Will Gawyn Kill Egwene?

[FarShainMael]

Haven't we heard on a quote from Brandon, that "Gawyn will have to live with the fruit of his decisions for a long time"?

If those decisions involve killing Rand before TG, Gawyn isn't going to be living very long at all. Nor is anybody else.

[dwn]

Some thoughts:

 

Rand knows that Morgase is alive as of TGS. This would provide a likely way of diffusing a confrontation with Gawyn.

 

A few Aes Sedai have pointed out how strong an Amyrlin Egwene will be, and how long she's likely to hold the position. This foreshadows her not lasting long as Amyrlin.

 

Gawyn is unstable and close to Egwene, which could be something Mesaana might exploit. Also, Mesaana has a bunch of sleepweavers to play with.

 

In the Arthurian legends, Guinevere is a betraying figure while Gawain generally supports Arthur.

 

I'm still waiting for one or more prominent good guys to turn to the Shadow. Such betrayals played a big part in the War of Power.

 

Egwene's Accepted test, due to the ter'angreal resonance, has often been thought to have a more solid basis in reality than others. Perhaps Gawyn kills Egwene in order to save her, thus fulfilling both sides of the prophecy simultaneously.

 

Egwene's death at this point could nearly destroy the Aes Sedai. While that would make for an amazing plotline, I'm not sure there's enough time left to deal with it adequately. On the other hand, it would certainly add to the endgame chaos and might not need to be fully resolved.

 

'Towers of Midnight' could, in part, refer to the light going out for the White Tower. Perhaps 'The unstained tower, broken, bends knee to the forgotten sign' hasn't been fully realized.

 

 

The compiled (loony?) theory:

 

Egwene turns to the Shadow (by any means). Gawyn's choice is to follow her into darkness, or 'save' her by opposing and killing her. He chooses the latter which fulfills both paths in Min's and Egwene's prophecies. This results in the White Tower turning to Rand, reversing the fracturing of the Aes Sedai that began with Lews Therin's strike at Shayol Ghul. (Gawyn's conflict with Rand has been misdirection and is resolved in the obvious way.)

 

-- dwn

[Luckers]

Haven't we heard on a quote from Brandon, that "Gawyn will have to live with the fruit of his decisions for a long time"?

If those decisions involve killing Rand before TG, Gawyn isn't going to be living very long at all. Nor is anybody else.

 

I don't recall that quote, but if its true Rand does have something of a 'get out of jail free' card.

[Tiinker]

Aaaanddd.....lost

 

 

possibly news of elayne pregnancy might also do the trick and he will convince himself that rand raped elayne, provided he knows rand the father.

 

Possibly. But I think that is too dark for WoT.

I don't agree. Gawyn Rand raping Elayne would be too dark for WoT. Gawyn believing Rand has raped Elayne, hardly so. Besides, if Elayne tells Gawyn about Rahvin and Morgase, that will give him all sorts of ideas about what a man can do with the Power to control a woman - not that he didn't likely have similar ideas before. Elayne telling him about Rahvin would confirm those suspicions in his mind.

 

Did I get little error there right? Or totally wrong..

 

 

 

Isn't it doubtful that Rand is going to die before TG? The whole series has been building up to the crucial moment when Rand fights the DO at Tarmon Gaidin and if RJ/BS take that away from the book I dont see anyway where they write anything as powerful as that to replace it. And if Egwene dies then.. all those books about the Amyrlin? Waste really :/ just my 2 cents. These characters have their plot built in too deeply at the moment to just get killed off. Maybe at the end of aMoL. Cept Gawyn.. he can go :p

[Luckers]

No its not doubtful that Rand will die before TG. Rand has to die, one way or another--the prophecies are too clear--the key is they also indicate that he lives after his death. There are many theories about how this occurs, but that this is the case means Rand can die before TG and still be there to fight the Dark One.

[Stumpo]

Hi,

 

Do the events in ToM answer this? It seems that Gawayn had a choice to make, and by choosing to return and be w/ Eg she lives.

 

Elayne also calls him out on his hatred of Rand, and he realizes that she was right, and jealous of him for leading armies, and conquering nations.

 

Or do you guys think there is still Something else that will happen?

[Zentari]

Darkest theory yet, best theory ever !

[Terez]

Hi,

 

Do the events in ToM answer this? It seems that Gawayn had a choice to make, and by choosing to return and be w/ Eg she lives.

 

Elayne also calls him out on his hatred of Rand, and he realizes that she was right, and jealous of him for leading armies, and conquering nations.

 

Or do you guys think there is still Something else that will happen?

Well, the most interesting thing to me is that one of Egwene's dreams - the forked road - doesn't seem to have much to do with anything that happened in TOM. Marrying him might lead to a long and happy life for Gawyn, or it might lead to his death. We don't know which yet. For that matter, we don't know for sure that they will be married. Min's viewing suggested that either Egwene would bond Gawyn or that he would break her neck. Since she has bonded him, that has been averted, but the dream is less clear. It is a good opportunity for RJ to suggest that all is well with the bonding, and then turn our expectations around by having him die a violent death anyway. And of course, Egwene will suffer from that. To me that seems the most likely option.

[Hyronimus]

hmm,i have to agree that there are still portents of doom 'round eg and gw but the final scene with the pair on the FoM seems to take the wind out of gawyn's vengfulness, no?

[Terez]

Yes, but the point of the dream was that, if they do marry, there is a chance that it will be the cause of his violent death. This would seem to suggest Gawyn dying because he did something at Egwene's orders. In that scenario, his discarded revenge mission is irrelevant.

[Hyronimus]

in that case, disobeying her orders makes more sense.

 

"he still had an inpulsive streak"

 

His noble/redeming death could allow for a VoG moment(as seems to be the expression) that allows her to over come her issue with the seachan.

 

(i paraphrase) it frightened her how much she hated them...

 

Hey, does anyone get a queen elizabeth vib from egwene?

[Ananta]

Gawyn accidentally gives Egwene one of the Bloodknives' rings when they marry, leading to Egwenes death.

 

 

D:

[FarShainMael]

Or Gawyn drops dead from shock when he finds out how they're activated, and he realises he's been wearing them next to his skin for simply ages....

[SuperFade]

If Gawyn does die, it'll probably be the Bloodknife Rings that do him in. All it would take is one small cut to get his blood on them and he'll be living on borrowed time.

[Tiinker]

What's to say that's true?

[Terez]

If he dies, it's going to be violent, and the slow death of the Bloodring doesn't qualify. That fits Galad better - wrapping himself in white as though putting on his own shroud. If Galad uses the Bloodring for some greater principle, then it fits (and him joining the Whitecloaks then becomes a red herring of sorts, though the dream might have a double meaning).

[Lupy]

Do you think that Galad and Gawyn will meet up at the Fields of Merrilor? And would Gawyn even give him a blood knife ring? My re-read has really made me feel how much Elayne and Gawyn despise Galad.

[Elend]

I kinda have to wonder who Galad will side with regarding Merrilor.

[David Selig]

Do you think that Galad and Gawyn will meet up at the Fields of Merrilor? And would Gawyn even give him a blood knife ring? My re-read has really made me feel how much Elayne and Gawyn despise Galad.

Gawyn despises Galad? where do you get this from? I think it's pretty clear it's the opposite, Gawyn really likes and respects Galad. Galad saved Gawyn's life and gawyn respected him so much he didn't want to admit his feeling for Egwene because he thought Galad was interested in her too.

[GB]

and i think elayne has grown up as well and doesnt despise galad anymore, remember she said she was happy to see him again in ToM.