[Advanced] Lily's Mythical Beings Mafia

[Verbal32]

Ok! Ok! It's just a little hard to grasp what is wanted when half of you are saying I should post townie reveals and half are saying I shouldn't. But that being said, the ones asking for me to reveal townie reads, they may be asking for scummy reasons yeah? *Looks at Min*

 

Do what you think is right, even if it ends up being wrong. But don't blindly follow the lead of others. You never know their intentions....

 

 

 

 

It doesn't paint a target for the mafia. They already know who is town and who isn't. It isn't like he is revealing roles. That would be painting a target. It is nice to know who is town that way when we are looking at the list we can narrow it down some. I don't think we should rely on Ishy coming to their rescue if we are close to a lynch. That is how I feel about it. They don't know who the healer is and hopefully won't know. So, they have no clue who is being protected.

I know I would still be suspicious of Red and knowing she was viewed helps me. Now I know the godfather can hide, however we have what we have to work with and the more information we have the better. Remember, the mafia knows who is mafia and who isn't already. The town knowing just helps catch them.

 

So, because you don't like the idea of the town having useful information meesh makes me wonder if you have something to hide.

 

No, Min. The idea is that the Cop only intervenes if the town is about to lynch one of their townie views -- THAT is how they can provide the info to town. The mafia WILL kill the ones confirmed by an uncontested Cop....it provides the least amount of information. The mafia now knows who to avoid major tangles with. This is just logic - when you provide scum a roadmap, they will follow it.

[Red2111]

Ishy, good choices on who to view. Doubler, who ever you are, stay hidden and keep helping out finder.

 

normally i'd be against revealing findings, but right now our situation is different. like others said, scum will likely NK any confirmed innocents to keep the air of confusion in the game. but, right now our finder is able to view 2 people. this means, by revealing both people even if they are townie, we still have 1 up on the scum even if they NK a confirmed.

 

 

that said, Ed has moved up on my list. last night he claims to be targetting Ishy, and makes himself a good target, then he admits to not helping out Ishy at all. i question the motives of this and wonder if he was maybe trying to draw healer support in a way. it's a tiny FoS because theres no way a healer shouldn't not protect a finder; but still, eds one sneaky fellow and the move strikes me as odd.

 

 

also, Barm makes a good point about Vam. but again, isn't this the same reason Hybrid was lynch, because he didn't explain himself. Barm already has my FoS over his blow up over the No Lynch, part of me thinks he may be trying to use the fall out from Hybrids manipulate who we lynch.

 

 

I'm just going to say that I doubt the wisdom of listing off every town player you find.... Admittedly, Des and Red are good choices to view, but you don't need to broadcast your findings; if you're telling the truth, you're painting a target on their backs. It would be better to clear them when they're in danger of being lynched, rather than just because you know they're town.

 

Either that was an innocent mistake, or an attempt by a mafia to either clear two of his teammates, or create a WIFOM. Next time, only share names if they're scum, Ish.

 

this is how i feel about revealing innocent findings generally, but right now our situation is unique, as we have a hidden doubler letting him veiw 2 people.

 

 

It doesn't paint a target for the mafia. They already know who is town and who isn't. It isn't like he is revealing roles. That would be painting a target. It is nice to know who is town that way when we are looking at the list we can narrow it down some. I don't think we should rely on Ishy coming to their rescue if we are close to a lynch. That is how I feel about it. They don't know who the healer is and hopefully won't know. So, they have no clue who is being protected.

I know I would still be suspicious of Red and knowing she was viewed helps me. Now I know the godfather can hide, however we have what we have to work with and the more information we have the better. Remember, the mafia knows who is mafia and who isn't already. The town knowing just helps catch them.

 

So, because you don't like the idea of the town having useful information meesh makes me wonder if you have something to hide.

 

VOTE: MIN

 

this statement reeks of scum, especailly the underlined portion of which every experienced player knows is false. Scum generally kill confirmed innocents, the fact your arguing they dont or wont says to me that you have an alterior motive.

[Sakaea]

I'd like to hear from Amadine and Lanth. Seems to me they've been pretty low-key so far, and everyone else has posted quite a bit.

 

Also, VOTE MIN for advocating what is, to me, a pro-scum position on the Ishy revealing town issue. I'm not the only who thinks that's scummy, obviously, but such a blatant pro-scum position deserves my vote.

