Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[killuliu]

interesting. And we should remember that mcs according to his comment was foubting Nyn, but for some reason didn't vote her, instead voting nae only after nae voted herself.

 

But seems like my whole analyze and suspecting was in vain indeed :D But hopefully the post had some value at least, as it seems.

[Myndrunner]

Cozying up to Mynd noted. ;-)

 

You talk about me cozying up to Myndrunner? Nyn has done that the entire game! Just because Nae flipped mafia doesn't mean Nyn is town.

 

YES! I knew something felt wrong when Nae voted for herself. Your theories, even though I have know idea where you pull them from, have produced results yet again Mynd. And we can scratch Rahvin off that list of yours too.

 

Uhh maybe the scummiest post of the game.

 

Care to elaborate sir? Or are all your posts going to be indirect follow ups to what others are saying, hoping that you dance around the conflict?

 

Oooh, MCS goes on offense. In case I'm NK'ed, here's why MCS looked scummy there:

 

1) Boasting about lynching scum

2) Backtracking on the Nyn vs Nae argument

3) Making buddies with Mynd

4) Trying to confirm Mynd's list of possible characters left (which, if inaccurate, misleads town)

 

I agree with Drew about MCS looking scummy. He tried to push us off the Nae lynch, which still doesn't leave Nyn off the hook. He also suddenly buddy buddied up to me like it was pointed out earlier.

 

It's the bolded part in the quote above that gives me pause. Not to toot my own horn.....ok TOOOT TOOOT....but we've been quite successful in nabbing scum. Sure, it's been bloody and we can point fingers all day at the town lynches; however, I read Drew as still trying to discredit our approach to lynches. He keeps on saying "IF its inaccurate, it misleads town!" What does he have to be so concerned about? What if the rest of the scum team are listed in my leftovers? What if we are close to balefiring these scum back to the bore they crawled out from?!

 

Reasons for Drew being scum:

 

1) His untimely and odd "reveal" as a miller, almost to proceed any finder powers, of which Julian Sandar is likely still in the game.

2) The overreaction and jumping the gun at my earlier gambit of powerblocking him to see if anyone was compulsed. Isn't it ironic that we have essentially stalled that power because the scum are afraid to use it now?!

3) Despite its effectiveness, Drew continues to cast doubt on our narrow list of remaining suspects. Sure, he's on the list, but instead of trying to case the others on the list, he's trying to discredit the list makers. If I were on that list and innocent, I would be casing the hell out of the others.

4) His posts reek of desperation, especially the "If I'm Night Killed tomorrow..." Why would he be in any position to feel the threat of a Night Kill?! If anyone should be concerned it should be me or Moon. If Drew was innocent and I was mafia, he'd be the last person I target for night kill because of how so many people believe his scumminess. Ok maybe second to MCS.

 

NASTY FINGER OF SUSPICION AND SHAME ON YOU @ DrewoftheBushes

[Myndrunner]

4) Trying to confirm Mynd's list of possible characters left (which, if inaccurate, misleads town)

 

...and this was the bolded part that I didn't bold and was referring to in the aformentioned post above. Yikes!

[mcs0083]

Cozying up to Mynd noted. ;-)

 

You talk about me cozying up to Myndrunner? Nyn has done that the entire game! Just because Nae flipped mafia doesn't mean Nyn is town.

 

YES! I knew something felt wrong when Nae voted for herself. Your theories, even though I have know idea where you pull them from, have produced results yet again Mynd. And we can scratch Rahvin off that list of yours too.

 

Uhh maybe the scummiest post of the game.

 

Care to elaborate sir? Or are all your posts going to be indirect follow ups to what others are saying, hoping that you dance around the conflict?

 

Oooh, MCS goes on offense. In case I'm NK'ed, here's why MCS looked scummy there:

 

1) Boasting about lynching scum

2) Backtracking on the Nyn vs Nae argument

3) Making buddies with Mynd

4) Trying to confirm Mynd's list of possible characters left (which, if inaccurate, misleads town)

 

Drew, I've already addressed everything on that list. You must have missed it or something. Nice original theorizing to there buddy, listing things that other people have already said. If you are mafia, it wouldn't surprise me if you are trying to be the the heat shield. However, you haven't really pinged me much so far.

