Mafia Grievances

[Lenlo]

I know it been said before, but it doesnt help that the active talky people tend to get lynched or NKed first or at least faster than the inactive/lurkers. Ive tried being alot less lurky and more "post my thoughts and try and lead lynchs" lately and I have been lynched or NKed in the first 2-3 days in most every game Ive been in since I started trying to do this. I have no problem with being killed early, its part of the game, but it happening mainly to the active people is annoying.

[Nolder]

I just glanced at the two basic games up right now since I'm third in the queue at the moment and man those games are dragging

I'm not in them so unlike some people who can only allude to what games they're frustrated I can say, get it together guys

 

Ironeyes and Red I'm really looking at you guys

I know you can't make people be active but it's just as rude to your players to drag out your games in the hopes activity will pick up as it is of the players who are inactive are to you and the others

 

Set some deadlines, poke people, and modkill or replace them if you have to

[Red2111]

so, since when is "playing with the aim to piss people off" considered a legit playstyle?

 

we all know that tempers flair in this game, sometimes a person cases you and either purposefuly or unintentionally twists your words. some times we get tiered of the same old thing being done to us and we just snap. its the nature of the beast. argements flair up and people loose their cool, everyones done this, it happens.

 

but i have never in my playing for 3 years seen a person jump out of the gate with the direct intention to just piss people off and claim it as a play style. this isn't a play style, this is trolling. this isn't playing the game, its causing drama for the sake of drama.

 

while we're all competitive in this game, i think we can all agree we're also friends. theres just a certain bond thats created through all of us after we've played 50 odd games together. to set out to purposefully piss off a person in this game will hurt this aspect of mafia i love. it will create strife between players and build resentment as well; not only that, but it will put people off from wanting to play the game.

 

further more, it garners no real info. its not a good scum hunting technique. yes when people get flustered and angery in this game, it can create a tell, reactions are good. but only if its over GAME related info and even better yet, cases being brought against them from things they've said in the current game your playing in. if anything, this is more a scum tactic (and honestly, isn't a tactic i would employ even then). it causes an arguement to jump up out of nothing game related, is generally centered between 2 individuals over nothing game related and gives you no real info on the people.

 

 

 

thsi is why i say its nto a play style, its trolling; and honeslty, people employing this "tactic" need to go back t learning the basics if they think this is how you play the game.

[RandA lThor]

^ This

 

Also, whyme fryme? One of the worst arguments, imo. Literally, mafia votes with literally no reasoning, you ask why because you are scumhunting, and then they say oh whyme fryme and then everyone bandwagons you.

[bgrishinko]

I don't know if it proper to discuss this quite yet.

[Red2111]

i'm not talking abotu the game or game realted info. i'm talking about the apparent playstyle over all, which imo isn't a play style and is trolling

 

edit - because apparently its been used in multiple games recently by a few players.

[Gabriel Kross]

not really. Also, it's apparent what you are refferring to so I suggest you read Verbs post on this subject. As a friendly gesture.

[Red2111]

right i'm refering to your "playstyle" EP. one that you've been using in multiple games apparently (thoguh this is the first i've seen of it tbh). i can talk about this without bringing up current game info becuase its this so called "playstyle" that i have an issue with.

 

its not a play style, its just striaght up trolling and its not playing the game its just being a horses rear end. it also does more harm than good, in more ways than just being non informative in the thread. like i said, it has far reaching effects on the peopel playing the game, ie: makes new player not want to play the game, and makes regualr players not want to play with you. thsi game is more abotu having fun, than it is about winning for most of us. its about playing a good game and doing brilliant moves with your buddys while at the same time not compromising those same friendships. its a thin line to walk, but going in with the aim to piss off people crosses that line.

 

generally i have nothing to say about how people choose to play this game, but as i said, going in with the aim to purposefully piss people off any way you can is not a play style, its trolling and this i do have a problem with.

 

 

edit - i for one find your antics in games interesting (excluding this one), it think you have the makings for a good player once you get yoru style down, i'd rather not add you to the ignore list and i'd like to continue playing with you. but i'm sure i'm not the only one that considers this particular antic not kosher nor acceptable.

[Gabriel Kross]

No, my meta is to put together crazy plans. I have in the past done many different strategies. I cannot discuss further than this because it would talk about games in progress. If you'd like to discuss this do it where it is legal to do such.

[peacesells]

This is bad form Red. You of all people should know this. Having this discussion now WILL lead to game discussion while an active game is going on.

[Red2111]

sorry but i see this particular tactic as going against the spirit of the game, hence my post. this "tactic" is bigger than just one game and imo if continued to be employed could lead to mafia being done away with either becuase it creates too much drama or because it makes people not want to play. it has nothing to do with any games in play.

