrogation is an interesting one. But I wonder how if you would have the capacity to answer any questions coherently.

I meant, to order a Fade to answer your questions

I don't think you could make someone Bond someone else. Not safely, anyway.

 

Haha, probably not, but I assumed that's what you meant. After all, would you be able to even give the orders coherently?

 

haha, well it is, in any case, something I don't think anyone would be game enough to try.

 

For some reason I got an image of a newspaper cut-out in my head: Need help interrogating your Fade? Call Padan Fain, your local nutcase and Fade guru. Daggers and nails provided, free of charge!

[123qwerty]

I can see how a myddraal would cause a channeler to go crazy if they bonded it but a gray man might not have the same affect. A gray man is simply a human that has given up their soul so it would probably be like bonding a completely emotionless human which cares about nothing which while uncomfortable probably wouldn't drive someone mad. If you use the Ashaman bond on it then you would have a completely emotionless servant that is nearly impossible to see to do your bidding and it would have a regular warder's strentgh and stamina making it nearly impossible for a regular person or even a regular warder to kill.

[csnyder]

It would seem the nature of the Bond is Compulsion - it makes me wonder why exactly Warders go berserk once their AS dies...Is it the mere lack of that part of you or the secondary connection with the Source being severed? Has this been discussed?