[Quibby]

 

Reasons for Drew being scum:

 

1) His untimely and odd "reveal" as a miller, almost to proceed any finder powers, of which Julian Sandar is likely still in the game.

2) The overreaction and jumping the gun at my earlier gambit of powerblocking him to see if anyone was compulsed. Isn't it ironic that we have essentially stalled that power because the scum are afraid to use it now?!

3) Despite its effectiveness, Drew continues to cast doubt on our narrow list of remaining suspects. Sure, he's on the list, but instead of trying to case the others on the list, he's trying to discredit the list makers. If I were on that list and innocent, I would be casing the hell out of the others.

4) His posts reek of desperation, especially the "If I'm Night Killed tomorrow..." Why would he be in any position to feel the threat of a Night Kill?! If anyone should be concerned it should be me or Moon. If Drew was innocent and I was mafia, he'd be the last person I target for night kill because of how so many people believe his scumminess. Ok maybe second to MCS.

 

NASTY FINGER OF SUSPICION AND SHAME ON YOU @ DrewoftheBushes

 

Edited down to address the salient points.

 

2. Unless there are two scum vote stealers, I don't think this is going to be an issue anymore. Nae/Rahvin's role fits the Compulsion bill to the letter.

 

1. Sandar may be in the game. It doesn't mean that he'll be a standard finder. And to be honest, I don't like the idea of throwing that list out there, as it gives the scum all kinds of handy excuse/cover characters. Basing assumptions and arguments on roles that might be in the game is about as useful as using a random number generator to find scum: it'll be right on occasion, but only after it's been wrong a whole lot more often. I fell into this trap in another mafia game once; I was, fortunately, nightkilled before I became a real problem for the town.

[Myndrunner]

For someone who has been quiet as hell all game, you suddenly have became active when Nae was on the line. Then, when she voted herself, you backed off completely! When she flipped scum, your response was "YAY Mynd, way to go buddy ol' pal! I knew you were right all a long!"

 

The only thing that bugs me right now is this sudden battle between Drew and MCS. It almost seems a bit contrived. MCS was leaping to Nae's defense only to have her sabotage it on her own all the while Drew was trying to cast doubt on the entire reason we were going after her.

 

Now, Drew and MCS are suddenly disagreeing with each other? I smell a gambit!

[Myndrunner]

 

Reasons for Drew being scum:

 

1) His untimely and odd "reveal" as a miller, almost to proceed any finder powers, of which Julian Sandar is likely still in the game.

2) The overreaction and jumping the gun at my earlier gambit of powerblocking him to see if anyone was compulsed. Isn't it ironic that we have essentially stalled that power because the scum are afraid to use it now?!

3) Despite its effectiveness, Drew continues to cast doubt on our narrow list of remaining suspects. Sure, he's on the list, but instead of trying to case the others on the list, he's trying to discredit the list makers. If I were on that list and innocent, I would be casing the hell out of the others.

4) His posts reek of desperation, especially the "If I'm Night Killed tomorrow..." Why would he be in any position to feel the threat of a Night Kill?! If anyone should be concerned it should be me or Moon. If Drew was innocent and I was mafia, he'd be the last person I target for night kill because of how so many people believe his scumminess. Ok maybe second to MCS.

 

NASTY FINGER OF SUSPICION AND SHAME ON YOU @ DrewoftheBushes

 

Edited down to address the salient points.

 

2. Unless there are two scum vote stealers, I don't think this is going to be an issue anymore. Nae/Rahvin's role fits the Compulsion bill to the letter.

 

1. Sandar may be in the game. It doesn't mean that he'll be a standard finder. And to be honest, I don't like the idea of throwing that list out there, as it gives the scum all kinds of handy excuse/cover characters. Basing assumptions and arguments on roles that might be in the game is about as useful as using a random number generator to find scum: it'll be right on occasion, but only after it's been wrong a whole lot more often. I fell into this trap in another mafia game once; I was, fortunately, nightkilled before I became a real problem for the town.

 

Are you kidding me? Pass me some of that Two Rivers Weed you are obviously smoking because you must have the good stuff!

 

At this point in the game, the mafia are scrambling. My explanation of Julian Sandar still likely being in the game is about why Drew claimed Miller when he didn't have any other reason to. There is likely another finder still alive and probably already viewed Drew and dismissed the scum viewing as his miller claim.

