[Light Vs Shadow] - HEROES AND VILLIANS MAFIA

[Tiinker]

1. Des - Sam - Watcher

4. Tina - Superman - Town RB

6. Leelou - Bus Driver

9. Rey

10. Tiinks

11. Amadine

12. Wombat - Spiderman - Inventor Doc

13. Aiel Heart

14. Locke

16. Pants

17. Song - Tracker

19. Red

20. BG - Rogue - Town RB

 

Des's Findings

N1: blocked

N2: Wombat -> Blackhoof, Tina, Turin, Sakaea, BG, Leelou.

N3:

 

 

Song's Findings

N1:

N2:

N3: BG -> targeted no one

 

 

Leelou's Targets:

N1:

N2: Wombat/Leyrann

N3:

 

 

 

 

song can you list your results from N1 and N2 please. also, i'll answer you tomorrow about the Kae thing. right now i'm crunched for time, but on my initial read to catch up fromt eh weekand i got the impression that at first you were slightly defending her, and then you distanced yoruself from her later on.

 

 

 

BG, so you think that Leelou is scum because BD's are scum; yet your voting Tina ....

 

 

Leelou because imo she's the better option. i dislike the intention behind the Wombat/Ley switch. an because of the problems the BD gives, especially to finder type roles, Leelou can you list your targets for the past 3 nights as well.

 

*shakes head* If you would actually read the game, instead of skim, you would know I targeted Kae nights 1 and two. That's the whole reason she got caught in her lie and had to make up two really bad role reveals. I caught her targeting wombat night 1, which was suspicious with his role reveal and no deaths N1, so I targeted her N2 and got her on Ley.

 

Also the vote on Leelou makes no sense. She would not switch her mafia killer to be on Ley who was also mafia. There's no way she's scum.

 

Oh REALLY?

[Pantsonfire]

I'll admit I would have picked Lee as mafia either..... I don't find what song said particularly scum-worthy.

 

Good thin Des agrees with my reason behind Amadine. Wasn't sure how coherent it would be. Think. Said mor than was necessary bu the point till stands

[Locke]

Now the big question is ARE YOU MAFIA? .... Locke?

 

No.

 

Turin, I'm in the same boat as you. Ama is my second top suspect, and I'll gladly switch my vote to her if that's the course Town wishes to take.

[Pantsonfire]

.... I really need to proof read these before I post them.

That last line pretty much said "I used too many words to get my reason across".

 

BG's defence did strike me as rather 'crafted'. Pretty much allowing Tina's lynch to go through without the instant reversal of. lynching him the next day after her town alignment was revealed. I too would be willing to switch.

[WWWwombat]

I'm ambivalent about BG.

[Pantsonfire]

@ Wombat are you the same about the Amadine Lin eomfhtough?

[Pantsonfire]

Line. Of. Thought.

 

 

My phone hates me......

[Amadine]

I don't know what else to tell you guys *shrugs*

 

I had already said i felt Tina was the scummier of the two viable candidates and i voted in accordance with that.

[WWWwombat]

Vote: Amadine

[Talya]

DAY 5 VOTE

 

 

BG (2): Locke, Turin

 

Amadine (3): Pants,Des, Wombat

 

DAY 5 ends at 9pm GMT on Tuesday.

 

 

[Red2111]

out of the two wagons

 

VOTE: AMA

[bgrishinko]

I'm still interested in why Des didn't see anything on Wombat, there's gotta be something there.

 

I'm not as concerned with Ama's Hammer vote, because if she'd hammered me you'd have the same argument against Tina right now. But her other casing posts from yesterday felt off to me. Don't have time to really go back and say why, Vote Ama

 

 

[WWWwombat]

I'm still interested in why Des didn't see anything on Wombat, there's gotta be something there.

 

I'm not as concerned with Ama's Hammer vote, because if she'd hammered me you'd have the same argument against Tina right now. But her other casing posts from yesterday felt off to me. Don't have time to really go back and say why, Vote Ama

 

What are you trying to imply? Didn't Des say he thinks he was blocked?

[bgrishinko]

I'm still interested in why Des didn't see anything on Wombat, there's gotta be something there.

 

I'm not as concerned with Ama's Hammer vote, because if she'd hammered me you'd have the same argument against Tina right now. But her other casing posts from yesterday felt off to me. Don't have time to really go back and say why, Vote Ama

 

What are you trying to imply? Didn't Des say he thinks he was blocked?

 

Not implying much but wondering about if there are other roles that might give Des that result other than RB. Besides, if you self protected, that shoulda been scooted to Meesh since it seems Leelou was telling the truth since AH targeted you and Meesh died. That means if everyone in the group is telling the truth then BOTH you and Des would have had to been blocked for Des to see nothing and for Meesh to not have been saved by your action.

 

Besides, another blocker would be exhausting. Tina blocked me, I blocked Leelou, and even if I were scum and had been lying about that, it doesn't change I was blocked and therefore couldn't block anyone. That would mean TWO more blockers. I didn't want to buy 3 blocking roles, but I'm certainly NOT going to assume 5 blocking roles.

[Talya]

DAY 5 VOTE

 

 

BG (2): Locke, Turin

 

Amadine (5): Pants,Des, Wombat, Red, BG

 

 

There is just over 24 hours left. I haven't decided what happens if there is not a majority. Maybe I will go with a random lynch of those not voting, or those being voted for or all...

