[DPR Mafia] Call-Your-Shot Mafia- Points being posted...

[Far Dareis Mai]

EDIT TO HUGE MANIFESTO CASE!

 

I said that he logged on Feb 10th (which is actually today), but what I meant to say was that he logged onto DM last Feb 8th, but did not make any posts. Sorry guys. I'm exhausted.

[WWWwombat]

I was just noticing that Tynaal was either killed by the SK or the Psycho. In DPR's OP she was torn apart, ad everyone else was either killed or lynched.

 

Tigs was thrown in a meat grinder.

[Kivam]

Dae is high up on my suspect list for two things - the "lets get day 1 over with" post, and the disappearing act

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

It still has her down for just killed on the OP though.

[Far Dareis Mai]

Casing Liathiana!

 

First post is a check in post.

Disagrees with mass reveal:

I don't think a mass reveal is a good idea at all. I think most likely this is a ploy to get Kivam points

Next post :

I'm dreading a reread but perhaps I can come up with something that hasn't already been said if I do or something will pop out at me.

 

Someone act more suspicious will ya? No? *sighs*

Thinks Pandy is suspicious:

Have you even been reading Pale? Kivam who first suggested the reveal is even backtracking now and of all the people posting only you and one other have ever bothered to vote when Kivam beckoned.

 

I think Alys is making a lot of sense at the moment. I'm leaning towards Pandy at the moment.

Votes Pandy:

I think of everyone I've seen so far Pandy is the most suspicious to me. He revealed Day 1 without needing to *if* he's telling the truth about his role which I don't believe. I think it's a nice cover-up for whatever that exchange was actually supposed to accomplish. Then he comes in and gives a random reason for voting Nae. It's the best idea for Mafia that I have at the moment.

I'm staying with my vote, nothing I've read has convinced me to change it anywhere. I suppose I could be convinced to go for a vote on someone just to end the day though, it feels like it's never going to end.

Unvotes Pandy:

I suppose I will give Pandy a benefit of a doubt for now.

 

unvote Pandy

 

I really have no idea who to vote for now though :/

Votes Kivam:

DPR: I unvoted Pandy back around page 38, not that it changes much but I noticed you still had me as voting Pandy on your last Vote Count.

 

Rey's reveal? :headdesk

 

That being said I'm really sick of the Eternal Day we've got going on. Since I don't have a better suspicion...Kivam in the interests of getting Day over.

Unvotes Kivam, doesn't want to lynch Rey.

unvote Kivam

 

I'm sick of Day and I feel like we are going nowhere. I'd rather not lynch Rey however because he's revealed. FDM and Nae are both at the top of my suspicious lists. We haven't heard from Barm in awhile, lying low?

Changes her mind and votes Rey.

Barm: True. I suppose I'm used to hearing more from you.

 

FDM: He's referring to a comment by Kivam a page or two back.

 

I can't say I'm buying it Rey. Mafia lies, you lied and then you tried to cover it up when people weren't buying it. Rey

Next post is celebratory post.

Next post is not relevant to game.

Next post is celebratory post.

This post is just...there.

Am I the only one confused by Barm's post?

 

And that was convenient for Pandy.

Votes Dsworn after after Barm's Cromwell post.

After his post on Dsworn, I suspected Barm was finder myself. Dsworn, guess we'll see.

Next post not relevant to game.

Then there's this post:

That's what it sounds like to me Wombat. Good for the Doc I guess but not being able to receive her information really sucks. Sounds like she was giving information the Mafia didn't want us to get. We'll have to go back over her posts and see if we can glean anything more. Though it's less likely, they could have gunned for Tigraine and the other killer went after Alys.

Last post:

*jumps up and down on the white bed* Wheeee!

 

Yeah, I pretty much believe Barm unless someone comes out and counter-claims convincingly.

 

Pale: Tell us Night 2 person, like Kiv says, unless they're Doc or Cop then Barm's role is good to keep around.

 

I'm still suspicious of Dsworn myself.

Aaaand, that's it.

[Far Dareis Mai]

Hyyyybrid!

 

This one is easy. He's only made 10 posts in the game.

 

First post is 'checking in' post.

Votes Pete:

And Barm what if Wes, made Talya town because he thought we would think she was mafia, but by him thinking that he probably deduced that we would figure he would make her town because we suspect her being mafia so he kept her mafia just to throw us off.

 

WIFOM.  Sure, it's off Barm's metagaming post, but then you follow it up with a bit of metagaming of your own:

 

It is really weird that I am number eleven in two games and innocent in both

 

I'm glad we can take your word for it.

 

I think I know who's going to get my first vote.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Pete[/glow]

 

Didn't see any reason for FDM to request someone "find" her - double bluff is my gut feeling, but heck this is day 1 so no knowledge for sure.

For what it's worth -- and I know I'm echoing half the other players -- I agree that it's a shady move.

