Blackhoofs Ghost Town Mafia (Advanced) TOWN WIN!!!

[bgrishinko]

Sure

[Netbattler11]

BG does have a point though. It definitely seems like something hoof would do to have an SK start dead and be ressed. I think tina might be our evil ghost.

 

I´m not a ghost.

 

And not evil...

 

I wonder why you are backing up BG here. We don´t know if there was a SK ghost from the start and now you say it like it´s almost a fact and then you make me that person. I don´t like this at all.

I never said anything about being an established fact. I said that it would fit the pattern of the game so far. It also fits the timing of the SK showing up. And as BG said, you aren't supposed to like it. We're trying to lynch you.

 

I dunno

I have a hard time believing it

could it just be coincidence?

maybe the cult(s) turn into a mafia after their leader dies/is banished?

 

the thing is Tina is my strongest townread so I'm trying to look for alternate possibilities here

 

Maybe there are only two cults and no mafia? I've played a game like that before.

 

Why do you think Tina is town, nolder? We have bg and Ley who sem to think she's scum.

BG believes Tina is some kind of double shot SK due to circumstantial evidence

and while it's not a terrible argument I don't really find it convincing on it's own

Ley is merely sheeping BG's reasoning and has provided no additional argument

 

as for my townread

I would have to reread to remember what it was

would you like me to do that?

 

edit for blue

BG's argument is logical. You cannot argue with the fact that we have a double-shot SK running around, nor that the first time they hit was after Tina was ressed. I would like to hear your argument for her townread. I don't remember her being especially active.

[Nolder]

BG's argument is logical.

while it's definitely an interesting theory there's just not enough information to really connect Tina to the deaths

his argument seems to be something along the lines of this fallacy

yes the deaths started when Tina was brought back to life but they don't necessarily have to be related events and I for one would not be willing to lynch anyone over just that alone

 

You cannot argue with the fact that we have a double-shot SK running around,

sure I can

maybe it's a single shot SK and a Vig

or perhaps the deaths are random and automatic via some gameplay design made by our mod and only kicked in once a certain requisite had been met

 

nor that the first time they hit was after Tina was ressed.

the first time it happened was after Tina was resurrected this is true

 

I would like to hear your argument for her townread. I don't remember her being especially active.

I will probably get to that when day starts

[WWWwombat]

Correlation is a type of relationship between two quantitative variables and as such has little to do with the current situation.

[Netbattler11]

Yes, theres no hard evidence. But there's nothing ruling it out either. I don't see a more compelling argument anywhere.

maybe it's a single shot SK and a Vig

or perhaps the deaths are random and automatic via some gameplay design made by our mod and only kicked in once a certain requisite had been met

 

Do you really think that Hoof would post two separate people's kills as the work of a single person? Simply post that they had died without specifying why, perhaps, but I don't think he would be that subversive.

 

I suppose that it's possible that he's just killing off two people each day randomly... But again, why would he do that? In mafia games, effects are generally linked to causes that are players. Mods don't usually take an active hand.

[keyholder21]

Mods don't usually take an active hand.

 

Doesn't mean that he hasn't. A Mod can do whatever he/she wants.

 

Is that really enough to lynch on? A -possible- idea that Tina is a double voter SK? I think the idea of an SK and a vig is more likely.

 

However. I suppose Tina could be one of those.

 

I will need to reread in the morning.

[WWWwombat]

Mods don't usually take an active hand.

 

Doesn't mean that he hasn't. A Mod can do whatever he/she wants.

 

Is that really enough to lynch on? A -possible- idea that Tina is a double voter SK? I think the idea of an SK and a vig is more likely.

 

However. I suppose Tina could be one of those.

 

I will need to reread in the morning.

 

Pretty much anything can be enough to lynch on depending on the state of the game

[Nolder]

Yes, theres no hard evidence. But there's nothing ruling it out either. I don't see a more compelling argument anywhere.

