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Tal brings up the best option imo for handling the issue with games being spread out; which is contacting the individual Org mods and calling a meeting lol i'm not advocating that they shoudl be stopped all together, but restricted until the player base grows again. lookign at it from a suplly/demand economics issue; theres an over abundance of supply & not as much demand, so to correct our mafia economy, we have to start limiting the supply.

 

See...I'm wary about this. I don't like the idea of telling the Orgs that they can't play mafia anymore. And I get that you're saying restrict them, but restrict them how? Let some Orgs do it and others not? I just don't see how that would work.

 

From what I've seen, most Orgs have their own list now of upcoming mafia games, so they're not running nuts all over the place. And I get that some players stretch themselves too thin, but you know, that's kind of up to them to see that they'r enot in too many at once.

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  On 2/9/2011 at 7:02 PM, Red2111 said:

where will Fast mafia fit into this?? where the deadlines are fast, the roles can be complexe or stnd & the # of players average around 9. would this be more of a comlpexe game because of the quickness of how it's played?

 

Fast games are hardly played here, so I imagine they will fall into complex games, as that's usually how they are. DM players aren't really active enough for a "fast" game.

 

  On 2/9/2011 at 7:02 PM, Red2111 said:

how will games be split, in terms of complexe & stnd? will it be by setup, or # of players? will there be a cap on # of players allowed in a themed game? or will we be splitting the complexe games into two categories by # of players?

 

By setup. As of right now, I don't forsee needing a cap on # of players, but we can address that if needed.

 

 

  On 2/9/2011 at 7:02 PM, Red2111 said:

also, i think others have said this, but we also need to address the current set up s we have listed for the stnd games to include a variety of more roles. have the basic set ups that are listed now, for first time mods; but those who have modded before, yet aren't experienced enough to run a complex set up, should have more options for roles they can use. these types of games shoudl be looked over by a concil mod of course, and have a set limit of players they can include (like no more than 13 players)

 

I see your point. I'm nervous about making this like the WT, where you have reqs before passing to the next level. I think mod council judgment could be used to determine if a mod is ready to tackle a complex game. However, that feels a bit subjective to me, so perhaps a middle ground can be found on that topic.

 

 

  On 2/9/2011 at 7:02 PM, Red2111 said:

as for # of games, right now and comming from past activity on this site, i can see 2 Stnd games & a Complexe one going at the same time with no problem.

 

Like Talya said, I think the breakdown she posted seems reasonable. It does depend on how many "categories" we end up with, but there should be more games running at any given time than there is now.

 

 

  On 2/9/2011 at 7:02 PM, Red2111 said:

also, Krak brings up a good point about the board. the organization of it is horrible (no offense ment). we have sign up threads scattered in with the game threads, which can confuse people as to which thread is the game thread; we have older games mixed in with new games, which can make it hard to find your game thread if it gets buried. we also have discussions about mafia games and replacement ad threads in this forum (which is good i'm not complaining) that could burry on goign games.

 

I addressed that in another post, but I can't remember where, hehe. Current games would be stickied. Easy to find. Everything else would be below.

 

 

  On 2/9/2011 at 7:02 PM, Red2111 said:

Tal brings up the best option imo for handling the issue with games being spread out; which is contacting the individual Org mods and calling a meeting lol i'm not advocating that they shoudl be stopped all together, but restricted until the player base grows again. lookign at it from a suplly/demand economics issue; theres an over abundance of supply & not as much demand, so to correct our mafia economy, we have to start limiting the supply.

 

I disagree here, and so does Wes. This would be confrontational, and we can't do that to the Orgs. What we will offer, though, is the best mods and the best games, as they will all be balanced and well-modded. Not that Org games won't - definitely not saying that. BUT, you'll avoid the frequent unbalanced game here in OG....or whatever we call it, lol. You want to play in a DPR game? Of course you do! We all do! But you can only find them here.....see what I mean?

 

 

  On 2/9/2011 at 7:02 PM, Red2111 said:

one last thing, since i've been here it hasn't been used, btu i think it migh tbe good to get the use of it started again. that mafia Scoreboard thing. it woudl be fun to have a sort of playfull competition running within the OG (maybe even accepting points from other Org games).