 

As for the whole compulsion thing, again...pass the dutchie pon de left hand side, mon! A vote stealer does NOT a compulsion make. Why are you now trying, during NIGHT, trying to deny that there still may be a compulsion power in play?! What power do you suppose Graendal has for her pets?

[Quibby]

I dunno, it seems to me like a person who can make a person vote for somebody, no matter who they want to vote for, would potentially count. And every single person who has been Compelled has done the exact same thing: voted for somebody with no reason given. If we want to go to the books, Rahvin used Compulsion quite liberally, almost as much as Graendal. Is it really such a stretch?

[Myndrunner]

I dunno, it seems to me like a person who can make a person vote for somebody, no matter who they want to vote for, would potentially count. And every single person who has been Compelled has done the exact same thing: voted for somebody with no reason given. If we want to go to the books, Rahvin used Compulsion quite liberally, almost as much as Graendal. Is it really such a stretch?

 

Alright, I do kinda see your point. Also, its lack of use does kinda match Nae's sudden inactivity. She also claimed she was silenced in her self-voting post. Perhaps our silencer is pro-town after all?

 

What are your casings on Drew, Nae, Alanna, and Kwom?

[mcs0083]

For someone who has been quiet as hell all game, you suddenly have became active when Nae was on the line. Then, when she voted herself, you backed off completely! When she flipped scum, your response was "YAY Mynd, way to go buddy ol' pal! I knew you were right all a long!"

 

The only thing that bugs me right now is this sudden battle between Drew and MCS. It almost seems a bit contrived. MCS was leaping to Nae's defense only to have her sabotage it on her own all the while Drew was trying to cast doubt on the entire reason we were going after her.

 

Now, Drew and MCS are suddenly disagreeing with each other? I smell a gambit!

 

First off I'm not battling Drew. He just irked me a bit, and I responded. Anyway, I will say these things AGAIN. I was not defending Naeann. I was just more convinced that Nyn was scum at the time. Yeah, Nae did end up flipping scum, but that doesn't mean at all that Nyn is town. Nyn was not at all active anyway. Also, Nyn has been cozying up to you this whole time! That doesn't bother you at all Mynd?

[Quibby]

Oh, and this odd insistence that certain characters have to be in the game. Graendal, I can see. Liandrin, though?! How many Compulsion-type roles do you think the scum should get in one game? (Liandrin knew a basic form of Compulsion.) Also, I note a certain lack of Asmodean, an incredibly major player in the world. Are you trying to protect somebody by choosing to include a Black Ajah character over one of the Forsaken?

[Myndrunner]

Oh, and this odd insistence that certain characters have to be in the game. Graendal, I can see. Liandrin, though?! How many Compulsion-type roles do you think the scum should get in one game? (Liandrin knew a basic form of Compulsion.) Also, I note a certain lack of Asmodean, an incredibly major player in the world. Are you trying to protect somebody by choosing to include a Black Ajah character over one of the Forsaken?

 

Yeah, I'm trying to protect the mafia by lynching them. See, once they are all dead then they cannot be lynched anymore. Make sense?

[Quibby]

Wow, I'm talkative now.

 

Casing of Drew: I'm inclined to think he's not scum, but I'm keeping him in my "?" category for now. His claiming of a Miller role can go either way. On one hand, it's a neat trick to pull if you want a few extra nights in the game. I have some ideas about this, but they're vague suppositions that have no basis in what I've read in-game.

 

Casing of Nae: She was quiet. I never suspected her, so I never really cased her. You'll note that I didn't vote for her or Nyn. I wasn't sure whether your visit to 'Finn-land was a ploy or real, and I'm still not sure.

 

Haven't cased Alanna at all yet. I keep forgetting that she's actually in this game. However, I seem to recall commenting on her habit of coming in to vote, then disappearing at some point in the game.

 

Kwom is quiet. Especially today, when he was under so much fire. It makes me think that the Silencer used the discussion last night to shut him up, that way he could not defend himself when the heat came down on him today, thus making him appear even more scummy. However, the Night 1 madness where both the night messages went to Aemon instead of Red, where I think both messages were meant to go, makes me think that he's not scum for the moment.