 

Maybe I've played too often with Mynd and the MJ folks, but I realized how much you can alter gut feelings with joke posts.  There's the subconscious effect on the cop that I think Naeann mentioned.  But then that post also puts a big target on her back for a night kill (Let's give the cop no information) and that affects the doctor as well (Do I gamble to prevent a night kill?).  Basically, it puts a bunch of roles in a WIFOM position, and I don't like that.

 

First off, sorry for being inactive lately.  I got slammed by schoolwork last week.  Midterm, research paper, and computer science project all due within days of each other, then I had a scrimmage on Saturday. I'm catching up now though and will post my thoughts shortly.

 

Votes Nae:

 

OK. 

 

- Glad to see we scrapped the mass reveal plan.  One thing that I noticed that is very interesting is that the points system keeps getting emphasized.  Putting points first is antitown behavior.  Innocents care first and foremost about catching the scum.  Points are the secondary objective.  If we get distracted by personal glory, we will lose as a team.

 

- There is also way too much of pointing out personal mafia habits going on ("Everyone always thinks I'm guilty when I'm innocent" for example).  Enough with the WIFOM, already.  For example:

 

If I truly was mafia with Barm I wouldn't respond to the suspicion of it by calling more suspicion down on my head by sarcastically telling Rey that he found us out.  I'd likely have just ignored the comment and carried on.  I'd like to think I'm a smart enough mafia player that I wouldn't call attention to the very suspicion that would get not only me, but also a teammate killed right off the bat.

 

And this in a game where the mafia are motivated to pull off gambits.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote and vote Nae[/glow]

 

Exactly.  His last handful of posts smack of Jester.

 

This.

 

Completely unprompted role reveal and then the sympathy play.  Both moves that have already been criticized as scummish ( ;D ) earlier in this game.  I'd rather stay away from a lynch on him until we get further information. 

 

I hate reveals like this simply because they don't give enough information to catch the revealer in a possible lie.

 

Alys, what would you suggest our next move is if Rey flips innocent?  If he flips mafia?

 

Also, LOA notice from Thursday afternoon until Sunday night.

 

A question for you Alys. Are you saying that ONLY 1 of them can be Mafia, or at least one of them is mafia.

I already thought of this, but as stated one. It does not qualify with at least or only, for what it’s worth. Like I said, too good to pass up. 2 trusted, one out at best with me being questionable still given that I can’t pin point with any accuracy. Again, I won’t hide the facts.

 

That's what I was getting at with my questions.  To make sure that I understand correctly, this means that if Reyoru flips mafia, neither Pandy nor Kivam are cleared, right? 

 

I'm worried that this could be a bussing play to clear Alys and maybe one or both of Kivam and Pandy from suspicion, given that the votes were already leaning in Reyoru's direction.  It would only work if she was a godfather, but role reveals with a lack of information make me sketchy.

 

Reminder: I will be on LOA until Sunday.  Sorry guys.  :(

 

I'm not going to vote yet because obviously I don't want to place a vote when I'm about to be inactive.  But when I get back, midterms week will be over, so I should be able to be more active.

 

I wouldn't expect anything less from Lily, and I can easily tell you Rey's play Kiv. He isn't as experienced as you, or Barm so you decided to use him as cannon fodder to give you something to argue around so you could avoid suspicoun

 

Kivam sacrificed Reyoru?  It was Kivam who advised keeping Reyoru around until Alys came out with her own reveal -- and you were the one who called him out on it:

 

Well Kivam I may have interpreted it wrong, but from what I saw anytime people wanted to lynch Rey you said we should keep him around and anyone he actually vies as being scum equates to being 66% accurate versus 50% accurate. I may be connecting too many dots but that is how I see it.

 

That's a rather strange 180 on the matter.  How coincidental that it came when Kivam backed up Barm's "hunch" that you were scum.

 

I'm fine with voting you right now, but I agree that we should see what Barm has to say before we hammer DS.

 

EDIT WHILE POSTING: Lily just voted for DS.  I'm not going to vote just yet until we get a vote count.  I'm not too worried about the double voter, but it's better to be safe than sorry.

 

 

Fin.

[Far Dareis Mai]

Also of note:

 

DPR responded to my pm and said that Dae had taken an LOA but that it has gone on longer than expected. He's not in trouble yet, but DPR is trying to get in touch with him. I got that a few hours ago, but have been distracted with casing. :P

[Kivam]

Pete:

 

First post - checks in, votes himself, and says Barm is suspicious for his joke post about the Gambit:

 

I am here and I am voting pete because I am number 11. A little tradition of mine, and I know that was a joke post barm, but it pinged my radar.

 

After I also vote Barm, for a later "who said I was joking" post:

 

I am actually agreeing with Kiv.

