A Basic Game: Mafia Wins!

[Nolder]

Votecount

Arez - Ishy, Sakaea (2)

Ishy - Arez, Cosmic (2)

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

[Perfexionist]

I just got home from Spring Break in Florida and I'm leaving out of town for a three day competition. This is a great game, but IRL trumps it for me. I'm all caught up and will do my best to participate, but if you feel a replacement is needed go for it.

[Nolder]

hmmm Amega is also asking to be replaced

I guess I'll work on getting replacements for both of you

[Nolder]

probably going to extend the deadline until I figure out who's replacing who

for now carry on as if there is no deadline

[aemonkristen]

I'm back. Started a new job yesterday, but should be more active from here on out now that I'm all oriented and whatnot. To address the Arez situation- I feel that random is always, always, always a bad idea. However, I have also gone the route of not voting for the preferred lynch because of my strong town feeling on the person, so I can't really call it scummy or even say that it shouldn't be done. It all depends on the situation and how strong I feel about the person's "towniness". I can see the point of both sides of the voting (Cosmic and Arez on Ishy and Ishy and Kaea on Arez) but I'm confused on the Levity/Key situation. They are arguing opposite sides yet neither wants to place a vote. This seems odd to me and, honestly, makes me think it is staged for our benefit. I would feel better going for one of these 2 rather than Arez or Ishy over a difference of opinion. I am going to do a full case on Levity and Key later this evening when I am off work and cast my vote.

[bgrishinko]

Dead I am.

[Arez Al'Loke]

I may have acted a bit fast with the votes idd.. Starting to feel like what I read in Ishy's statement might not be correct, but atleast I had a reason -.-

Flaming Ishy only voted me as an omgus >_< anyway, Could you update me on the levity/key situation? I don't know where to find it and I'm reaaally short on time!

[keyholder21]

I don't see how talking/arguing before placing a votr is scummy Aemon. We don't have a deadline now, so I can wait a bit before I decide who to vote for out of the two I am trying to decide between.

[keyholder21]

Additionally, my sister has been in town for Spring Break (leaves tomorrow morning) and I've been posting from my phone when I can. Don't want to rush myself into a poor decision.

[Aiel Heart]

At least I succeeded in confusing all of you :D

 

Arez your comment in the Guild no longer makes sense :P

 

*Blue, silver and amber sparkles over everyone*

 

edits BECAUSE I CAN!!!!!

[Levity]

Honestly, Key's case legitimately confused me, but okay.

I don't place votes unless I'm at least semi-sure of myself.

[cosmicpanda]

At this point we need more people to comment. I'd like to hear more from Sakaea and Ishy.

[Sakaea]

Your wish is granted.

 

I honestly think Arez is scum. N00b scum, but scum. I realize that having a different opinion than most people doesn't make him scum, but advocating a random lynch so close to the DL....I want his coroner's. *shrug* I was going to vote for Arez anyway today, Ishy just happened to beat me to it. As previously stated, weekends I'm not online much. I'm back now

[Nolder]

alright Mr. Soy Boyo will be returning replacing Perfexionist and Pale Merlot will be filling in for Amegakure

the 3 day deadline is starting again in...15ish minutes

[Nolder]

Votecount

Arez - Ishy, Sakaea (2)

Ishy - Arez, Cosmic (2)

 

Not Voting: Pale, Red, Aemon, Soy 2.0, Key, Levity

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

 

Deadline

[Red2111]

started my re-read as promised. heres part Uno up to page 6 (i've got 10 more to go)

 

 

i'm going to say now, my gut says Mynd was scum. upon review, the whole Key attack seems more like a scum manuaver than a town one. also, i dislike how Key faded into the background once AH, Razen and Panda took the spot light.

 

that said, right now up to page 6 my reads are this

 

Aemon - Scum

Key - Scum

Panda - Town

 

 

i also think that Panda was AH's lynch target, jusdging from her reaction of the D1 lynches with the comment "this is shaping up to be a great game" and push of Panda's lynch rather than Razens.

 

VOTE: KEY

Lol, exactly Mynd - you caught me. Though, I didn't inquire , I commented.

 

however every time you no lynch the mafia get to kill and search (and jan if they choose)

 

Did you just mean for the normal night phase? Or something extra?