 

As for the protecting question, it wasn't meant to be an accusation. The non-inclusion just seemed really strange to me.

[Nynaeve]

First off I'm not battling Drew. He just irked me a bit, and I responded. Anyway, I will say these things AGAIN. I was not defending Naeann. I was just more convinced that Nyn was scum at the time. Yeah, Nae did end up flipping scum, but that doesn't mean at all that Nyn is town. Nyn was not at all active anyway. Also, Nyn has been cozying up to you this whole time! That doesn't bother you at all Mynd?

 

*laughs* Are you really standing there criticizing my alleged inactivity when you weren't even around most of the time?

 

You claimed I looked scummy for rushing to vote for Nae. Well, guess what? Nae flipped scum. I agree that doesn't prove much about me, but it negates the reason you stated for finding me scummy to begin with. So what's the reason you're coming up with now? Me allegedly cozying up to Mynd? Are you suggesting that believing a person who gave us two valid tips so far is scummy? mmmmm....

 

Great spin though, you should work for bush :P

 

 

 

Nyn

[Adella]

Popping back in I guess (had really thought I was dead by now...) gimme some time to ATTEMPT to catch up. No way am I reading the whole thread again.

Why wouldn't you just ask your mason team to give you a quick summary? This is highly irregular for someone on an alleged mason team.

Cause people forget things that I might think are important. No one can summarize EVERYTHING.

[mcs0083]

First off I'm not battling Drew. He just irked me a bit, and I responded. Anyway, I will say these things AGAIN. I was not defending Naeann. I was just more convinced that Nyn was scum at the time. Yeah, Nae did end up flipping scum, but that doesn't mean at all that Nyn is town. Nyn was not at all active anyway. Also, Nyn has been cozying up to you this whole time! That doesn't bother you at all Mynd?

 

*laughs* Are you really standing there criticizing my alleged inactivity when you weren't even around most of the time?

 

You claimed I looked scummy for rushing to vote for Nae. Well, guess what? Nae flipped scum. I agree that doesn't prove much about me, but it negates the reason you stated for finding me scummy to begin with. So what's the reason you're coming up with now? Me allegedly cozying up to Mynd? Are you suggesting that believing a person who gave us two valid tips so far is scummy? mmmmm....

 

Great spin though, you should work for bush :P

 

 

 

Nyn

 

I apologize. I meant to type that Nae was inactive. Classic case of muscle confusion with your two names. As for my current thoughts of you being possibly scum, you haven't exactly said anything that exonerates you from being so in my mind. And my pointing out that you were cozying up to Mynd was to defend myself against the same kinds of allegations. As if to say, "Okay, she is doing it too, so why am I the only one being called out on it?". So it was less saying that you are scummy because of it, and more saying that how can I be when I'm not the only one supposedly doing it.

 

Also, I have branched on to other avenues since that response I directed at you for voting for Nae. Drew and Mynd are the other two people Ive been going back and forth with the most other than yourself. Because in my mind, yeah, you could be scum, but there is a bit of a possibility as well that you aren't, so I should at least dip my toe in other peoples metaphorical waters. You however, have just fired back at me with every post since then, which I find to be quite the one-track defensive behavior. So who is it that should work for bush now?

[Moon Sedai]

To look at those remaining, here's the full list.

 