 

And Barm what if Wes, made Talya town because he thought we would think she was mafia, but by him thinking that he probably deduced that we would figure he would make her town because we suspect her being mafia so he kept her mafia just to throw us off.

 

And my number 11 vote is just to get things rolling and then I usually switch it to someone I would rather see lynched, like for instance unvote and vote barm

 

It is really weird that I am number eleven in two games and innocent in both

 

After Barm votes for him:

 

So basically that was a long winded OMGUS.

 

Anyways the nostalgia points, was me joking around with Wes when he said my joke WIFOM was like watching a video of his kid trick-or-treating.

 

I haven't called you out for metagaming. I knew it was a joke as soon as you posted it. You just seem off this game and you are pinging my radar over everyone else, so you get my day 1 vote.

 

After Barm calls him on his changing reactions to the "joke" post:

 

I knew your post was a big joke, but your joke just felt off. I don't know how to describe it other than that. As far as me being inconsistent goes, I have maintained all along I believe you were joking, your metagaming was a joke, like I said before it just felt off and pinged my radar.

 

After Pandy's reveal:

 

Wow day one role reveal, way to paint a target on yourself.

 

Is OK with the mass reveal:

 

I have read the whole Kivam thing about revealing and whatever you all decide is fine with me I am with the majority.

 

I was thinking the same thing about the evangelist Lily, only being able to recruit players who said the same thing.

 

So far this game I am suspicous of Nae, FDM, Lavinya, and Barm.

 

Those are about the only ones that are pinging my radar.

 

So here is what I am thinking now.

 

Kivam is innocent because he wants a mass role reveal, but if you think about it, no one ever agrees to that plan, Kiv could have put that forward so he would look innocent for wanting it.

 

I think Nae and Lavinya are playing off each other, Nae wants to lynch Kiv and so does Liv but Nae is putting a little distance between them so if Kiv is innocent then when he flips innocent she will be just far enough away from Lavinya that she won't get suspected.

 

After Lavinya agrees:

 

I said the same thing about Kiv but in shorter words. In fact he is more of a benefit if he is lynched, so we can test the WIFOM he has created, by suggesting the role reveals

 

And as far as you and Nae playing off each other, I believe you are, you could not be but I have no reason to believe differently at this time.

 

Lily points out that he is still voting for Barm, not me - he replies

 

Well I wanted to give Kiv a chance to reply before we really got the bandwagon rolling.

 

But for now unvote and vote Kiv

 

But Nae she is my follower  :-\

 

Anyways I will go back and read but I could swear you wanted Kiv lynched.

 

And then there is this

Quote from: Naeann on January 28, 2010, 02:03:26 AM

2. If Lavi and I are playing off each other then why did you vote for Kiv?  I agreed with Kiv that Lavi's post contradicted itself.  If I were to vote either of them it would be her.

 

 

Why haven't you yet, that seems like as good a reason as any for day one voting.

 

Now this next post I find interesting:

 

I tend to believe Panda, because it is one of the listed roles and no one has counter-claimed.

 

Nae, I had a gut feeling about you also, I might let you bribe me with some Martha cookies though

 

I find this odd, since I've claimed one of the listed roles, nobody has counterclaimed, but Pete has essentially been voting for me and nobody else since Day 1

 

I am happy with lynching either Barm or Kiv today. Kiv isn't pinging my radar but using my logical side he is most likely to be mafia, and Barm is pinging my radar so I am torn between my gut and my head.

 

After Nae's eyerolling post:

 

All I have to say is that Nae is to experienced to make that mistake.

 

And thus a WIFOM is created

 

A few posts to say "well, someone was going to say that".  Then

 

Alys that was a very good analysis, and I can't understand why people are voting me but it will be to no avail.

 

Now chew on that Rey for a while.

 

Rey says "chew on what" and Pete replies:

 

The whole no avail thing

 

Oh well you said you want some posts to think about.

 

Now you have to decide if I was blowing smoke or doing something beneficial or devious.

 

Neither can I.

 

Out of all of the lynchable candidates Nae or Kiv is the top two imo.

 

EDIT for Panda

 

I am suspicous of Far if that is worth anything, role fishing looks scummy and my gut is telling me she is scummy.

 

Speculation on Pandy for a few posts

 

I think either panda can turn a night action on the sender, absorb the action and use it for himself or something on that line.

 

If someone doesn't want to use an action they should just sit on it

 

On why Pandy is causing confusion:

 

He's Panda that is what he does

 

After I ask Dae to explain why Nae, Barm and Lavinya's play has not provided clues:

 

I agree wholeheartedly Kiv, after all in one of my previous posts I said those plus Far was really pinging my scumdar

 

(Yet he's still voting me at this point)

 

Exactly fifty percent accuracy is just a stab in the dark anyway, I can say I am fifty percent sure someone is mafia, that is irrelevant and very scummy. I believe Kivam is scummier however and that is why you don't have my vote rite now.