 

Wow, and now she's curious about what the mafia benefits from a no lynch. Watch for Key and her mafia team trying desperately to stall the lynch on Day 1!

 

this just feels like it's team work. imo, it feels less like Mynd was trying to beat the grass and more like Mynd was tryign to set up a few lynches on townies with his D1 escapades. the interaction between Key and Mynd felt way to "light" and "chummy" to be two townies or scum and town going at it.

 

also, there is how fast he dropped the escapade once he had two new people to start pressuring (3 really if you count AH). this thought is compounded more so by the fact that 2 of the 3 people we known weren't on the scum team (Razen was town, AH was 3rd party)

 

 

I see Forrest and Key are at it already. Mayhaps they are trying to distance themselves since they are both scum!!! O.o

 

Of course we are, dear. Thats why I called out Key on her scumminess right away because that's what fellow mafia do.

 

Key, often in these games the first to post is mafia itching for the game to start. You were the first to post and taking extra delight in having it start at Night. This goes against the town. Unless our doc is EXTREMELY lucky, we will be down one town player at the start of the game. How could you possibly be happy about this?

 

Oh yeah, you are not town.

 

see the underlined, and notice the bolded. scum slip? given i already am getting a scum vibe from and fruedian slips liek this are valid in catchign scum, i'd love to pressure key to see what shakes loose.

 

 

Aiel is acting rather erratically. A lot of "you are scum...wait a minute, maybe you just LOOK scummy". Seems like trying to straddle the fence in my opinion. The abrupt turn-around in the same post from outright accusing to a simple FoS makes me wonder whether it is the joke it seems to be or a way to later come back and say "but I really didn't think that" after someone flips town.

 

somethien Aemon never got called out for was supporting Mynds pressure on AH. this was followed by a post from Mynd saying basically the same thing; it reads like team work.

 

 

I can completely see where Mynd is coming from. However, I haven't played in a game where it's started at night either, so I can see why Key would comment on that point as well. The countdown timer is not ticking anymore, from what I've picked up, but will be in the future rounds. Again, I can see both sides of the argument here, so I'm not sure what to think yet.

 

Both sides of the argument? An argument between Key and Mynd? Mynd was trying to call out Key on an argument that didn't really pass muster. Mynd's case is weak and I don't buy it.

 

Vote Forrest.

 

Your goatee is my goatee btw. Still scum though.

 

bringing this up again because i've yet to read a good answer for this vote and its about the most outright scummiest thing i've seen up to page 6.

 

 

 

My take is that it's between Razen or Cosmic Panda. Both said I had a point yet neither have produced a sound argument of what point I exactly had when I went after Aiel Heart and Key. I made the whole thing up yet they both bandwagoned on it as if I made sense. I've done this trick before and outed both a goon and a mafia symp on Day 1.

 

Remember, the mafia don't want to stand out, they want to blend in and push for a lynch on a townie. I have no idea if Key or Aiel Heart are townies, but I find the ease at which Razen and Cosmic Panda joined my farce to be quite suspicious!

 

quoted to prove a point and it was the smallest quote from Mynd to show this point.

 

notice the underlined, this is yet another push by Mynd to "convince" us of his towniness. he seems liek he's trying way too hard through all this to convince us he's town by constinatly dropping mentions liekthe underlined and bringing up past things he's done as town to catch scum.

 

 

yet another reason why Mynd is pinging me as scum.

 

 

I'm very comfortable with Razen right now. His entire reaction to Mynd's case looked like he was playing a game of "follow the leader". If he had taken a moment or two to read the threas, which was only three pages long at the time, it would have been obvious that there really was no case. Razen was either too lazy to read or thought it was enough to start a train. Either way, I don't like it.

 

i feel that this is more Aemon cheerleading Mynd and the train rather than givign anythgin new to it. aside form the fact that for the msot part Aemon was attacking AH, yet now he jumps support to the Razen train cause it's pickign up more speed.

 

 

Cosmicpanda is standing out to me. He / she has made three points this game (that I counted). One is near the very beginning of the game where he / she says Mynd "has a point". Then the other two are aimed at AH, including voting for her, after AH voted cosmicpanda with the hopes of hearing a bit more from him / her. It stinks to me.