1. Song 1.<3, Perrin Aybara, Watcher - nightkilled Night 2

2. Austicles, Hurin, Cop - nightkilled Night 5

3. ed2scumy mcs

4. Amoondah, Morgase Trakand, Vanilla Townie - lynched Day 4

5. Alanna

6. AJ (alannalynn)

7. Aemon, Unnamed Tairen False Dragon, Naïve Cop - nightkilled Night 8

8. dapianoplay3r 1.0, Min Farshaw, Limited Flavor Cop - lynched Day 2

9. Amadine, Lanfear, Mafia Neighbor - lynched Day 7

10. Krak, al'Lan Mandragoran, Vengeful Sibling - modkilled Day 6

11. Kwom Masbag

12. TMD Krak 2.0, Elaida do Avriny a Roihan, 100% Effective Witch (town) - lynched Day 8

13. keyholder Ahmoondah

14. Verbal

15. Red, Moiraine Damodred, Jack of All Trades - killed by the Pattern Day 5

16. Adella

17. Mynd

18. paetric Song 2.0

19. Locke, Aviendha, Commuter - nightkilled Night 4

20. drewoftherushes

21. CurtDragon, Nynaeve al'Meara, Doctor - lynched Day 6

22. Virtuhall

23. Quibby

24. stryder68, Faile Bashere, Vanilla Townie - modkilled Day 2

25. tobi Naeann 2.0, Rahvin, Mafia Vote Stealer - lynched Day 9

26. bgrishinko

27. Naeann 1.0, Padan Fain/Mordeth, Item Conditional Serial Killer - nightkilled Night 1

28. trench, Thom Merrilin, Vanilla Townie - nightkilled Night 6

29. Vambram, Mazrim Taim, Survivor/Framer - nightkilled Night 5

30. gadywe, High Lord Turak, Vanilla Townie - modkilled Day 2

31. killuliu

32. Deadlyfreind Talya

33. Tigraine dapianoplay3r 2.0

34. ThorkinBarrimore, Loail son of Arent son of Halan, Vanilla Townie - nightkilled Night 7

35. David Hermes, Be'lal, Mafia Roleblocker - lynched Day 1

36. Blackhoof, High Lady Suroth Sabelle Meldarath, Mafia Goon - lynched Day 3

37. Nyn

 

Night 9 Deadline: Friday, 11:00 AM ET

I'm going to post a few posts for sake of easy reading.

[Nynaeve]

Why, are you recruiting? lol

 

And you've been sounding my scum alert for quite a while. I'm sorry if I'm not going around accusing everyone of being scum, but choose to be consistent in my suspicions. Shame on me.

 

As for someone saying you're cozying up to Mynd... I think the person who said it (can't be arsed to go look who it was lol) meant the timing of it, rather than the act itself. You did it after Nae flipped scum.

 

 

Nyn

[Nynaeve]

Just for clarification's sake, my post was directed to MCS... Ahmoon posted while I was typing it up.

 

 

 

Nyn

[Moon Sedai]

Remaining players:

 

mcs

Alanna

AJ (alannalynn)

Kwom Masbag

Ahmoondah 2.0 [We know who I am]

Verbal

Adella

Mynd

Song 2.0

drewoftherushes

Virtuhall

Quibby

bgrishinko

killuliu

Talya

dapianoplay3r 2.0

Nyn

[mcs0083]

 

And you've been sounding my scum alert for quite a while. I'm sorry if I'm not going around accusing everyone of being scum, but choose to be consistent in my suspicions. Shame on me.

 

 

I didn't mean to say that you should be. And I;m not exactly accusing everyone of being scum if that is what you meant. You've just been responding to me is all, and not directly talking to anyone else.

[Moon Sedai]

Suspicions?

 

Most definantly town:

Ahmoondah 2.0 [iYou guys all know who I am by now.]

 

"Mason team"

Adella, BG, Tayla

who else has been 'proven' town ? [My suspicions here could be wrong, this is just based off observation].

A lot of people are relying on Mynd (role blocker?).

Verbal was a (theoretical) compulsion victim.

drewoftherushes miller?

Quibby (message giver?) The message he claims to have sent me as key sounds familiar. (post #2140)

 

Inactives: Virtuhall- Kwom Masbag- Silent busdriver Alanna-

Others/unsure.

mcs

AJ (alannalynn)

Song 2.0

killuliu

dapianoplay3r 2.0 [Replaced Tigraine, possibly has double vote item.

Nyn

[DrewRiley]

 

Reasons for Drew being scum:

 

1) His untimely and odd "reveal" as a miller, almost to proceed any finder powers, of which Julian Sandar is likely still in the game.

2) The overreaction and jumping the gun at my earlier gambit of powerblocking him to see if anyone was compulsed. Isn't it ironic that we have essentially stalled that power because the scum are afraid to use it now?!

3) Despite its effectiveness, Drew continues to cast doubt on our narrow list of remaining suspects. Sure, he's on the list, but instead of trying to case the others on the list, he's trying to discredit the list makers. If I were on that list and innocent, I would be casing the hell out of the others.

