[Advanced] Lily's Mythical Beings Mafia

[Sakaea]

Unofficial Vote count:

 

Nolder (6) – Des, Red, Min, Ishy, Vam, Sakaea

Min (2) – Verb, Hoof

Ama (2) – Ed, Womby

Vambram (1) – Nolder

Barm (1) - BG

 

 

Not voting – Meesh, Lanth, Ama, Karas, Barm, Raena

[Sakaea]

I'm going to stick with where I am, for now. I'll be around most of the day, and will be checking periodically to see what's going on.

[Red2111]

i hate moving my vote from min at this point because the deadines so close. but with a statement like "I'm the roleblocker" without saying he's town from Hybrid, thats too big of a slip to pass up.

FTFY

 

same flakey reasoning, different player

 

 

so you pretend to actually quote me, while shoving in words that i never said. and yet your supposed to be working in the towns best interest. can you be anymore scummy Nol. i didn't say that, and i appreciate it (as i'm sure other players woudl as well) that you didn't make it appear as if that is a direct quote from me.

 

as far as i'm concerned, you could be doing this to other players, putting in words and claiming its a quote when it's not. to use this to try and make your poitn and argue your case is not only agains thte spirit of the game imo but is also very disrespectful to the person you quoting and shows just how flimsy your own arugment is since you have to fabricate a quote to make your point.

 

 

and no you haven't come out and point blank said how you KNEW hybrid was a townie on DAY 1 Nol. you said that you "thought" he was a townie when you voted someone else nad then come out stating that you KNEW he was a townie after the corners report. so i'm asking you now to point blank STATE how you KNEW hybrid was a townie before he got lynched like your claiming you did now.

 

 

you keep flip flopping on this, which is why i keep saying it seems like your scum who was trying to use Hybrid to help clear yourself. and obviously, i'm not the only one seeing this.

 

 

FYI I am on page 3 and already want to lynch Red.

 

nothing new in this.

 

 

Okay, you all want more from me, I am an enhancer. I choose who to enhance every night. Last night I choose Ishy, hence why he had two views. This is why I was upset about Ed saying he did something to Ishy. I was concerned he wouldn't get his 2 views. Since he did it made me wonder what Ed did to Ishy's role.

Red you said for the person who helped Ishy not to reveal, but since you all wanted more from me and well are bound and determined to lynch me I have revealed. Like I said if I am not lynched I will probably be nk by the mafia. Which is okay, the finder and doc roles need to be protected. I just don't want you all to waste a lynch on me. Defeats the purpose of being available for them to nk and they might pick someone with a better power.

 

first off Min, the only one pressuring you to reveal was nolder, WHO WE ALL ARE MOVING OUR VOTES TOO. i put that in caps incase you didn't notice from the vote counts. so your reveal was not needed nor were you being pressured to reveal.

 

on a second note, i'm honestly tiered of you blaming me like this in the past few games we've played in together. MY VOTE was on Nolder. MY FOCUS is on Nolder and others, not on you; so to make it appear like I personally was clammoring for you reveal is a lie. infact I was the first to call Nolder out for his rolefishing on YOU, yet you seem to skim over that little nugget.

 

in fact, before YOU go blaming others for your "forced" reveal; lets not forget that YOU are the one that started this in the first place with the halfassed reveal a few pages ago and stating that you wont be revealing under any circumstances when there was NO PRESSURE for you to do so. YOU brought up the reveal and people reacted accordingly. we all know how this game is played and that when a person does a crappy half reveal like Ishy did earlier people tend to pressure them and vote them that much more.

 

 

.tey ti laever ot gniog ton m'I tub ,nosaer a evah od I

 

.top eht rits ot ekil I..he tub ,hcterts a saw amA no etov eht hguoht timda lliw I

 

ETOVNU

 

see this is why i find the move scummy. when you moved your vote, the deadline was less than 8 hrs away and we didn't have an extention. so now your saying that the reason you gave a few pages before isn't the real reason, and that you knew that the Ama vote was a reach ... meaning you knew that the vote woudl go no where and were purposefully tryign to space out the votes. something that could cost us a controlled lynch and give us a random lynch with no corners report.

