[Advanced] Monty Python and the Holy Grail Mafia (Game Over)

[Sedai]

Player, what makes you suspicious of me? Why me over Red?

[dapianoplay3r]

Red more then you now.

Moon went after blackhoof after red said it then links Red and Charis Together, if Reds mafia then im guessing charis is innocent? Kill for kill type of thing

[Sedai]

Even though Moon defended Charis, and Moon voted Red? Red still isn't qualified innocent, but she is less scummy IMO.

[dapianoplay3r]

When I played Sypm I voted for mafia to throw off suspicion. Maybe im wrong but thats just how I read it

[berf]

Welcome back, jack.

 

My arguments re: you and red seem a touch outdated, at this point.

 

I'll have it noted I still always suspected moon - just thought Red was the better candidate. My logic at the time was sound, to my eyes.

 

 

Anyway. Onto the next case, eh? And more crazy night shennanigans? This is most night-talky game I've ever seen.

[Sedai]

What about Moon's defense of Charos, Player? I know Red isn't cleared. Just wanted to hear your theories.

 

Berf, I think Charis needs to be the next lynch.

[Sakaea]

Jack, I'm female.

 

Yay, we got the symp! *does the happy dance*

 

I don't understand why I am being looked at weird (figuratively speaking) for not wanting to lose town, including vanilla. But I am off to work, will check back in a few hours.

[Sedai]

Sorry about that.

[Sedai]

Berf your logic regarding Moon and Red was airtight. It's still good, but metagaming here, Moon defended Charis on thread, think she'd have enough skill to vote Red if Red were scum? She was second on the lynch so I don't believe so. If she were later on the ballot my oppinion may be different

[Sedai]

Oh and Red, what's your oppinion of me and your general oppinion on BG, Player, and Charis? What do you think of the game? What catches your eye?

[Red2111]

*Red continues to build her mud pie, humming the american anthem*

 

 

  On 7/1/2011 at 10:56 AM, ineedfourberfs said:

Welcome back, jack.

 

My arguments re: you and red seem a touch outdated, at this point.

 

I'll have it noted I still always suspected moon - just thought Red was the better candidate. My logic at the time was sound, to my eyes.

 

 

Anyway. Onto the next case, eh? And more crazy night shennanigans? This is most night-talky game I've ever seen.

 

so you accuse me of ignoring you, and now you ignor my retort. hey pot, this is kettle!

 

 

 

  On 7/1/2011 at 1:36 PM, Jack_D said:

Oh and Red, what's your oppinion of me and your general oppinion on BG, Player, and Charis? What do you think of the game? What catches your eye?

 

 

your still up on my list. the silencing neither condems or clears you more imo, as i've seen scum use it to clear members. the only thing that catches me up is that they didn't force me to vote for you and instead chose Min.

 

i'd like to see if anyone else claims to be silenced. Charis i think was being set up by the scum, Moon tried to play off her as well as Min; that still has me a bit weary. my short list is (not in any particular order)

 

Min

Jack

GF

Womby

Sakaea

 

 

i don't have much of a read yet on BG & Player; player has been quiet until recently and BG really hasn't caught my notice. then theres the lurkers as well. i've known scum to lurk in a game.

[Liathiana]

Hey guys! I'm replacing...someone and I'll be spending a lot of time rereading the 40+ pages of the game. I'll try and post something of substance when I'm done :D

[Sakaea]

Welcome Lia

[Sedai]

Red, so moon's blatant defense of Charis means nothing, even after she flipped symp?

[Sedai]

Red, the fact that I posted and had to clear my posts should clear me. If I were scum and knew I were vein silenced I wouldn't have posted and had to delete my posts.

[Tiinker]

  On 7/1/2011 at 5:23 PM, Jack_D said:

Red, so moon's blatant defense of Charis means nothing, even after she flipped symp?

 

Well her blatant defense was because she was mad at you actually, which sorry mate is pretty believable. But yeah don't rule it out.

 

Only thing I want to know is what Min was saying about it being so obvious that Red was town. I read through the posts 2 - 3 times and nothing really caught my eye. Or was she just role fishing? - Doubt this though because of how she posted earlier.

