Goku v. Rand?

[alligator]

I was having a... discussion with my boyfriend on who would win in a battle, Goku (from DBZ) or Rand.

I haven't seen any DBZ so I can't really compare the two, lol, but I have to think Rand would win, because he can pretty much do anything. Though I hear Goku blew up a planet once....

 

Anyway, what do you guys think? Goku or Rand?

[-ZanMgt- OneNight]

Rand.

 

Goku cannot form weaves to hold Rand in place. Rand can.

 

Goku cannot form weaves to Balefire anything. Rand can.

 

Goku cannot form weaves to Travel anywhere in an instant, for escape or rescuing. Rand can.

 

Goku cannot form weaves to disguise himself to get close to Rand. Rand can.

 

Goku cannot form weaves to shield Rand. Rand most likely can.

 

Goku does not have the pattern bending around him. Rand does.

 

Goku does not have hundreds of thousands of soldiers and thousands of channlers at his disposal. Rand does.

 

 

However there are a couple of things in Goku's favor.

 

Goku has the spirit bomb, Goku can stand being thrown through a mountain and hit by some of the most powerful attacks ever and survive and Goku can easily be revived.

[Lynchgrinch]

....youve....not...seen...dragon ball z????

 

 

 

 

 

WHAT THE ACTUAL HELLL????

 

watch it NOW!!

 

Rand would still win though, by miles. but Goku is so damn awesome!

[zshadez]

http://www.nihonreview.com/anime/dragonball-z/

 

Great review of DBZ here.

 

 

If you have any interest in things like plot, pacing, atmosphere, or motivation I would suggest avoiding this one.

[Phenom]

Goku would lose. His spirit bomb took like 5 episodes to build up. By that time Rand would've slaughtered him.

[alligator]

So I watched the first thirteen episodes of DBZ Kai (the condensed version) and it was still super slow, lol. The fight with Vegeta and Napa, with Goku coming back from King Kai, that took approximately six episodes.... But my boyfriend still insists it's fantastic!

 

But now that I'm more informed...

yeah, Rand could definitely take Goku. EXCEPT that Goku can move superfast. Rand can Travel, and channeling is nearly instantaneous, but he is still held back by human reflex time. So I think Goku might be able to stay on the defensive forever, but if he ever tried to do an energy attack thing, Rand would get an auto KO.

 

Though the intro song is pretty funny.

[-ZanMgt- OneNight]

Yeah I always thought the intro song was messed up, and if you listen carefully it actually sounds like,

 

"Tired of life? Head shot eyes? Eh, God whod've thought I said: Go there! Come-a eye eye eye eye eye. I kill you, kill you, kill you, kill you!"

[Lynchgrinch]

Yeah I always thought the intro song was messed up, and if you listen carefully it actually sounds like,

 

"Tired of life? Head shot eyes? Eh, God whod've thought I said: Go there! Come-a eye eye eye eye eye. I kill you, kill you, kill you, kill you!"

 

 

 

oh man, i laughed sooo hard

[Silver]

I'm sorry but Goku. As ridiculous as it sounds, he can move faster than light and can easily kill a normal person with his pinky.

[zshadez]

I'm sorry but Goku. As ridiculous as it sounds, he can move faster than light and can easily kill a normal person with his pinky.

 

Yeah, but he doesn't want to kill the Dragon he wants to grab his balls and make a wish. Rand wins.

[Evoke]

Go-who?

[ONEMariachi]

Goku has instant Transmission, which means he can pretty much teleport anywhere instaneously. his Kamehameha might as well be Balefire :p he also once went into Lava and came out fine, I have a feeling nothign Rand could do would in anyway hurt Goku

[Alys Kinch]

Grab the dragon's balls to make a wish, lol. That'd be dirty if it weren't so true.

 

The whole point in the show seemed to be to make him become invinsible. The pacing definately sucked. The biggest thing is Rand's favor (and he's definately NOT a normal human, agreed?) is that Goku's attacks take FOREVER to build up from the super sayan (sp?) to the kamehameha wave. And we know he can die since he died so many times throughout. He may be brought back to life an inordinate number of times though.

 

Btw, lava doesn't burn you from memory, existance and reincarnation. Balefire does.

 

My instinct is to go with Rand since he could get the job done without having to wait for the energy build-up and commentary.

[Fains nose]

awesome thread. Goku would definately win though, he can just teleport around to dodge rands attacks and then just ka-may-a-maya Rands ass. plus goku can fly, and if Goku gets killed, he just goes to that little planet and trains until Krilin and Bulma and the rest find enough dragon balls to bring him back to life. the spirit bomb (as someone mentioned) wouldnt work though, because Rand isnt stupid enough to stand there for two weeks worth of episodes chatting with Goku while he generates the spirit bomb like Freeza did.

[ONEMariachi]

All Goku needs to do is super speed it to Rands side and karate chop to the throat, all is over, it wouldn't even come to the one power or energy beams being used. Rand wouldn't have a chance, in terms of physical prowess he is not even remotely close to Gokus power. Goku is pretty much superman, and Rand is just a normal very skilled fighter with the one power, He hasn't got the speed nor strength to compete with Goku

[Alys Kinch]

...There are protective weaves to stop physical attacks...

 

I suppose, in the end, it'd be a matter of preparation?

[Jon Paul]

Big Rand-fanboy here, big Kakarot-fanboy as well.

 

Lets face it. Goku can move faster than Rand can think never mind weave. Hell, Yamcha can move quicker than the average human eye can see never mind Goku. Only men who have dedicated their entire lives to martial arts can see Yamcha's movements and Goku is like.. so much stronger than Yamcha that it isn't even funny.

