Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[Talya]

That ios confusing for me, but then I'm just getting to grips.

 

As for this 'A' business. So I can see why Aemon is looking innocent, and Adella and Bgr are on a mason team, Alanna was viewed. Why are Aust and AJ and Looking Innocent?

 

also why can't Vambram, if viewed innocent have a Godfather type role, that would make him viewed innocent, but still be mafia?

 

I thought someone said that this only goes up to Book 6 (or did I dream that), I'm not sure Taim would have been classed as mafia at that time anyway, he was a loose cannon.

[Myndrunner]

I'm going to go ahead and vote Mynd based on my reasoning in my last post. Yes you may get things wrong but leading the witch hunt twice and being wrong is a strong indicator. The others that are being questioned beside Quibby do not give me a bad vibe at all so I wont go with them. Also since I think he is scummy I wont believe the "starts with A" vote either

vote Mynd

 

 

Look what the fisherman caught in his net.

[Quibby]

Aemon, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and not frogblast you for not checking up on such a suspicious statement as I made on Day Two with a search, thus potentially netting you a scumbag on Day Thre without all that pesky "sorting through the evidence" crap. I'm not going to go into depth on how you've managed to go at random at rather unsuspicious players (by my reckoning) on several nights. (Mynd is suspicious as hell, but he also makes a lot of sense.) I'm not even going to vote for you, though I'm going to FoS you for what I feel to be rather crummy finder choices.

 

Instead, I am going to go back to my vote CurtDragon because of the reasons I gave yesterday. You know, the day that everybody got so focused on the whole "begins with 'a''' thing. He still reacted way too strongly to the short-list suspicion thing.

 

Now, we all may be asking why I reacted so strongly to Aemon's accusation and vote. Especially after my actions yesterda. (Yesterday is Day Four, not Sunday). One reason, really, and the reason why I'm FoSing him.

 

The message he received from me? I didn't send it. Him trying to pin it on me reeks.

 

 

[CurtisScafe]

That is fine Quibby, you can vote me because I was suspicious of Mynd instead of taking the facts as they were. Also you can see that I didnt overreact at all. Mynd just said I did. I asked why do the other's not have reasons on why they are on the list. Again asking questions is bad. Besides should I no have reacted to my name being on the list?

I just dont understand why people say they dont trust Mynd but then they follow him and dont vote him. You suspect both the guys I do and both of them are covering for each other.

[Myndrunner]

Curt, welcome to mafia. If you had bothered to actually read my casing, you would have noticed that the list of people that you were among were the remainders of who I had yet to eliminate as scum. It wasn't me accusing you of anything, just me not pardoning you either. It bothers me tremendously that you don't see this because mafia already know who is innocent and who is not and therefore do not need to case anyone. Overreaction that it was, I am more concerned that you objected to my process like a scumbag would do.

 

I would like to hear from BG on why he silenced me; however, I am all for a CurtDragon (Former Federal Agent?) lynch instead. Not for OMGUS reasons but this dude is losing it over harmless casing.

[bgrishinko]

Bgrishinko wondered if Vanilla folks have a description that lets them have a small idea of who they are. Or Wombat just told them they were town.

 

 

I'm still hoping that Vambram could answer that question in that I think it could shed some light on this whole Dragon Reborn thing.

 

 

As for hints about my power, I will only say that it is one that is very useful, and one which my research about the Mafia games tells me that only one person in the game can have this power.

 

Until I get permission from this game's Mod, I shall not reveal exactly what my power is. Therefore, until Wombat tells me otherwise, then I shall not be specific about my character's power.

 

It is clear that all of us are playing a named character in this game. I believe I know which one of the WOT characters I am playing, however, I am not certain about that, and therefore will not say that I know for sure who is my character is this game.

In my Role PM from Wombat, he did not reveal to me the name of my character.

 

BG could see Mynd's logic of why he suspected him of silencing him on the thief play. He wasn't mistaken that BG was also trying to loot Vambram. After all, BG was very suspicious of Vambram and felt no item was good in his hands. But BG gave up as he saw Mynd's insistence to steal as well. But if Mynd had truly been silenced by BG, as suggested (which had never happened in the middle of the day before that BG was aware of) then why wouldn't BG have taken advantage of the 17 minute silence to steal the item? As noted in the above quotes, 17 minutes passed between Mynd's post and Vambram's post.

 

No... unfortunately the simple truth was BG had given up on the steal and stopped paying attention. Was it possible that Mynd false silenced himself to create this scenario to blame BG?