[Sedai]

  On 7/1/2011 at 5:41 PM, Tiinker said:

  On 7/1/2011 at 5:23 PM, Jack_D said:

Red, so moon's blatant defense of Charis means nothing, even after she flipped symp?

 

Well her blatant defense was because she was mad at you actually, which sorry mate is pretty believable. But yeah don't rule it out.

 

Only thing I want to know is what Min was saying about it being so obvious that Red was town. I read through the posts 2 - 3 times and nothing really caught my eye. Or was she just role fishing? - Doubt this though because of how she posted earlier.

 

That sounds like a cover up IMO. She said she was mad at me for telling people how to play. I never did that. I posted my past experience and added what usually happens when certain situations arise. So that was grasping at straws IMO to cover up the slip she made

[Minuet]

  On 6/10/2011 at 9:28 PM, alannalynn said:

  On 6/9/2011 at 2:50 PM, Alanna said:

Wow, it was funny the first time, but four people vote him for not seeing the movie?

 

  On 6/9/2011 at 3:52 AM, WWWwombat said:

I have a confession to make. I never saw the source material.

 

I've only seen parts of it here and there.

Reading back and catching up really quick, and I have to agree with Alanna here. Minuet sticks out to me most for her vote, and even though nobody was really making it THAT big of a deal that there was a bandwagon on Womby, Min unvotes here:

 

  On 6/9/2011 at 6:34 PM, Minuet said:

I only voted for Wombat as a joke.

 

So, what is the air speed velocity of a laden swallow?

Yeah, I think everyone voted him as a joke, but it was four jumping on the bandwagon because he hadn't seen the source material (trench doesn't count).

 

  On 6/9/2011 at 9:31 PM, WWWwombat said:

Interesting.

Agreed.

 

Also weird is some people just unvoting randomly, even those not on the Wombat train. Why, if I may ask? Hell, why even unvote Wombat if it was just a joke and nothing to be worried about? ...Right? Clearly, if you are town, and joke voted him, you have absolutely nothing to worry about, like him being lynched, being that town are the majority. At least, one would think. I would wager at least one on the aforementioned Wombat-Four is mafia.

 

"What is your name?" Alanna BoBanna of the Bannas

"What is your quest?" To seek the holy grail.

"What is your favorite color?" Blue... no green.

 

Arg.

 

 

  On 6/10/2011 at 10:14 PM, Ahmoondah Sedai said:

AJ, I think you might actually be on to something with Min.

Unvote Vote Minuet

 

 

  On 6/11/2011 at 4:26 PM, alannalynn said:

  On 6/10/2011 at 10:14 PM, Ahmoondah Sedai said:

AJ, I think you might actually be on to something with Min.

Unvote Vote Minuet

Care to think further for yourself? I never explicitly said that Min is scum, just that she's the most suspicious to me (actually, I didn't even say THAT). But I still didn't vote her (I think my vote is still on Sakaea). Odd that you would jump and vote for her, are you just working off other people's thinking?

 

 

  On 6/11/2011 at 6:48 AM, Blackhoof said:

except.... SCUM!!! dun dun dunnnnn!

 

vote min

No reason for voting? And your vote wasn't even counted, Mister No-Unvote.

 

 

  On 6/11/2011 at 4:33 PM, Ahmoondah Sedai said:

AJ to be honest, part of the reason of my vote vs Min is this:

  On 6/9/2011 at 10:21 PM, Minuet said:

Brave, brave Sir Robin road forth from Camelot....

that line stuck the "Brave sir Robin" songs in my head for hours. If anyone is scum, it's Sir Robin's minstrels. For all I know, she is Sir Robin. But, her mentioning that song.

BAH.

 

Scummy song stuck in my head.

 

This is why I voted for Moon. Took her a few days to move that vote and when she did it still didn't seem right as she just followed someone else. Now, not saying it was scummy to vote for me about the song, but it seems like she came up with an excuse when AJ called her out.