 

And now it is like you want to be lynched. Jester maybe?

 

Two posts on why not to vote for Rey.  Ignores that "Jester" is not on the role list

Quote from: Reyoru on February 01, 2010, 05:26:38 PM

Quote from: dragonsworn1991 on February 01, 2010, 05:25:42 PM

Exactly fifty percent accuracy is just a stab in the dark anyway, I can say I am fifty percent sure someone is mafia, that is irrelevant and very scummy. I believe Kivam is scummier however and that is why you don't have my vote rite now.

 

Did you read my last post?

 

If I miss scum, then lynch me.

 

I did and you are risking your game life on a fifty percent accurate reading, you are either to sure of yourself and you know you will get scum (Lynch a teammate) or you are taking a shot at hitting an innocent where you could then get yourself lynched, (Jester)

 

See where I am coming from

 

Not really dumb because he could be using it to try and confirm his innocence and lend weight to his vote. Only thing about that is he could be mafia and expected those results. But then surely someone in the town would have noticed it, and he had to realize the risk so he could be town.

 

And after all that, Rey stands a better chance of being scum then innocent, all that above was just for fun.

 

You are getting really defensive and you are making it sound like a 50% accurate finder is going to win the game for the town.

 

You are a little to eager to die Rey, and I will not oblige until I am sure you won't harm the town more in your passing.

 

Again with the Jester stuff

 

I also find it a little suspicious since Kiv suggested revealing roles and people has already he hasn't said something to the affect of. "Since a few people have already revealed I am the ...... now if the rest of you will follow suit we can narrow down who is who and get to scum hunting."

 

Really weak post here (I'd already agreed a mass reveal was a bad idea, and even when I suggested it, I had said nobody should reveal unless there was a group agreement).  I point that out, and he replies:

 

I felt like I was on a roll to.

 

Back to the drawing/planning board.

 

And Talmanes there may be no jester in the conventional sense, but knowing Wes he has added a few twists and a jester clause in a role is not to outlandish knowing how he loves his twists and turns.

 

Also Kiv I don't remember your post saying your numbers were wrong, I may of missed it, I will be doing a reread, of all of these pages. Fun!!!

 

Doesn't understand probability:

 

I disagree, because using that same logic if you choose a white marble which there are 15 out of 20 in that scenario and are told it is black, you have just cost yourself a white marble.

 

Now things are never that simple, because you have to factor in roles, some are more valuable than others and if Rey chooses a random "marble" and gets black and in fact the marble is white, and a very powerful role, then we have lost big.

 

Also if Rey chooses a black marble and get's a white reading then it is useless. A fifty percent finder is useless, the only thing they can do is be a vote on a lynch that might target a scum.

 

All this talk of marbles is causing me to lose mine Kiv.

 

After Barm points out I'm at L-2 and should reveal

 

I was going to say, I was going to suggest that but Barm beat me to it. It would make it to easy for scum to jump on the lynch, but dm wouldn't let me post because Barm and I would actually be in agreement.

 

After my reveal, and Alys' "vote Rey" post:

 

unvote and vote rey

 

This endless day is getting annoying, and I am analyzing your posts now Alys.  :D

 

With so many of us thinking Nae and Livanya are scum they pretty much have to be if not we are all not as good as we thought  :-\

 

Clumsiness after Rey dies, and the start of the contradictions:

 

Now Kivam's backing of him looks scummy.  

 

He elaborates:

 

Well your instantaneous belief in his role claim, and the backing him with your numbers and trying to overly validate him as more than just a stab in the dark finder, seems scummy to me.

 

and

 

Well Kivam I may have interpreted it wrong, but from what I saw anytime people wanted to lynch Rey you said we should keep him around and anyone he actually vies as being scum equates to being 66% accurate versus 50% accurate. I may be connecting too many dots but that is how I see it.

 

and:

 

Quote from: Barmacral on February 04, 2010, 01:29:05 AM

Quote from: LilyElizabeth on February 04, 2010, 01:23:37 AM

Barm, why are you sticking up for Kiv, exactly?

 

Because I agree with him about how clumsy DS's comments are.

 

Clumsy is usually in referendum to the wording of a statement so I am going to word this a little better.

 

I think Kivam is scum.

I think Barm is scum.

I think Nae is scum.

I think Lavinya is scum.

 

I have said the same thing and nothing has appeared to change my mind.

 

Skipping the night 1 spam, after Barm releases the Cromwell Approval and Lavinya asks if anyone is confused:

 

No I am to and I would like clarification, I just didn't want to be the first to ask.

 

Keep the votes up, I would hate to send us into night with no lynch. I have my suspicouns and Kiv and Barm still top the list.

 

Ed you are starting to ping my radar for following with no reason.

 

After I say its worth following Barm's lead:

 

Sounds like you want to lynch me pretty bad.  :-\

 

And no comment about my previous post?