I never said we should rule it out

but I think it needs more discussion and it worries me that you're already so convinced of her guilt

 

maybe it's a single shot SK and a Vig

or perhaps the deaths are random and automatic via some gameplay design made by our mod and only kicked in once a certain requisite had been met

 

Do you really think that Hoof would post two separate people's kills as the work of a single person? Simply post that they had died without specifying why, perhaps, but I don't think he would be that subversive.

those were just examples

my point is that there are other possibilities

 

I suppose that it's possible that he's just killing off two people each day randomly... But again, why would he do that? In mafia games, effects are generally linked to causes that are players. Mods don't usually take an active hand.

in the Malazan mafia everyone became powerless when I died

maybe in this game specific people are dying say...when the necromancer died because in the story hoof has set out she brought them back to life so now there's nothing sustaining them

 

actually I can tell you that's not the case

at least FMPOV since my role PM said nothing about being brought back to life by a necromancer

but yes

again my point is that alternate possibilities exist and we should look at them

 

I also think I'd like to see what happens during the night

for all we know tina will be killed and banished

[SBoydW]

my point is that there are other possibilities[/color]

 

 

 

Any better than that one? I haven't really seen any. If there is something you'd like to share then please feel free.

[Nolder]

my point is that there are other possibilities[/color]

Any better than that one? I haven't really seen any. If there is something you'd like to share then please feel free.

That there is a serial killer and a vig is just as likely

 

and whatever the case may be I'd like to note, again, that the case being made here is based on circumstantial evidence

it could just be coincidence

 

why don't you guys make an actual case on Tina and show me how she's been scummy

then maybe I'll take your idea seriously

[SBoydW]

my point is that there are other possibilities[/color]

Any better than that one? I haven't really seen any. If there is something you'd like to share then please feel free.

That there is a serial killer and a vig is just as likely

 

and whatever the case may be I'd like to note, again, that the case being made here is based on circumstantial evidence

it could just be coincidence

 

why don't you guys make an actual case on Tina and show me how she's been scummy

then maybe I'll take your idea seriously

 

I'm not saying that the case is air tight. Just that it's the best one at the moment. All the people that I think would have better cases are ghosts right now so I can't vote for them. I know that this far along in the game cases should be a little stronger, but when you have a constant shifting of people that can be voted for then it gets a little tougher. So, yes, the case against Tina is circumstantial (thought I feels it's a strong circumstantial). So I can't give you anything more than what has been said, I don't think that there is anything else to be said. So either you see that (in my opinion) it's the strongest case there is at the moment, or you don't. You often (maybe it's just me) seem to allude to there being other people that are better to vote for, but then don't offer anything up. Which is something that always seems kinda scummy to me. To bad you're a ghost at the moment or I'd be voting for you.

[Nolder]

I'm not saying that the case is air tight. Just that it's the best one at the moment.

that's where you and I disagree

I don't feel that it's any better than any other possibility I've presented

[Leyrann]

my point is that there are other possibilities[/color]

Any better than that one? I haven't really seen any. If there is something you'd like to share then please feel free.

That there is a serial killer and a vig is just as likely

 

and whatever the case may be I'd like to note, again, that the case being made here is based on circumstantial evidence

it could just be coincidence

 

why don't you guys make an actual case on Tina and show me how she's been scummy

then maybe I'll take your idea seriously

 

One problem with the SK and Vig, Nol. Each of the three times that we had those kills, they were in the same post. That means it's VERY unlikely, almost impossible, that there are two killers out there.

[SBoydW]

I'm not saying that the case is air tight. Just that it's the best one at the moment.

that's where you and I disagree

I don't feel that it's any better than any other possibility I've presented

 

But you haven't presented anyone else. Again, you keep saying you have and you haven't, not in the last five or six pages at least. So either suggest some one else, or quit claiming you have.

[Nolder]

I'm not saying that the case is air tight. Just that it's the best one at the moment.

that's where you and I disagree

I don't feel that it's any better than any other possibility I've presented

 

But you haven't presented anyone else. Again, you keep saying you have and you haven't, not in the last five or six pages at least. So either suggest some one else, or quit claiming you have.