[Nolder]

wait no

guys

roleblocker doesn't have to be mafia

it's just more suited to being mafia

a townie roleblocker implies a more powerful mafia

I really don't think we need kill hybrid

if he's town I don't think the mafia can afford to leave him alive

also look at the reasons being given for these votes

a lot of this is pure BW

you know mafia has to be on this lynch

they wouldn't bus their roleblocker this easily

 

I don't know what case there is if any against des so I'm sorry

call this bandwagoning if you want but it's done with the intent to save our roleblocker from being lynched

Unvote: Barm

Vote: Des

 

hopefully some of you will come to your senses and switch

 

hmmmmmmm

 

translation of everything Nolder has said from here until Hybrid was lynched: excellent, a townie is going down even though he claimed! i shall jump to his defence since no matter what i say we are too close to deadline to lynch someone else and he will be lynched in favour of a random. what a good way to make myself look innocent even thouh i am not and am actually mafia/cult/SK!

I'm sorry you feel that way

do you have any evidence to back this claim though?

 

you had plenty of time to say right out you were a TOWN roleblocker. implying isnt good enough when people are clearly ready to lynch on a semantic point.

if they were ready to lynch due to semantics it was already too late

Hybrid could have said "I'm sorry I didn't say it before but yes I am Town" and most of the people that lynched him would have said he should have said it earlier or that he lost his chance or somesuch

they were out for blood and I don't think there was anything Hybrid could do to stop them at that point

 

oh man that feels good

I mean it's crappy that you guys killed our roleblocker (and it is true that they can be just as harmful as useful if used improperly (the same can be said of a vig)) but this is one of the most satisfying "I told you so"'s I've ever had

partially because I wasn't 100% sure Hybrid was innocent

the case against him was decent and that had me worried

but the quick bandwagon with the reasoning that he didn't state he was town was a huge tipoff that this was a mafia lynch

so yeah

that's all I've got to say about that

RIP Hybrid

 

oh also one more thing

how in the heck did we manage to tie up a dragon anyway let alone pick him up and throw him off a cliff

maybe he was a small dragon I dunno

 

oh nolder, as if you didnt know Hybrid was town. you and your mafia teammates DO know who all the town are, remember?

 

you were the ONLY one defending hybrid- and you did it so vehemently, despite the reasonably case agaisnt him.

 

that means that you were- miraculously- the only town to see through how scummy hybrid acted or you had inside information (ie: information that scum possess). i favour the latter.

are you really so convinced I'm mafia due to one incident? you seem to have the Too Townie mindset

why is it so hard to believe that I am a townie and I spoke in defense of my teammate Hybrid when I realized he was town?

there were signs that pointed to this fact which I pointed out (mafia wouldn't bus their own roleblocker so easily for one) but I guess that counts for nothing simply because I was the only one speaking out?

 

as for how scummy Hybrid acted

remember I was not presented a case against him until long after I'd made my argument

I admit he was somewhat scummy but by that time I was already convinced of his innocence

think about it

townies get lynched all the time for being scummy in mafia

but how often does the mafia bus their roleblocker so easily?

I'm sorry I couldn't make that fact clear enough in time

but I tried my best

if you want to try to lynch me for it go ahead but I'm not going down without a fight

[Nolder]

oh man that feels good

I mean it's crappy that you guys killed our roleblocker (and it is true that they can be just as harmful as useful if used improperly (the same can be said of a vig)) but this is one of the most satisfying "I told you so"'s I've ever had

partially because I wasn't 100% sure Hybrid was innocent

the case against him was decent and that had me worried

but the quick bandwagon with the reasoning that he didn't state he was town was a huge tipoff that this was a mafia lynch

so yeah

that's all I've got to say about that

RIP Hybrid

 

this post reeks. you pointedly stayed on Desp vote, which could have cost us the majority; then you come out directly with a "You guys suck" type post after Hybrids death. this post and yuou actions of not getting on Hybrids vote, as well as a lock of a clear reason for voting Dewp stink of scum trying to distance form the vote and trying to appear town.

I'm sorry I just do not understand what you're trying to say here

can you restate it?

I think you're trying to call me scum because I put my vote on des and defended hybrid but hybrid was town so I don't really get your reasoning

[Nolder]

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that sucks

could be worse though

[Nolder]

Not really. I'm going to assume you don't know this already and explain. Forgive me if I miss anything; other people will correct me or add to what I say if I don't get it all.

 

When you name townies innocent who had absolutely no need for it to be declared, that leaves them easy targets for mafia to nightkill. Why is that? Because, now we know they're innocent, it's a free kill, with very little information gleaned. We already knew they weren't scum, and we likely knew they weren't on a team with anyone, so...what? When townies remain secret to the public, they're a bit safer, especially if they're prominent figures in the game. If you think about it, why would mafia NK someone who could conceivably BE mafia, as far as the rest of the town is concerned?