 

I reply his previous post "dripped OMGUS and smelled of elderberries" and Pete misses the Monty Python reference:

 

How is it OMGUS when I was suspicious of you and Barm from the start.

 

And it wasn't elderberries it was a blackberry and strawberry fusion.

 

And I would hate for us not to get any information but I would rather live, so I may use it depending on if people bandwagon on me and what speed they do.

 

Well there are most likely three scum left and a symp, and a sk, and a cult. So any innocent down hurts the town, but my loss would not be detrimental, but if my bandwagon precedes then I will use my ability and become pretty much confirmed as an innocent. Then it will be night and we will have pretty much no information other then people on my lynch and what order they joined in on it.

 

And no I haven't.  ;)

I ask why using his ability will confirm him:

 

Because it is a townie role  :D .

 

Some discussion of his role

 

Then

 

So you have my word on it, but what is a word in a mafia game really? Nothing that's what.

 

But Kiv using your logic, shouldn't we go for someone who hasn't revealed in risk of lynching a revealed (Supposedly) innocent?  

 

Barm says the governor role is more useful as a mafia role:

 

Well you are Barm and our mod is DPR so that really isn't for you to decide.

 

The only reason I did that is because I saw how quick ed was to jump on the lynch without reasoning and I am busy tomorrow and I would rather not come back and do a reread to find out I have died.

 

If I am scum for wanting to stop a witch hunt on myself then so be it, I want to play this game and I want to help the town win.

 

Barm points out Pete is panicking, and he replies:

 

They haven't voted and they are just two out of 14 remaining and usually when a lynch gets around 5 to seven votes they are almost guaranteed to be lynched. And like I said I wouldn't be on much tomorrow and I wanted to give all the people who haven't posted for the day something to look at from my perspective.

 

Barm I haven't started witch hunting you I said I was suspicious of you, I haven't tried to build an elaborate case against you or justified a vote by posting some crazy picture and  stating off the wall logic, to try and vote you. I named my suspicion of you for just what it is a gut feeling.

 

The way you and Kivam are playing off each other is beautiful and elegantly done though.

 

(PURE OMGUS here)

 

Agreed Lavinya.

 

And Nae, you don't have nor will you get clarification from Barm for a few days, so you just nonchalantly throw a vote on me and cover it up with well he maybe the finder.

 

Nae in every game you play you always say never trust a finder 100% but now you throw a vote on me and no one has revealed as a finder.

 

Nae

 

Also Talya I have asked questions about my role and got some information but I don't want to say anything from a pm I got from DPR because he is rather particular.

 

Yeah it won't matter if I am voted to be lynched or not, I would just rather us get information then to go into the night blind.

 

Barm will say his findings are flawed. It is such an obvious ploy, I would assume he would use either 65% accurate or 85% accurate findings because he can't say 100% or he would be lynched.

 

Ed points out it would be ridiculous for Barm to false claim inaccurate finder after Rey just got lynched for doing the same, and Pete replies:

 

Maybe so, but you would be surprised what scum will do. They do things you think so newbish and unexperienced because they can explain it away as them being to experienced or whatever.

 

Now the "scum wants me dead" train of thought kicks in:

 

Well you won't get aywhere with a lynch on me today.

 

I would say I would be a nightkill target but I am an easy lynch for tomorrow, unless I am nightkilled and the mafia try and frame barm or kiv, unless barm and kiv are mafia (Which I think they are) then they will nk me and say someone is trying to frame them

 

You won't see anything until next game day if you attempt a lynch at me today. ;)

 

After Alys also points out that it would be insane for Barm and I to be scum teammates going after Pete:

 

There could be six depending on what roles and what limitations DPR gave the townies.

 

She points out 6 scum would be absurd, and he replies:

 

Exactly, but like I said, the townie roles are a good balance to that, Dpr could have made the townie roles a little more powerful than usual, or gave the mafia some restrictions, the mafia has already lost two players, and one was a complete newb and the other was semi-experienced. I find that interesting. Maybe Rey was a smokescreen for a couple of experienced mafia to help get lynched so they would escape scrutiny.

 

Kiv voted for me because he thought me suspicous. Barm posted a picture and something about a cromwell effect and he voted me, (I believe so it wouldn't be so obvious he was following after Kiv.) People thinks he must be finder because of it, but he can't be because I am innocent and him voting for me makes me think he is mafia. Ed bandwagoned with no reason and Nae went against her normal advocacy of not buying into a finder, all four used the same excuse as well we have two mafia down we can afford to lose an innocent, and basically everything after that has been bandwagoning at its finest

 

Quote from: Kivam on February 06, 2010, 07:28:09 PM

Quote from: Tigraine on February 05, 2010, 06:49:27 PM

I just find it amazing how fast people are jumping on this!  I'm not saying that it isn't true I'm just wondering that if Barm done this before, couldn't it just be a ploy to get everyone to believe him now?