 

 

 

@Barmy Fair enough, at some point I'll go back and see what it was that pinged me about you, but I was just reading through to catch up mainly and it was an overall vibe.

 

As for now, I'm not convinced about Nolder for one reason... If I were him and Mafia, I totally would have taken the idea that people were assuming I had an investigative role and ran with it. He didn't do that, which leads me to believe that he's just being quick and dirty in his posts... maybe not thinking them through very well. I see why he's getting upset about the Hybrid thing. I've been FOS'd pretty hard before for sticking to my guns about someone being town and then them flipping town and everyone saying I'm acting toooo town. It's a bit of a WIFOM, but I felt pretty vindicated when it happened too and I bragged a little.

 

I'm also pretty keen on believing Min because it'd be pretty easy for a doubler to counter-claim. Now, there is a possibility that Min and Ishy are running a gambit. If something incriminating happens on one, and flips mafia, then I say this is a rare case of being able to link players safely. But for now, both are off my voting list.

 

I will think on this a little longer

 

your case on Barm is solid imo. and yes Barm your reaction over the No Lynch was blownup. but i don't like how your breadcrumming with this statement to lay doubt about Ishy's claim in the future and linking players together. and i question this late barm train.

 

 

 

[bgrishinko]

@Barmy Fair enough, at some point I'll go back and see what it was that pinged me about you, but I was just reading through to catch up mainly and it was an overall vibe.

 

As for now, I'm not convinced about Nolder for one reason... If I were him and Mafia, I totally would have taken the idea that people were assuming I had an investigative role and ran with it. He didn't do that, which leads me to believe that he's just being quick and dirty in his posts... maybe not thinking them through very well. I see why he's getting upset about the Hybrid thing. I've been FOS'd pretty hard before for sticking to my guns about someone being town and then them flipping town and everyone saying I'm acting toooo town. It's a bit of a WIFOM, but I felt pretty vindicated when it happened too and I bragged a little.

 

I'm also pretty keen on believing Min because it'd be pretty easy for a doubler to counter-claim. Now, there is a possibility that Min and Ishy are running a gambit. If something incriminating happens on one, and flips mafia, then I say this is a rare case of being able to link players safely. But for now, both are off my voting list.

 

I will think on this a little longer

 

your case on Barm is solid imo. and yes Barm your reaction over the No Lynch was blownup. but i don't like how your breadcrumming with this statement to lay doubt about Ishy's claim in the future and linking players together. and i question this late barm train.

 

 

Well, okay, I'm not trying to breadcrumb. I stated before that I didn't really trust fully Ishy's claim. So there's that. I'm just sticking to my guns. I know how you feel about linking people, and there isn't much I can do about it, but until I see more proof of a true doubler from elsewhere, I'm just pointing out suspicions.

[Red2111]

fair enough BG

[bgrishinko]

...

 

i hate moving my vote from min at this point because the deadines so close. but with a statement like "I knew he was town" from Nol, thats too big of a slip to pass up. if the Nol train goes no where i'll move my vote back to Min, i'll be on until 3pm CST so thats plenty of time

 

 

i hate moving my vote from min at this point because the deadines so close. but with a statement like "I'm the roleblocker" without saying he's town from Hybrid, thats too big of a slip to pass up.

FTFY

 

same flakey reasoning, different player

 

so you pretend to actually quote me, while shoving in words that i never said. and yet your supposed to be working in the towns best interest. can you be anymore scummy Nol. i didn't say that, and i appreciate it (as i'm sure other players woudl as well) that you didn't make it appear as if that is a direct quote from me.

 

as far as i'm concerned, you could be doing this to other players, putting in words and claiming its a quote when it's not. to use this to try and make your poitn and argue your case is not only agains thte spirit of the game imo but is also very disrespectful to the person you quoting and shows just how flimsy your own arugment is since you have to fabricate a quote to make your point.

 

 

Also This ^^ : Changes my mind about Nolder. I've given the actual quotes for reference. Tried to see the benifit of the doubt in Nold... but, uh, even if he is town, this is just not cool.