I said possibility

not person

[Niniel]

Maw and Soy - what will your responses be when I turn out town and BG mafia? Who of you are on his team?

 

I can only assume that cult/mafia is close to win this since BG asked someone right out to kill me.

[Leyrann]

But what, Tina, if YOU are mafia/cult, and BG town who knew you were what you are?

[SBoydW]

I'm not saying that the case is air tight. Just that it's the best one at the moment.

that's where you and I disagree

I don't feel that it's any better than any other possibility I've presented

 

But you haven't presented anyone else. Again, you keep saying you have and you haven't, not in the last five or six pages at least. So either suggest some one else, or quit claiming you have.

I said possibility

not person

So replace "person" with "possibility". Still applies.

[SBoydW]

Maw and Soy - what will your responses be when I turn out town and BG mafia?

 

I will feel rightfully put in my place.

 

Maw and Soy - what will your responses be when I turn out town and BG mafia? Who of you are on his team?

 

Me... I mean... crap. You got me.

[Niniel]

Then that is settled...

[Nolder]

Maw and Soy - what will your responses be when I turn out town and BG mafia? Who of you are on his team?

 

I can only assume that cult/mafia is close to win this since BG asked someone right out to kill me.

something seems off in what you just said

I can't pinpoint it though

 

But what, Tina, if YOU are mafia/cult, and BG town who knew you were what you are?

how would he know that one way or another?

 

So replace "person" with "possibility". Still applies.

maybe I would have if I hadn't been trying to prevent a bandwagon on Tina from forming

 

the fact is we don't know why these people are dying

Tina is definitely a person of interest but I'm not ready to condemn her outright based on the circumstances alone

so why don't we both stop arguing?

I'm not saying Tina is a bad lynch

I am saying I would like to wait for day start so we have all available information before deciding that Tina will be lynched tomorrow

 

remember how I assumed because Kivam claimed coroner that he must be telling the truth since that was an easy claim to disprove?

well the next day he was coronered and revealed to be a liar

 

TL;DR chill out dude, lets see what day brings before deciding to lynch anyone

[SBoydW]

So replace "person" with "possibility". Still applies.

maybe I would have if I hadn't been trying to prevent a bandwagon on Tina from forming

 

the fact is we don't know why these people are dying

Tina is definitely a person of interest but I'm not ready to condemn her outright based on the circumstances alone

so why don't we both stop arguing?

I'm not saying Tina is a bad lynch

I am saying I would like to wait for day start so we have all available information before deciding that Tina will be lynched tomorrow

 

remember how I assumed because Kivam claimed coroner that he must be telling the truth since that was an easy claim to disprove?

well the next day he was coronered and revealed to be a liar

 

TL;DR chill out dude, lets see what day brings before deciding to lynch anyone

 

I just mainly want to know what you think other possibilities there are. You've said it twice... on this page... Day doesn't stop you from throwing ideas out. If something revealed during the night changes the basis for those ideas then we'll adapt. We can't just stop talking because we don't have all the info, because we'll never have all the info. I'm not saying any of this to be argumentative... just saying...

[Nolder]

I'm not saying any of this to be argumentative... just saying...

uh huh

 

I just mainly want to know what you think other possibilities there are. You've said it twice... on this page...

there are a lot of possibilities

the one where Tina is a double shot SK is one

a normal SK and Vig is another, which I said earlier

but whatever the case may be there is no reason to lynch anyone over it

we'll lynch someone because they've been scummy not because of a set of coincidences

[WWWwombat]

Double kill is more likely given the scene. I agree with Boyo here.

[Nolder]

probably

that doesn't change the fact that we shouldn't be killing anyone over it

if Tina has been acting scummy then fine

make a case and maybe we'll lynch her

because you could just as easily say the deaths were started because Ishy or Min were banished as Tina being resurrected