Well, he hasn't used it as a ploy in any of the many games in the years since the last one . . . so I'd say that's unlikely

 

Reaffirming Barm's position as a potential finder

Quote from: Kivam on February 06, 2010, 07:31:40 PM

Quote from: Pale Merlot on February 05, 2010, 07:18:24 PM

Quote

I have to say, something has been bugging me about you, Pale. I don't know what... yet. But this post just sort of... makes it stronger.

I seem to have that affect on people ;D

 

Is there not some serious downside to killing someone of pete's role(if it's true) for the town?

 

Not really.  He has to use his role before the vote is finished; basically, its not like he can save us from lynching a power role after they're dead - especially since if he's a townie, he won't know any other innocents

 

And making me expendable.

 

So it looks like Barm and Kiv are working together.  :)

 

Now we get into the full on crazy:

 

Quote from: LilyElizabeth on February 07, 2010, 06:53:22 PM

I disagree and I think we have enough to go on here. Pete? Do you want my vote now?

 

And I don't THINK Pete is innocent. I KNOW he is. We never fool each other for long.

 

 

Lily we think so much alike and I have just about got all I need from this day so you can throw a vote on me if you got enough information, or any leads. I have been vocal about my suspicouns but I would suggest you keep yours locked down tight until you have everything formulated.  :-*

 

Glad to see it looks like we are on the same page.

Quote from: WWWwombat on February 07, 2010, 07:54:09 PM

That's a bold statement, Lily.  I still don't get Rey's play.

I wouldn't expect anything less from Lily, and I can easily tell you Rey's play Kiv. He isn't as experienced as you, or Barm so you decided to use him as cannon fodder to give you something to argue around so you could avoid suspicoun

 

Agrees with Pandy to activate his power (Nobody do that today, btw - he needs to be finderable)

 

Back to the full on crazy:

 

In my opinion I think Kiv planned Rey's reveal. Kiv backed Rey and said we should keep him around. I think they are a team and Kivam is mastermining some devious plot. I can see it unfolding.

 

It doesn't matter if you vote for me or not, we are going into night without a lynch.  ;)

 

[glow=red,2,300]Note that at this point on Day 2, he's still saying I wanted to keep Rey around[/glow]

 

A question about something I said to Lily, then

 

Kiv I am not contradicting myself, I am stating your plot as I see it spin out.

 

After I ask whether he thinks I wanted Rey dead:

 

Not publicly but that was your plan all along.

 

Note - the above post came at 11:52 PM - the post where he said I wanted to keep Rey around came at 11:13 pm.

 

And he elaborates:

 

I can sign it in blood if you want. I have no problem posting my convictions and beliefs. Rey was your sacrificial lamb which you and your scum team could build your innocence around. Kinda of like an epic gambit.

 

When I point out that I hadn't tried to "build my innocence" off of Rey:

 

No you haven't, nor would anyone expect you to say that, that is to out in the open for anyone especially you kiv and it would make finding the scum to easy.

 

It isn't so much as your language, but the way you applied your thinking and the direction you are trying to lead the town.

 

Refuses to answer my question about whether he thought I wanted Rey dead when he posted that I was backing Rey:

 

I believe you wanted Rey dead from the start. You wanted to make him a scapegoat for the mafia to hide behind.

 

Then:

 

Quote from: Kivam on February 08, 2010, 12:24:35 AM

Quote from: dragonsworn1991 on February 08, 2010, 12:13:35 AM

I believe you wanted Rey dead from the start. You wanted to make him a scapegoat for the mafia to hide behind.

 

Again, not my question.  We've already nailed down what you're now claiming.

 

Did you, at the time you made those earlier posts I quoted, actually believe I wanted Rey alive?  Or were you lying?

 

Not hard to answer, yet you keep refusing to.  Why is that, Dragonscum?

as a lawyer you know things are never as black and white as you are trying to make them there are shades of gray. I believe you wanted to keep him alive longe then you did but you always wanted him dead to set your plans into motion.

 

Why kiv have you decide. To start going after me after I told everyone I was sending the game into night? Why did you choose to ignore my other posts directed at you? Are you setting me up for a nk, that way you can say the scum is setting you up to be lynched? Or are you going guns blazin now that you know your scum partner barm doesn't have to claim anything now that we are goin into night?

 

OK, more to come

[Kivam]

Your vote doent coun lavinya I sent in the rollback already as soon as dpr is on then we are in night

 

More back and forth about my conversation with Lily, then:

 

So you want me to argue with you?

 

Well your not getting what you want this time Kivam, the town is clearly going to follow you wherever you point and anything I say, you are going to purposefully misinterpret it and post about it. So  ::)

 

Kiv I thought, and still think you are scum.