 

I'll leave this one up to the masses. I didn't like it when Pandy introduced it, but whatever people want to do is fine.

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I'm not sure it would be confrontational, Verb, if it was done through the New Social Group Admin and a list kept on the Staff Board and only three Orgs at a time (for instant) could play a game. It would also make the ones in the Org less active as well...lol. But I can see where you are coming from. These place does needs to be the THE best place to play, With THE best Mods and of course Wes's games :wink: Give this place a shake up and get some good games going of different calibres and things will change. When I'm up on the Newbie board I will make sure to add a bit about the Organised Games board here (or whatever it's new name will be) and promote it a bit. Some really good WoT related games would be good and then ask Jen to Tweet it on Twitter...that may bring people in too. Once we have them we tie them down so they never leave make it so enjoyable they don't want to go!

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I'd really like to keep the fast games as a category. You and I both have been able to be successful with them, and it's a nice little short game. I really like them.

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I'm always up for a quickie ;)

 

The other nice thing about some of these changes being discussed for this forum is that I think it would be easier to time sign ups - I hate signing up for a big game or two and waiting eons for it to start - then grabbing one or two slower games and then several will suddenly come up at once! I think some people end up getting over-extended that way.. at least I have in the past lol.

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  On 2/9/2011 at 3:22 PM, Verbal32 said:

Either way, I see 2 types of games - simple & complex. The simple ones will have setups the mod can choose from, but the complex ones with invented roles and all that power stuff will have to get approval from the council first.

 

Does Standard mean that it has to follow a pre-determined format? or just that it needs to stick to core roles and basic concepts?

 

Does a game with any form of triggered events (except hammer vote) automatically count as complex?

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  On 2/9/2011 at 10:17 PM, Verbal32 said:
  On 2/9/2011 at 7:02 PM, Red2111 said:

where will Fast mafia fit into this?? where the deadlines are fast, the roles can be complexe or stnd & the # of players average around 9. would this be more of a comlpexe game because of the quickness of how it's played?

 

Fast games are hardly played here, so I imagine they will fall into complex games, as that's usually how they are. DM players aren't really active enough for a "fast" game.

 

Seriosusly, let's just agree on a number of games that should be running at all times, and if one is labeled as "Fast", then great! Just my opinion here, but overthinking these things tends to drain the fun out of it. Say 5 games are always open for running, with a cap on 2 "Complex" games. Also, labelling something as complex just makes it sound hard - shouldn't we just have Basic and Advanced? Or even Level 1, Level 2, and Level 3? Keep it inviting and exciting (and sultry, whenever possible).

 

  On 2/9/2011 at 7:02 PM, Red2111 said:

how will games be split, in terms of complexe & stnd? will it be by setup, or # of players? will there be a cap on # of players allowed in a themed game? or will we be splitting the complexe games into two categories by # of players?

 

By setup. As of right now, I don't forsee needing a cap on # of players, but we can address that if needed.

 

That can be a Mod Council issue.

 

 

  On 2/9/2011 at 7:02 PM, Red2111 said:

also, i think others have said this, but we also need to address the current set up s we have listed for the stnd games to include a variety of more roles. have the basic set ups that are listed now, for first time mods; but those who have modded before, yet aren't experienced enough to run a complex set up, should have more options for roles they can use. these types of games shoudl be looked over by a concil mod of course, and have a set limit of players they can include (like no more than 13 players)

 

I see your point. I'm nervous about making this like the WT, where you have reqs before passing to the next level. I think mod council judgment could be used to determine if a mod is ready to tackle a complex game. However, that feels a bit subjective to me, so perhaps a middle ground can be found on that topic.

 

Hows about a Council Co-Pilot? When a mod is ready to step up, they get a council member to agree to co-pilot. The co-pilot doesn't have to have a presence in the game, per say, but they would have to agree to keep up with it and stay in contact with the mod. That ought to keep things on the level.