 

Unvote: Vote Nolder

[Karasayl]

redloN etoV ,etovnU

 

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[mmeeshal]

I didn't even notice that quote-changing by Nolder, Red, I'm so glad you pointed that out, because I never would have gone back and checked if it hadn't been brought to my attention. That puts the nail in the coffin as far as I'm concerned.

 

VOTE NOLDER

 

You just don't mess with quotes that way, Nolder; that's not against the rules, but I'm sure any player of the game would see it as an unforgivable sin if you did it to them... paraphrasing is one thing, but changing someone's words and trying to pass it off as a direct quote? Aside from being very suspect, that's just not nice.

 

Also, your points directed at Min--I'm in total agreement with everything you just said. I can't vote for her in good conscience now that she's revealed, because it seems to match up, but, Min, if you don't want to appear scummy, try looking at your posts and your actions from an outsider's perspective. For all those of us who DON'T know how you feel inside, what your role PM said, and what your motives are, you were (and still are, IMO) coming across as very fishy. I'm not just picking on poor you and doubting your ever-truthful word, I'm reacting to what I see as legitimately suspicious behavior.

[mmeeshal]

redloN etoV ,etovnU

 

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Also, Karas, Nolder did say he wasn't claiming a role, just giving personal reads. I'll go back and find the quote, give me a sec. I saw that as major backpedaling, but at least we know he's not roleclaiming.

[bgrishinko]

(Offtopic: Feel free to ignore.... @mmeeshal, just realized you sig quote is the last verse in "How Firm a Foundation".... awesome.)

[mmeeshal]

Plus, I don't see how he has 3 readings, either. A finder that works every day and every night doesn't seem like a very nice role balance-wise, especially with the normal finder, unless the mafia is a crazy powerhouse of souped-up roles. And I doubt Nolder was doubled on Day 1, because then how would Ishy have been doubled?

I'm sorry

I wasn't clear

those are my own personal reads

I do not have any kind of investigative role

^This is the quote.

 

Also, I went back and read the original post where Nolder changed Red's quote, and I think I misunderstood his intentions before. He DID say "same flakey reasoning, different player." Taken in context, I'm actually thinking he meant to emphasize a point, not actually claim Red said that. I'm not going to remove my vote because we just don't have another decent lynch alternative at this point, but I no longer think the quote-thing in itself adds to his suspiciousness.

 

Just my opinion here.

[mmeeshal]

(Offtopic: Feel free to ignore.... @mmeeshal, just realized you sig quote is the last verse in "How Firm a Foundation".... awesome.)

3rd verse and last verse, actually.

*high fives BG* I'm not alone here!! ^^

[Red2111]

Plus, I don't see how he has 3 readings, either. A finder that works every day and every night doesn't seem like a very nice role balance-wise, especially with the normal finder, unless the mafia is a crazy powerhouse of souped-up roles. And I doubt Nolder was doubled on Day 1, because then how would Ishy have been doubled?

I'm sorry

I wasn't clear

those are my own personal reads

I do not have any kind of investigative role

^This is the quote.

 

Also, I went back and read the original post where Nolder changed Red's quote, and I think I misunderstood his intentions before. He DID say "same flakey reasoning, different player." Taken in context, I'm actually thinking he meant to emphasize a point, not actually claim Red said that. I'm not going to remove my vote because we just don't have another decent lynch alternative at this point, but I no longer think the quote-thing in itself adds to his suspiciousness.

 

Just my opinion here.

 

but it's how it was presendted. if you don't go back and read it, even with his words, it appears the quote was taken directly from my post and not altered. had it not been in the box, and in " " those thingies instead, there wouldn't be an issue. but for a perosn whose just skimming, or not really paying attention, it would appear as if thats what i said and that i'm controdicting myself in some way.

 

it's one thing to write in a persons quote to respond to them in a different color font like i do sometimes, and another to have a quote which links to a previous post and change the wording. especially since majority of the people assume its the actual quote and don't click the check mark in the upper left hand corner to make sure it's not been altered.