 

BG also found it interesting that Vambram hadn't mentioned his item had been stolen. If he had truly walked in the light, an item of that importance being stolen, could have only been bad for the town and it should have been known.

 

Also, BG thought everyone should vote Quibby

[Naeann]

That ios confusing for me, but then I'm just getting to grips.

 

As for this 'A' business. So I can see why Aemon is looking innocent, and Adella and Bgr are on a mason team, Alanna was viewed. Why are Aust and AJ and Looking Innocent?

 

also why can't Vambram, if viewed innocent have a Godfather type role, that would make him viewed innocent, but still be mafia?

 

I thought someone said that this only goes up to Book 6 (or did I dream that), I'm not sure Taim would have been classed as mafia at that time anyway, he was a loose cannon.

 

 

To me, this would actually make perfect sense for Taim. I'm still very comfortable with voting for Vambram.

[bgrishinko]

Almost forgot to mention...I got silenced after Key proclaimed. I don't know if that was an effect of her proclaiming or because I actually popped my head up and talked a little bit and reminded the scum I was still playing. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

 

BG just found that a mid day silence apparently had happened before. So he thought the town could ignore his previous concern about that.

[Myndrunner]

BG also found it interesting that Vambram hadn't mentioned his item had been stolen. If he had truly walked in the light, an item of that importance being stolen, could have only been bad for the town and it should have been known.

 

@ above

 

unvote BG

 

You have a point that you didn't post immediately after I was silenced, but I'm surprised that no one else did either. Seventeen or so minutes did float by after my last post and Vambram's follow-up.

[Aust]

For the sake of odds and logic, let's assume BG and Adella are telling the truth. Unvote

 

Occam's Razor (I prefer Gilette Quatro) would suggest that the Mafia have not been the ones doing as much of the accusing as the others. I can only go by what info I get due to the nature of my character. This is what I know, where can we go from here?

 

There could be certain artifacts in the game, some of you may have experienced it before, where you can ask three questions to some snakelike people and get three responses, though they may not be what you want. For example, suppose you asked "Who is mafia?" and the reply was something like "Someone whose name begins with the letter A" wouldn't be much to go on by itself, but it does produce a list of people we can narrow down.

 

Players who begin with the letter A (7): Aust, Amoondah, Alanna, AJ(alannalynn), Aemon, Amadine, Adella

 

With the whole mess with the compulsion, Red, and the finder stuff, I think we can all agree that Aemon is town. Aust and his silencing make him less likely to be scum and BG vouches for Adella being on a mason team with him. That leaves Amoondah, AJ, and Amadine if we are to go with logic and the odds and believe everyone else. From my casing, I've read little from Amadine, AJ is acting a-typical but was quick to point out her name was missing from the list of A's, and Amoondah has been "going with the flow" - quick to vote but not providing solid reasoning.

 

Right now, I'd say we lynch Amoondah.

 

Thoughts?

 

I bring this up again because it was the whole basis of Mynd's logic yesterday, and much of the basis in lynching Amoondah. The case on her was fairly weak - but with Mynd's tip it seemed like a promising lead and I would have gone with it myself it I hadn't been compelled to vote Nae. Today Mynd has abandoned this line of thought altogether - which surprised me because we've narrowed his list down to one name. I'll ask again Mynd - why did you completely drop this? Particularly when it seems like it might actually pay off?

[CurtisScafe]

Curt, welcome to mafia. If you had bothered to actually read my casing, you would have noticed that the list of people that you were among were the remainders of who I had yet to eliminate as scum. It wasn't me accusing you of anything, just me not pardoning you either. It bothers me tremendously that you don't see this because mafia already know who is innocent and who is not and therefore do not need to case anyone. Overreaction that it was, I am more concerned that you objected to my process like a scumbag would do.

 

I would like to hear from BG on why he silenced me; however, I am all for a CurtDragon (Former Federal Agent?) lynch instead. Not for OMGUS reasons but this dude is losing it over harmless casing.

Thank you.

Orly?

[Vambram]

The underlined bit bothered me as much as your extremely TOWN post earlier. (sarcasm intended with the capitals... )

 

A) "His post clearly shows..." Nothing is ever clear in mafia. While we can assume (assUme) all we want, he could be scum for all we know and your "clearly" bit is as faulty as Mynd's logic.

B) "take that into consideration" LOL!! People will take whatever they will into consideration, I just found this funny.

C) My English teachers always told me that if I had a B, I had to have a C... I don't know why, but they did.