 

Vote cosmicpanda

 

I'm also not too happy with Razen. He's done a little not too convincing explaining and has done little to nothig productive (i.e. scumhunting).

 

this vote pings like attempting to stall out the two trains by getting Panda equal in the VC.

 

 

Where are Red and Float (Levity)?

 

Kae and amega haven’t posted since the very first page. BG says his week has been hectic and he will come back tomorrow.

 

Everyone else has posted at least twice.

 

Razen is on the defensive, and does seem to be grasping at straws a bit for his defense. Both he and Cosmik understood where Forrest was coming from when he was pulling stuff out of thin air on me and Key. I understand Cosmik’s mistrust of me. Meanwhile he shoudl be able to see where that “copycat” comment came on. I also don’t like Razen but won’t switch to him until I see a very good reason to. Wouldn’t want one train growing too fast.

Arez was called out by Forrest, said he would take a closer look at Razen “shortly”, and has said nothing since when he’d been pretty active before then for a little over an hour. Might have just been that he had to go. Idk.

 

Forrest is calling out too many people and making too many believable points *watches closely*

 

Ishy needs to explain his vote again or reevaluate it now that it’ clear that all of that stuff was confetti.

 

Everyone else not much to say on yet. Key was pretty cook under Forrest’s “attack,” aemon called me out when I was acting oddly, and Fex’s one other post besides “here” seemed to have some pretty good thoughts (GO PUP) and poor Boyo is dead.

 

So... Yup my thoughts so far.

 

quoted this for the bolded, to show mostly why i feel Pnada was likely her lynch target.

 

 

Actually:

 

Unvote, Vote: aemonkristen

 

100% sure about this one.

 

 

Care to elaborate on why you are 100% sure of Aemon Kristen? The only people who can be 100% sure of other peoples alignments are the mafia since they know who is innocent and who isn't.

 

i fount this to be interesting. not only is Mynd role fishing, but imo he's also subtely defending Aemon as well.

[Red2111]

up to page 9 now.

 

Caught up, and I'm going to forgo the usual WoT since I don't need to rehash the points others have made.

 

I'm of the opinion that Razen or Aemon are our best lynch bets. I think that Mynd's usual style might have nabbed Razen it its web. I also think that if Aemon flips scum we learn a little more about PandaMan.

 

Though I must say, haveing CosmicPanda and another player with a Panda pic confuses me when browsing... *glares at Arez*

 

Vote Razen

 

 

 

to the underlined, BG i'd be interested in hearing your case on an Aemon lynch.

 

 

Unvote, Vote Razen

 

and unvote and vote with no explination. ping!

 

 

Unvote, Vote: aemonkristen because it looks like cosmic is softclaiming cop. I can get behind that, but FOS Mynd for asking him to full on say it. Doesn't sit right in my brain that town-Mynd would do that.

 

In addition to outing Cosmic if he is indeed the cop, you also "unvoted" when you hadn't placed a vote in the first place, according to the votecount before this post. Interesting.

 

the underliend is still a good catch imo

 

 

Unvote. Vote Razen.

 

Yes, I cased Razen and didn't vote for him. It was obvious that everyone else suss'd him already and that that was the direction the day was going. Wanted to see if applying pressure to Mynd would yield any results. Silly me. I still think his ridiculous, intentionally so, early day one back and forth with Key was a little over-the-top, but Razen's reaction to it was even more so. Just wanted to see if a competing train would give us any info, but alas. Mynd handled it well, so moving on...

 

 

i call bullshanks! it smelled to me like you were supporting the Razen lynch then creating a bit of distance between you and Mynd and distacing yourself from razens lynch, especially seeing how razen flipped town.

 

 

Then you aren't 100% percent sure of anything. Unvote, vote cosmicpanda for claiming to be 100% sure of something when he isn't. What a load of bullshanks. (stealing your word, Red.)

 

this vote reason is a load of bullshanks imo.

 

 

And we know Cosmik isn't just a scum ratting out a scum mate because?