 

 

  On 2/9/2011 at 7:02 PM, Red2111 said:

as for # of games, right now and comming from past activity on this site, i can see 2 Stnd games & a Complexe one going at the same time with no problem.

 

Like Talya said, I think the breakdown she posted seems reasonable. It does depend on how many "categories" we end up with, but there should be more games running at any given time than there is now.

 

 

 

  On 2/9/2011 at 7:02 PM, Red2111 said:

also, Krak brings up a good point about the board. the organization of it is horrible (no offense ment). we have sign up threads scattered in with the game threads, which can confuse people as to which thread is the game thread; we have older games mixed in with new games, which can make it hard to find your game thread if it gets buried. we also have discussions about mafia games and replacement ad threads in this forum (which is good i'm not complaining) that could burry on goign games.

 

I addressed that in another post, but I can't remember where, hehe. Current games would be stickied. Easy to find. Everything else would be below.

 

I think we ought to have a "Welcome to the Mafia Board!" thread that explains how we work, a queu thread (with only one post that is updated!), a Mafia Council thread for questions, and current games sticked. If you want to run a game, PM a council member or post it on the CM thread. If approved, we ought to keep the games on one thread - so sign ups and game thread will be all-in-one. That way, they are easy to go back and find. How does that sound?

 

 

  On 2/9/2011 at 7:02 PM, Red2111 said:

Tal brings up the best option imo for handling the issue with games being spread out; which is contacting the individual Org mods and calling a meeting lol i'm not advocating that they shoudl be stopped all together, but restricted until the player base grows again. lookign at it from a suplly/demand economics issue; theres an over abundance of supply & not as much demand, so to correct our mafia economy, we have to start limiting the supply.

 

I disagree here, and so does Wes. This would be confrontational, and we can't do that to the Orgs. What we will offer, though, is the best mods and the best games, as they will all be balanced and well-modded. Not that Org games won't - definitely not saying that. BUT, you'll avoid the frequent unbalanced game here in OG....or whatever we call it, lol. You want to play in a DPR game? Of course you do! We all do! But you can only find them here.....see what I mean?

 

The minute you tell someone they can't do something, all hell breaks loose - so let's keep it informal and fun. Plus, a lot of people have traditional games on their Org threads, and those should stand! I think we just need to be the hub, and the place where the most mafia action is always happening. If we offer great games, that should do it.

 

 

  On 2/9/2011 at 7:02 PM, Red2111 said:

one last thing, since i've been here it hasn't been used, btu i think it migh tbe good to get the use of it started again. that mafia Scoreboard thing. it woudl be fun to have a sort of playfull competition running within the OG (maybe even accepting points from other Org games).

 

I'll leave this one up to the masses. I didn't like it when Pandy introduced it, but whatever people want to do is fine.

 

This actually made me crazy, and not because it wasn't a good idea, but because it is so subjective. If soeone wants to propose a system, that's fine, but they are a pain in the ass to keep up. I think all of the active players know who's got a badass street rep. heh

 

THE OFFICIAL NAME OF THE NEW BOARD WILL BE: "I CAN HAZ DM MAFIA NOW PLZ?"

 

 

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I know you were, sweetie. I know...

 

Also, my answers are the multicolored one's inside of Verb's quote. I know they are different colors, but 1.) I have the flu, and I don't care. 2.) I am partially colorblind, and they all look blue to me anyway...3.) I have the flu, and i do...wait, I laready said that one...

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I'm all for keeping things simple.

 

I like your thoughts, Wes. Except the game and signups being one thread. That makes rereads hard. But I can adapt if need be.

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  On 2/9/2011 at 10:04 PM, Alanna said:
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Tal brings up the best option imo for handling the issue with games being spread out; which is contacting the individual Org mods and calling a meeting lol i'm not advocating that they shoudl be stopped all together, but restricted until the player base grows again. lookign at it from a suplly/demand economics issue; theres an over abundance of supply & not as much demand, so to correct our mafia economy, we have to start limiting the supply.

 

See...I'm wary about this. I don't like the idea of telling the Orgs that they can't play mafia anymore. And I get that you're saying restrict them, but restrict them how? Let some Orgs do it and others not? I just don't see how that would work.