 

Anyways, the underlined bit irks me. We're basing our votes off of a bunch of unsure stuff that we know nothing about. The "If everything said is true, we have to vote this way" logic, in my opinion, is rather faulty.

 

A: "Nothing is ever clear in Mafia" Hmm, thats good advice, and I will remember that. AND I wish certain players accusing me of being scum or acting scummy would remember that excellent advice, also. Thank you, alannalynn.

 

B: I am glad I got a chuckle from someone.

 

C: And I got a C for you right here. .. in honor of your English teacher.

 

As for the underlined part, I had thought that what Aemon said about myself using his Finder ability that it would have made it clear that I am not on the Mafia team. Obviously, I was wrong to be hopeful about that evidence provided by Aemon.

[Vambram]

i'm good with a lynch on Vam. Aemon is innocent, thats why i believe he's telling the truth and Logain. i know he's innocent becuase i had a 1 time veiwing ability that i used on him Night 2. i say this now, becuase while i know he's innocent, i'm unsure if we can trust his finders results tbh.

 

All right, it's time to narrow down the voting pool.

 

Night 1- Trench, Innocent

Night 2- Mynd, Innocent

Night 3- Vambram, Innocent

Night 4- Alanna, Innocent

 

 

Aemon, is there anyway you could be a naive finder? i ask this becuase i think you're Logain, and there for Vam must be Taim and i cannot see Taim as being Town aligned. also, my gut still says Mynd is up to something (could be i just plain dont trust him lmao) this is why i feel that right now i'm unsure if you might be a naive finder and why i'm not opposed to lynching Vam to kill two birds with one stone.

 

i'm curious as to why you clear Aust & AJ though ... i've seen no reason on thread to implicate their innocence; other than Aust having been silenced of which we've seen no one else get silenced either ... )

 

 

Vam - no offense on your last post, but i've seen newbies who are also on scum teams pull a "i'm new, please forgive me" post similar to yours. for me, it does nothing but send up a flag when a new person trys to use the newbness as shielding manuver to push suspicion off them. fact is, this is Mafia; where your guilty until proven innocent by a corners report and every word you say can and will be held agaisnt you as well as looked into to the Nth degree.

 

also, Vam; Aemon says he was affected directly after Key proclaimed; did you have any effect as well?

 

Red - When someone says, " No offense"... that usually tells someone like me with the many years of message board experiences on the internet .. that I am going to be offended. Also, if I was on a scum team, then would it have made any sense at all for me to openly and honestly tell people just how much of a newbie I am in Mafia? As for you, Red, I believe that I am not theh only one here in this game whom has noticed that you are able to twist around words and posts said by others in order to get those posts to mean something other than the original intent of the post. To me, this is a very Aes Sedai thing to do, and therefore considering the nature of this particular Mafia game, I applaud and commend you for playing your Aes Sedai character very, very well.

 

Like Aemon, after Keyholder proclaimed to be the Dragon Reborn, I was notified shortly thereafter that I was silenced for the rest of that game day, which was Day 4.

 

 

Also, to Myndrunner, I was not told in any way at all.. nor was it even hinted to me, that my item had been stolen.... until you said that you had stolen it in an earlier post.

Considering the nature of what you stole from me, it pleases me to believe that you gifted that item to another player and character that you trust. I am confident it is in good hands of a strong Townie.

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count

 

Quibby (1): bg

Vambram (3): drew, krak, Nae

Amadine (3): Aust, Song, Vambram

Mynd (2): CurtDragon

CurtDragon (1): Quibby

 

With 28 alive, it takes 15 to lynch. Deadline is Wednesday at 3 PM EDT

[aemonkristen]

Looks like I'm playing catch-up here. To clarify: I viewed Alanna. Not AJ. Quibby can eat my shorts on who he thinks I should have viewed. I chose to view the two people who had claimed as Dragon Reborn after me. If you think it's unimportant to know their alignments, that's your own look out. I chose Alanna last night to narrow down the voting pool on the A list. Also, I am going to go back to see if you ever confirmed that you did indeed send me those messages, because I asked you straight out if they were from you. I am positive that you never denied them coming from you and Red never got your message. Why are you waiting till DAY 5 to say something about it? Vey suspicious in my book. The only thing holding me off from voting you is BG's apparant compulsion to vote you.

 

Is it possible that I am a naive finder? the thought crossed my mind when I viewed both Mynd and Vam as innocent. In my opinion there cannot be that many innocent Dragons running around in this game, but I am really reluctant to lynch someone I have viewed as innocent. Right now I could go for lynching Amaadine to test Mynd's A list scenario, but I still think he's blowing smoke out his @$$.