 

Oh, and yes I actually used quotes. Not something I do often.

[Sedai]

I wonder if anyone will listen to me about Charis, IMO that's the best case we have for scum ATM. The only thing that'd trump moon's defense of her is a finder viewing. And if a finder views Charis and finds her scum, they shouldn't say anything, because she is a likely lynch candidate. If she doesn't swing and a finder has a viewing on her then that'd be perfect time. Just saying.

[Krakalakachkn]

Lia is replacing Alannalynn. That is all.

[bgrishinko]

  On 7/2/2011 at 12:26 AM, Jack_D said:

I wonder if anyone will listen to me about Charis, IMO that's the best case we have for scum ATM. The only thing that'd trump moon's defense of her is a finder viewing. And if a finder views Charis and finds her scum, they shouldn't say anything, because she is a likely lynch candidate. If she doesn't swing and a finder has a viewing on her then that'd be perfect time. Just saying.

 

 

Oh come on. Look at this. If you hadn't had your posts removed without a mod hammer, I'd say this was blatant scum behavior. I don't see the advantage as town in this.

 

You are basically setting up a no fail situation for scum.... may help you with your personal goals, but not the towns. Let's pretend you are town. Finder views Charis, scum result. We hear nothing about it... must be scum, you will say. Charis is lynceds. Great. But this could happen no matter what.

But, here's the problem. What if Charis turns up town? Finder doesn't want to reveal themself. Says nothing, tries to move attention elsewhere. We hear nothing, must be scum you will say. Referencing your post above. Townie gets lynched. Bad. Makes you look pretty bad.

 

Or finder hints strongly enough Charis is innocent, bam. We know who the finder is. Charis is spared and we potentially lynch a scum instead. Sounds good, right? Well... mafia probably knows the finder now, guess who gets nightkilled? Not worth it.

 

Charis could be scum. If so, we can get her. A finder view could even help get an extra vote. But the way you suggest us to find out reeks. If people go along with your scenario then there are 2 end results. Simply put... your post basically says "finder view Charis and speak up or Charis dies." Sounds more like an ultimatum than a scum finding plan.

[bgrishinko]

Jack, if you want people... well, if you want me to listen to your arguments, please, gather your evidence into coherent post instead of strung out posts all over the place I'm probably not going to search for and try and remember what you said. set up a good case in a coherent post with evidence... otherwise your posts feel like a fly buzzing around my head.

[Sedai]

BG all my theories would have been in one post but I couldn't post that many quoteblocks. Besides I call out immediately anytime I see something scummy. Why wait to collect posts when one catches your eye?

 

I wasn't setting it up to lynch Charis, because Moon's coroner report did enough of that. Besides if Charis gets ran up she will have a chance to role-claim then she may or may not be lynched. I'm personally predisposed to lynching her because Moon's defense of her is enough for me.

 

You don't see the advantage of the finder staying hidden if they view a likely lynch candidate and get a guilty reading? I stated that on the chance I get nk. If I do I'm putting things in place to help the town as much as I can. That's why I'm vocal at night. I don't want to get NK'ed with important information, well information I think is important, to the town. Because if your nk'Ed you can't share it.

 

Actually BG my post doesn't suggest that. You spinning it until it's dizzy does but my post doesn't.

 

My post said

 

1) if the finder views Charis and gets a guilty don't speak up

A) reasons being she is a likely lynch

B) don't expose the finder this early in the game

1) if I were scum I'd be thinking anyway I could to get a finder reveal. Just saying.

 

2) If Charis is getting away Scott free, and a finder has viewed her and found her scum, please speak up so we can lynch a mafioso

 

So I don't know where you got all that other crazy stuff from. You have definitely solidified your position on my scum list this game.

[Sedai]

That post was supposed to be in outline format. Hence the weird numberings and letterings.

 

Also

 

I find it slightly odd that Red still thinks I'm scummy, after her theory of me being a symp was wrong, so why do you Red, still think I'm scummy? According to you, I've played a symps game, so what would that make me with the symp dead?