 

From what I've seen, most Orgs have their own list now of upcoming mafia games, so they're not running nuts all over the place. And I get that some players stretch themselves too thin, but you know, that's kind of up to them to see that they'r enot in too many at once.

 

see the problem with me getting over extended, especially with so much selection available aroudn the boards for Mafia games, is this. I'd sign up for 2 games. Game A woudl have a fast moving signup, but Game B woudl be slow as molases. because i can handle 2 games, and 2 games are needed to get my proper fix, i see Game C is about to start but only needs a few more people to sign up. but as soon as Game C starts up, Game B's signups steam roll and BOOM, i'm over extended. not because i intentionally signed up for 3 games at the same time, but because unexpectedly Game B got popular.

 

even when DM was up to full activity level, this problem still occured. i know Aust has said he's had this problem, so i'm sure others have as well.

 

one way to prevent this, and to prevent Sign Ups from taking forever; is to limit the supply. the OG should have the most games playing, especially now when the player are stretched so thin. so the only other place to start cutting the supply of games woudl be in the Orgs.

 

by restricting, i never ment send out a mandate and demand the Org's follow this. it's more of a plea from a mafia lover for the Org Mods & Mafia Mods to take it upon themselves to restrict the amoutn of games they allow to be ran around the Orgs while the player base is to thin.

 

thats why, as of now, it's one reason why i'm pulling myself off all the Mafia Ques i'm on around DM and going to put any games I mod in the OG board only.

 

 

 

  On 2/9/2011 at 10:17 PM, Verbal32 said:

I see your point. I'm nervous about making this like the WT, where you have reqs before passing to the next level. I think mod council judgment could be used to determine if a mod is ready to tackle a complex game. However, that feels a bit subjective to me, so perhaps a middle ground can be found on that topic.

 

i get how having set req's can push people away from wanting to mod *nods* and can see where a council judgement might become subjective at some point. i do like Wes's idea of a ghost Mod though!!

 

 

 

  On 2/9/2011 at 7:02 PM, Red2111 said:

as for # of games, right now and comming from past activity on this site, i can see 2 Stnd games & a Complexe one going at the same time with no problem.

 

Like Talya said, I think the breakdown she posted seems reasonable. It does depend on how many "categories" we end up with, but there should be more games running at any given time than there is now.

 

 

  On 2/9/2011 at 10:17 PM, Verbal32 said:

I addressed that in another post, but I can't remember where, hehe. Current games would be stickied. Easy to find. Everything else would be below.

 

the only problem with sticking everything is that your important threads (ie: Mod Que, Ask the Council Thread, and Mafia How Too) might get shuffled around too much. and depending on how many games are running at the same time, well having alot of stickied topics is never a good idea.

 

thats just my two cents though lmao i'm sure i'm stepping on some toes with my opinions :blush: i normally do :laugh: just tell me to shut up if it happens, thats what Bubba does anyways :tongue:

 

 

  On 2/9/2011 at 10:17 PM, Verbal32 said:

I disagree here, and so does Wes. This would be confrontational, and we can't do that to the Orgs. What we will offer, though, is the best mods and the best games, as they will all be balanced and well-modded. Not that Org games won't - definitely not saying that. BUT, you'll avoid the frequent unbalanced game here in OG....or whatever we call it, lol. You want to play in a DPR game? Of course you do! We all do! But you can only find them here.....see what I mean?

 

yeah i see that point, plus what Wes said about "as soon as you tell them no" like i said further up in this WoT, it was more of a request than a demand. personally i see it as one of the problems right now and whats preventing the Mafia games from getting back to normal; i wanted it said out in the open JIC others were thinking the same thing but didn't want to say it. i know personally, as a Mafia Mod, i intend to restrict my games to the OG for now until we get more players, and i might do that as a player as well, after Womby's game is over lol

 

 

  On 2/9/2011 at 10:17 PM, Verbal32 said:

I'll leave this one up to the masses. I didn't like it when Pandy introduced it, but whatever people want to do is fine.