 

 

[Locke]

Unvote. Vote Ama

[hazelkrs1]

Just cause their's not much going on in this game right now, I figured I'd get out some of my thoughts on everyone still alive:

 

9. Rey Turin - I'm always vurry suspicious of those who take over other characters, because it seems like they often inherit mafia roles and his posting style does seem to have changed somewhat

10. Tiinks - I was wary of him earlier in the game, and he's been fairly inactive from what I can recall. Would like to hear more from him

11. Amadine - I just feel she has a weird role in some of these affairs that have been going on the past few days, and has been very quiet after others have started voting her

12. Wombat - still think he's town, but the fact that Meesh didn't receive his self-protection does worry me a bit. Might have to take a closer look at him in future days

14. Locke - Don't really have much of a read on him tbh

16. Pants - was silly early, but got serious, even though I didn't agree with some of his reasoning once he did. Incidentally, he was one of the main ones defending Tina, so it could be possible that he was being coached to distance himself from her lynch by defending her

17. Song - some things kind of stink about her play this game, her reveal wasn't necessary and I've seen Trackers flip mafia as often as Town. Wary of her, but she's gone so can't defend herself

19. Red - main mark against her is that she seems to be trying to both direct town somewhat, and confuse situations and scumhunts. Otherwise her play has seemed pro-town for the most part

20. BG - fairly sure he's town, since his play wouldn't make much sense as scum. Then again he is becoming widely known as a clever inventor of odd gambits, so you never know.

 

Since that list mainly looks like I'm FoSing everyone, lemme make a short list of those I think are most likely to be scum, not necessarily in order

 

Tiinks

Ama

Pants

[hazelkrs1]

I also forgot to mention, we can't have that many mafia left, I don't see there being more than 2 left, possibly only one, but I am still worried about there possibly being another third party killer out there. With multiple RB'ers, it might make sense for there to be both a Vig AND a SK. I know this is somewhat unlikely since we've never seen more than 2 deaths in one night, but still...

 

*waits for Talya to acknowledge hammer or tell us that lynch will wait till deadline*

[Talya]

DAY 5 VOTE

 

 

BG (1): Locke,Turin

 

Amadine (6): Pants,Des, Wombat, Red, BG, Locke

 

 

That is a hammer...I will see if I can get on at work to do this. Don't have time now!

 

 

[Talya]

So another day of voting is over and it was fairly painless to get to a decision this time. Ama was taking to the spot others had fatefully gone before her. Down came the rope, once secured the floor opened and CRACK! She was dead. Horror formed on your faces as her skin seemed to melt and an inane grin stared back at you. She was alive!! As you crept closer you realise that the grin had been hidden underneath some sort of make up and was really just horrible red scars in the shape of a smile!

 

 

AMA - THE JOKER - MAFIA - SWITCHER - is DEAD

 

 

 

[bgrishinko]

Deal.

 

Another switcher though?

 

Well, that mixed with the fact there are 5 dead mafia and the game isn't over I guess leads credence to the idea of 2 scum teams. It also throws a corkscrew into tracking all the NA's we've had so far.

[hazelkrs1]

Leave it to BG to find a dark cloud for our silver lining

 

I must say, after a sloppy start town has REALLY gotten a knack for trackin down scum!

 

Another possibility BG, is that instead of 2 scum teams we could have a SK still out there, or one last mafia person. Actually, even if there ARE 2 scum teams I can't see either team having more than 3 members, so I'm fairly sure there can't be more than 1 mafioso left.

 

If the last one was a teammate of Ama's, it seems possible that they wouldn't even have voted perhaps in the last vote, just to keep from being attached to her in any way. The only non-voters were Ama, Song, and Tiinks. The first two are pretty much discounted, so I'd be up for a Tiink lynch tomorrow.

 

One more thing I just thought of after looking at the player list, the mafia characters we've seen die so far are:

 

Voldemort

Norman Bates

Sauron

The Joker

Cruella De Ville

 

After looking at that list, something strikes me. The Joker and Norman Bates can easily be linked because both are psychotic killers, and Cruella might even fit into that category as well as she murders animals. Sauron and Voldemort can easily be grouped into another team, as both are evil wizard/magic users. We know there's Star Wars characters out there because of a dead Han Solo, so perhaps the third person on the Sauron/Voldemort team is either Vader or the Emperor? Not sure how that might help us find scum, but it does make it seem more likely that we have at least one more mafia out there. We might know more after tonight, depending on who dies.

[Red2111]

yep i agree this points to two scum teams. this allows us to eamine the info further and probably clear the confusion. also, this explains why there were so many blocking roles imo

 

for the scum we have

 

Sakaea - Killer

Leelou - Switcher

Ama - Switcher

Meesh -

Nol - Goon

 

Ama - you have nothing listed for Meesh's role, can you clarify if she had one or not

 

 

with a 20 player game, the normal ratio is 1/4th or 1/3rd so we're dealing with between 6 and 8 anti town players. so are scum teams are probably 3 or 4 players each, they'd also have to be balanced imo so one coudln't overpower the other.

 

 

i think really, we're only missing 1 scum, the other Mafia Killer

[Talya]

Now updated. Meesh was a Goon, meant to update before!

 

NIGHT 5 ENDS ON THURSDAY 9PM GMT or all Actions in.

[Red2111]

*slams head into desk* i so meant to type Tal and not Ama. tis what i get for being in two huge mafias at the same time while trying to decorate for the x-mas party thursday

 

 

sorry Tal, please accept this ocarina on behalf of my apologies

 

 

 

 

 

and thanks for the clarification too!!