 

If I had called in to DPR that I would try and get you lynched, but I thought you were innocent I would retract that called shot. Because plans change and adapt. Players who don't adapt will get left behind in a game that is forever evolving. I am not petty enough to suable with someone I believe to be innocent only for a few points. Anyone who would risk there team winning is just an egocentric megalomaniac.

 

Pretty sure Pete called a shot on me

 

Spam, and then:

 

I think both of those are good synopsis's Nae, and none are throwing mud at me.

 

Hmmm, so other then Kivam attacking me, and me thinking he is scum and Barm posting a picture and voting for me what other evidence do you have that I could be scum?

 

I never said Panda wasn't innocent. I actually think he is.

 

I am still slightly suspicious of Nae, for going against her traditional views, but I am more suspicious of Kiv then anyone.

 

More spam, and then:

 

Quote from: WWWwombat on February 09, 2010, 07:05:57 PM

We pretty much already knew there was a psycho so unless someone counterclaims I believe Barm.  Kivam's roleclaim on the other hand, I am unsure of.

I was just thinking about that.

 

I don't see dpr putting two sks in the game, which an arsonist, and psycho basically are. I think either Kiv or Barm is lying, and I am leaning more towards Kiv.

 

Votes me (Yet again)

 

On Pale's night 2 target:

 

I think he isn't saying, because the mafia could target that person and they would die anyway, or they could target someone else and get two kills instead of one.

 

Or at least that is how I understood his post. It is really weak reasoning but it is something I can understand.

 

You actually followed my train of thought that time.  :D

 

And what if the second person is of = importance as Barm? Who do we sacrifice, our delayed vig or two roles that are of equal importance?

 

Asks for a case, and lazy ass FDM says she won't because he's had too many posts, leaving some other intrepid hero to handle it.  ;D

 

After FDM suggests Pale targeted me:

 

I was thinking the same thing Far and you beat me to it.

 

And I will wait, and good luck on your homework.

 

I ask if he now believes my role claim:

 

Nope kiv, if I did I wouldn't have my vote on you.

 

But I was just saying on the off chance you are telling the truth, then that would be ironic, for Pale to target you also.

 

I was just noticing that Tynaal was either killed by the SK or the Psycho. In DPR's OP she was torn apart, ad everyone else was either killed or lynched.

 

It still has her down for just killed on the OP though.

 

And that's it

 

 

[Kivam]

After all of this - Pete is still the scummiest.  Was on my Day 1 bandwagon (which I'm sure held at least a couple of scum), the weird back and forth with Barm day 1, the contradictions in his argument for voting me, and the fact that he's been relentlessly voting me (regardless of available info) makes me believe he's scum.

 

That said - we know he's not our Psycho/Serial Killer.  Perhaps we should choose someone who has not role revealed yet, to narrow down Barm's hunt?  Among that group, I'd take [glow=red,2,300]Dae[/glow]; he's disappeared, and has been moderately suspicious to boot, plus he was on my bandwagon as well.  I'm open to Hybrid, Lia, Lavinya or Talya, too.

[Kivam]

And, just a reminder - Pale, you need to identify your second target.

[Hybrid]

Hm.

 

Pale reveals completely unprompted that he's targeted two people to die.  That in itself is innocent to me, because it sounds like he's realized he's made a mistake.  At the same time, he hasn't yet revealed his second target, which could screw us over.  He could be a serial killer and trying to hide in plain sight, but why put the spotlight on yourself?

 

A reread is in order for me, I think.

[DPR]

 

A quick note to say that Kivam and Far have absolutely made my day by casing. I love the smell of cases in the morning, it reminds me of the old days...

 

Now, get back to voting. I'm still considering a time limit...

[Talya]

Out of those cased, Lia and Dae look tyhe scummiest to me. and I'm still suspicious of Far. I can't case and I won't (don't have enough time for starters), but I will say thanks to those that do, they do help. though the comments inbetween are a little tainted with their own thoughts ;)

 

I'm going to go with [glow=red,2,300]Lia[/glow]

[Kivam]

Hybrid, Pale is clearly innocent, because he's volunteered to die in place of Barm tonight or the next guy tomorrow (if its the cop or the doc)

 

Of course, if he refuses to release that second name or doesn't keep his word, then he's obvious scum and we lynch him

[a pale tanned lover]

I didn't make a mistake with my role.....i made use of it.....having to choose someone too die two days beforehand.....is...........interesting....has anyone ever had too play the same kind of role before for the town??

he's volunteered to die in place of Barm tonight or the next guy tomorrow (if its the cop or the doc)/quote]

Those weren't exactly my words  :P

 

Anyway now that i got your attention...........I chose Lavinya :-*

 

 

[a pale tanned lover]

Sorry about the messed up post guys

[Kivam]

I didn't make a mistake with my role.....i made use of it.....having to choose someone too die two days beforehand.....is...........interesting....has anyone ever had too play the same kind of role before for the town??