 

i've never experienced it, which is why i brought it up. i know i've always seen the thread there, even though the excel sheet is hard to veiw, and wondered if it was still active. it also reminds me of a similar system a few of us from DM are designing over on a different site (a Harry Potter Site) that involves Mafia as our "Quidditch" and entails a House Cup championship. also, Lily came up with a great "Mafia How Too" FAQ over at the HP site as well; which is alot more easier to follow than the one here on DM :happy:

 

 

 

  On 2/9/2011 at 10:34 PM, Talya said:

These place does needs to be the THE best place to play, With THE best Mods and of course Wes's games :wink: Give this place a shake up and get some good games going of different calibres and things will change. When I'm up on the Newbie board I will make sure to add a bit about the Organised Games board here (or whatever it's new name will be) and promote it a bit. Some really good WoT related games would be good and then ask Jen to Tweet it on Twitter...that may bring people in too. Once we have them we tie them down so they never leave make it so enjoyable they don't want to go!

 

^^ i agree 100%

 

i don't know if i could do a WoT themed game. i was thinking of one involving the Forsaken & Alt names; it woudl be more of a complexe type game and kinda like Aemon's Gang Wars game .... i haven't worked on the set up in a while, so i'll see if i can start back on it and PM one of the council mods to look it over when i'm done.

 

 

 

  On 2/10/2011 at 2:53 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

Seriosusly, let's just agree on a number of games that should be running at all times, and if one is labeled as "Fast", then great! Just my opinion here, but overthinking these things tends to drain the fun out of it. Say 5 games are always open for running, with a cap on 2 "Complex" games. Also, labelling something as complex just makes it sound hard - shouldn't we just have Basic and Advanced? Or even Level 1, Level 2, and Level 3? Keep it inviting and exciting (and sultry, whenever possible).

 

i have a bad problem of overthinking things :blush::laugh:

 

 

i agree onthe labeling thing!! Basic & Advanced are good & simple which can be an advantage seeing as sometimes the games can be so complexe. i'll have to look in the thesaurus and see if i can find other words that mean the same thing as Basic & Advance but have more appeal and a fun nature to them.

 

 

 

  On 2/10/2011 at 2:53 AM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

THE OFFICIAL NAME OF THE NEW BOARD WILL BE: "I CAN HAZ DM MAFIA NOW PLZ?"

 

LOVE IT!!! now, we just need to find out who is the Basment Kitteh of the board and put them in charge :baalzamon:

 

of course, i do have a Basment Kitteh at home, and Woody loves to run things :laugh: plus i'm sure he's trying to get me lynched, so he's the perfect Godfather Kitteh!!

 

oh it's offical, i'm SOOOO designing an LoLz mafia hehehehhehe

 

 

i agree with Lily, and forthe same reasons. alot of the sign up threads have convos in them that can span for 6 pages. it can make re-reads harder, but i'm also willing to adapt if others are. especially if it makes finding the games and keeping this place organized easier.

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Maybe once the sign ups are done, then the thread needs to be locked. Then the Game thread goes up straight after that, so the sign up thread is lost. I'm not a fan of having them in the same thread, I have to say. Also I'm not a fan of the story of the game being put in the sign up thread then you go to the Game thread and you have to go back on forth. Anything Game worthy needs to be in the game thread. That's just my opinion because too many threads with info on is confusing for me. Shame we don't have the two levels of sticky threads, that would have been good...Announcements for all the Infomation stuff, which always stay at the top and Pinned games below that, Sign up threads in the normal area...But alas I'm dreaming on that part, lol...just a little wistful thinking.

 

I know Verb and Wes you are against the Org limitation, but have you ever though of actually broaching it on the Staff board and see the reaction...just a thought, because if it something that they can come up with, it may actually work and you're not telling them No you can't have them or that they can only have so many. They may say no, but you just never know! You can but ask. Which is more what I was going for than them being told, lol.

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i don't know if i could do a WoT themed game. i was thinking of one involving the Forsaken & Alt names; it woudl be more of a complexe type game and kinda like Aemon's Gang Wars game .... i haven't worked on the set up in a while, so i'll see if i can start back on it and PM one of the council mods to look it over when i'm done.