4) His posts reek of desperation, especially the "If I'm Night Killed tomorrow..." Why would he be in any position to feel the threat of a Night Kill?! If anyone should be concerned it should be me or Moon. If Drew was innocent and I was mafia, he'd be the last person I target for night kill because of how so many people believe his scumminess. Ok maybe second to MCS.

 

NASTY FINGER OF SUSPICION AND SHAME ON YOU @ DrewoftheBushes

 

Mynd, your focus on me is so silly at this point I almost think it's a crazy town gambit to keep me alive by making the scum think there's constant pressure on me. So maybe I shouldn't even be responding to you, but it's fun. So while most of this argument is just ridiculous, and seems entirely based on the fact that I used the word "if," the one point that blows me away is where you say my miller claim had no point and was out of the blue. I was confirming Aemon as a naive finder (which turned out to be true, btw). I was trying to give the town valuable info. I think you're the only one who doesn't get this, or you're ignoring it on purpose, and I know you'll just ignore this post so I don't know why I'm even writing it. But again, I'm having fun.

 

Edited down to address the salient points.

 

2. Unless there are two scum vote stealers, I don't think this is going to be an issue anymore. Nae/Rahvin's role fits the Compulsion bill to the letter.

 

1. Sandar may be in the game. It doesn't mean that he'll be a standard finder. And to be honest, I don't like the idea of throwing that list out there, as it gives the scum all kinds of handy excuse/cover characters. Basing assumptions and arguments on roles that might be in the game is about as useful as using a random number generator to find scum: it'll be right on occasion, but only after it's been wrong a whole lot more often. I fell into this trap in another mafia game once; I was, fortunately, nightkilled before I became a real problem for the town.

 

Yeah, I would be VERY surprised if we see more compulsion. If we do, maybe I'll start taking Mynd's Graendal stuff more seriously.

 

And to Quibby's "1." - that's exactly what I was trying to say about your list, Mynd. It makes it easy for scum to say, "so and so must be Graendal!" and starting a lynch based on the list. That's why I said MCS giving credence to that list made him look scummy.

 

 

Oh, and this odd insistence that certain characters have to be in the game. Graendal, I can see. Liandrin, though?! How many Compulsion-type roles do you think the scum should get in one game? (Liandrin knew a basic form of Compulsion.) Also, I note a certain lack of Asmodean, an incredibly major player in the world. Are you trying to protect somebody by choosing to include a Black Ajah character over one of the Forsaken?

 

^This. It's just so weird that you're obsessed with knowing the characters rather than looking at the players, Mynd. Look at my votes and my actions for scumminess. And I know you're going to deflect this comment and say I'm trying to keep the town off my trail. So you can just skip that part now.

 

Anyway, Mynd, good job on the N thing. You'll notice I voted for your "A" and "N" candidates without much hesitation. I questioned how we got there both times, but I'm just trying to not take anything for granted. You seem to take it personally when I wonder about your scum traps. Nothing personal, just keeping my eyes open.

[Myndrunner]

Others/unsure.

mcs

AJ (alannalynn)

Song 2.0

killuliu

dapianoplay3r 2.0 [Replaced Tigraine, possibly has double vote item.

Nyn

 

Amoonddal'Thor, I agree with nearly all of your post except I wouldn't rule Drew out completely yet and I would remove AJ from the unsure. Aust found her innocent earlier in the game and he was a legit Cop as Hurin. Also, I personally believe that Kill is town, but that has no fact basis. Not sure about the rest, so I'm fine with doing what you have to do to one of them.

 

Drew, I have a feeling I am starting to understand your character, but I have to disagree with you and quibby on the characters left issue. If we were much earlier in the game with a laundry list of players, then I would agree; however, we only have a handful of likely scum at this point so factoring in who might be who is something that can help us narrow down who is left. I believe that Drew is a Forsaken who actually works for the Dragon Reborn, or at least until his untimely death at the hands of....*spoiler alert* Graendal?

[Myndrunner]

 

And you've been sounding my scum alert for quite a while. I'm sorry if I'm not going around accusing everyone of being scum, but choose to be consistent in my suspicions. Shame on me.

 

 

I didn't mean to say that you should be. And I;m not exactly accusing everyone of being scum if that is what you meant. You've just been responding to me is all, and not directly talking to anyone else.

You have to admit that you were pretty gung-ho about Nyn until Nae voted herself. If that doesn't look scummy, what does?