 

Pale, your mistake with your role was making use of it. its essentially a vig role, with some added fillips.  I've played that role before.  You don't use it unless you have a much better read on who is who.  You've got a bunch of experienced players telling you as much; if you don't trust us, PM Verbal and ask him, as a general rule of mafia, if a townie vig should kill every night.  He'll tell you the same as we are.

 

he's volunteered to die in place of Barm tonight or the next guy tomorrow (if its the cop or the doc)

Those weren't exactly my words  :P

 

OK, well . . . let me make this easy for you.  If Lavinya doesn't claim as the cop or doc, and you let Barm die tonight, we will lynch you tomorrow.

 

Anyway now that i got your attention...........I chose Lavinya :-*

 

OK.  Lavinya - do not reveal your role unless you are the cop or the doc.  If you are the cop, reveal and tell us who you investigated each night.  If you're the doc, reveal and tell us who you protected each night.

[Kivam]

Oh, and Lavinya, when you get here, if you aren't going to reveal as the cop or doc, please say so in your first post, so we're not left waiting and wondering.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

I have a question that I think we all need to think on.

 

Going back to Rey.

 

He role revealed a role for no apparent reason. To my memory he had been under no pressure. The role he revealed was pretty much useless to top it all off. He had to know that someone would most likely counter claim, or something, so why do it in the first place? I can't figure it out. Someone had to be behind him telling him to do something like that, but who, and what could they hope to gain out of the situation?

[Lavinya]

Quick post because i'm on mobile, i'm not the cop or doc. Not going to reveal at this point, for obvious reasons.

[LilyElizabeth]

Lily, I'm doing homework right now, if I get a chance tonight I will work on it, but I will be honest with you and tell you that I've got Daetirion, Hybrid, and Lia lined up before you. I always case the quiet ones first.  :)

 

I understand that, hon. But I don't want to die on my vacation, which is Thursday thru Monday. I need a chance to reveal if necessary, okay? And then you all can decide if I'm telling the truth, lying, or not important enough to save. Is that fair?

 

And I'm still reading through the five pages I logged on to find. Kivam, I'll be honest, so far, I think I may have figured out what you're NOT saying. If so, boy did I misjudge you!

 

[LilyElizabeth]

Kiv, you're either very good scum or very good..... something else. I wish I could decide which. I do agree with you on one thing. IF Barm dies tonight and IF he is what he said he was, Pale gets my vote tomorrow, too.

 

That's really all I've got for now. Wes is right, though. We need to get with it here. So, in the interest of moving forward, I'll vote [glow=red,2,300]Dae[/glow] for now, too. I'll check in once tomorrow, at least, before I leave on my trip.

 

Crap! Lily, get it right!

 

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote

Vote Dae[/glow]

 

 

 

[Kivam]

Quick post because i'm on mobile, i'm not the cop or doc. Not going to reveal at this point, for obvious reasons.

 

Ok.  Thanks for taking one for the team.

 

So . . . here's where we're at right now.

 

Known innocents:

 

Lavinya (has just signed her own death warrant by refusing to false-claim, clearly not scum)

Pale (going to die for Barm tonight, clearly not scum) (note: clearly is scum if alive tomorrow, but for today's vote, we have to assume he's a townie)

 

100% ironclad guaranteed innocent (Kivam stamp of approval):

Kivam

Lily

FDM

 

That's 5 of the 15 living players.  Barm makes 6.  Barm said he viewed Wombat and Pale - since our primary goal right now needs to be the elimination of the serial killer, lets exclude Wombat from the pool of lynch targets for today (note - if the cop views Barm and Barm is scum, Wombat goes higher on the suspect list).  Pete is confirmed as the governor (or at least scum teammate of the governor, if I'm indulging my suspicious side), so he cannot be the serial killer.  Exclude him as well. 

 

Pandy is unlikely to be our serial, either, as he claimed Evangelist very early (getting counterclaimed would be a huge risk).  Whether he's scum or not is a separate question, but for now, if our goal is to eliminate a night kill, strike him from the list as well.

 

That leaves a pool of 6 lynch candidates:

 

Ed

Lia

Hybrid

Nae

Talya

Dae

 

If we eliminate one of those 6, and he's telling the truth, Barm should have a 20% chance of finding the serial killer tonight. 

 

The vote count at the moment is:

 

Kivam (1) - Pete

Dae (2) - Kivam, Lily

Lia (1) - Talya

 

Remember, all lynch candidates must be given the option of role-claiming before they are hammered.  But with that in mind, let's lynch someone!

[Far Dareis Mai]

Lily, I'm not going to vote you right now when we've got a lot more obvious candidates. You don't need to worry on my account. The fact that I am one of the few that find's you suspect is my problem, and since Kivam says he's 100% sure you are innocent, and I feel 100% sure he is innocent, I'm going to trust in him.