 

LOl um, that's like exactly the game I've been waiting to mod here on OG for, like, almost a year now :unsure:

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:blink: the jig is up!!

 

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:baalzamon: and here i thought i had destroyed the pic the nanny cam had taken. on a serious note Alanna, you're alot better with the WoT material than me :happy: just make sure i have a place in the signups, kay. :laugh:

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  On 2/10/2011 at 3:15 PM, Talya said:

Maybe once the sign ups are done, then the thread needs to be locked. Then the Game thread goes up straight after that, so the sign up thread is lost. I'm not a fan of having them in the same thread, I have to say. Also I'm not a fan of the story of the game being put in the sign up thread then you go to the Game thread and you have to go back on forth. Anything Game worthy needs to be in the game thread. That's just my opinion because too many threads with info on is confusing for me. Shame we don't have the two levels of sticky threads, that would have been good...Announcements for all the Infomation stuff, which always stay at the top and Pinned games below that, Sign up threads in the normal area...But alas I'm dreaming on that part, lol...just a little wistful thinking.

 

I know Verb and Wes you are against the Org limitation, but have you ever though of actually broaching it on the Staff board and see the reaction...just a thought, because if it something that they can come up with, it may actually work and you're not telling them No you can't have them or that they can only have so many. They may say no, but you just never know! You can but ask. Which is more what I was going for than them being told, lol.

 

 

I guess we could do that. However, if you look at the mod council, we have a real presence in the Orgs that run mafia games. We have the OL for 2 Orgs in our council - you and Nae. There's 2 big Orgs that run mafia games - the other one is the WT. I can't really influence that, but many of the mods that run games there are ones like Lily & Red, who will be doing that here instead.

 

But we can still propose the question if you want. I'm cool either way.

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When you put it like that, lol. I could just as easily reduce the amount we play Mafia, it would be nice to get something else going in the Org every now and then anyway!:laugh: I guess the subject is mute...

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  On 1/26/2011 at 9:26 PM, alannalynn said:

Yes, and I've complained about it beyond multiple times and gotten enraged other times when I'm on a mafia team that is especially inactive. I just can't stand it. When people are inactive, it makes me not care anymore because there's no way to JUDGE players if they're not talking. It goes both ways and inactivity loses the game for the town. I recently had to choose between two players at end game. By Day 9, one had posted a TOTAL of 11 times, the other a TOTAL of 18. Unfortunately for me I pick the more "active" one to cast majority vote for a lynch and lose the game. This was WoT mafia. Oops! *sigh*

 

If you know you're not going to be able to contribute (which is posting at LEAST once a day-- and ACTUAL posts, not "oh yeah, whatever, I'm here...") then you shouldn't sign up for it in the first place. And saying you have nothing to say doesn't really cut it: at least agree and TRY to form your own thoughts or admit you are confused. . . just my two cents. I'm fed up with inactive players, makes active players give up on the game too and then you come to a standstill and everyone is screwed.

 

 

The problem is people sign up for way too many games, and they only have so many posts to go around. I think mods need to let players know that they will modkill or replace inactive players, regardless of role or alignment, and that inactivity will be at the determination of the mod. LOAs are one thing - but people just not showing up for real life days, or posting once per game day, is rude to the mod, and rude to the rest of the players. If you can't actually hold up your end of the bargain and play, then don't sign up for the game.

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  On 1/27/2011 at 7:09 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

I don't like the idea of a blacklist, exactly, but maybe if mod were more choosy about who could play in their games....

 

I'm actually thinking of modding a small game with just the people who are posting on this thread and see if it can get fun again.

 

I actually do like the idea of a blacklist. Name and shame tends to work. More, if I happen to know that Lily is an inactive player from my experience with her, then other mods should have that information available, not have to find out for themselves by having her sign up for the game they spent a ton of time crafting, only to learn midway that 3 of their players don't actually play.

 

And frankly, if anyone complains . . . tough. If you don't want to be on the inactive player list . . . be more active. It's completely your choice - and the ability to get your name off the list by demonstrating activity in smaller, non-themed games makes that reasonable, too.

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