 

Drawing from experience, as mafia I tried to increase the town's suspicion of non-mafia who were acting scummy. That way, it's distracting the town, and if they get lynched, so much the better for me, as mafia. I wouldn't have killed someone who was a top suspect for scum; what would be the point?

 

That's my experience with the issue.

nicely put!

[Nolder]

precisely, ishy. only reveal an innocent findng if the townie in question is soon to be lynched.

 

FOS@Min for asking ishy to report

 

anyway, going off his intense scummy defense of Hybrid, i can only vote one way:

 

vote nolder

 

 

@lily: thank you for the clarification

I expect you to back this up with further reasoning because voting me for staunchly protecting a townie power role does not really flow very well logically without some supplemental evidence showing how my motivations are scummy

[Nolder]

It doesn't paint a target for the mafia. They already know who is town and who isn't.

you're missing the part where they know that we know now

if someone is not suspicious then the mafia need to bump them off

[Nolder]

ok I'm caught up

btw I think I missed the actual reveals

when did cop claim for the first time?

and did ed claim something?

[Minuet]

Well, I am town. Just because of my view on reveals you all want to lynch me. Okay, that is fine, just know that you are lynching someone with a great town power. I am not going to reveal what. Either you lynch me or you don't. I am tired of trying to defend myself when I am town. You will all probably think I am scum because of this post too and the fact I won't reveal. My thought is you either think I am scum or you don't. Plain and simple.

 

Meanwhile I am going to try and do some real scum hunting.

 

Vote Ed

 

You alluded to some kind of enhancement of Ishy's powers. I think you tracked someone's powers and then made it seem like it was yours. I don't trust you.

 

 

 

 

 

[Nolder]

I think it's even more important now that someone point out these reveals I appear to have missed

 

also Min, can you tell us the nature of your power?

is it passive or do you have to choose to use? is it a killing power, investigative power? one shot?

[LilyElizabeth]

Vote count:

 

Vambram (2) – Barm, Karas

Nolder (1) – Hoof

Min (2) – Red, Sakaea

Ed (1) - Min

 

Not voting – Verb, Ishy, Vam, Ed, Des, Key, Raena, Meesh, Ama, Lanth, Nolder, Kat

 

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline Wednesday 8 PM MST.

 

 

Also, Key has asked to be replaced. I'll be looking for someone. If you have any friends who want to play, let them know.

[LilyElizabeth]

Bgrishinko will be replacing Key.

[bgrishinko]

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Hi!

 

 

[bgrishinko]

Also, If I'm sparse for a while, it is because I'm catching up. I'll join the fray soon enough.

[Minuet]

Welcome to the game bgr!

 

To answer your question Nolder, it is a power I have all game. I get to choose my target and it is VERY beneficial. That is about all I will say. Look at it this way... if you don't lynch me today I am probably the mafia's nk for tonight. It is better me then our finder, so healer you either protect the finder or yourself. Don't waste your power on me if by some miracle the town doesn't lynch me.

[Nolder]

hmmmm

there's a lot to consider here

I think I'll try to judge you based on your previous actions and how you're regarded by others in the near future rather than your behavior lately and your claim

[Nolder]

also welcome to the game bg

[mmeeshal]

I honestly don't know what to think of you, Min. You're asking the finder to reveal all his findings as they come up, you're softclaiming and refusing to openly reveal no matter what happens, and you're taking a defeatist attitude which hurts the town as a whole if you are in fact a townie with a great power. Maybe you really are town; it's possible. I can't say I've never gotten irritated with all the accusations flying my way when I was town in prior games. I've thrown up my hands and given up, and I can tell you that in hindsight, if you really are just frustrated, it doesn't serve the town at all. Not at all.

 

Knowing that this is a game where we have to be suspicious of everyone, and examine every action and word carefully, I have to seriously doubt the sincerity of your claims. You have 2 votes on you; not everyone has weighed in on your actions, and you're not even close to being lynched. You really don't have much reason to be so "tired" of having to defend yourself, and if you're referring to other games, well, unfortunately those don't have any bearing on this one. I've learned that the hard way.