[Talya]

You still haven't said that Aust and AJ look innocent to you Aemon, I asked that question before?

[aemonkristen]

Sorry Talya, I knew there was something I had forgotten to address. This quote seemed to me, at the time, to be Aust saying that he and AJ were on a team together. This he was confirming her innocent. AJ says that they are not on a mason team together. I am interested in how he knows she is innocent. Please see the bolded section of the post.

 

Good analysis Curt.

 

I don't like that Mynd has been trying to control the direction of the voting with his alphabet clue, but I also don't see him being so transparent as to keep his vote off a teammate's lynch.

 

I agree with player that we shouldn't let something like that direct us, but I think we might be able to use it as a test on him. I can narrow things down for us.

 

There are 6 A's:

 

The first three are innocent - I know I am (if you can go with me on this), I also know that AJ is innocent and we are all fairly confident on Adella.

Aust (me)

AJ

Adella

 

Next 3 we have:

 

Alanna

Amadine

Aemon

 

I'm still not sold on Aemon. The fact that Kwom messed with the night actions directed at Aemon on night one continues to have me uneasy. But let's work on the premise that he is indeed an innocent finder. That leaves us with Alanna and Amadine to take a look at today.

 

I'm not immediately suggesting we lynch either of them but it's worth scrutinizing their activity. Both tend to be quiet players. Alanna tends to make it to the end of most games she's in I think due to her reserved posting style. Ama is currently quite busy and this restricts her posting. I'm going to go back and take a look at them to see if anything stands out for me, and it would be helpful if others did the same.

 

If Mynd's claim is correct, one of the two of them must be scum.

[killuliu]

Sorry for not participating much today, been busy lately. So first of all, I had hoped I had solved the compulsion thingy, but no. So it was me who stole the (female) A'dam. If a female channeler has the A'dam and he then manages to steal from another female channeler, the first channeler gets to control the latter's night actions and votes till the A'dam is stolen. So when I heard what I had stolen, I had hoped it would have solved the compulsion, but it seems it was too much hoped (and ok, it would have been odd if there would have been that many female channelers).

 

Can someone clarify what the naive finder is? Does he see everyone as innocent? But for now, I think we should trust Aemon's findings. And I think we should continue with the names that begin with A, as we can be pretty sure one of them is scum (and the odds to find him aren't really that bad). But then again I think Curt and Vamb are acting very scummy.

[Talya]

Thank you Aemon.

 

So we don't really have anything to say that Aust or AJ is innocent. Only something Aust said, which he hasn't said why he knows this and AJ has denied being on a team with him. either Aust is mafia and so KNOWS AJ is Innocent or there is another reason.

 

Aemon has been validated somewhat by Red, and Adella by Bgr.

 

To me that leaves:

 

Aust

Amadine

AJ

 

Still yet to have anything corroborated.

 

 

Killu, that sounded very complicated, I'll have to read that again to understand.

 

 

 

[killuliu]

Killu, that sounded very complicated, I'll have to read that again to understand.

 

Well I'll give an example: We have two female channelers: A and B. A has A'dam. A steals succesfully from B, B may or may not have an item, it doesn't matter. Now A can control B's votes and night actions till someone steals the A'dam from the person A.

[Alanna]

OKay, confuzzled about a couple of things here. Firstly, I thought Mynd wasn't really a dragon, false or not? I thought that whole claim was just him seeing what would happen. Did he become a claimed dragon by doing that or something?

 

Secondly, I don't understand why Aust and AJ are basically cleared. I get that some kind of connection between them was assumed, since Aust assured us he thought she was innocent, but why is it sure that Aust is innocent? Is it just because of the silencing?

[trench]

Day 5 is confusing. I just did a reread of the last 2 days and I honestly can't make heads or tails of whats going on.

 

Im gonna stick with my original idea of voting Vambram. My initial read was scum, so im have to stick with my gut. His lynch still povides us answers if I am wrong. We can confirm Aemon's finder abilities as either naive or just a regular finder.

 

The starts with "A" info still seems unreliable with nothing better to go on. All I know is day 5 has blown the top of my head off. So when in doubt, I go with my gut.

 

Vote Vambram

[Red2111]

The message he received from me? I didn't send it. Him trying to pin it on me reeks.

 

Quibby, your contradicting yourself. on Day 2 you admitted to sending a message to me that we know got redirected to Aemon. we also know that Aemon got 2 messages that day. you also said that due to the nature of your role, that you believe scum might have the ability to traverse T'A'R and send messages as well.