 

Oh btw I'm Unvoting for now. Will try to do a reread later but I'm rather swamped tonight

 

quoted to show further evidence why Panda is rubbing me as AH's lynch target. out of all the cases flying around, Panda's is the only one she relaly takes any interest in. imo, the unvote was to mask it and to not appear too eager at his wagon.

 

 

So, I'm pretty much almost caught up with the thread at this point. Things I want to note so far:

 

1. The ÓMGUS argument--as long as there's a legitimate reason for a vote at least from my perspective, I don't count it off as anything this simple. If you're genuinely suspicious of someone, it shouldn't matter whether or not they voted you.

 

2. I don't like the sudden Cosmic votes. It was obvious Cosmic was using a figure of speech there--to be 100% certain that someone is scum means that you're pretty confident someone is scum. Am I the only one getting slight pings from Sakaea, by the way? I need to do a conglomeration of individual posts and look at that.

 

3. From what I see, the Razen and Aemon lynches both grew erratically, and I can't quite decide which one is the better; Razen voting Cosmic seemed almost like a diversion of sorts to me, but an odd one that doesn't quite make a lot of sense. He overreacted just a little bit to Mynd's accusation (which I have experience with so I don't blame you, but I was mafia in that game and it's easy to accuse Mynd of pushing townie lynches because he pushes hardcore sometimes from what I've seen), but his recent posts have given off more of a calm feel to me?

 

I'm having trouble remembering a lot of what Aemon posted (which is bothering me a little), so I'm going to have to read back again to build a case on that side.

 

this post pings me on a gut level. it reads as a re-cap but gives no new light to the wagons, she totally ignores Mynd's (key and AH as well) hand in all this, focusing instead on those who were caught up in his web and she sides with both Razen and Panda.

 

it makes my skin crawl tbh. FoS @ Levity.

 

 

Odd how the Razer lynch stalled out so close to deadline and people tried to push Cosmic for being helpful. If cosmic were scum, he'd have greater advantage in letting the soft claim continue to hang in the wind rather than coming forth right now.

 

this, even more; as well as the jumps to Aemons lynch as well. Mynd and Kae ping the most from this.

 

 

Blah.. Not fun with randoms.. Srry Razen, I don't really find the arguments to lynch you "Convincing" But the deadline is comming

 

Vote Razen

 

this vote pings. if you didn't liek his lynch, why not case soemoen else instead of hanging back and voting near the deadline?

[keyholder21]

started my re-read as promised. heres part Uno up to page 6 (i've got 10 more to go)

 

 

i'm going to say now, my gut says Mynd was scum. upon review, the whole Key attack seems more like a scum manuaver than a town one. also, i dislike how Key faded into the background once AH, Razen and Panda took the spot light.

 

that said, right now up to page 6 my reads are this

 

Aemon - Scum

Key - Scum

Panda - Town

 

 

I don't know about the others, but you're wrong on me. Also, your entire case on me depends on whether Mynd was scum or not.

 

I "faded" because it was Spring Break and I was celebrating my birthday while my sister was here. I've been here all along, just not as much as I was able to in the first few days. I'll be back to more though, since my sister left this morning and it's back to the grind for me.

 

I also don't understand why the scum would sacrifice one of their own so early in the game. They could have easily killed anyone and janitor-ed it up. Like me, or AH, or Aemon - anyone who was at all active in the game would be a good person to kill and cover up their alignment. Sounds to me like you're using the idea that Mynd is scum to pin a whole bunch of people and that's never good. We will never know his alignment, so using that as a basis is a poor decision.

 

I'm going to reread so I can decide who to vote for.

 

And Levity, what case? I didn't case anyone. Do you mean my position on randoms? I guess that's a matter of opinion. To say it clearer: I think randoms are bad and scummy.

[Aiel Heart]

It's really interesting to see how people think I think.....

 

I assume I can't be a replacement since I know who one townie is?

[Levity]

Hey I'm really sorry to start having to make excuses but I recently got copy editor position for my college's newspaper and as I type this I'm still in the journalism office (we're working a late night) on my phone with terrible signal and haven't been online all day hi guys

 

I'll try to catch up soon

[Nolder]

It's really interesting to see how people think I think.....