[Nolder]

do none of you even wonder what FTFY meant? or do you know and you just choose to ignore it?

whatever

[mmeeshal]

but it's how it was presendted. if you don't go back and read it, even with his words, it appears the quote was taken directly from my post and not altered. had it not been in the box, and in " " those thingies instead, there wouldn't be an issue. but for a perosn whose just skimming, or not really paying attention, it would appear as if thats what i said and that i'm controdicting myself in some way.

 

it's one thing to write in a persons quote to respond to them in a different color font like i do sometimes, and another to have a quote which links to a previous post and change the wording. especially since majority of the people assume its the actual quote and don't click the check mark in the upper left hand corner to make sure it's not been altered.

I do see what you're saying, Red, and yes, to the casual reader who isn't paying close attention (which I am, most of the time, regarding quotes), it does look like that's what you actually said and can be misinterpreted to think you said something you didn't actually say. Which would be uber-bad if that was Nolder's intention, and I can see where you're coming from, I really can.

 

It's just that, for me, reading it in context and thinking about it beyond surface value, it looks more like Nol misrepresented what he was trying to say. Maybe he didn't realize that directly quoting you would give the wrong impression, maybe he was just frustrated or not thinking about it thoroughly, I don't know. I just get the feeling that, in this case at least, his intention was NOT to cast any sort of suspicion on you, but more to emphasize his point. I think he did acknowledge he changed your quote, but not clearly enough for any of us to know what he meant the first time around.

 

This is just my opinion, though. Everyone else can interpret it how they want to, because I could be wrong.

[bgrishinko]

I think you missed the point Nolder. It isn't that you were "fixing" his quote, it is that the presentation is overly deceitful with a FTFY to cover your butt in case someone notices. It's not a super common expression, so you can bank on at least a few people getting suckered.

[mmeeshal]

do none of you even wonder what FTFY meant? or do you know and you just choose to ignore it?

whatever

I did vaguely wonder, but I don't know. Of course, now that you brought it up, I guess I'll go google it.

 

Okay, "Fixed that for you."

 

Yeah, I'm going to stand by what I said, then. I think the quote thing is more of a misunderstanding than a legitimate reason to lynch Nolder. Unfortunately we don't have any better options and the quote thing wasn't the only thing Nol did to look scummy, either.

[mmeeshal]

I think you missed the point Nolder. It isn't that you were "fixing" his quote, it is that the presentation is overly deceitful with a FTFY to cover your butt in case someone notices. It's not a super common expression, so you can bank on at least a few people getting suckered.

Gah, I keep getting ninja'd. XD

[ed2funy]

Unvote,

Vote Nolder.

 

 

You're acting like a scummy baby.

[mmeeshal]

I think that's the hammer?

[Sakaea]

If I counted right, that was hammer vote. *waits for the Mod Goddess*

[LilyElizabeth]

That was the hammer. Give me a minute to write a death scene.

[LilyElizabeth]

Vote count:

 

Nolder (10) – Des, Red, Min, Ishy, Vam, Sakaea, Bg, Karas, Meesh, Ed

Min (2) – Verb, Hoof

Ama (1) – Wombat

Vambram (1) – Nolder

 

 

Not voting – Lanth, Ama, Barm, Raena

 

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline Thursday 8 PM MST.

 

Throughout the day, there was a lot of talk that Min must be one of the evil ones. She protested but the crowd wasn’t buying it. Finally, she said “It isn’t me. I’m the one who was doubling powers.” Many of you believed her, and turned to another. He argued his case over and over, yet all he did was convince more and more of you that he was evil. He must die. Now, how to kill him? As you were discussing it, a giant walked by and heard you talking. He said “I can do it quickly, if you want” and you pushed Nolder towards him. The giant quickly ripped his head off and it was done.

 

 

 

 

Nolder, Elf, roleless townie, was lynched.

 

It is now night 2. You have until Friday 12PM MST to turn in night actions.

[LilyElizabeth]

By the way, I won't be home tomorrow at noon, so if y'all wait until tomorrow, you'll have to wait for me to get home. I'm pretty much getting up and leaving right away.

[John E. Kelley]

We're not doing so well this time are we?