 

you also denied to admit which message you sent because you believed it would implicate you in some way (i know this cause i'm the one who asked uyou on thread if you could tell which message you sent)

 

you trying to deny having sent a message to me which got transferred to Aemon reeks tbh. have you sent any more messages and can people confirm that they've recieved messages?

 

 

 

BG could see Mynd's logic of why he suspected him of silencing him on the thief play. He wasn't mistaken that BG was also trying to loot Vambram. After all, BG was very suspicious of Vambram and felt no item was good in his hands. But BG gave up as he saw Mynd's insistence to steal as well. But if Mynd had truly been silenced by BG, as suggested (which had never happened in the middle of the day before that BG was aware of) then why wouldn't BG have taken advantage of the 17 minute silence to steal the item? As noted in the above quotes, 17 minutes passed between Mynd's post and Vambram's post.

 

No... unfortunately the simple truth was BG had given up on the steal and stopped paying attention. Was it possible that Mynd false silenced himself to create this scenario to blame BG?

 

BG also found it interesting that Vambram hadn't mentioned his item had been stolen. If he had truly walked in the light, an item of that importance being stolen, could have only been bad for the town and it should have been known.

 

Also, BG thought everyone should vote Quibby

 

BG makes a good point. but i don't think Mynd slienced himself. he false claimed as Dragon Day 2; is it possible his silencing has to do with the fact he false claimed as Dragon. that maybe Wombat had implimented then if or when the real Dragon claimed all False Dragons would be silenced for the remainder of the day and that woudl be seen as proof the Rand had finally claimed as Dragon?

 

 

Red - When someone says, " No offense"... that usually tells someone like me with the many years of message board experiences on the internet .. that I am going to be offended. Also, if I was on a scum team, then would it have made any sense at all for me to openly and honestly tell people just how much of a newbie I am in Mafia? As for you, Red, I believe that I am not theh only one here in this game whom has noticed that you are able to twist around words and posts said by others in order to get those posts to mean something other than the original intent of the post. To me, this is a very Aes Sedai thing to do, and therefore considering the nature of this particular Mafia game, I applaud and commend you for playing your Aes Sedai character very, very well.

 

Like Aemon, after Keyholder proclaimed to be the Dragon Reborn, I was notified shortly thereafter that I was silenced for the rest of that game day, which was Day 4.

 

 

Also, to Myndrunner, I was not told in any way at all.. nor was it even hinted to me, that my item had been stolen.... until you said that you had stolen it in an earlier post.

Considering the nature of what you stole from me, it pleases me to believe that you gifted that item to another player and character that you trust. I am confident it is in good hands of a strong Townie.

 

Was anyone told if their item was stolen or not?

 

also, the reason why i say no offense is because a mafia newbie who happened to be scum got offended when i said his posts sounded like they were being coached *snuggles Moon* as for whether or not you'd tell peopel you were a newb if you are on a scum team, depends on if you thought it woudl gain you an advantage. right now, i see you as trying to use your newness to the game as an excuse for how scummy your acting; which is a technique i've seen newbie scum use. i'm not saying you must be scum for it, just telling you it does nothign to clear your innocence with me atleast.

 

 

Aemon - if you think Mynd is talking out of his butt, maybe we shoudl lynch him. he's been pinging me for a while, and it will clear up alot of things tbh. it will show how accurate your findings are, it will prove his A theory as well as the rest of his list of suspects. right now, i think a Mynd lynch will gain us the most info.

[Red2111]

Vote Count

 

Quibby (1): bg

Vambram (3): drew, krak, Nae

Amadine (3): Aust, Song, Vambram

Mynd (2): CurtDragon

CurtDragon (1): Quibby

 

With 28 alive, it takes 15 to lynch. Deadline is Wednesday at 3 PM EDT

 

 

did anyone else notice it appears that Curt has the DV??

[CurtisScafe]

Vote Count

 

Quibby (1): bg

Vambram (3): drew, krak, Nae

Amadine (3): Aust, Song, Vambram

Mynd (2): CurtDragon

CurtDragon (1): Quibby

 

With 28 alive, it takes 15 to lynch. Deadline is Wednesday at 3 PM EDT

 

 

did anyone else notice it appears that Curt has the DV??

Yes I have it now. I didnt want to announce it to make myself a target. I feel strongly about a lync on Mynd that I risked voting on him first. I got it off of Min's body when she died