 

I assume I can't be a replacement since I know who one townie is?

correct

sorry

[aemonkristen]

Now that Red has FoSed most of the living players, I'm going to go ahead and VOTE KEY. I was tempted to vote for Arez for some minor pings early on and the comment about not caring about a random lynch, but the following posts from Key in my reread pinged hard.

 

 

At least he was vanilla.

 

I'm thinking now that we look at Cosmic and Aemon more carefully.

 

I'd suggest Mynd as well.

 

This is a thinly veiled OMGUS. You provided zero input until I named you as one to look at, now you are panicked. Are you concerned that our cop might choose to view you tonight?

 

Need I remind everyone that I initiated the whole Razen voting in the first place? I actually UNVOTED him as the bandwagon began to build because it was building too fast, likely because of mafia players sneaking in using the deadline as an excuse. I voted with 5 minutes left to deadline to hammer the lynch, avoiding random (likely town) lynching.

 

I find the Aemon/Cosmic Panda debate interesting, but more interesting is that the debate on that stalled out.

 

 

The cop is more than welcome to view me tonight, and you're more than welcome to discuss/dissect what I said tomorrow. If all you're doing is deciding to look into me (which btw you didn't specify me) and some other people then it would be quite silly of me to freak out about that wouldn't it?

 

I don't see how it's an OMGUS. I provided zero input? I was who you were talking back and forth with at the beginning of the game, that's how this entire thing with Razen started. It's worth looking into you because, you WERE the one who started the lynch on Razen, in addition to creating a bogus case on me and AH (which I know you freely admitted but it's still intriguing that you can pull something out of your backside and fight to make it stick). Then yesterday afternoon you were all for a Razen lynch...until you decided you weren't. Almost as if you knew he would turn townie and wanted to distance yourself from it. After all, you were the one that initiated it.

 

Panicked? Yeah, wow, omg, I am so panicking. /sarcasm The post above more reads that you are the one panicking. I merely suggested that we look at you tomorrow and you're trying to throw me under the bus right away - worried?

 

This seems like an over-reaction to what was going on. Also, the way she called on the cop to view her that night seems sus´picious. At that time she really had no pressure and there were other targets a cop would likely be much more interested in investigating, so it seems a safe bet for her to make that statement.

 

 

 

Mynd was an interesting choice to kill. You'd think you would want to keep around someone who was creating so much tension/so many arguments. Maybe we're dealing with inexperienced scum?

 

I feel like we're putting too much weight on something that Cosmic meant to say casually.

"100% certain" was supposed to mean more along the lines of "this post makes me pretty sure Aemon is scum," and worded it to augment that sense of confidence in the idea.

 

 

Cosmic is not new to mafia. He should know how we would take a remark like that. He hasn't exactly lifted any suspicion by not offering any explanation other than that he's not cop. Instead, others are doing it for him.

 

I'm game for a little bit of pressure. Vote Cosmic.

 

Here it seems she is trying to lead the town into looking at the more inexperienced players because Mynd got killed. By building up Mynd as a source of conflict that an experienced scum team would like to have around, she effectively disregards a lot of very dangerous players in this game. Such as Red, who is basing many of her theories on Mynd flipping scum, which can be neither proved nor disproved. Key is a good choice for today.

[Red2111]

Key nice reaction. its good to see when a poke and prod gets you immediately on the defensive. i like my vote right where it is.

 

 

i know that we don't know what Mynds alignement is, i'm basing my read on him off how i interpretted his actions and whether they seem more in favoer of the scum or the towm. imo, the way Mynd was playing nd what he was doing benefited the scum more, hence my scum assumption on him. also, my main FoS comes not only from your interaction with Mynd; which even if it Mynd was town i'd still peg you as scum for how flippantly you were taking his attacks.

 

and when i say you faded from the spotlight, i'm talking more of how focus shifted from you but not off AH and onto the only two people to buy into Mynds trap. i dislike how only you, out of the 4 people Mynd was gunning for, seemed to fade away.

 

 

i for one believe Mynd was scum, and if Mynd was scum its only logical that he woudl pick a team mate to bounce off of N0 like that to entrap a few townies.

 

 

and now, back to my re-read.

[Red2111]

also, AH yer dead sweetie. stop posting please

[a pale tanned lover]

Gonna do a proper reread when I get a decent internet connection, right now I'm in favor of going after key