 

BG, one more point before I go to bed, And my vacation,

 

do you not find it weird the reason Moon was lynched because she defended Charis, and people are now trying to edge away from that fact?

 

If Moon wouldn't have defended Charis, from my questioning, there is a very good chance she would still be alive tonight.

 

So isn't the next logical thought in the thought process to lynch the person a known symp has defended?

[bgrishinko]

  On 7/2/2011 at 3:34 AM, Jack_D said:

BG all my theories would have been in one post but I couldn't post that many quoteblocks. Besides I call out immediately anytime I see something scummy. Why wait to collect posts when one catches your eye?

 

I wasn't setting it up to lynch Charis, because Moon's coroner report did enough of that. Besides if Charis gets ran up she will have a chance to role-claim then she may or may not be lynched. I'm personally predisposed to lynching her because Moon's defense of her is enough for me.

 

You don't see the advantage of the finder staying hidden if they view a likely lynch candidate and get a guilty reading? I stated that on the chance I get nk. If I do I'm putting things in place to help the town as much as I can. That's why I'm vocal at night. I don't want to get NK'ed with important information, well information I think is important, to the town. Because if your nk'Ed you can't share it.

 

Actually BG my post doesn't suggest that. You spinning it until it's dizzy does but my post doesn't.

 

My post said

 

1) if the finder views Charis and gets a guilty don't speak up

A) reasons being she is a likely lynch

B) don't expose the finder this early in the game

1) if I were scum I'd be thinking anyway I could to get a finder reveal. Just saying.

 

2) If Charis is getting away Scott free, and a finder has viewed her and found her scum, please speak up so we can lynch a mafioso

 

So I don't know where you got all that other crazy stuff from. You have definitely solidified your position on my scum list this game.

 

 

I wan't implying all your posts should always be big casings, only that you are asking everyone to go along with you and wondering why they are not like you and you are the only one with any brains. "Why wait when something catches your eye?" You had a whole day to think through all the ideas and points you had while quiet, and could have put in a little work into organizing it somewhere, but instead you lash out with copy and pasted stuff as they came to your brain at tons of people and try and get Red back on your good side over and over.

 

And stop trying to take all the credit for discovering Moon's defense of Charis like you single handedly took out the Symp. Moon had plenty of other incriminating posts and things going on. If you hadn't said something about that, someone else would have. It's not that tough to figure out.

 

And dude, you just need to settle down for a bit when someone says something critical about you. It feels like a random message board troll made there way into here trying to pick fights just to pick fights. You blast out all day long at everyone, but when someone responds back, you can't take it. If you'd replied "You misunderstood, here is what I meant..." explaining more clearly what your post meant, then I can be like "Oh, my bad, looks like I didn't understand what you meant. That makes more sense." You'll notice I didn't call you scum, I just thought your post wasn't a good strategy and would be more helpful to scum. Sorry if I misinterpreted what you meant in that post, but what if I wasn't the only one who saw it that way. Others might or might not speak so openly and just suspect you even more.

 

I am not spinning anything. I'm just looking at both sides of the coin.

Again, both your 1) and 2) points assume that Charis will, in fact, be guilty.

I know the advantage of not saying anything as a finder, please don't insult my intelligence like that, but it sounds like you are trying to move the finder's hand for them.

 

 

Give both sides of the story, otherwise you are spinning it.

What happens in your scenario if Charis gets an innocent read? Your idea works if and only if Charis is indeed scum.

 

 

Now follow up to your second post:

 

I've been going back and reviewing Moon's posts with new eyes thanks to the info we gained. I agree that info can be found, but I don't want to be targeted at night while making that sort of casing. I said so earlier. If you want to point out where Moon defended Charis, by all means reference it or quote it, that would be very helpful. I agree that the defense of Charis has implications + charis's other suspect actions. But you like to make it sound like Moon was in love with Charis and defended her to her wits end, dying to save the evil mafia Charis... but in my reviewings I've found places where Moon seems to call Charis scummy at times too... so? I'll let you figure out where that was so you can review a bit yourself. Anyway, more on my opinions of Moon's words and the possible implications in the morning.