 

Rand may be be an avatar of the Creator or what-not. But the Creator is Goku's cook.

[SecretlyNinja]

Gonna have to go with Rand. Goku is practically invincible, (not to mention immortal,) and like numerous other people have stated before Goku can move pretty freakin' fast. But Rand can just weave whatever he wants almost instantly, and has a ton of protective weaves he can use to defend himself form Goku's physical attacks.

 

It'd be close, I guess, but in the end, Rand can just balefire Goku out of existence. I think that pretty much wins ;P

[Elend]

If Rand can trick Goku into a kamehameha battle, Rand wins due to balefire being much more awesome than the kamehameha.

 

Otherwise Goku takes it very easily. If he has to he'll just blow up the planet and use instant transmission to go to Namek assuming ethics don't apply.

 

A better fight is Rand vs Lelouch. Does his ta'veren awesomeness stand up to Zero-sama's geass? Likely, though I get the feeling that the two would get together and exchange notes on how not to rule a large empire rather than fight.

[Jon Paul]

The only way Rand will be able to Balefire Kakarot is if he manages to try and sucker Kakarot into standing for the blast. But Kakarot is a pure genius at fighting. He'll sense the power of the Balefire and dodge. He wont need to waste time having an energy-wave battle with Rand. He'll just hit him and hit him hard.

 

In fact, Kakarot wouldn't even fight Rand, unless Rand posed a threat to Kakarot. Which, honestly, he doesn't.

[Elend]

I tend to agree, its more of a "what if" situation. If Rand could get Goku into a beam battle I could see Rand winning. Not in any other situation. And I say Goku wouldn't dodge in that situation because no one seems to dodge in a beam battle in DBZ for whatever reason.

 

Rand could beat Naruto or Ichigo though. Neither have planet destroying capabilities and are a bit annoying at that.

 

And this is Goku's power folks. His base form destroys planets and each of his transformations is like multiplying the previous power level by 50 or so. And yes. Just initiating that transformation caused the world to shake and sucked in the sky, only being spit back out once he was done. Believing that Rand's weaves could compete with it, short of balefire, is silly. And the chances of balefire actually hitting are low considering its dodged rather often with mundane speed.

 

Now, Gohan vs Goku would be a good thread. But Dragonball Z has the most inflated power levels I've ever seen, short of TTGL's galaxy sized mecha that throw literal big bangs around as attacks.

 

In fact, lets talk Gohan vs Goku.

[Jon Paul]

I tend to agree, its more of a "what if" situation. If Rand could get Goku into a beam battle I could see Rand winning. Not in any other situation. And I say Goku wouldn't dodge in that situation because no one seems to dodge in a beam battle in DBZ for whatever reason.

 

The only time characters don't dodge is when they're confident they can hold it. Most times they can except for the odd surprise or two. When Radditz done his "watch the birdie" thing in the Saiyan Saga during his battle with Kakarot and Piccolo, both dodged because they knew they couldn't take the blast.

 

Kakarot would know to dodge the Balefire because a) he would sense it's dangerous and b) King Kai would warn him !

 

And this is Goku's power folks.

 

In my humble opinion, it all went down after Cell. But this has to be the single most epic moment in television history. The music, the actors, the sheer epic power that was felt in an isolated corner of another dimension.. it's beautiful and still gives me goosebumps.

 

Shame it was sort of cheapened by Gotenks..

 

And also, I wish Kakarot kept his tale! Every time something epic happens, the Great Ape shows up like it did above or when he fought King Piccolo and punched right through him.

 

In fact, lets talk Gohan vs Goku.

 

As of the end of the story (GT didn't happen for me :D!) in raw power Gohan was superior to his father. But Goku is a warrior. All he does is train, train, train, train, fight, train, train, train, save the universe, train, train, train and you get the picture. His mental shape it top notch. He knows what to do with his power which in and of its self isn't THAT far behind Gohan.

 

Gohan's human blood simply tempers him too much which COULD be seen as a good thing.

[Elend]

I tend to agree but I think that, at the end of the day, Goku's power consumption is too high. He gets exhausted very easily from all his transformations and keeping them going whereas Mystic Gohan didn't seem to burn it as quickly.

 

Its a shame we didn't see him in a truly long battle after his final power-up like we did Goku. I'd like to know if he really was that much more fuel efficient than his father. Goku, though, has the willpower. He keeps going even when he shouldn't be able to and Gohan doesn't have that.

 

It'd be an awesome fight to see.

 

Did you read Toriyama's most recent one shot? It was pretty good, made me wish it was a series :(

[Jon Paul]

Aah but during Kakarot's time spent in Otherworld he no doubt explored the SSJ-state to depths unknown. How else could he have found out about the SSJ3 transformation? As of the end of the tale the SSJ transformation would likely not put that much of a strain, if any at all, on Kakarot. Likely it would equal to that of Gohan powering up. The only dodgy area for Kakarot is SSJ3 and I think he would have enough time to deal out the damage to Gohan that is necessary. The problem when he fought Buu wasn't that his energy-consumption was ridiculous but that Buu himself was a bottomless well who could keep going on. Gohan would also begin to get tired unlike Buu.

 

I am also sad that we didn't get to really see "Mystic Gohan" in action for an extended period. But he's not a warrior, never really was, so it's not very important.

 

Kakarot would own Gohan. A better fight would be a trained Uub vs Gohan.

 

And no, haven't seen it.