 

So, my point is, coming from a skeptical point of view, which is something we all should have concerning every piece of knowledge that wasn't given to us by the mod or confirmed by the mod, your post really just sounds like scum trying to guilt people into backing off. If you have a town power that is really THAT beneficial to have, then you SHOULD fight to stay alive, revealing if you have to, because otherwise you are hurting the town, something that you shouldn't want. To clarify, I don't think you should reveal now, but neither do I think you should totally rule out revealing as an option in any case. If you're headed to a lynch and the hammer's on its way, revealing would be helpful.

 

The only reason I'm NOT 100% sure you're scum is that I've gotten too involved in games myself, so I know it's possible. I'm only going to withhold my vote long enough to see how you respond; if you continue to behave consistently with this last post of yours, then I'm going to vote for you, because you're not helping much if you're town, and you're not going to get away with your antics if you're scum.

 

 

Also, to Lily, Leelou's not in this game anymore, Meesh is.

[mmeeshal]

Also, to clarify, I was responding to this post, nothing since then; I was ninja'd. >.>

 

Well, I am town. Just because of my view on reveals you all want to lynch me. Okay, that is fine, just know that you are lynching someone with a great town power. I am not going to reveal what. Either you lynch me or you don't. I am tired of trying to defend myself when I am town. You will all probably think I am scum because of this post too and the fact I won't reveal. My thought is you either think I am scum or you don't. Plain and simple.

 

Meanwhile I am going to try and do some real scum hunting.

 

Vote Ed

 

You alluded to some kind of enhancement of Ishy's powers. I think you tracked someone's powers and then made it seem like it was yours. I don't trust you.

[LilyElizabeth]

Thanks for catching my mistake, Meesh. That's what I get for working ahead......

[LilyElizabeth]

Vote count:

 

Vambram (2) – Barm, Karas

Nolder (1) – Hoof

Min (2) – Red, Sakaea

Ed (1) - Min

 

Not voting – Verb, Ishy, Vam, Ed, Des, Bg, Raena, Meesh, Ama, Lanth, Nolder, Kat

 

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline Wednesday 8 PM MST.

 

 

Updated with new names.

[LilyElizabeth]

You guys do realize that the deadline is tomorrow, right? You also realize that if I random kill you get no coroner info, right? Just making sure...

[Verbal32]

normally i'd be against revealing findings, but right now our situation is different. like others said, scum will likely NK any confirmed innocents to keep the air of confusion in the game. but, right now our finder is able to view 2 people. this means, by revealing both people even if they are townie, we still have 1 up on the scum even if they NK a confirmed.

 

Our situation is the same as any other with confirmed innocents. Scum will kill them. I was trying to think of a better way to word it, but Nolder did it PERFECTLY. See below:

 

 

It doesn't paint a target for the mafia. They already know who is town and who isn't.

you're missing the part where they know that we know now

if someone is not suspicious then the mafia need to bump them off

 

EXACTLY. Confirmed innocents are not lynch potentials. Therefore, the mafia must kill them to avoid the town whittling the field down. This is very simple logic. FOS to the players refusing to see it.

 

 

 

Well, I am town. Just because of my view on reveals you all want to lynch me. Okay, that is fine, just know that you are lynching someone with a great town power. I am not going to reveal what. Either you lynch me or you don't. I am tired of trying to defend myself when I am town. You will all probably think I am scum because of this post too and the fact I won't reveal. My thought is you either think I am scum or you don't. Plain and simple.

 

Meanwhile I am going to try and do some real scum hunting.

 

Vote Ed

 

You alluded to some kind of enhancement of Ishy's powers. I think you tracked someone's powers and then made it seem like it was yours. I don't trust you.

Welcome to the game bgr!

 

To answer your question Nolder, it is a power I have all game. I get to choose my target and it is VERY beneficial. That is about all I will say. Look at it this way... if you don't lynch me today I am probably the mafia's nk for tonight. It is better me then our finder, so healer you either protect the finder or yourself. Don't waste your power on me if by some miracle the town doesn't lynch me.

 

This is an advanced game. There are probably lots of roles floating around. Soft claims do no good for anybody, including yourself. It makes the town want to lynch you -- if you are town, then you don't want that. You keep saying people always think you are scum. I understand that frustration, but the reason is this: you play a scummy game. It's fine, lots of people do. Just know that it makes you a target. It works well for some, and not at all for others. If you don't feel it works for you, then change your style up. Totally your call, but you can't keep complaining about something that is entirely within your control to avoid.

 

As I know you've played plenty of mafia, it makes me wonder if you're trying to play games here. You've placed yourself into a self-fulfilling prophecy. Also, I miss the purple font. :-(

 

Vote: Min