 

edit - but i'll drop it for now. i do want this addressed after the game though, becuase this tactic is bad form and not something that should be acceptable imo.

 

edit 2 - thsi is also not a "attack Ep for playstyle" sort of thing (which i see people do often and dont agree with). i'm attacking the tactic itself not the person who employed it currently. as i said, i perosnally find Ep to be an interesting player who has the makings for great player.

[peacesells]

Worth addressing post game. I agree with that.

[RandA lThor]

OK, can anyone address my point on whyme fryme?

[Red2111]

i've never heard the term "whyme fryme"

 

 

adn generally its the person who wagons with no reason that gets the pressure, unless the person the wagon is on is just scummy.

[Nolder]

Frustrating other players purposely is a 100% valid playstyle IMHO

It's a game about arguing with other people

If you are going to get upset when people are say...being purposely illogical then this game might not be for you

 

Also Whyme Fryme is a strategy that says anyone who says "why me?" while being voted deserves to fry aka lynch

It can be surprisingly effective although it really should not be depended on to always net scum

[keyholder21]

As peace and Red have already discussed, please refrain until after our game is done to talk about this. Thanks!

 

(Just putting this here so everyone knows how the mods feel.)

[RandA lThor]

Frustrating other players purposely is a 100% valid playstyle IMHO

It's a game about arguing with other people

If you are going to get upset when people are say...being purposely illogical then this game might not be for you

 

Also Whyme Fryme is a strategy that says anyone who says "why me?" while being voted deserves to fry aka lynch

It can be surprisingly effective although it really should not be depended on to always net scum

 

How is it effective at all? The whole point of what I am saying is that if someone randomly votes you, you're obviously going to ask why.

[Nolder]

Frustrating other players purposely is a 100% valid playstyle IMHO

It's a game about arguing with other people

If you are going to get upset when people are say...being purposely illogical then this game might not be for you

 

Also Whyme Fryme is a strategy that says anyone who says "why me?" while being voted deserves to fry aka lynch

It can be surprisingly effective although it really should not be depended on to always net scum

 

How is it effective at all? The whole point of what I am saying is that if someone randomly votes you, you're obviously going to ask why.

The underlying idea is that town wants to catch scum and isn't concerned with who finds them scummy

 

Essentially ignore your critics and focus on what other people are doing that is scummy

Only scum care about self preservation

[LilyElizabeth]

I agree that whyme fryme is stupid. Making people come up with some sort of reasoning for their vote is a legitimate thing to do.

[Gabriel Kross]

I agree that whyme fryme is stupid. Making people come up with some sort of reasoning for their vote is a legitimate thing to do.

 

I'd say it depends on how it's approached. If people follow along with the person who gave no reason, sure asking the person why is good. However, if no one paid the original no reason vote any mind, you are bringing un-needed attention down on yourself. People will then turn to the person that's making a big deal about nothing to figure out why.

[Nolder]

Exactly

If a vote is baseless why are you going to give it undue attention?

 

Whyme Fryme is less effective as the game goes on

In the early stages it's not something to ignore IMHO

[RandA lThor]

I agree that whyme fryme is stupid. Making people come up with some sort of reasoning for their vote is a legitimate thing to do.

 

I'd say it depends on how it's approached. If people follow along with the person who gave no reason, sure asking the person why is good. However, if no one paid the original no reason vote any mind, you are bringing un-needed attention down on yourself. People will then turn to the person that's making a big deal about nothing to figure out why.

 

However, if someone is online when the person posts that vote and asks why, then people call it whyme fryme too.

 

Frustrating other players purposely is a 100% valid playstyle IMHO

It's a game about arguing with other people

If you are going to get upset when people are say...being purposely illogical then this game might not be for you

 

Also Whyme Fryme is a strategy that says anyone who says "why me?" while being voted deserves to fry aka lynch

It can be surprisingly effective although it really should not be depended on to always net scum

 

How is it effective at all? The whole point of what I am saying is that if someone randomly votes you, you're obviously going to ask why.

The underlying idea is that town wants to catch scum and isn't concerned with who finds them scummy

 

Essentially ignore your critics and focus on what other people are doing that is scummy

Only scum care about self preservation

 

You can find scum with lazy votes like those. Whyme fryme is a way for scum to deflect the attention off of themselves.

[Nolder]

That's true Rand but townies are not perfect and "lazy" votes earlier in the game are more likely to be town than not

[RandA lThor]

I'm not saying their perfect, but personally, there are a lot of mafia players that are not very experienced who will put on votes for no reason at all.

[Nolder]

That's fine

You tell them after the game they probably shouldn't do that